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is Akai redefining the midi standard with MPC Software ?

Please can you inform the MPC community when the midi channel defect will be resolved!
It is unfathomable that a single track with a defined midi channel will respond to all external midi channels.

If AKAI can not respond adequately to this defect, I will return my gear and expect a full refund, because it clearly does not support the midi specification as advertised.

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  • I agree it is annoying, but labeling it a defect is simply wrong. OMNi implementation is part of the MIDI standard, I have had devices before that only worked in OMNi mode.
    That being said, please do something about it though Mr.Akai :-)
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  • Where did this info come from? Seriously I want to read this. Everything they do is so backwards.
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  • I don't have the official specification lying around, but check:
    https://www.midi.org/specifications-o...
    and
    http://www.indiana.edu/~emusic/etext/...

    Most of the synths I own have the option to respond on all channels, i.e OMNI mode.
    It can be quite useful in certain situations.
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  • By the way, changing this is right at the top of most requested changes:
    https://getsatisfaction.com/akai_prof...

    So I'm hopeful they will do something about it. Be sure to upvote :-)
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  • OMNI is a feature of the device not part of the midi communication spec !
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  • In the midi.org link there is a Channel Mode Message for setting OMNI mode. Could be I'm reading it wrong, either way devices receiving on all channels has been implemented in many synths for decades. So I felt that saying that Akai is 'redefining the MIDI standard' a bit strong.
    If I misunderstood the spec, I stand corrected :-)
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  • Thanks for your Input @Ton ... but the software does not respond to CCM 124,125 - OMNI Mode on/off - as per the midi spec. So it is a defect !

    OMNI has been in a number synths, but definitely not all, and not one synth implements only OMNI mode.

    Additionally midi is a core protocol that would have been implemented in the very first release of the MPC software, how could they have made the decision to release up to version 2.3 without this functionality. It is not something you bolt on as an after thought.
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    • i don't know if you are a professional musician, I rewired my studio for this device, with the expectation to run 9 synths off of it. I am losing money because of their apparent oversight of the only core protocol in the music industry. Maybe they should change their name to "AKAI Bedroom", because this is far from professional product.

      I believe they team up with the wrong developers, maybe the Image Line team who also produce bedroom software. The hardware is beautiful, but the software is a bad joke.

      AKAI.. the Cockos developers really understand how to implement midi... start a dialog with them.. they will save this product!!!!!
    • No, I am not a professional musician. Yes, I have a ton of synths as well, and I do feel your pain. My workaround has been to only have a master keyboard connected to the input and play my synths from there. Not as nice as being able to just walk to another keyboard and play on that without having to switch tracks for sure. And if you have rewired your studio to work that way this the current implementation does really suck, I agree.
      All I was saying is that it's a bad implementation, but not breaking MIDI spec. I just registered at midi.org specifically to download the 1996 spec, I did not read the whole thing but did not find any hard requirement for an instrument to support OMNI OFF. In fact, the spec mentions that a certain receiver may only support OMNI ON.
      "A transmitter could possibly request a mode not implemented in a receiver. For example, a transmitter
      might request Omni-Off Mono with M=2, but the receiver has only Omni-On Mono or Omni-On Poly
      capability. "
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  • Fair point. For a real bitch btw, check out the Volca Sample implementation. Uses 10 channels (one for each part) and only responds to NOTE ON/OFF, not even NOTE VALUE...
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    • Horses for courses :-)
      I was OK with the Volca Sample, and do get why they did it that way. As for the Live, if I were to route all my MIDI OUTs to two inputs I would need yet another MIDI router/merger. As it is I have the pads on my controller (Keylab II) set up to send program changes, and the MPC to switch tracks on program change request. Who needs the pads on a Keylab anyway, when you have the MPC pads :-)
      Works like a charm, just hit the pad and play whatever instrument I have set up on that track. The downside is with synths you can't fully control with MIDI, like Korg Arp or Moog Grandmother. I can't map any of the controls to those of course.
    • As Daniel pointed out, it kills the purpose of the Live as live instrument. You can't play two parts simultaneously. Or use the Live just as a modern day Akai sampler in place of e.g a Z8.
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  • Have you done 1.5 years to find out that the MPC was nothing for your work environment. No, you already knew that after a week, I think. Why did you not bring him back then? Do you already have a lawyer who has filed a claim with Akai for you? Or you stand from the sidelines, shouting, hoping that others will fix it for you.
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    • @Fabrizio, maybe very snob, but this is an AKAI Professional instrument, it is intended for use by professionals who have used it's predecessors for years. The music business is exactly that... a business.. people who make a living in this industry rely on the tools companies provide to generate revenue. This tool does not provide the features it claims to provide in its sales pitch, and yes, I have a problem with that.
    • Ok I understand but your attitude is aggressive and useless. You are attacking everyone and putting yourself on a higher position just because you claim you are a professional and the others bedroom producer.
      We are all waiting for what we need, I am also aware that they advertised Mpc with a fake 2gb Ram and a faulty Midi implementation but this doesn't mean we try to shout more to hope Akai is listening more.
      I told you before, if you don't like it, sell it. It was not offensive, I wanted to say that this generation Mpc has some coding problems, its more then clear.
      But after being upset for the fake marketing, I started to use Mpc as it is and now I really like it.
      As a daw, is a disaster.
      But as a sampler or groovebox, is a great electronic instrument.
      I just tell you if you want to use it as a daw, you will have many problems, not just the one you highlighted.
      Try to use it as an instrument, its a great tool.
      Or just sell it.
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  • Actually, you know what, that was not my last word. @TNT Rox, I apologize for perhaps coming across as condescending in my first reply to your post, and subsequently getting agitated (not removing my last comment because that would be ‘cowardly’ I guess, but I apologize).
    You obviously want the machine to work for you, so let’s bury the hatchet and analyze the situation. The issue you are experiencing might be fixed in the next update, you never know, but that’s not for certain. Perhaps we, as the community here, can help you.
    What is your setup, and what is it exactly you are trying to achieve? You want to be able to use the MPC as a sort of MIDI router, so you can play on any channel from a master keyboard and have that routed to the correct channel on a MIDI out? Or is it more about being able to walk over to any synth, play on that and have it recorded on its own track?
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    • Well, I triied..
      Good luck.
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  • Hey everybody,

    So we're all crystal clear here - the MPC will currently apply all incoming MIDI data to the currently selected track. No incoming MIDI data will affect any track that is not currently selected - this is what everybody is asking about.

    You can send MIDI data out from the MPC's DIN out ports to multiple external devices on unique MIDI channels by using MIDI programs. With enough Thrus, assigning MIDI channels to MIDI program tracks from which you want to send sequence data would make our 9 (or was it 8? 70?) synths example a possibility.

    I'm hoping for a day that I can drop by the forum and let everybody know that they can select the MIDI channel on which their data will be input to their heart's content. The reality is, that day has not arrived. There have been no updates from me regarding this topic since the aforementioned thread because I haven't received any information about it. With regard to multitimbral input, the community knows what I know.

    You can take my word that if and when development implements this functionality, I will be posting about it here.
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