Serious drawback of VIP: no switching of instances when you switch a DAW track

Hi. I have an Advance 61 for a few months now, working mainly in the studio (so no live performances) and wanted to share some of my thoughts about it in order to help AKAI to make it even better. The idea is fantastic and in many aspects this is a great software.

BUT there is a main drawback, that makes my daily studio work a nightmare actually. And (for now) I finished barely using it at all. Here is why:

From my point of view I was shocked to realize, that as soon as you start working with more than one VIP instance, your workflow gets very complicated by the simple fact, that you MUST remember to manually switch to the corresponding instance of VIP when you switch the track in a DAW. WHAAAAT?

Yes. In the beginning I payed the bitter price of ruining some of my work because after switching the track in a DAW, when I started to change any parameter on the keyboard I was still changing it on the other track.

We - sequencer quys - are used to the simple workflow: switch the track to control the instrument assigned to this track, right? Not here unfortunately.

IF you forget to manually switch to the right instance of VIP after switching the track, you will be punished by editing something completely different than you want messing up your work eventually.

That is so weird and contra-productive! Imagine I have 3, 4 ,6, 8 instances: how am I suppose to find myself in it? Which instance was it again? Was it this one or the fifth one...... You cant work fast and efficiently that way AKAI, sorry.

Now, to be constructive, what is my suggestion: even if there should be reasons to leave it the way it is, why not build an option " Change instance on changing a track" (or similar, sorry for my English) in the VIP settings? That would be a lifesaver option for many of us I suppose. Dear AKAI guys, would you consider adding it to your pipeline for the next VIP releases?

Again - this is a really cool software and I love the idea of combining all the presets of all instruments in one interface - so congrats here. I hope you can make it even better. Thanks!
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    That would be a good feature, but I wonder if they are restricted by the host Daw because I remember in Kore 2 (by native instruments) that you had to manually switch also. I wonder if Komplete Kontrol is able to switch instances automatically or if it operates like the advance keyboard.
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  • Thanks for posting!

    I agree with Jonespnice here, but I do see where you're coming from. This would likely require the DAW to communicate something specific to the controller or even just the plugin, but that wouldn't be as easy as it sounds.

    Maybe if VIP could recognize which instance was being played it could switch automatically? But that may got complicated when playing more than one instance.

    Whatever the solution, I'm happy to pass along a feature request for you! it certainly seems like a no-brainer as far as features we would like to see in the software, but I'm sure the question is more about how feasible it is to implement.

    In other news, another user on the forum was able to make a script for Reaper that did something similar for him. Check out the post here:

    http://community.akaipro.com/akai_pro...

    It looks like he uses his Advance to switch which instance is being controlled and that makes reaper jump to select that track. if you're a Reaper user, this may be exactly what you need!

    Let me know if you have any questions!
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  • HI, I am that user who made the reaper script :)


    I also made a feature request to expose the "select instance for kb control" (the little chain link button in the hip guide) as a vst parameter, as then I could extend my script to do what is asked in this thread.

    The value of the parameters could be the index of keyboard...

    Say, who has more than 128 advance keyboards anyway... ;)
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  • Hi Ulf! Yeah, I searched the forum before writing this post and saw your script. It's actually what inspired me to write this in the first place! :) I thought: if an "ordinary user" (sorry :)) can provide such a patch for one platform, then even more shall it be doable for AKAI for all other platforms :)

    The thing is, this feature is really significant in the daily workflow. The lack of it is like if you would buy a great luxury car, which has absolutely everything BUT the air condition :) As soon as you start driving, you will realize, you can't feel comfortable with all the bulid-in stuff because of the lacking AC. It's just essential.

    The same here: what good are all those other goodies without the essential one? And on the other hand: would it be provided, It would immediately be rendered to the main go-to tool in my DAW.
    My 3 cents.

    Corey, Jonespnice - thanks for you responses as well!
    • BTW: I'm on Cubase unfortunately
    • Slawek,

      You should know that Reaper is a special case. That DAW is designed around user customization and thus is a bit more available to this sort of thing. There are a lot of politics that go into Akai building and distributing patches that change the way a third-party DAW functions, especially for large, well-rooted companies like Steinberg, AVID, and Apple.

      Regardless, your analogy makes it sound like this is impossible from the keyboard, whereas in reality it would simply take some easy mapping and an additional button press. Don't forget that by just pressing, SHIFT + CONTROL on the Advance you can separate it from VIP temporarily so you can map it to your DAW, (i.e. map your buttons to enable/disable your VIP tracks.) Just make sure the switches are assigned to CC values (use the Cubase preset) and then use the Device Setup to customize your mapping. If you're unsure how to do this, check out the guides below:

      Mapping Advance/VIP in Cubase

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeNyL...

      Don't forget that you also have options to run a full Multi's worth of plugins at a time from a single instance of VIP, and each plugin can be routed to it's own track in Cubase. See the guide above again for more info on multi-output routing in Cubase.

      In the end, I agree that this would be a beautiful feature, but again the question is: "is this really feasible?" I wouldn't be able to confirm either way, but with all the routing and customization options you get in VIP, I'm a firm believer that there are some very simple solutions around this once you get to know the software and start to build your personal setup.

      Let me know if you have any questions about setting this up!
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  • How is NI doing it with Komplete instances in Cubase, Logic and Live?

    After having a S49 for one day and still considering an Advance49, I must admit this is the most important feature of all to doing studio work. The DAW's track change triggering a change of focus in VIP.

    It has relegated many of my favorite hosts, DP9, Studio One and Reaper to second class status. Yes, it's that much better when the instances keep themselves in sync with tracks.

    I came here to see if Akai had done a better/worse job of syncing tracks and instances and it sounds like worse.
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