[MPC Live] Ability to assign Midi channel and input port or controller to specific tracks

Currently if you connect MIDI keyboard via MIDI ports or USB, it will play the active track you have selected. And it's the same track you are playing with MPC's pads. It would be a great feature to assign MIDI keyboard to other track and play it as multi timbral synth. So for example you can play drums or clips with the pads on currently selected track and some melodies with your MIDI keyboard on another track, which is listening only to say channel 1 from USB MIDI controller.
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  • 2
    waiting for this to happen, along with sidechain, stereo reverb (i was shocked it was not the case), parameter locks...and please vocoder/autotune FX
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    • To be fair the mpc live is much more useful than the deluge, I wanted to get a deluge because they are a new Zealand company and I wanted to support them, but the deluge can't take midi files, or at least, it couldn't when I bought my live.

      The mpc synth is Handy for sure, but yeah, I'll only be using it as a place holder for a real synth.
    • I know a lot of people have piled on this, but yes, we really need multitimbral input. This is really crippling.
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    This definitely seems like low hanging fruit... I just got my MPC X, and spent a bunch of time searching for where to set MIDI input channels / MIDI filtering, convinced there must be a way... but it seems there is not. Please add this!!
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    Yea man, we all feel the same about this subject. I feel like I have been lead astray!
    How do you have no real MIDI implementation on a MIDI Production Center!
    Ohh excuse me, it was renamed to Music Production Center!
    I guess this is where they decided to take the MIDI out of the equation!!
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    Can somebody please tell me why there are TWO midi ins on this machine if it only receives MIDI on ONE channel?
    • Welcome to the party. I summon Nick D. of the AKAI dimension to answer for your companies transgressions.

      Me now channeling Nick D:

      “Thanks for posting!

      I would definitely like to see multi-timbral input added to the MPC workflow. MIDI programs will allow you to send MIDI data out on multiple channels to hardware but MPC will currently receive all incoming MIDI on all channels and apply it to the currently selected program.

      I will update the community if I receive any additional information about inputting MIDI on multiple channels. Thank you!”
    • fingers crossed...
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    Yeah, I had a MPC 2000XL about twenty years ago that was MIDI multi-timbral.. When I purchased the MPC X a couple weeks ago, I just assumed that it was multi-timbral... Didn't even bother to look into that. That is such a key aspect to the MPC family line / functionality. Really hope they are devoting all available resources to implementing this. The workflow for connecting with multiple outboard synths / drum machines / other MIDI devices is seriously hampered without Multi-Timbral MIDI I/O support.
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    Full midi implementation would be great, but at the very least I would expect to be able to assign a controller that I've connected via USB to a specific track per sequence.

    I Love that the LIve/X can act as a USB midi host, but It's very frustrating that I can't assign it to a specific track to play melodies, and then select/focus on other tracks to trigger sounds with the onboard drum pads/controls.
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    Yes I was thinking something similar, like having the chance to lock an external keyboard to a plugin track in standalone would allow us to play a synth plugin everytime, even if we switch to another track.
    That would be like having a separated synth.
    It would be very handy in my opinion
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    I just want to use the MPC X as a traditional sampler and control it from my Cirklon hardware sequencer as literally nobody makes a pro midi hardware sampler anymore.
    As cool as the MPC sequencer is, it's absolutely no match for the Cirklon, which is approximately 39 times better.
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    It is possible to map a lot of Encoder and fader to whatever - that’s cool to enhance the “live” possibilities to get a lot of direct access.


    BUT, after a major update still a midi-mess for live playing AND as a production center!


    I really don’t get it, why akai don’t want to implement it....




    Edit:
    ..and to store the midi mappings external or as default..
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    Think this is a great idea if the MPC Live is genuinely meant to be the heart of your setup. It would be better however if it went beyond multi-timbral input and become a simple midi router that allowed you to set the channel and note in and a different one for the midi out if required, either internal or external. (Individual pads with different notes/channels in the same program would be good.)

    As an example I use the MPC to drive my modular as well as samples. I have an OP Z that I can hook up wirelessly to the MPC which is fantastic for building ideas on the move except that instead of 8 channels of sequencing I get 1....
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  • Im guessing they F**ked up the hardware big time, otherwise it would have been in there by now surely.
    I think in the history of hardware this has to be the biggest omission ever, I think because its such a great machine in other departments they have got away with it until now.
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    I'm pretty sure any multitimbral MIDI development constraints would be in the firmware/programming layer, not hardware. They should be able to add it. I hope they prioritize it over other developments in the pipeline. In hindsight, I wouldn't have bought the X, and gone instead with the Elektron route... I should have researched it better... just assumed it was MIDI multitimbral, since my 2000xl was, twenty years ago. For now I'm gonna hold my X, as it seems like a great kit otherwise, and just keep fingers crossed for some news on this soon.
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    This is absolutely essential for such a device.

    As well as being able to assign different MIDI controllers/channels to different instruments/Programs, hopefully this improvement will also allow using Program Changes on different channels for different purposes e.g., Ch1 PCs = Sequences, Ch2 = Programs and channel-specific MIDI mappings, which I don't think are possible yet.
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    how long has this been under consideration ? seriously !! i have 9 hardware synths but can only play one track at a time.
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  • I’m frustrated
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    I can not believe that the MPC Live does not allow me to choose a specific midi channel for the input. This is absolutely essential. I can't integrate it in anything if it's always reacting to everything that happens across all midi channels. Not even in a simple setup, trying to play both the Yamaha Reface CP, and the MPC LIve via seperate midichannels from an M-audio Code 61.

    I've been saving for a long time, and I just bought my MPC and this absolutely destroys the possibility of me using it, in a practical way, in a live-setup.

    Please, please, please fix this. Omni-mode only is killing me!
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    Its getting there it seem, just very slowly. There a few simple thing that are not that hard to implement that should be implemented e.g. multitimbral midi input.

    Its frustrating if you shell out a huge sum of cash and something basic like this does not work and then 6 months later, still not there and its kinda needed for you setup and workflow.

    The new additions of autosampler and built in synths are a big update, be nice if the team double back and implement a few of these simpler things.
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  • Don't worry they will have a new product out soon and it will have multi-timbrality.
    It won't matter that you wasted your money on an incomplete product, just buy the new one!
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    Are the MIDI in Ports Independant of each other or combined
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    • I want to control it with an external sequencer (Sequentix Cirklon) like I can EVERY other sampler EVER made, this was the first multitimbral sampler to not have that facility, its tragic.
    • Yup! Me too. Exactly
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    The eagle eyed will notice that you can select midi channels on plugins. Surely this can be brought into the rest of the machine?? Be very surprised if it doesn't pop up eventually
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    Akai. Where is our update? People are starting to band together for lawsuits. This is absurd. At least make a comment.
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  • I’m confused
    I got my MPC live just after the 2.3 update and when searching this forum and multiple others I feel bad that many of you waited for some of the software additions that were put in. Coming from my point of view, I am happy with that which is currently offered, with hopes for some adjustments, this one included. It sucks that many of you have been waiting 18+ months for a lot of seemingly simple, important and overlooked featured that most would deem important or mission critical.(especially assigning midi devices to tracks so 2 people can play, for instance) The reason I bought my MPC live was for hopes that I could ditch my Maschines(I have all of them) and make music on the go. I also have a Korg Electribe 2, and I can use Multitimbral midi with that(assign a channel from my Yamaha Reface DX, and continue to make a beat on the pads from the Korg) This seems to me like it should have been included out of the box, especially if you're going to advertise 2 USB-in for MIDI and 2 MIDI ports. It kind of seems mental that this isnt there and I wish I would have read up on it more before my purchase, it just seemed so obvious. I understand that devs are working hard on other new hardware but please spend some more time on the products that people have already paid so much money for!

    P.S. I'm a SW Dev if you guys are looking for some assistance :p
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  • I’m Nervous
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    They did just announce this...

    However nothing was mentioned about better midi implementation, so I'm getting very nervous it's not coming.
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    Come on Akai.. This WILL bring you more sales!!! Do it for that, if not for reason!
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  • 3
    I can't play a drum kit with one hand on the MPC Live while using a midi keyboard with the other nand to play an instrument keygroup or Tubesynth!!?

    This is crazy, please fix this. This is basic functionality.
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    I have actually develop a turnaround that works pretty great for that problem. I am turning everything into a big keygroup. On the lower octaves (-2, -1) I am putting the samples I wanna play with the pads in a separate keygroup for each sample with Key Tracking disabled. I am then using normal key tracked key groups for the note I’ll play in my first midi keyboatd and I am after using the higher two octaves the same way I do with the samples but with note I sampled for each key to be able to play a lead with another smaller midi keyboard. That way I can sample my hardware synth and work with the MPC for live shows and I can even layer sounds with the built in layering system.
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  • Thanks Jeremy. I appreciate the tip. That is a serviceable workaround but take a lot of extra work and doesn't allow me the freedom then easily choose a new synth sound. This really needs to be fixed. I just got my MPC in December, and am already surprised and frustrated with some of these limitations. I feel for those working with this for more than a year now.

    I won't be making any workaround programs until after we see what comes out in 2.4. Fingers crossed.
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  • I’m akai robbed us all...
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    this post from @Elektrobolt on mpc-forums clearly highlights the inconsistency from akai ...

    " Go to akaipro.com and open the manual for MPC 5000. It clearly has a section explaining how to enable the 5k as a multi timbral sound module. I don't know if the link will work, page 203: https://www.akaipro.com/amfile/file/d... "

    get it together akai
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  • The 4000 also has a whole section on it. See the manual of the 4000 page 78(midi mode) as a requirements document and page 132 for the multi timbral mode. The 4000's implementation seems a lot better then the 5000 from looking at the manuals. Id rather have Akai use the 4000's implementation as a guide. Its much more feature complete with midi filters, and better routing it seems.
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  • Just curious if anybody with a force can go to the downloads page and see if the 2.4
    update says MPC Live/X/Force? similar to the 2.3 update saying MPC Live/X? Maybe we can get a sneak peak at the FW ;)
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  • I’m frustrated
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    Just another similar comment on the pile, but locking a particular MIDI input to a track is essential.

    Even just being able to lock a MIDI input to a particular MIDI track or output channel would be very useful to control external hardware.

    I really love many things about the Mpc Live, but this limitation really hinders the usefulness of the device and makes me seriously consider alternatives from other companies.
    • Yes, having had the live for a couple months, it has gotten me back into music production (well messing around for now). I love that I can sit on the couch or in bed and use it with headphones. As a 'musical sketch pad' it's awesome. However, I was hoping for a complete standalone music workstation. The live is limited in it's inputs, both as a DAW and as a live performance device. I bought a korg nanokey studio to extend functionality. However, this midi channel limitation limits how much you can extend the inputs. I am still wondering how much I should buy in (time wise, and if I'll later puchase an MPC x) to the platform. I need an all-in-one I can master and feel confident I'm investing that time( to master) into something that can support my needs. The updates this has gotten so far are amazing. It feels like Akaipro is committed. But.... There are some basic functionality that they seem to be ignoring, or are impossible to implement on the platform. I'm new to MPC, but the fact that this functionality was in former flagship mpcs, makes me wonder if Akai is committed to the MPC philosophy and workflow. The introduction of the force just adds to this wonder. Akai, please preserve the legacy of MPC and enable these needed features. If you can keep the needed features, you'll find customer loyalty in purchasing new products. Once I've committed hundreds and thousands of hours to the MPC to master it, I'll definitely be buying the new improved MPC Live two, or whatever is next. But the question I'm still working out, is this the platform I'm going to master?

      For reference, I started out writing music using Madtracker 2. I mastered that software and then it died. Then I moved on to Ableton Live. Ableton live is very powerful and I used an apc40 mk1. I became proficient with live, but, with limited time, hated being tied to a computer and wanted a mouseless way to work. I bought a machine mk1 and never really completed a song, as a drum pad it was good, but it wasn't a good all-in-one solution. After several years of not touching music, I purchased the MPC live thinking, this will be my box. I will now master this one tool like I did with Madtracker, and updates, computer crashes, vsts, drivers, soundcards will not get in the way. So far it looks like it might work. I can work around memory issues (slicing up 45 minute samples). But this midi thing is so important to using the MPC live as more than a sketch pad. ADEQUATE LIVE PERFORMANCE ABSOLUTELY REQUIRES MULTI-CHANNEL MIDI. On top of this, why implement things like wireless midi over Bluetooth (which is awesome) but not standard midi features?
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    I posted this on FB, but thought I might post it here too, as it seems some people don't understand what this is all about:

    There are two main crowds who have traditionally been MPC customers: A. Hip-hop / beat producers B. People who use MPC as centerpiece with Multiple Outboards Synths and MIDI units for real-time live looping and performance. (I personally fall into both categories) Multi-timbral MIDI I/O allows several workflow improvements, mostly for the group B:

    1. You can have multiple MIDI controller keyboards to play multiple parts on the MPC sound engine simultaneously... ie: pad/rhythm along with a separate lead part.

    2. You can also setup multiple outboard synthesizers or other hardware instruments to each record and playback to separate MIDI channels, allowing you to quickly switch between the instruments in a live setting / MIDI loop recording, while having each instrument recording to the correct tracks/channels, and playing back on the right instrument... This is vital to anyone who wants to do live sequencing / midi loop recording.

    3. Also, with any outboard multi-timbral synth/sampler hardware, you can assign tracks to play specific parts/channels on the external hardware.

    It has historically been one of the key features of the MPC product line, and for anyone hoping to use the MPC as a centerpiece of a hardware setup, its a key requirement. MPC actually used to stand for "MIDI Production Center". For some reason, they have overlooked it for the current product, but there's a lot of people who are waiting patiently for a firmware update that will address this. I personally bought the X, just assuming it was MIDI multi-timbral, since I've owned several other MPCs through the years, going back 20 years ago to the 2000xl... and they all have had selectable MIDI i/o channels for tracks. For now I'm holding on to the X, as its a great kit otherwise and works well for general beat production, but I may sell and go with something from Elektron if we don't get some news on this soon.

    Also, this MPC with 1.3 has really poor MIDI clock performance and is basically useless as a master MIDI clock if you're trying to slave other "timing sensitive" units to it (ie: external loopers, external sequencers)
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    • Yup, I've got a RC-505 as well!... same exact issue... so I'm using RC-505 as master clock too... but that's a horrible workaround as the MPC should be the centerpiece of the setup. It introduces a bunch of crappy workflow issues by not being able to be the Master clock.
    • yeah, every song a new preset, with its own bpm and a prerecorded guidetrack... At least, that's my workaround. Pretty limiting though.
      Do you deal with it the same way?
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    Hey Nick D.
    Some kind of update on the status of this feature request would be REALLY appreciated right now...
    Like, dude, like, you know? This has been at the top of the feature request list for yonks.
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    Firstly... Akai thanks for the 2.4 update lots of exciting things there!

    Also looks like the Force F/W is updated too, and the download page has a manual.
    https://www.akaipro.com/amfile/file/d...

    Check out page 57, does Force support multi-timbral midi???
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    we have been asking for this 'feature' (I want to call it a standard, as it used to be) since the LIVE/X came out. a few big releases have come out and they have added all kinds of stuff but we have heard nothing but crickets on this.

    it looks like to me that AKAI is more concerned with adding features to the software that attract more NEW customers than with what existing (ie already spent their money) customers want. things like plugs that work in standalone (even though they aren't the greatest plugins) are much easier to market to prospective customers.

    I bought the LIVE when it 1st came out, replacing my MPC1000(which I wish I had kept) and when I found out it was missing multi-timbral I was upset but figured that it was pretty important and users where asking for it so it was a no-brainer for AKAI to add it in soon. I had a lot of hope with 2.2, a little hope with 2.3, but with 2.4 and this new Force (which appears to have it) I have lost faith in AKAI and have given up.

    sorry guys but it should just be apparent by now AKAI doesn't care about what the existing user base wants in what they have already paid for. Lesson learned. Don't assume a product has features just cause you think it should and don't assume that they will add features if enough people ask for it. The executives make decisions based on what they think will make people buy their product not based on what the users that already own it want it to do.
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    • its a disgrace ... very unhappy
    • I'm with you on starting a campaign to let potential buyers beware. I've read a few other posts in the past about Akai abandoning their own half-baked products and ignoring their user base. Still, I was optimistic that they would get the MPC right as it is their baby. My optimism was misplaced - this company is a disgrace.
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    Nick D (Employee) 1 month ago
    Hey Seker,

    Thanks for posting!

    Outside of the MPC Software, the MPC's MIDI ports are combined into one port. The image below shows how a computer will see the MPC's USB MIDI, MIDI In, and MIDI Out ports:

    • There are still 2 separate usb ports that can recognize midi note values though on top of this, and again -- even if I had one device connected over ONE midi port, as long as that device can use different channels (i.e. a synth with a sequencer set to midi channel 1, while having the keyboard on that same synth set to midi channel 2) it becomes a software issue with the receiving device (in this case the MPC live/X) not being able to differentiate between the two channels.

      Here is also a crazy thing I discovered.

      I was able to plug in an external midi controller and hold a chord on it, triggering a plugin synth on the live as usual. However, if you keep the chord on the midi controller held while you switch to a new track with a different program -- it will not only allow me to still hear the chord being held on the previous track and program, but will allow me to play the new program with the pads. So I can actually hear both at the same time. And get this -- once I release the keys controlling the (now unselected) program, the live recognizes I released and stops playing the notes. But when I try and start playing the midi controller again, it will now only play the selected program.

      So basically this proves that it should be possible to implement. It's just up AKAI to actually enforce development of being able to live monitor multiple tracks and separate incoming midi channels to specific individual tracks. Ugh.
    • The issue isn't the ports being merged, it's the inability to route midi channels to specific programs.

      Use case scenario: Set specific program(lead) or track to respond to midi input on channel 5. Send signals from midi-controller on channel 5. Now when I have a program selected that is not the lead, (drum program) I can still play the lead with my midi-controller because they are both using midi channel 5 exclusively. I can also play the selected drum program using the 16 pads.
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  • I’m dumbfounded
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    Also, the live definitely recognizes the different midi channel inputs. However, it just chooses to ignore and do nothing with that data. You can see this by plugging two external midi keyboards set to different channels into either usb port and/or either of the 5 pin-in ports, then go to the midi inspector screen on the live.
    Clear it, and start pressing and releasing keys on both controllers. You will see it can indeed distinguish the different channels.

    *sigh* so close to being able to work, yet so far apparently.
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  • Has anyone gotten their hands on a Force yet and proven whether programs will read midi data by channel, rather than input? And also allow input monitoring for multiple tracks simultaneously?
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    I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't on the Force either, terrible disgrace if its the case.
    We really need an official word on this, Nick, can you reply to us please?
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    I come back to this topic every few weeks/months but never post as its all been said before. I really hoped that bringing out the force would be a good chance to see this get fixed across the board. Well...I guess I was wrong. New toys like sidechaining are nice but when you leave this core issue out I have no idea why you bother with something like side chaining. Stupid use of resources based on stupid priorities.
    • Yeah well the two biggest issues that needed to be fixed was the midi and the side chain issue. Certainly certain types of dance music sound couldn't be produced without the side chain like house music genres like edm and trance and anything with that pumping sound. The side chain is welcome, but for those whom imaging the mpc is the centrepiece of their hardware setup are still left dissapointed things can't be configured in a logical way. Such a simple thing to implement too.
    • You can achieve the side chain ducking effect without having a dedicated sidechain tool. Its just that maybe some producers don't understand how so they think a dedicated sidechain tool is an absolute necessity. Just nudging the bass notes and adjusting the attack/velocties/amp env so the note isn't hitting at the attack of the thing you want to duck is a huge start. It really wasn't needed as badly as this midi issue imo. With that said the mother ducker actually works very well as a sidechain tool and in most applications its a much quicker solution then using manual techniques. They did a good job there. But yeah we really need this midi sorted or at least tell us its being worked on.
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    +1. Purchased today after reading multiple reviews and an hour after getting it home and discovering it doesnt have f*cking basic midi implementation it’s going right back on the shelf at guitar centre tomorrow.

    What a ridiculous con.

    Never buying an MPC again, this was my fourth and last.
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  • My MPC LIVE has now 4 MIDI out ports A, B, + C, D with a modified external USB Midi interface. HOWEVER, It would be so much smarter if external MIDI USB interfaces were directly recognized by the MPC Live !
    http://gsfn.us/t/5501d
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    Yet another firmware update, and damn Akai STILL hasn't addressed the MIDI problem ! Everybody on here has been pretty nice, taking the time to make thoughtful suggestions for the developers, but the "developers" don't seem to listen. I've had the Live a year now, following this thread, quietly and patiently watching and waiting for AKAI to fix this basic deficiency. We seem to get nothing from Akai on this subject - as far as I can tell, these bastards haven't even had the decency to acknowledge this problem ! How many decades have they been in this business, and they can't get this right on their own MPC ? All those MIDI ports are just for decoration ? They have the audacity to use the verbiage "centerpiece of your rig" in their promotions ? Correct me if I've wrong on any of this, as next week I will go on to Amazon and YouTube any other site I can get on to to share my disappointment with company and product. I hate to take the low road like this , but it's been a long damn time now and Akai have left us no other avenue of redress.
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    When I sent in a ticket for this to support below is the reply I got. I even linked this thread in ticket the so they could understand. Absolutely clueless at Akai Support... Like WTF!?? And I sent back a reply to have them study the ticket again and get back to me. They never replied back. The support person was obviously putting keywords into an knowledge article, FAQ internal search and just copying and pasting the top result instead of actually knowing anything at all or being capable of thought.

    Here was my ticket content:
    "Good Day,

    When are you going to finish the midi implementation on the MPC X properly??? Its been a year we've been waiting for this(see links below). Please implement in the next patch!

    The MPC 4000 had great input midi implementation. See the manual of the 4000 page 78 a requirements document and page 132 for the multi timbral mode..

    Also here is a thread that outlines the issue.

    getsatisfaction.com/akai_professional/topics/-mpc-live-ability-to-assign-midi-channel-and-input-port-or-controller-to-specific-tracks?utm_source=notification&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=new_comment&utm_content=reply_button&reply[id]=19935991#reply_19935991"

    And here was the reply:

    "Thank you for reaching out to us. I appreciate the opportunity to assist you!

    Midi information

    I have included some information below that I think will be helpful:

    The USB ports on the MPC X have a variety of uses. They can be used to transfer files on and off of the MPC X, as extra storage, and as input for USB MIDI controllers.

    If you have a class compliant MIDI controller (one that does not require drivers), you will be able to plug it directly into an available USB port on the MPC X and control MIDI information in the embedded system software.

    Make sure to check out our FAQ guide below for more popular questions/answers about the MPC X and MPC 2.0:

    www.akaipro.com/kb/article/2223

    I hope this helps!"
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    • Indeed, this isn't just whining about the feature not being there 'although we know they are working on it'... People have been asking this for so long now, so forgive us the frustration, please. Of course the Live is still a great instrument but this feature seems so basic and is necessary in many people's setup...
    • Indeed, this isn't just whining about the feature not being there 'although we know they are working on it'... People have been asking this for so long now, so forgive us the frustration, please. Of course the Live is still a great instrument but this feature seems so basic and is necessary in many people's setup...
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  • I've just tried to set the midi channel for a plug-in track to see if that can be triggered externally while playing a drumtrack. (Machinedrum connected via DIN cable)

    Weird thing is, it still triggered only the active track, without any regard to the selected midi ch - and while switching through all the tracks in the project, I also triggered a muted one.... wtf????

    This means that incoming midi overwrites the internal sequencers mute controls, or muting simply cuts the output of a channel..... nice touch there.
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