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MPC Live and X: Streaming audio from SSD for more audiotracks and freeing RAM

MPC Live: Streaming audiotracks from SSD (through the 16gb and the Sata one) this could raise the available count of usable audiotracks in mpc live and X aswell. It will free up the 2gb ram to be used for other purposes so it wont be maxed out doing any liveset longer then 10 minutes
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  • Just about every DAW nowadays should be processing its audio in 32-bit floating point.. Regardless of what the project's sample rate/bit rate/etc is set to, the DAW itself resamples everything in memory to 32-bit float, and any time its touched back down to disk, it does an on the fly resample back to whatever the native rate was. I still remember when it was a brand new option in Cubase VST32 hah, nowadays the cpus can handle it so its the norm. There's also two different kinds as well, there's floating-point, and there's fixed integer bitrates. Your cpu is working with floating point math for more accuracy, your files will be fixed integer, but you can use either one for both. Just like sample rates and higher bit rates, file size goes up with floating point vs fixed integer too.

    Haven't really run into issues with MIDI clock and the software yet, but Ive barely just started using my synths with it. I wanted to get the basics down with its own sampler before I started moving to the next set of features to learn heh. I really don't do much other than trigger regular old phrases and stuff though. Once Im finished messing with the sound itself I usually track it and just throw em in the sequencer as a sample. I rarely use arps or built in sequencers, but I do sync LFOs with MIDI so Ill have to keep an ear on that. The timing of some of those modulations are kinda important to where and how the patch is used so..

    Who knows maybe all they need to do is go through and optimize the software to run a little leaner? Its got 2GB total RAM, so the other 1.5GB is for the OS and all its components, the audio system, hardware, etc. Even for a standalone machine, 2GB seems awfully small nowadays. My old Galaxy S6 and the brand new iPhone I just got have more RAM and storage in them. Its Linux so Im sure there's lots they can do to optimize it for the specific purpose of being an MPC. I mean the 60 and 2000 were written in BASIC so.
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    This feature should have been there from the beginning.

    It cannot be marketed as a DAW replacement without this basic feature.

    Let’s make it happen please <3
    • Agreed, we all want the machine Akai marketed (full MPC sampler, Full MPC Pads, Full MPC MIDI - AND Audio for stems).

      It's such a shame the developers couldn't realise it - or maybe audio was tacked-on at the last minute (as was full MIDI)?
    • To be honest, I don't think that's it.

      I think the developers (being that they do just that, create) always had a DAW like scenario in mind. Unfortunately the traditional MPC concepts kept pushing from olden days. I also think that time has been a major factor for the MPC X/Live. They were forced (by whom one can speculate) to prioritize (which means heavy compromises) what to and how to make things work, just to get the product out the door. This is likely the reason why some functionality was not even there at launch (BT, Wi-Fi, etc.), and also why some things were just "rushed" into the machine and not fully implemented (MIDI, TS). I can relate to such situations, from multiple ventures and fields.

      However, what is really awesome now, is that Akai is working on rectifying this for the future, which seems to include the MPC X/Live. The fact that multiple software implementations (PC, X/Live/Force, etc.) share code base is truly outstanding. This means that hopefully as time pass on, the X/Live will benefit from changes possibly even after their retirement.
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  • Hi everyone,

    any news? It would be nice if any eployee give us at least answer if this request is considered in Akai as relevant or not.

    Thanks!
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  • I'm Not an Employee....But its More than likely a Wrap lol. It'll probably be incorporated in the Next MPC that drops.

    The MPC X/Live are Extraordinary Units, but I believe its at the end of its Potential. The Hardware setup inside simply cant handle that request.

    Just My Opinion....
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    Like Purusha said, I have same harddrive in my mpclive as i have in my studiodesktop, the architecture should not be a problem indeed, that is why is opted for the idea of buffering from a ssd everyone can put into the mpc when they want this, a feature like this will make everyone happy, this is why i started this topic and if some one doesnt want it,it is not mandatory to use it or put a ssd in your instrument :). I have started betatesting the new os with other features but i surely hope this feature will be implemented soon, it will make the new mpcrange a few steps higher on the usabilitylist for alot of producers and liveacts including myself and from that point it will actually come on stage with me instead of only in my studio.


    Ps all people replying to this topic during the years, thanks for responding (also the akai employees) i hope starting this topic will help bring the mpc to a even higher level it is allready.


    Greetings,


    Joost (Mono-Amine)
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    +1 requesting streaming audio from an installed SSD on the MPC Live!!!!!
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  • I'm also worried about the boards, but to be honest with you all, streaming from memory card has been a thing for a very long time, so it was certainly incorporated into older designs. The whole Roland SP series does it....how old is the Sp 404, like 15 years old? I get that maybe the barebones situation for Roland may have been a little more purpose-built, but i sincerely doubt that this issue is hardware related. Development costs money. Akai has been cutting back on jobs like crazy as of late, which isn't abnormal for a big company, but still. The Live, One, and X would probably be the first products Akai has made to EVER have that feature....it's just not something they're known for doing. I have a feeling July or August will be the next OS upgrade based on their regular release schedule...and who knows.....maybe they'll have a little something for us. Maybe they wont....

    One thing i'd like them to fix, that wouldn't be a big deal ( i think) is that none of the standalone plugins have a "global pitch" mod......that makes them pretty damn useless especially because they don't sound all that great to begin with, and if i'm going to put in the time to set and run the effects, and edit the sound, at the very least i'd like to make sure it's in tune with the rest of my song. It's a super basic feature in my opinion, and the fact that it's missing and nobody really talks about it is weird to me. I've also noticed that when i connect my LPK25 through usb to the Mpc One, all of a sudden, it's no longer velocity sensitive, you know when i first got the keyboard i tried to find a way to make it a fixed velocity controller, and there really wasn't a way....this baffles me. i'm sure there's a way to turn that off...i just don't know where the hell it could be. I'd also really like a "Offline" time stretch function with an "undo" button. I think they could put a little bit more oomff into the standalone time stretch and make it a little more usable in a melodic sense if they maybe gave us the choice of a deeper rendered timestretch versus the real-time timestretch. Just my opinion though.
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  • Its gotta be the Hardware...otherwise it would have been implemented by now.

    I believe Akai Developers designed the Circuitry around, how they thought sequencer should operate in an Efficient Way. But....doing that made it hard to Implement a Few Features that were in Previous Models. Obstacles such as it being Stuck in Omni Mode, or the way it accesses the Storage Media, makes it hard to Implement Multi Channel Midi Input Control....or ....Disk Streaming.
    They would have to back and Undo the SOC chips and shit.
    Somebody over at InMusic said..."man forget all that...We'll implement that in the Next Big MPC Debut...Instead lets give them Free Updates, Get in bed with the Other Leading DAWs, while we work on the Next Hardware Debut".

    Which is kinda wise! If I were Akai...I would Charge A One Time Fee. That would Curtail all The Complainers lol

    Now....Standalone Plugins having a Global Pitch Mod?
    You could add A Pitch Shifter on the Program

    Offline Time Stretch? With Undo?
    Its In There Bruh. As far as the Quality of Time Stretch....Im wit you on that. I can only imagine Akai was tryin to cut some of the Fat from Standalone, to make room for the other UnParalleled Standalone Features. Akai probably said.."If you Want Quality Timestretch...Go into Controller Mode where the Algorithm is better"

    Again...These are just my theories! I have a feeling they're gonna Drop 3.0/2.8 combo. 2.8(Free...minor updates for the Classics lol) 3.0(One Time Fee...for the MKII's lol)

    I Paid $110 ELEVEN YEARS ago for JJOSXL....and they still Updating it
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  • Yah but i don't think Akai developed the hardware. Those boards were probably used for a few different products from other companies and maybe the manufacturer was sitting on a bunch of them because the products they were meant for, had already upgraded the boards they were using. Akai probably got a tonne of these boards for a really nice price which is why all the iterations of their new devices have the same boards.

    Not sure what you mean by akai developers designing circuitry. What sort of circuitry are you talking about? Hardware circuitry? i'm thinking you're talking about the way they designed the standalone OS and how it communicates with the hardware. Like i said in my previous comment, streaming off of memory cards is not a new technology. There have been much much older hardware devices that have had that capability. I can tell you that for instance in the SP-404 the compact flash reader is a separate entity all together. It's not part of the board, it's a separate module they attached to the mainboard. So i don't think it's an issue with the card reader that's in the MPC Live/x/one. Also, if it were a hardware issue, i think it's kind of weird that Akai wouldn't just come straight out and tell their customers "listen, this feature can't be supported" point-blank. They haven't done that, to my knowledge, so maybe it's just something they don't want people hounding them about so they aren't really giving a schedule for when that feature will be available.

    Nobody knows anything for sure, but i'm just giving you contextual, factual information that has led me to believe that maybe this is more of a software issue than it is a hardware issue. That makes a big difference to me. Because hardware can't change in products we've already purchased, but the software can.

    Yah i know that the pitch shifter will accomplish the desired effect, but it also takes up an effects slot. That should be something that's built right into the plugin. If they're worried about efficiency like you were mentioning, then shit should be more efficient.

    In terms of using the product in controller mode, i didn't buy it for that purpose to be honest with you. I have other products for that.
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  • The guts of the MPC Live are all out and about on the internet already. Akai didn't have anything to do with the hardware, its an off the shelf SOC that inMusic is using for a ton of their products across the board. The One has the exact same insides and Id bet any upcoming Live MK II will as well, it makes more sense from a dev point of view to keep them all the same inside.

    More than likely what happened is the team was forced to rush something in the beginning to give the suits something to show off at NAMM (I bet most of you dont remember the demo of the Live was originally shown running Windows mobile on it at NAMM). They probably wrote themselves into a corner getting it up and running and going back and reworking things we've been asking for is too big of a job to do.

    Dan, the MPC product manager, said flat out doing the whole 1:1 track arrangement and the multi timbral midi is going to require a rewrite of some major components of the OS. People act like there's some sort of conspiracy but Dan was pretty forthcoming with all of this information before he disappeared off Gearslutz last year when the 2.7 beta began.
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    • Sounds like you're the one that's complaining. And trust me bro, nobody needs you to repeat the same shit over and over. You were incorrect about the boards in the current gen models, so I'm not going to listen to you or ask you about future models. Information changes. More of it becomes available over time, what other tools do you use outside of a MPC to make whatever you make? Did you know that they have streaming off of memory cards since the SP-202? Do you know when that was released? 1997. Do you understand how ridiculous your continuous statement of hardware being the issue is? That was 23 years ago hombre. You can dish info out with the disclaimer that it's an "opinion" but when someone tells you you're wrong objectively, stop talking shit.

      No problem, I'll absolutely ignore your comments.
    • You right...I'm falling victim to Complaining about Complaints lol. My Bad Bruh.
      Yup...You right. Roland is Superior. I'll take the advice i gave you...Im pullin My Maxi Pad Out, Pullin up my Mini Skirt....And Im a Go to bed with my SP-202.

      You Got It Young Warrior....lol
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  • Akai made choices to generate more revenue and integrate this as a controller for Ableton. I my opinion their development choices tells us A. They are not looking for this to be a standalone quite the contrary they integrated it with Ableton and B. They want to generate money with sound packs and plugins.

    The hardware is perfectly capable of streaming contrary to what some of the people think. It is a powerful linux box. There are some examples of boxes that stream with worse specs. In short it aint going to happen. They want it to integrate with the computer thereby saying it will need to be tethered not freed and make money on sound packs and plugins. This is my opinion I hope I'm wrong.
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