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MPC Live internal memory

Can someone please explain how the internal memory of the MPC Live works?

The box says "2GB of RAM for sampling".

But if I load around 700mb in 1800 files of my own samples, I get memory full warnings and the gauge is around 85%. The machine works fine after that btw despite the warning.

Is my unit faulty?
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  • Hey mikejarod,

    Thanks for posting!

    RAM should not be confused with internal memory. RAM is used to process your sequences and audio that is recorded into the Live. The MPC Live has a total of 16GB of internal memory - 10GB of which is allocated to the pre-installed sample content and 4GB that is dedicated to the MPC's operating system. The user can utilize the remaining memory for sample content and storing projects so based on what you've mentioned, the memory status sounds just about right.

    Most users that I have communicated with are installing internal drives or using USB hard drives, USB thumb drives, and SD cards to store their content and projects. Doing so will also help you transfer your standalone projects to the software version of MPC and vice versa as the MPC Live will also act as a drive/card reader when it is connected to a computer in controller mode.

    Please let me know if you have any questions!
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  • Thanks for the reply. Im not sure we understand each other. I am using standalone mode. I installed and am using a 120GB SSD. On there is only 1 project with 700mb, 1800 files, mostly 16 bit/44k but some are different. There is more then 99% free space on the SSD, and according to the box "2GB of RAM for sampling". I start up the device. I choose empty project. I load this 700MB project, and the memory (MEM, in system resources, top right of main mode) is about 85% full. Is that expected behaviour?
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  • Maybe the live loads the samples in memory in an internal format with higher storage usage?
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  • I think the cpu is programmed to see any content volume above a certain level, say 500 mb, as a trigger for a warning pop-up... as though its scan doesn't account for the added memory device
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    Hello Nick D do you have an answer for me? So far it looks to me you have about 1GB of RAM to work with for samples. I guess the machine has 2 but the remainder is used by the OS. So putting on the box "2GB of RAM for sampling" is false.
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    • Hey GP,

      You can access the other thread I mentioned here.

      The MPC Live can certainly be used in a live setting! Clip programs, Looper, external MIDI control, and of course just working with the sequences you've built all lend themselves to both live performances and producing outside of a performance situation. These are only a few examples, I'm sure you could find a way to use any aspect of the MPC Live somehow during a performance!

      If you are working with a set of songs you can definitely have more than one song within a project but be sure to keep an eye on memory usage. If you do find that you are running low on resources in a given project, I would advise you to split the set into different projects to lighten the load on the MPC and let your projects breathe a bit.

      I hope that helps!
    • Hey Nick D,

      You're skirting around the true issue here:

      On the box it says '2GB of RAM for sampling'. This is very misleading. It seems that other people also purchased it thinking that they could store 2GB worth of samples in the RAM, Rex from the other thread for instance.

      Also, if you look at the wording on this list of features you'll see the same phrase:

      https://www.elektronauts.com/uploads/...

      I noticed the wording has been changed on the Akai website though...
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    Hi,

    You are correct mikejarod,

    I bought an MPC LIVE today entirely on the premise that it has '2gb of RAM for sampling' like it says on the box. I have been dealing with 192mb of RAM for 8 years and it seemed like a godsend to finally have 2gb to work with.

    While loading large samples I noticed the same thing as you; that the memory meter in the 'system resources' page was filling up too fast.

    So, to test it I tried to load 2gb worth of samples into the RAM, but after loading 616.1mb of samples it displayed the message 'Not enough memory to load sample' when I tried to load one more sample which was 47.7mb in size.

    This is blatant false advertising, especially for long-time MPC users who expect to be able to utilize the full amount of RAM that they have in their machines, for instance 192mb RAM in the MPC 5000 (64 inbuilt + 128 add-on) means 192mb of RAM dedicated to samples and sequence/program/song files.

    I will be returning it tomorrow.
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    You are totally right. This is an advertisement fraud.

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    ..a perfect example how to loose a lot of respect instandly.
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  • I can see that you are guys are pretty stuck on this. Yeah the advertising says for sampling but if you want more sample time record in at 45rpm's. then stretch after. not very hard...
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    Don't agree at all

    Advertising in all the European Union IS a contract (not like a contract, indeed IS a contract), if you advertise something you HAVE to give it. No option

    And i purchased in the EU so in my case this is ilegal. And is logic, what about if they say in advertisement "16GB of sampling memory and 32 tracks" and you only have 2 and 8 tracks? you make your purchase under a deception

    By the way, love the machine and i don't need all 2gb, but i don ́t like to be cheated to take my money
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    ...just to keep it simple:

    If you promote specifications of a product that are not there, than you are not an honest person/businessman. And that doesn't make a good reputation.
    I will possibly never run into any memory problem the way I will use this machine I guess and I didn't even bought it because of the promise of that amount of memory. But I feel fooled by a corporation, that simple...
    Why should I trust in anything else they say?
    You know I worked with the MPC 4000 for almost 12 years a machine that never ever received the promised sample stream option. But because I like the general workflow of the MPCs I came back and bought the MPC Live and I feel fooled again already.
    That will not make me return the product but will keep ANY expectations low and maybe that is what they aiming for by acting like this in the first place.

    Sorry for not keeping it simple, but def not more to say about this issue.
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    Looks like the limit is somewhere near the 700MB then? My box says 2GB of RAM for sampling :(
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  • Weirdly no employee responds to this topic anymore!
    I had a lot of bugs with mine too. The biggest is I can t save my projects anymore.
    The message says:

    " ERROR SAVING MPC PROJECT " or "MPC PROJECT FAILED TO LOAD"
    /media/az01-internal-sd/MPC documents/Projects/Name of the project.xpj "

    If anyone has a solution I take it !
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    • The free space says 0 Bytes but even if I delete the templates and my projects the space remains the same. 0 bytes. How can I save my projects on a SD card?
      I put it in but I still have the same error message?
    • You can only load 256 Mb data on a project that’s pain on the ass. Àkâi are truly liers on that point !
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  • Please don't use the internal memory anymore!

    Today I've lost ALL my data on it, from factory content to own folders and projects!

    Other people have reported this as well.

    Not recoverable unfortunately.

    I'll have to go to the music store, ask for another unit and build things again from older version files that I should have, or at least I hope so...

    Be prepared to accept that this piece of gear is unreliable for live use. Sooner or later there will be other issues / failures, I guess.

    Big fun, makes performing LIVE with it a real adventure! Hence the name.
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    • Similar trouble: After roughly made midi mix I tried to convert to audio track by track - bounce to audio, to be able to continue with inserts etc.. Anyone suggesting workflow? To save project on SD to save memory space, to split the project?!? Or is it best to by new laptop to continue ? Ridiculous.. It should be 8 GBYTE RAM 100-200 GBYTE ROM or as an expansion unit/ card bought separately. I would pay 200 eur more
    • I dont even use the audio tracks. Live crashed on multiple occasions. I just loaded 2.07 yesterday. This may help but its crazy. I barely have a couple of keyboard samples and three kits loaded on a new project and I m full. Somehow I notice too when you copy sequences and or programs it uses too much memory when it should not use any in managing these copied files. Its like what is the point to having 99 sequences if you cant even fill 20 before it goes full. So i guess having a 120 GB does not help per project issues due to these internal limitations. Anyone have any other suggestions to get wood across the bridge here ?
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  • I was always suspicious about the internal memory, ..don't know why..
    Anyhow, I have my sample library on an SDcard and my project data
    always ends up on a fast USB3stick. Like this everything is pretty portable
    as I never use my X in controller mode.
    I hope you get your things sorted loekazz!
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  • I get the impression that Akai suffers from sloppy release management and information management practices in general, and that this misinformation is just another symptom among many.

    The reference to 2 Gigs of sample memory is inexcusable, but is probably an honest mistake. Perhaps the best mitigation for Akai at this time would be sending a message to all retailers to update the information on the box by way of a sticker or sharpie, etc.

    Anyone that was fully expecting 2 gigs sample memory has a strong justification to ask for their money back due to the false advertising.
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  • I agree with you. I have experienced this sloppiness with Roland. The VS 880. They used Jazz Drives in the beginning but no one at the company tested them with full projects. I called Roland for months after large projects were crashing with little recovery and they finally had a total recall of all units after a year. It told me a lot about companies and their practices. They cant be trusted as much as we d like to trust them.

    In this case with Akai this was a development budgetary marketing decision, which may also have a future intent to build a future unit with much more internal ram/memory. OF course we will all run out and buy it . Its on a parallel with the car which can run on no gas. We would no longer have a need to buy gas.... This marketing move allows Akai to upgrade to more guaranteed buys in the future even if you have an internal 120 now.
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  • SSD sata drive installation - see youtube video. SD cards, USBs, good attitude towards sugar and white bread, eat healthy organic food such as groceries and breath deeply to get the information about how they sell us toys instead real machines digested without unnecessary samples from the back side...
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  • The rule of frugality applies - only use what you really need, don't load samples you don't need, create simpler songs, don't clutter long projects, when you record multiple audio tracks as I do, convert track by track to mp3 and save original tracks in waw. to computer HD than continue work. Use silent breaks to rest your ears. in the meanwhile manage files, multiple backups.. Finally use computer's processing power. Live is still good stuff for getting the main idea quickly on "paper".

    Remember times with 4 channel cassette recording. 2000$ per hour!
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  • Hah Right ! On Cassettes though you had the ability to get 30 minutes of 4 tracks before flipping over without worrying about managing amounts of audio. I m going to contact Akai on Monday, There is something else in the management of files that is causing my sparse keyboard lines and loaded drum kits to cause memory overload, Love your advice on MP3 and you hit the other nail on the head though. I truly dont want to have to worry about deleting 8 parts of a drum kit I dont need to open up space. This was sold as a stand alone it should stand UP alone. Alot of folks I m hearing moved away from the computer overload back to this alone, Good advice though work within what u got, They ll have twice the load next upgraded machine, The more i sit down with this the more flexible i realize it is, Keygroup Automation WOW ,,,The sampling engine in here and its apps are next level for sure,
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  • How can i savage project files , samples ,and libraries i had in my mpc live? I turned the mpc on and everything seemed me be missing? Could it be a defect? A virus bug? What would cause this to happen and how can i extract/salvage my projects files and samples off the internal memory that havent been manually deleted by me.
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