double bass pedal on Crimson kit not registering properly

I recently purchased a double bass pedal (mechanically linked) and the hits are not all registering even when I'm playing at a moderate rate.....I'm using the felt beater side......Would spacing the beaters furtherest apart on the mesh head work or is there no way to even use this setup? Thanks !
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  • Hello Chris,

    Thanks for the post. You're problem is the felt beater. Felt kick pedal beaters will damage a mesh kick pad very quickly. Due to the added friction of the felt beater on the mesh pad the beater will eventually punch a hole in the head.

    We recommend using a kick beater made of a hard material such as plastic, wood or metal when using a mesh kick pad. Solid rubber kick pads work better with felt beaters but they should never be used on mesh.
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  • Same problem as Chris... except im using hard plastic beaters. second hit doesnt register. is there a sensitivity setting?
    • For you Benjamin, that just probably needs a sensitivity adjustment. The drum module lets you customize the settings of each trigger (drum pad or cymbal pad). You can change its parameters, letting you customize your kit to your playing style.

      These settings are “global” and therefore apply to all kits.

      To edit your trigger setting:
      1. Press Kit to enter the Kit Selection page (if you are not already viewing it).
      2. Press Menu to enter the Kit Menu.
      3. Use the Down and Up buttons to select Trigger, and then press Enter.
      4. Hit the pad whose voice you want to edit. The pad’s name will appear at the top of the display. Alternatively, use the Down and Up buttons to select the pad’s name at the top of the display, and then use the dial or Left () buttons to change it.
      5. The display will show the current trigger and its parameters. On this page:

      **To select a parameter you want to edit, use the Down and Up buttons (not all
      parameters are available for all pads):

      Sensitivity: The sensitivity of the head (center) of a drum pad. Higher values let you produce louder sounds with less force. Lower values require more force to produce quieter sounds.

      Rim Sens: The sensitivity of the rim of a drum pad. Higher values let you produce louder sounds with less force. Lower values require more force to
      produce quieter sounds.

      Head-Rim Ad: The amount of crosstalk reduction between the head (center) and rim of a drum pad. Higher values reduce the probability that the pad’s rim sound will be triggered when you play its head only and vice versa (due to the force being transferred through the pad). Don’t set this value too high, though! If this value is too high, you may not be able to trigger its sound if you intentionally play both the head and rim at the same time; it may be silenced because the module incorrectly interprets the hit as crosstalk.

      Threshold: The amount of force required to trigger the sound.

      Xtalk: The amount of crosstalk reduction. Higher values reduce the probability that the pad’s sound will be triggered when you play another pad (due to the force being transferred through a rack, through the floor, etc.). Don’t set this value too high, though! If this value is too high, you may not be able to trigger its sound if you play another pad at the same time; it may be silenced because the module incorrectly interprets the hit as crosstalk.
    • Thanks for all the help on this forum , i was about to give up on this kit after just a couple of hours . ... so helpful thanks. Again
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  • Hello I have adjusted the trigger setting and I am still having a hard time with my double bass pedal; Both beaters work good, I using the wood ones. But a lot of the time I do a double or triplet and it doesn't register the second beater.
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    • Thanks Johnny. This got my double bass pedal working nicely!
    • The problem is the "retrigger chance" setting not listed in the official responce in the trigger menu. By default it is 10 for the bass drum. Drop it down to 1 and I guarantee your problem will be fixed.
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    I know I'm late but all you guys have to do is run the cable from the kick tower to the "TOM 4" input on the module. It will take care of itself. Hope I helped.
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    • You could try putting it the symbol 4 slot if that's not occupied. I have no idea if theat works (haven't done it myself). Just experiment with the differnt line 4's and figure out what works. If that doesn't work, then do what Johnny says :

      "I had this problem on my crimson too. My second hit wasn't registering 80%of the time. I used these settings on the kick trigger and it went away.
      Menu/trigger/trig kick
      Sensitivity(16)
      Xtalk(16)
      Retrig cancel(01)"

      Or just adjust it to your liking and fiddle with it untill it works.
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  • This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Crimson kick pad dropping notes.

    Does anybody else have problems with the crimson kick pad triggering fast double bass? It's not my settings. Sensitivity is up, retrigger cancel is down and threshold is down. It's not my pedal either. It works fine on my acoustic kit. It's usually the second hit of a triplet or if I play steady double bass it'll just drop a note now and then. When I slow down it works fine. Super frustrated. Any help would be great. Also would switching to a Roland pad work?
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  • Plastic beaters. Have to try Tom 4 input after work. Will reply with how it works later. If not switching to Roland.
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  • So I tried Tom 4 input and it's the same results. I've spent hours on this messing with trigger settings, pedal adjustments, and tightened and loosened the mesh pad 50 times haha. It's either dropping notes (because retrigger cancel is too high) or retriggering every single hit of the beater (because retrigger is too low). Im wondering if a Roland would even make a difference. I gues the only answer is 2 kick towers? I really didn't want to lose an input. Especially when one of the deciding factors of buying this kit was alesis says it accommodates double pedals, which it does to a point. But not even close to as fast as I could play it on the 18 year old Roland my buddy owns. I'm asumming the crimson module is what is holding it back. If anybody out there has fixed this problem without a second tower and without retriggering single hits please help.
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  • You should be able to get it to work. I found that the kick drum is very light on that kick pad. As such it rocks back and forth enough to miss hits. I used ankle weights when I had mine to stop the rocking motion. I also find a tight head works better than a looser head. Instead of using the retrigger, try lowering that just to where you start getting double hits. Then instead of adjusting the retrigger slightly boost your threshold. I find many times that double hit was from a secondary bounce from the beater but its usually a much softer hit. A slight boost in threshold rather than retrigger was what I remembered worked for me. Just enough so that it wont register that second bounce. But not so much as to effect your normal playing. Also try to set your beaters slightly shorter but not directly over the trigger. Less leverage at the top of the drum means less rocking. And maybe consider using a lighter beater if you have some cave man clubs attached to your pedal.
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  • I ordered another kick tower. I'm going old school haha. It's not really rocking on me at all. Actually I was impressed with how little it moved compared to my buddy's td-6 and my daughter's nitro. I'll try the smaller beaters but the second pad is on its way. I'm just frustrated. I wish the wouldn't advertise it as double pedal compatible seeing as how you gotta fiddle with the thing for so long with no guarantee it'll work. I've talked to several people now who couldn't get it dialed in properly also. Maybe add an input and sell an expansion pack (kick, crash, Tom). I would've paid extra for it... I'm reeeeaaallly trying to like this kit. So close alesis. So close....
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  • Add a pro-x hi hat to that expansion pack and a setting for it in the module and you've got a 1400$ kit
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  • Good call with the small beaters! It's almost perfect.. I'd say 99% of the notes are triggering. I played through 2 of our songs and only noticed one missed hit. That easily could just be me getting used to the electronic kit. I tried every adjustment and combos of adjustments I could imagine with the pedal short of replacing the beaters. Luckily I remembered I had them in the bottom of a 5 gallon bucket of hardware. Thanks for the help. I'm definitely gonna suggest this fix to others who have this problem.. Still gonna use double pads tho. Just for piece of mind when I record. Thank you again.
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  • So my second kick tower came today. What a difference! It's night and day. It's so much better than trying to use a double pedal. It can handle anything I throw at it now.. And since I'm using Tom 4 input I can use a splitter and add another pad since the kick is single zone.. I went cheap and bought the kick pad from the nitro for 30$ plus 10$ shipping on ebay. If anybody is still having trouble with this I highly recommend adding another kick.
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