Real Time (Live) Usage

Hi,
Would the Air Loom synth support real time or live usage? I'd like to use it on my violin, and input my live or real time violin into it to totally morph the sound.

Does it support that type of usage?

I use the Cantabile vst host software for vst plugins to provide effects, so I would add it in there - if it works real time.

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  • All of our instruments can be used for live performance :)
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  • Really???? - So I can take an analog input like a guitar signal, real time, and then morph it real time with Air Loom???

    [forgive me for the skepticism here, but all of the videos seem targeted to like DJs, or beat/loop makers as opposed to real time]
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  • Hello, to confirm these are instruments not signal processors, sorry it would seem, I have misunderstood your original question.  It sounds like our AIR FX products are best suited for your needs.
    • Hi Simon. First, Thanks for your help. I looked at the Air Fx, but those aren't what I want. I have similar fx by the boat loads....... what I don't have is something that TRULY morphs my sound. That's I want. In order to morph my sound, I want to add and subtract out harmonics and sub harmonics and overtones. And I want to do that morphing live.
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  • One more question -- very important question - I want to use this for playing lead, playing single notes. Now suppose AT HOME - I set up or create the synth effects for an A 440Hz note. If I then play a D note (585 Hz), and I apply the exact same synth effects, will I get the same or corresponding results?

    [I'm excited to try this thing out]
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  • I could not find an answer to one of the original questions ("So I can take an analog input like a guitar signal, real time, and then morph it real time with Air Loom??? ") in any of the replies. Would you please clarify - yes or no?
    If the answer is no, would you please explain what are the audio inputs for?
    Thank you in advance for your help.
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  • Hi Bill R.,

    Thanks for your reply.
    Yes, I had understood that much from the other submissions in this thread. So, I take it as a "no" to my first question.
    But my second question remains unanswered (what are the audio inputs for?). This is not a support question, really - this is information that should be in the manual (or guide) and isn't.

    Thanks anyway.

    Cheers
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  • No, Loom is a virtual instrument, not an FX processor. VST instruments take a MIDI input and generate sounds with an oscillator or a sample, then process them with envelopes. filters, LFO's, and effects. No audio input is typically used.

    You are probably thinking of a vocoder style effect. There have been several synths that provided audio input processing, but I don't see this input offered on Loom.

    The most current plugin that I'm aware of for this purpose is SONiVOX Vocalizer Pro http://sonivoxmi.com/products/details...

    Overview:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utI8d...
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  • Hi John,

    Thank you for your reply.

    Yes, I understand all you are saying - I have been using music software and hardware for a long time. But my question was "what are the audio inputs for?". And why was I asking this? You say you "don't see this input offered on Loom", but when you run Loom VST in, say, VST Host, two audio inputs are detected - hence my question...

    Now, having said all this, I have just noticed that ALL my AIR plugins - instruments and processors alike - exhibit audio inputs. This does not happen with VST instruments from other software houses, unless they allow external signals to be processed internally. So I take it this is just some harmless programming quirk and I will not think about it any more!

    Just one more thing: judging by the quality of the "Emotion Matters" patch, Loom would make a superb vocoder! (Hint, hint, Air Music Technology...)

    Cheers!
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  • I have VSTHost also, and I agree, it's probably just a VST programming quirk that shows two useless inputs. I use VSTHost and Reaper to test plugins due to their capability to route anywhere. My main DAW is fussy and expects instrument tracks to only have MIDI inputs, and expects audio inputs to only work on audio effects.

    I have TimewARP2600, which does show inputs that can be picked up at the synth preamp gain stage and patched to the VCA, VCF etc. The TX16Wx soft sampler does live sampling and also has live audio inputs. SynthMaster also has a vocoder feature that uses audio input as a modulator.

    But bottom line I think Loom is a very cool synthesizer. Did you try dropping a different wav file into the "Emotion Matters" wave module? You can insert any sample from your collection, or one that you have recorded, in there. It's not live, but it's still cool :-)

    As far as live vocoders go, I really like the SONiVOX Vocalizer Pro (AIR and SONiVOX are owned by the same company now). It is designed to re-synthesize any live or recorded audio sources. The guy who designed it as head of the Nemesynth R&D group is the co-developer of the first virtual instrument, and has several DSP patents to his name. https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimvanbus...
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  • I am not too fond of Vocalizer Pro as a vocoder. It's probably a very competent synth/modifier/morpher, for voice and other sources, but if you want a great sounding vocoder, without a lot of fuss, you'd be better off with NI Razor (requires Reaktor 5), Melda MVocoder (does not have its own synth) or even the very simple Waves Morphoder (instant gratification with this one).

    Again, it seems to me that AIR could easily produce an excellent vocoder using the same technology they used in Loom. How difficult can it be to allow an external signal as an additional modulation source, which could be selected instead of the internal sample player? I, for one, would definitely buy, it! The reason not to do it is probably political or commercial, rather than technical.

    Anyway, there's plenty of good stuff out there - some of it at ridiculous low prices or even free! So let's have fun!

    Cheers!
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  • I have all of the AIR instruments in VST format. Awesome instruments and great value for the price! AIR really worked overtime to provide playable presets with these instruments. The smart macro knobs approach gives a lot of real-time performance control. They are all excellent examples and a good starting point for further customization and sound design. I was saving up for NI Komplete, but no hurry now, LOL!

    Loom is special. My first contact with additive synthesis, and I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. In addition to SynthMaster, I believe that Loom, Hybrid, and Vacuum Pro are my new favorite toys.

    I like your suggestion for AIR to enhance the Loom, but I wonder how much inMusic will invest in further development for these products. They have quite a collection of companies since they have picked up Alesis, AKAI, SONiVOX, AIR, M-Audio, and others.

    The last updates for most of these softsynths was years ago. I'm happy with what I have, but concerned for the future development of these products.

    Anyway, have fun and make music!
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