[MPC Live] Ability to assign Midi channel and input port or controller to specific tracks

Currently if you connect MIDI keyboard via MIDI ports or USB, it will play the active track you have selected. And it's the same track you are playing with MPC's pads. It would be a great feature to assign MIDI keyboard to other track and play it as multi timbral synth. So for example you can play drums or clips with the pads on currently selected track and some melodies with your MIDI keyboard on another track, which is listening only to say channel 1 from USB MIDI controller.
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  • In fact the MPC LIve/X are already multitimbral.
    The point is that when you connect an external MIDI keyboard, it acts on the track you see on the screen...

    So, for the Akai/Inmusic development team, that issue is really EASY to solve.
    They must route the incoming channel N midi flow to all MIDI tracks listening that channel N.

    And maybe, this could be optional, to keep the current behaviour if some likes it.
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  • This is a response from Akai on Instagram:
    "Hello. There is no time take for the next update release. Please stay connected on our site and social media outlets for all announcements."
    "We appreciate your patience."
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  • i send for them it.: This is how we see it. Each track of 128 can have its own MIDI channel, which can receive and send MIDI messages and can filter these messages. Each MIDI channel can work as an internal ,external or both.Each controller can be processed. You implemented MIDI very well in AKAI S5000. Do the same.
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  • Stunned to see that an MPC (of all the devices I’m considering) lacks full MIDI?

    Modern software development: Remove almost everything, see who complains, then try to add it back. So painful.
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  • yeah although we flagged this up years ago and they just totally ignore us, hate the company now, sold my live and X and would never buy Akai again..an exercise in how to not treat your customers.
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  • I purchased one of the first Lives but sold it because it was missing so much and am only considering one now because I saw there were updates. The Live has 4 MIDI ports for God’s sake!

    Looks like JJOS 1000 is still they way to go, it has its drawbacks for sure but if you need proper MIDI, what do you do?
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  • Lol...
    Akai was a Different company back then. It used to be called Midi Production Center.

    Its been the Music Production Center for years now. They let that Midi Production Center sh*t go Years ago. Me...I researched the modern company before I spilled my Change on the X and the Live.
    Its a whole new company now. Im pretty sure they don't everyone buying just ONE product for ALL of their Needs. They want you to purchase different products for different needs $$$$
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  • I thought this was a joke when my friend told me. Now I purchased and this thing doesn't have basic midi functionality! WHAT?!
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    I want to second this!

    Maybe (and that's just a very optimistic way of thinking) the developers had something in mind, making the MPC X/Live receiving MIDI-In-data in omni-mode only. Maybe the idea was to have a fast and easy plug-and-play functionality to accommodate new costumers that don't have any experience in working with MIDI. Along the lines of "Plug your keyboard in and start playing immediately! No settings required!"

    But to not give the option to turn omni-mode off is simply... ridiculous!
    There is absolutely no good reason that can be thought of, why this isn't possible.

    And the (non-existent) dealing of Akai with the concerns of longtime MPC users shown in this over 2 years old (!) thread is really strange not to say disrespectful.

    It has all been said already. I just wanted to push this thread and let people know that this issue is still up to date and there are paying customers still waiting!
    • To be fair, this is being worked on. To what extent and what the core functionality will actually support remains to be seen.

      Considering the excellent work that went into the automation in 2.6, I must say that I have regained some trust in what will come with the multi-mode core work. Things are definitely shaping up. However, I do hope that USB MIDI *out* is a planned inclusion of this longer MIDI effort.

      Then there are just a few more core items that needs addressing (well, as far as I am concerned), pad mapping to specific note values (+ save/load), a better MIDI editor that can insert edit over a range, the ability to read parts of samples longer than the memory can load, etc.. Not big things, but if existing, certainly poor in their current state, and could with *relatively* small efforts be rectified.

      The X has a potential that IMO is unrealized, as is.

      So by all means, keep on pushing. Things won't happen for sure, otherwise.
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  • +1 akai

    i REALLY want to recommend the MPC to my students and followers... but until these basic issues are addressed i just can't do it.
    • I also REALLY want to help Akai shift a ton of product where people like you mr ill.GATES and many other YouTubers and producers show the new MPC as their centrepiece and sing its praises instead of saying "I got it a long time ago but I'm still waiting for it to be finished"

      like this last week, I dust off my MPC-x and plug it in again when a new update is announced.

      Pleased to hear an update is coming out soon and updates not been abandoned. Automation is a big step in the right direction.

      Akai are so close to being there, hopefully they surprise us soon :)

      Also hopefully its not going to take another 2 years to trickle the rest of the core basic features we been asking for, its getting boring waiting now.

      Remember people that this is now a platform, the hardware is fine, the rest is the software, the only reason I can think of to release a new MPC would be more memory or CPU or DSP processing power, or to make the MPC Live thinner and more portable, or a force that's more portable (deluge style) minor shit like that.

      Dragging feet will loose the first to market advantage, new product will arrives from competitors, Like Native instruments will probably release a standalone maschine with full Komplete instruments built in and outclass the MPC in many ways, BUT even if that happen it don't mean automatically everyone switch to the new shinny thing, they will stick with the MPC if its what they have and what they know and does everything what they want and if it plays nicely with their synths, if they can send midi into it from one keyboard and can have to routed to a particular synth and another keyboard is routed elsewhere (multi-timbral midi).

      But if the standalone Machine arrives and its the only option to properly integrate into their setup is to shell out hard cash for this other device and sell the MPC, then AKAI will only have their slow selves to blame for lost opportunity, and we will be disappointed in backing AKAI and the money and time we lost.

      I take the time to write this to help Akai make Money, print more money shifting the same units they have already manufactured,

      Meanwhile, I'm playing with my new Synthstrom Deluge (which I got because so many people where singing its praised and respected people - RedMeansRecording in my case - posting video saying this thing is amazing) and I dwell on how a small team with probably less resources get things right in the marketing department......make people happy,,,,support them..update regularly to their requests...they do the marketing for you and you don't need to come up superficial marketing expecting brochure sales, that's so outdated!!
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    If y'all read the thread over at Gearslutz, it has been state by Akai that this IS being addressed in a future update. So I don't really see the point of complaining incessantly about it. It was a glaring oversight, it's getting fixed.
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    • It does need bumping because there's 2 midi ins that people could be doing some pretty wild stuff with via other devices with different approaches to sequencing and performance. This is why people are frustrated with this lacking. It's been a hell of a journey with this thing but I think people that have stuck on for the ride maybe feel uneasy about a couple of things not quite making the cut that would really make it complete.
    • IMHO Midi Multi Mode + Disk Streaming = Complete
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    New update 2.6 and still NO Assign MIDI port/ OMNI/ALL control via Tracks completely incompetent tech team.
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    There's still a few things I think would make me feel this product is complete but there aren't that many. This, disk streaming to free up ram, different track lengths, portamento for key groups, linear arrangement (makes it a full daw). Great progress though when I think back to where things were a while ago!
    • You can make it a linear arrangement anytime you want to. Thats why sequences are set up the way they are.. Sequences don't have to be sections of a single song. Make that thing 200 bars and use it for an entire track!
    • Hi. Yes I do realise that I've worked with it that way, either song mode to long sequence or just long sequence. I've written a fair amount of tracks using both these methods.

      What I mean is if they wish to make it a full Daw (which I believe they do) there needs to really be a better way to loop sections of specific tracks etc. It's a bit tiresome editing a full tracks worth of midi notes although it is possible.

      So yes what I mean is some form of block based arrangement like any other DAW. It's not exactly essential you could export and mix elsewhere but am sure this aspect could and will be developed.
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    Over at GS as i recall Dan was hopeful that Midi Multi Mode and Disk streaming will make it on the next 2.7 update and if that’s true it’s going to be the biggest one yet..
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    It is well over past due for something that has been requested for over 2 years.
    To me it lame and lacking with regards to development.

    No matter what people are saying that Akai reps are saying on the next 2.7 update so called improved MIDI implementation, talk is cheap action is required and what we have to wait another year or two.

    BOGUS!
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    It been over 2 yrs no guarantee that this MIDI and disk streaming will be implemented talk is cheap action is required.

    This is lame for this to carry on this long seems like a delay tactic or blowing smoke up ur ass.

    I have other gear waiting for this to happen, can't call MPC-X A Studio Center piece or Pro if key central components is lacking.

    Been very patient and made no fuss for over a year 1/2
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  • Its Probably A Wrap for Disk Streaming, until a new model is released. In my opinion, they would have to restructure the Hardware accommodate that.
    Now...The Midi problems...I don't know whats goin on. It may be the Same situation.
    Honest communication would be Paramount!

    They should just say..."Just as 40Beatz stated...with the Current structure of Hardware, we cannot accommodate Disk Streaming. We would Need a Tad bit more RAM to have enough Buffering to provide Seamless Streaming from the HDD/SD Card. The Busses in the Linux OP System cannot handle Large Information travelling from the HDD/SD to support Disk Streaming at this Moment. We Are Working On An Alternative Option".

    That statement Right there....would Satisfy a lot of people. It would put us on Ice, and have us Salivating for the "New Model".

    Damn I could be an Akai Spokesman hahaha
    • If the hardware couldn't accommodate disk streaming, this would make sense, but that is unfortunately that is not true. It's easy to overestimate how resource intensive things like disk streaming are. Let's do a simple calculation as to how difficult or otherwise it is.

      Assuming disk streaming would only be for audio tracks (which seems sensible enough as one shots are usually okay to fit in ram) 192khz 32bit stereo audio takes about 1.5mb/s. Eight such streams (for 8 audio tracks) give 12 mb/s. Worst case seek time on SSD is about 0.2ms. Worst case SSD reads are 200mb/s. This means the raw read rate represents about 6% of the throughput of a slow SSD. Given the device's RAM we could readily give up 64mb to a buffer. Filling the buffer would cost under 350ms plus negligible seek time. This would represent about 5 seconds worth of buffer time. In other words, at 1/15th the assumed read rate and an order of magnitude slower seek disk streaming is still doable.

      In other words the platform is more than capable of disk streaming and if they tell you otherwise it's not true. Hardware limitations, however, are not the only reason for not getting a feature out fast. The reason for not adding the feature is that it's never as simple as you might imagine. Depending how the software is designed it can vary from trivial to extremely complex. The extremely complex end can make it cheaper to rebuild from the ground up that to add the feature. Similarly adding it may compromise the design to the extent of making further development on core features tricky. Beyond that are concerns around UI and UX.

      I have, elsewhere described how I would ideally like this implemented. A scheme where there is only disk streaming and instead of individual stream buffers there is a sample block cache that gets filled on demand. There would be no option to turn on or off disk streaming but rather, every sample, audio track or clip would have a decision made based on resources (limiting the cache size). This would give the most fluid user experience as, in effect, you would simply never have to worry about sample ram again. The hard part is likely that implementing this would require a ground up rewrite: a fundamental change in how media is handled.
    • Yeah, I see you are in favour of not expecting software updates and we should have to buy a new hardware. Yeah that was true of old MPCs, sure we could not expect a software update to make a MPC60 have many more features and capabilities, the CPU and memory was very limited, same was true up-to MPC1000, MPC2500 etc.

      This is a different era where the platform is a full computer with enough horsepower and memory to facilitate many of the the requests we are making.

      Depends how the 'software' is currently structured on how hard it is for them, not necessarily a hardware problem.

      The deluge can handle multiple channel audio streaming from an SD card so I ask you: is the CPU that much faster than the MPC? is an SD card much faster than flash memory or a SSD drive? The opposite is probably true.

      Heres what Sythstrom have to say about needing fast SD-card's:

      "What size can I use? Does the speed of the card matter?...Any size at all. If you wish to use larger than 32GB you will need to reformat your card to FAT32. We recommend using reputable brands only and backing up your card regularly. The speed of the card isn’t very important – any modern SD card will have fast enough read and write speeds for the Deluge. Even a “class 4” card, which is around the slowest you will find these days, would in fact be fast enough to simultaneously record 30 channels of 24-bit, 44.1kHz audio in real-time!"

      The deluge can stream even multi-sampled instruments where say a piano patch has a different sample on each note and they are all streamed and don't take main sample memory.

      So don't think its not possible, or the hardware needs to be upgraded, it does not, it's all about software.

      What you know to be true was indeed a fact of life back in the day, but for us that build hardware and software with modern chips, we know what's possible, I even present a case study device.

      Peace bro.
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    If that the case Hardware limitation, they (Akai) should create Ram upgrade discount program to have unit sent back. I am pretty sure they can accommodate more ram by replacing the Ram.

    Have customers pay for shipping pay half fee for ram replacement they(Akai) pay for shipping it back to the customer.

    This would eliminate or compensate for if disk streaming in the MPC X/Live lack the support.

    They can utilize a company with the technical ability to upgrade the already solder ram with Quilty control recommendation.

    I would be willing to do this and be without my MPC X for a couple of weeks or so.
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    That's a Hell Of An Idea. But the Logistics involved with that would be astronomical! Akai would have to Pay the Company to do it. Hopefully...without any Hiccups and Warranty Voids.
    From an AKAI Economical standpoint, it would be wiser to Pacify us with minor Updates, then Drop the New Model with the Hardware to Accommodate that PLUS More.

    They Want you to get that New MPC XXXtreme(with more RAM and Disk Streaming) lol

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$ List $2499.95
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    They should offer a Trade In Program when the New One Drops also!
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  • I know that a tall I order I presented.

    Your idea sound great as well all depending on the trade in offer considering the conditions of the units that are 2 yrs or more older.

    The current market value is $2199.00 so it would be a question of how much I am willing to come out of pocket. It a SNAFU (Situation Normal All Fucked Up).

    I do not know if they can remedy this. I would go to a certified company recommended by Akai if they provide the specs and schematic or state it can be done some kind of aid would be helpful.
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  • Dan at Akai said disk streaming is coming, so all of these 'solutions' to a non-existent problem seem a bit premature.

    2.6 was a great update, the two biggest shortcomings - Disk streaming and multi midi, are getting addressed, yet I'm sure it won't stop people from complaining about them until the next update. I'll be spending time making music, as that seems more productive, no?
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    • Ok guys lemme be the voice of reason! We're all passionate about our Drum Machines. A healthy debate/requests can
      be an Avenue for Akai to hear our thoughts. Be easy Guys
    • Plus... I'm at work while I'm watching you guys debate
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    It's very common in software/web development to limit features and see how many people complain. I've seen this first-hand; the louder the noise, the higher the priority.

    Akai made some glaringly obvious choices and have continued to prioritise other features.

    If you want multi MIDI and disk streaming, keep posting. If the noise is tiresome, unsubscribe.
    • Yeah Im sure Akai is doing this just to mess with their entire customer base. That makes perfect sense.
    • You misunderstand, it's a very effective way of focusing development resources and it happens all the time. Microsoft bought Skype and removed a bunch of features, Apple is famous for redoing/re-releasing products and limiting features.

      Akai's choices were made to allocate development resources which is perfectly normal, and they continue to prioritise features to this day.

      This thread is about adding professional voices to what they prioritise.
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    I want to add my voice in agreement with all of those above who want to keep this issue alive. I've previously voiced my support of multi-MIDI. I am disappointed with AKAI for not including this initially, and further dismayed at their continual lack of meaningful acknowledgement of this problem.

    After 2 years of charitable patience, I finally posted my MPC LIVE review on Amazon yesterday, and it reflects as much - 3 stars, and a carefully worded explanation of the problem. I don't usually post negative public reviews, but Akai has given no other avenue of recourse.
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    It's really completely baffling how bad the MIDI side of the new MPCs are. Even if there was some reason not to allow assigning channels to tracks/programs...there are much more basic things missing.

    The whole device running in OMNI mode??? It borders on the humorous/absurd...and we can't even make jokes like "WHAT IS THIS? 1987?" Since devices from 1987 could generally route a little MIDI here and there.

    I'm going to go put on a skinny piano key necktie and cry.
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  • Yeah, for anyone hoping to use the MPC X as a centerpiece of other hardware, this product is a failure. It seems great for hip-hop producers, but I purchased it to be the centerpiece of my synths and external loopers. When I had a 2000xl twenty years ago, it worked amazing in this capacity... a true centerpiece for hardware, and internal sampling.

    I keep hearing mentions that the developers are working on proper MIDI implementation, but have waited through 1.4, 1.5, and now 1.6... am starting to believe that its not true.

    Where have Akai developers said this is in the process? Is there a GearSlutz thread or other place? Or would any Akai reps care to comment here, since this is your official forum? Will we eventually get proper MIDI multi-timbral support? Or if there's some technical limitation or reason why this unit can't, can you please tell us? I really want to believe. I'm holding on to my X unit for now, but if I'd be better served with going the Elektron route, just let me know.
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    • I get that. But now that people know about it, it's probably good to get involved in the conversations over there.
    • What would be good if instead of posting on Gearslutz they could improve their communications on all the Akai official channels. Take a look at what the tiny (by comparison) Synthstrom does.. they run a forum where users can vote for the improvements that they would like to see which they then implement, they send out regular newsletters letting people know what they are working on and what is coming up.. Akai look very amateurish in comparison with their Product Manager posting rumours on a non Akai channel lol
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