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MPC Live – Latency on MIDI Input

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I try to use MPC Live (firmware 2.0.5) as an hardware sampler/MIDI expander in standalone mode, like I can do well on my MPC4000 with a DAW or MIDI keyboard.
On the MPC Live, I noticed that there is a gap between MIDI input event and effective audio out.
I have measured this latency : 9.3 ms, equivalent to 410 samples at 44,1KHz... That is a lot for an audio pro device !!! :(
This is very problematic for real time playing, or rhythm loop making.

Has Akai planned to fix this problem ?

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  • Hello Deltank,

    Thanks for posting!

    I'm sorry you're having trouble with this. Other users in the community have reported similar behavior. I would advise that you submit this directly to the Akai team as feedback with the MPC 2.0 Software's built-in feedback module. The feedback module is represented by a smiley icon at the lower right side of the software next to the browser icons. This information goes directly to the Akai team.

    You can also use the following links to submit information to our team:

    MPC - Submit a Bug Report

    MPC - Submit a Feature Request

    Your feedback is appreciated, thank you! Let me know if you have any additional questions going forward.
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  • Hi Nick,

    Thanks for your answer.
    I have submit today a bug report to Akai support for this problem.

    I hope a solution will come soon.
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  • Hi, Love this. I am new to the hardware, but the software looks fantastic!
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    The MIDI, even to external instruments, suffers the same latency as the ASIO buffer setting. Set it really high you'll see your latency gets worse.

    Not all DAW's introduce this delay to the MIDI streams. Reaper and MPC software are two I can think of that do.

    To have low latency external MIDI, you need low latency audio buffers. I would like to see this changed...

    UPDATE: sorry I see this is a Live specific thread. However I think it could be related.
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    8 months and still nothing...I have submitted again this latency issue to the Akai support. Any news here from support ?
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  • Please if you also have this issue (it is 100% sure you have it), click on the +1 at the top of the page to increase the counter. I can't believe only 5 people only are suffering of this issue.
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    Today I retry the test with MPC Live firmware 2.2.1.
    I measured 10ms MIDI latency (472 samples at 44.1KHz).

    Waiting for a hypothetical MIDI performance update ...

    Pray for The Great Conceptor come help us :)
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    10 ms! wtf, that's terrible, this machine is turning out to be anything but pro.

    Massive latency and only responds on one midi channel, glad i sold mine before too many people realise.
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    I'm having issues with this as well... MPC X seems to have a very unstable MIDI CLOCK OUT signal... causes issues when sync'ing to external devices. Would be really nice if the MPC had better MIDI functionality... ie: stable MIDI clock output, mutitimbral MIDI channel capability,... y'know, the stuff that was considered standard on an MPC about twenty years ago ;)
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  • Hey everybody,

    MIDI clock timing was improved in MPC firmware version 2.1 so I want to make sure that everyone in this thread has updated their MPC's firmware to the latest version which is currently 2.3. You can download the firmware update from your Akai Pro account as well as the MPC's product page. This knowledge base article will walk you through the update process:

    Akai Pro MPC X and MPC Live - Firmware Update 2.3 Walkthrough

    More information about the changes made to MIDI clock at firmware version 2.1 can be found here.

    I hope that's helpful!
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  • Thanks Nick,
    Is there any update on the Multi-timbral problem?
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    Today I retry the test with MPC Live firmware 2.3.
    I measured 12ms MIDI latency.

    I remind that is the gap between MIDI input Note On event and effective audio out, like use MPC Live as an hardware sampler/MIDI expander.
    It's not a MIDI Clock/Sync problem.

    Waiting for a hypothetical 2019 MIDI performance update...
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    I'm using 2.3, but still have issues when using MPC X as MIDI Master unit. Specifically, when I slave my RC-505 loop pedal to the MPC X, I run into issues... The RC-505 is constantly warping and stretching my loops based on the MPC clock input... seems the MPC does not generate a stable clock, or perhaps its just in how the MIDI beat clock out is implemented on the MPC? ie: timing of the 24ppqn clock events / MIDI song position pointers / continue messages, etc...

    I'm getting a ton of drift whenever I use MPC as a master for timing sensitive applications (ie: controlling another looper pedal or secondary sequencer) .. At this point I can't even use it as master clock generator, which is unfortunate, as the MPC should be the centerpiece of my MIDI setup. (and of course the lack of multi-timbral MIDI funcationality further limits usage)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIDI_be...
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    • Great, thanks for the insight! After loosing way too much time with struggling against a lagging MPC, an external clock will be the solution to link the MPC tight to Logic.

      The AU plugin in Logic ain't really useful in the phase of creating a song, as you loose all the MIDI output functionality (even not working via 'DAW' output).

      Now the AU plugin is only useful to get the audio in stems directly, without having to bounce from the MPC, or to resample stuff...
    • I think they want everything to be ableton link but it wont send midi data. Im hard wired from my mpc live to the akai force and the timing is late as well . the old mpc stand alone like the 2000xl did not have this midi issue . I used to be able to midi anything but now i cant midi 2 devices by the same brand and company. there must be some new people working there that knows nothing about music . Cause akai wants our advice but wont use it to make the units right. the give us updates of what they think is good but forget about the peole paying alot of money for the crap they pushing with faulty updates . and we wait for yrs for them to get it right.
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    thats really an unacceptable amount and definitely not pro !
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    Hi everybody,

    Today I retry the test with MPC Live firmware 2.5.0.
    I measured 9.56 ms MIDI latency (459 samples at 48KHz).

    I remind that is the gap between MIDI input Note On event and effective audio out, like use MPC Live as an hardware sampler/MIDI expander.
    It's not a MIDI Clock/Sync problem.

    Waiting for a hypothetical 2019 MIDI performance update...
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  • Beat Wilson
    This is in hardware without a computer?

    Yes. Standalone mode.

    Test process :
    1 - Send MIDI note from DAW to MPC Live MIDI In, and recording MPC Live Audio Output sound on DAW Track 1 (use fast attack Bass Drum sound).
    2 - Send MIDI note from DAW to MIDI In of an old reference MIDI hardware Expander (same DAW/MIDI setup and cable as MPC Live), and recording MIDI Expander Audio Output's sound on DAW Track 2 (use fast attack Bass Drum sound).
    3 - Compare time gap between recorded audio on Track 1 (MPC Live) and recorded audio onTrack 2 (Expander).

    This test is absolut, with an old MIDI hardware Expander as reference, and is independent of DAW audio latency because it's differential measurement.
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  • According to your test setup, I assume you made sure, that the MIDI information is definitely sent via the MIDI cable and not via Bluetooth or the like?

    I experienced the same kind of latency, when I played on my MIDI controller keyboard, which was connected to the MPC Live over Bluetooth-MIDI.

    When I hardwired the keyboard and the MPC, the latency was still there because the two devices were still communicating over Bluetooth. I had to change the MIDI settings on my controller keyboard. And I turned Bluetooth off completely on the MPC, just to be sure.

    Latency is completely gone now. So I figure, the latency in your setup is not a MPC Live in-built problem.
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    Funky Dani
    According to your test setup, I assume you made sure, that the MIDI information is definitely sent via the MIDI cable and not via Bluetooth or the like?

    Bluetooth is disable on my MPC Live, I don't use it.
    MIDI information is definitely sent via the MIDI cable.
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  • I seen this video called Hybrid Dj by Akai . So i made a trip to the guitar center and bought what they have in the video with this force and i added a mpc live . So far nothing is holding up to Akai name and my studio is all Akai all the way down to akai Alto Mixer And everything else. This is a big let down for me cause i had big hopes of using this force And im not a ableton user.only program i use is Logic Pro. Protools, Reasons, And Akai 2.6 ...when ever that comes out..
    Should i just Return it? I only had it a week and all i hear is bad news about it.
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  • Funky Dani
    Have you also tried switching the MIDI ports on your DAW's audio interface for the two devices (MPC and expander) to rule out any strange behavior of the interface?
    The only other thing I can think of is, that the sound you're playing on the MPC is a heavily real-time processed sample, which causes the latency simply in the audio processing.

    I use the same MIDI port (it's the only one), wich works great with any others hardware.
    For the test I simply use a mono bass drum sample, without any real-time processing.
    Test your MPC Live with my process, and make a feedback here.
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    • Its a piece of hardware, it works with whatever the manufacturer says it works with. Do you go buy some Ableton specific controller like the Push and then complain when it doesn't work right in Logic? If you thought you could use Komplete with it, you obviously didn't do your research as its made pretty clear both the Force and Live aren't Mac/Windows DAWs and are their own thing. Only the MPC Software can. The Force is a piece of standalone hardware running its own OS, just like the MPC is. It lives in its own ecosystem.
    • I'm not a ableton user at all. That's my point. I'm a Akai user. And it's your faulty products im working with.
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  • Deltank
    Test your MPC Live with my process, and make a feedback here.


    Unfortunately I can't reproduce your process, because I'm not using a DAW and I have no audio-interface at the moment.

    I'm routing the MIDI signal of my digital piano through my MPC and back to the MIDI-In of the digital piano. I have the internal sound generation of the piano turned off. I can play it in real-time without any audible latency.
    If I use the piano to trigger a keygroup program in the MPC over MIDI it also plays absolutely smooth.

    Sorry, I can't help any further...
    Good luck in finding a solution soon!
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    Akai is a joke after the disaster of the MIDI spec on the X and Live, people now know they designed those with fatal errors and that actually ALL customers can make a strong case for a refund.
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  • If Akai refuse to make these units user friendly to all daws , They are gonna lose money. i can take my units back and get something i want that works. The best solution i can come up with is make the force have its own program like the akai 2.6 and make it so each unit can go into computer mode as a AU OR VST. the force plugins are garbage. If they have plugins to play theres .It should take 3rd party plugins Like Kontatk and others . They are stuck on this clip bullshit and forgeting about the production side and connecting to all Daws just like 2.6 when ever that drops...the way i would use it in Logic is mpc as a instrument plugin and on my other monitor i would open the force program on a separate channel. they both will play in tempo together in logic pro. I would be able to track each other out right into logic or write a analog file into logic . The way they have it . I would be FORCED to buy Ableton to use it with a daw. and for that Price I rather take the unit back. They should of gave a copy of Ableton when i bought the unit for $1500 . Not go spend $700 more dollars for the software. This is bullshit.
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  • Then why did you buy a standalone workstation expecting 100% integration with a DAW as a plugin? This was never guaranteed and nowhere in any of the ad copy was it inferred that it worked inside a DAW as a plugin. Nobody is FORCING you to go buy Live. The Force was made to be used ON ITS OWN, you get export to Live as a bonus. They didnt even have to bother with doing that, since the Force is supposed to stand on its own.

    Do people not do ANY research before they buy stuff nowadays? If you wanted a software solution, you shouldve bought an MPC Studio. You bought a Live and a Force, those were made to be STANDALONE PRODUCTION CENTERS.

    The fact that you can somewhat use them with a DAW is beside the point. Its marketed and was designed to be its own ecosystem independent of any computer. Its YOUR fault for not reading before you dropped $1000 on a product. People are aware of what an MPC is right? I mean the thing has been around since what 1988 and its never been a computer device, its ALWAYS been its own MIDI/sampling workstation. The new one aint no different, its just fancier and finally comes with more than 64MB of RAM and no floppy drive.
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    That's where your wrong the force does not come with the memory that it say in the specs. Just face it. Akai messed up by dropping a unit that is not ready. And the ad say produce and mix. As a producet that include 3 party vst. Instead of the garbage you have in the unit. . You guys dropped the ball. And got your heads up your ass. And maybe I should write to somebody that's higher than you. And get money back and call better Business Bureau. Everything you guys post is a lie and fake news. And as a customer I deserve better than this.
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  • Actually all an ad saying 'produce and mix' means is you can produce and mix with it. It doesn't say you can do it YOUR way, it says you can do it ITS way. You can produce and mix on a Tascam portastudio too. Doesn't mean its got or even needs VST support does it? I can produce and mix on an Otari/Sony/MCI/Ampex/etc.. Those didnt have plugins either?? Neither did any MPC hardware before it. You shouldve got the software instead.

    Nowhere was this promised, Akai hasn't lied about anything on this front. You got em on the RAM, that was BS to advertise 2GB thats mostly taken by the OS. They 'fixed' that and reworded the specs.
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  • Nothing has been fixed cause you guys wont drop the uodate to tell what you fixed and didnt. So far Akai is all talk cause there are 1000's of people will agree you have big problems with your gear. Period. Drop 2.6 and 3.0.3 and get some real feedback cause for right now you guys aint showed us jack. except midi latency and errors.
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  • If you fixed it . Fine...Drop The update and prove it....
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  • I hear that. Im waiting for it too. Its one of two things.. They either found a last minute bug or two (this is possible, Ive seen it happen at work myself), or its coming out Monday. Usually companies will say its been pushed back because of bugs if something like that happens so I think Monday was the day all along.

    Dan left hints about it on another forum last week, which points to Monday for the release. I dont think the NAMM show this weekend has anything to do with it because this is the 'nobody' NAMM show. Big folks like Akai dont announce releases here, thats the big show in Anaheim in January that happens at. (Remember when they showed the Force with working Ableton stuff on it hah)

    They probably wanted to wait until theyre all back in the office before releasing it. If they would've put it out on Thursday or Friday and then the dev team left for Nashville for the weekend, they would have nobody to get hot fixes or any patches ready if it was released and broke something right away. I mean you guys see, the bottom level support team doesn't even work the weekends here, no way the upper level employees work on Saturdays and Sundays.

    Im getting plenty of work done in 2.5 but I really cant wait til next month when they start the public beta testing program so we can play with this stuff right away and get it working properly.
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  • I have the same problem, i try to send midi clock from mpc, checking the counter on elektkron. At 1, 17, 33, 49 etc. the clock change instantly from -100 bpm  to +100bpm and then normal. On a midi thru box I noticed, at the same moments, midi signal loss. The result is latency on first measure each16. Usually latency increases proportionally to the number of midi channels I use, if I use only samples the problem is very small. In the hope that Akai make something, i reduced the more unpleasant conseguence by sampling kik....





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