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Using MPC Software Plugin and recording notes to the DAW sequencer from the MPC Studio pads

I know this has been discussed here before but I don't think it has been settled in a clear matter.

Am I to understand that over that past few years of dozens of updates no one has thought to change the way the MPC Software (and Essentials) VST Plugin interacts with DAW's (FL Studio 12 in my case)?

It seems unbelievable to me that I can't simply hit the pad to input the note into the FL sequencer without being in MIDI Mode. I don't want to use my MPC as a generic midi control, I have an Axiom keyboard to control MIDI data, and shouldn't have to switch back and forth between the regular MPC Modes (Prog Edit, Sample Edit, Prog mIxer, etc.) to adjust slices or whatever and to the MIDI Mode to record the notesinto the DAW sequencer. I understand I can input notes by hitting keys on my Axiom, but due to the classic MPC midi note order they are all over the place. Plus, you know, performing on the pads is a pretty important part of the MPC experience.

Also, to add to the benefits of this feature, it would allow the user to use note repeat, 16 levels and pad perform mode which as far as I can tell wouldn't by using MIDI control mode. Well, I guess 16 levels probably wouldn't work but pad perform should and it seems totally insane for Akai to think its ok to not be able to use note repeat as it's one of the features for which the MPC is known best.

From all I've found, it is impossible. I figured this would be a last ditch effort to get some information about this as I just don't understand how this has been missed for so long.

I do understand that some would prefer to sequence their notes within the MPC sequencer while inside a DAW but that is not an option for me (and I don't even get how that would be practical to some, tbh. Except if you just really want the MPC swwing or something). Why can't there at least be an option in the preferences that is just simply, "send midi data from pads to DAW".

Is this some technological limitation with the hardware? I mean, the pads light up and produce sound in FL Studio when hit, they just don't seem to send any MIDI information.

I sincerely hope to God I've been missing something or that this can be worked out in an update. Just really bums me out as I started producing for years on a hardware MPC 2500 and loved it but simply needed the power of DAW production to compete nowadays Also, FL Studio's piano roll is such a more advanced, useful sequencer, imo. I still use the MPC standalone software sometimes but really just on small, simple boom bap beats or whatever because it is still not stable enough. My ideal setup/workflow is using FL to host and sequence all of my plugins and always use the MPC/MPC Essentials plugin for my drums and samples as just a sample/sound editor/slicer etc.

On a whole seperate topic, why is it that only one instance of the plugin is possible when I can use unlimited instances of Essentials and 10 instances of Omnisphere or Diva or other very cpu intensive plugins? Just curious.

Anyway, sorry for the long rant about this but it really would lead to my dream scenario and just seems like such a great enhancment, honestly.

Thanks for your hard work on helping the community and making the producs better for everyone.

-Michael
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  • Corey S (Official Rep) March 30, 2016 19:18
    HI Michael,

    Thanks for posting.

    To be honest, it sounds like you may not need something like the MPC Studio and maybe just need a simpler MIDI controller.

    The Studio, Renaissance, Touch and even the Element work exclusively with their software. Imagine it like you're taking the operating system/brain out of your 2500 and putting it on a computer screen. You still get the MPC workflow and functionality, except that you now have this visual display of everything that's happening on your screen. Not to mention better and immediate integration with your DAW.

    You can take the studio away from it's brain (MIDI control mode) but at that point you're missing all the great features and workflow. So if you want to use the MPC Studio just with FL Studio and not the MPC software, than why have a studio?

    The software/hardware is designed, like the original hardware MPCs, to be an entire production unit. You can do everything necessary to make a beat just with the Studio and the standalone software. BUT, with the MPC software, there is the added benefit of being able to route tracks out to your DAW to combine with audio tracks and to mixdown.

    I'm not sure if you've noticed, but MPC offers virtual outputs that can simply be routed to tracks in your DAW. So only one instance is ever necessary. You're putting together your sequences, adding programs and instruments, stringing together the sequences in song mode and routing all of your tracks out (either drum program tracks or entire programs) to audio tracks in your DAW. MPC Essentials only has one track, thus it's necessary to allow multiple instances.

    The idea here is that you'll use MPC for the bulk of your production, as you would have with an MPC2500. But in this case, all of the tracks, sequences, timing events, etc. will follow the transport and grid in FL Studio so your MPC tracks will play perfectly in time with everything in FL. There should be no need to export MIDI or Audio tracks except for personal workflow preference. But even exporting a sequence as audio or midi should be easier than ever with the new "Export Drag & Drop" buttons.

    And recording MIDI into FL Studio. Why not just record your sequence into MPC? I guess this would make sense if you are using FL native plugins and your track needs to be in FL, but otherwise it's just personal preference.

    I understand you may just be running into trouble or missing steps that are keeping you from utilizing the plugin correctly in Fl. If this is the case, than let me know where you are running into trouble and we can look into that.

    I hope this helps clarify and I am here to help you get this working to best supplement your current worklfow. Please let me know if you have any questions and I'll be happy to help.
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  • Hi Corey. I actually just posted a topic regarding MPC studio and Cubase 9 as I couldn't get it working. I managed to finally get it working however I ran into the same issues as Micheal where the MPC Studio would allow me to play the pads but would not record any MIDI. I have very limited knowledge and experience with any MPC hardware and I simply experimented with this. It seems easier to simply use the Studio as a stand alone piece of hardware and later export any audio into my prefered DAW (Cubase in my case). After reading this article I am interested in learning more about the virtual outputs you mentioned and how I would go about routing them into Cubase. If you have time please let me know about it Corey,thnx
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  • It doesn't make sense at all the way it is now.

    The MPC is not just a great sequenzer, it is also a great drum sampler. The plugin receives midi from the DAW and lets the DAW play it's DrumPrograms, but it does not let me use the Pads to play the Drums to be played by the DAW later.
    It is not consistent and could be changed so EASY if the MPC would simply send midi when the track is in "DRUM" mode.

    Look, I don't want to use the sequencer. I just want to use the sampler and sequence in the DAW. Why on earth would I open the plugin in a DAW if I would not sequence in the DAW? Really this makes a ton of sense and can't be done with a simpler controller.

    A simpler controller would force me to use a Drumsampler like battery. The pads layout never match, its a pain.

    Using the MPC-studio and the plugin makes sense because the pads always match the samples and I can use several banks. Its like battery with a 16x16 controller, but BETTEr.... Except NOT because I have to play the drums of the MPC from ANOTHER controller which of course doesn't match... really?
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  • Hey Michael! Now I have just now literally found a solution to this problem that's been bothering me ever since I bought the MPC Touch.... now I'm not sure whether you are able to do this on 1.9.x or older, but I am running the latest version of the 2.0.x BETA and man can I know sequence in Logic and record the notes using pads on the MPC as well as use the transport controls on MPC to control Logic.

    Go to (On MPC Plugin) Menu > Edit > Programm > Note Mapping and Hit CHROMATIC.

    Now what this does is that it maps all the notes in the program chromatically rather than in the weird nonsense MPC style order.

    And then simply put the MPC plugin into MIDI CONTROL MODE and you're good to go.
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  • Right and I have one more thing to add here.

    MPC Software as a sequencer is just a joke man, I'm sorry but it's just not good.

    I'm not even going to go into details here, but honestly, anyone who's ever used a proper DAW would know that editing notes, clips and everything on the MPC is just far more difficult and labour intensive.

    And I completely agree with Michael, I only want to use the MPC as a plugin. As a Sampler Plugin.. That's all.

    I like the pads and the fact that it has an audio interface built in. And also it has transport controls, so I think it's good. Having the ability to edit drum programs quickly on a separate screen to my computer is good.

    But man I can simply not make an entire track on MPC because it would take me probably about 2 years longer than normal.

    Also just an example of how poorly the software is designed. In key groups you have no portamento option. Why?? there's portamento in Logic's EXS24, not to mention Kontakt (obviously, Kontakt is super advanced).

    So yeah I would not mind to do more stuff on the MPC, but I don't think that with the current state of that piece of software it is possible, unless you still make beats sampling 40 year old records and use little to no processing on the drums, and don't get me wrong there's nothing wrong with that.
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  • I just put the mpc live plugin track midi to my fa06 or any other controller to record directly into the cubase piano roll hope this helps

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