Sidechain on MPC live?

hi, is there a way to sidechain a bass sample to a kick drum or other pad within the MPC Live to make the bass duck out? or can the effect be achieved with another technique? thanks
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  • All I'm going to say right now is:

    A lot of you (like myself) will be very satisfied with Mother Ducker, and the rest of you not so much... ;)

    *Goes back to making this Lo-Fi/Boom Bap album*

    https://www.facebook.com/IAmProfessor...
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    Fascinating...

    What most people won‘t realise is that we didn‘t get sidechaining. What we got is a commonly used effect, usually acheived by applying a kick sidechain to a compressor. But we didn‘t get sidechaining.

    However, I guess nobody cares...
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    • @PSOUND my understanding is that the Mother Ducker Input takes to the audio signal from whereever you insert it, and produces the (low resolution, probably 1kHz sample rate) control signal which is fed to one of the Mother Ducker Buses.
    • hi oli@bass it's true even if i would call that general feature probably CV control - and that's an endless rabbit hole. if we got CV control on every parameter it would pretty much turn the MPC FX system into a modular. that would be dope, but also ridiculously confusing. i agree with you though that the ducking solution Akai found seems rushed and not really well thought out with respect to generalisation.
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  • I’m online
    @SideChainPROs

    No PRO here concerning side chaining, but can provide a full MPC/Force project.
    All synthetic sounds/no samples/50kb (BD/SD/HATS/CYMBAL/FX/BASS/LEAD)
    PRJ includes 8 instrument tracks covering drums, bass and lead (all tube synth).

    MPC Project (Google Cloud Drive): The MPC project (.zip/standalone+software).
    https://tinyurl.com/drumsynth-sidecha...

    Project Sound (SoundCloud): The exported sound of the above project (16 bars).
    https://soundcloud.com/mpcsound/drums...

    Project Info (You Tube Video): 1 Minute info - the drums are the same (synth not)
    https://tinyurl.com/drumsynth-hiphop

    Dunno where this initiative leads and who gets involved. For an exchange to the
    forum (do your side chaining and re-upload to the forum) one needs a cloud drive.
    Easiest might just be: https://wetransfer.com (free and quick)

    Curious to see what happens. Just let's do it and find out (..or fu##ing leave it).

    PSOUND

    Below is an info of the zip file content (see "sidechaince" link above). Clean stuff!

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  • You can't find this comment above because he erased it he is a coward:

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  • Can you read Elmer Fudd Cooke?

    Where did I ask to promote my music????

    As everyone can clearly see, I offered to help Akai to identify artists they should be looking at. I stated the fact that I am a staple in both cultures who is connected to more than a few artists in both genres.

    So again I ask you where do I say anything about my music.

    Once again you just exposed yourself as a LIAR, thank you for playing yourself...
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  • And for the record Elmer Fudd Cookie, I'm no damn coward. I still stand by the fact that you are a most disgusting LIAR. I deleted my comment because earlier, I realized that you weren't worth it, but since you're insisting on playing yourself, fuck it, I'm gonna help you out. So please do come at me with whatever bullshit so I can expose you for the idiot that you are...

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    If you are so special, why are you arguing with a novice music maker like myself? You shouldn't have time to complain so much about ageism, and other trivial "parlor tricks" such as side-chaining. A professional does not resort to name-calling a kin to 3rd grader either. Elmer is my name, It's been for while, why would you go there? Next you will be calling out my race or gender. Bully tactics only work on children. I'm done here. Side-chaining works great. Thanks Akai!
    • Elmer, you are the one who started all this negative shit and you LIED several times, you are a LIAR and I'm putting you on blast for LYING. Maybe you should have never LIED on me.

      I haven't posted any links to my albums or any of my endorsement deals or any of that.

      I tried help and people like you got mad at me and called me names harping on my age and I spanked you for being the spoiled little brats that you are.

      You're a nut, probably the kinda guy that would shoot up a mall or high school the way you're stalking me.

      Why because I exposed you for being a LIAR???

      Toughen up kid and walk away or I'm going continue helping to expose you for the punk you are...
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  • So Elmer Fudd Cookie, you do realize that you just exposed yourself for the LIAR that you are right?

    You claimed that I asked Akai to promote my music and I challenged you to show me where I said anything about promoting my music and yet again you attempt to deceive everyone with your bullshit.

    For everyone to see what a LIAR Elmer Fudd Cookie is: Here are the two posts he's trying to make seem like one topic. Again this idiot played himself...

    01. I made a post about wanting to see boom bap and lo-fi artists who use the MPC make official videos for Akai. https://getsatisfaction.com/akai_prof...

    02. I made another post about wanting Akai and Waves to work together on supporting each other's products, especially for VIP and MPC.

    I simply said "hire me and I will get the job done", meaning whatever it takes to get Waves plugins and virtual instruments to work in VIP and MPC software which I use in my daily work life then I will do it so other users like myself who own MPCs and VIP can enjoy their waves products to the fullest extent.

    https://getsatisfaction.com/akai_prof...

    So again Elmer Fudd Cookie, where did I say anything to Akai about promoting my music????

    Please Elmer's Gluehead, continue exposing yourself for the LIAR that you are...


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  • @Pete Marriott @Elmer Cooke

    Not beeing the Akai thread police or whatever, but you are really bombing it t.b.h.

    PSOUND
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  • Thanks to @oli for pointing this out, I didn't know that "modulate anything" part.

    There's also a nice feature piece about side-chaining on ableton's blog:

    https://www.ableton.com/en/blog/sidec...

    Sorry if that's a captain obvious link everybody read already :)

    I guess once Akai introduces smth like a modulation matrix, there will be plenty of new ways to work with LFOs and other effects.
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    • Modulate anything isn't quite the correct word for what side chaining does. Modulation implies the manipulation of a parameter by means (and in proportional to) a signal. Side chaining applies to any dynamic effect, that is to say any effect where its function is dependent on the audio it's processing. In particular a dynamic effect will analyse the input in some way and set and change some internal parameter in response to that analysis (this is the dynamic aspect). In the case of a compressor the analysis is of the volume level and the parameter changed is the instantaneous compression ratio (which is hysteric to allow attack and release parameters). Side chaining sends the side chain signal to the analysis system and applies the resulting parameters to the main signal.

      Essentially rather than having a single audio input you have two. One input is the signal to process, the other is the side chain audio. If nothing is inserted into the side chain, the audio being processed is routed to the side chain input (i.e the audio is affected by itself as is the case in the absence of a side chain input). When the side chain input is inserted the audio on the side chain is used to set the parameters to process the main audio input. A classic example would be to put your bass parts on one bus and everything else on another. You'd insert a compressor on your "everything else" bus and side chain it from your bass bus (with both buses routed to master). In this case when the bass sounds the compressor attenuates everything except the bass. This is the classic 'ducking' effect that the mother ducker provides. Depending on the parameters it can be anything from mild to a strong 'pumping' sound.

      Considering what it makes sense to side chain: any dynamic effect. This excludes most effects commonly used on sends. Effects that you might use it with are gates, limiters, compressor, dynamic EQ, transient shaper, auto filters (e.g wah), vocoders and anything else you can thing of that reacts dynamically to audio.

      As for what mother ducker does. Since the volume changes associated with compression (attack and release times) are long compared to sample rates it doesn't require the full resolution audio signal for analysis. It is suggested here (and likely) that it uses a significantly downsampled version of the signal and hence the 'motherducker input' buses aren't actually true audio rate buses (that you could playback) but simply carry enough information for the purposes of compression. The same approach could be applied to other dynamic effects but the implementation would have to be considered on a per case basis. For example some effects need to know about the spectral content of the signal which is significantly reduced in fidelity during downsampling. In contrast in a DAW side chain support on plugins means receiving the full audio signal allowing for arbitrary composition.

      Anyway, I think this covers most of what matters to this conversation. MotherDucker offers a specific form of side chained dynamic compression, which is what many people were asking for when they said "side chaining". More generically side chaining is an approach to take information from one signal and use that in applying an effect to another.
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