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HELP!! Extremely bouncy bass drum!

Hello guys

Just got my lovely Alesis Crimson Drumset delivered yesterday. Was spending the entire night on trying to resolve the "Bouncy Bass Drum" problem.

I tried to adjust my pedal's springs and position (Using a Pearl Eliminator Double Pedal) stuffs but the mesh head is just too bouncy. I've read online about similar issues but there don't seem to be any solutions. I highly doubt its the "Burying the Beater" issue as it is so bouncy that I can get 2-3 hits out of a single hard kick. I have tried adjusting the 4 lug drum screws but it doesn't helps.

Please help!
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  • How long is the beater on the pedal? Is it center on the bass pad?
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  • Great now theres another issue. Without any Xtalk on all , the cymbal arm produces Tom's sound and the Edge of the Tom produces the Ride Cymbal's Sound when hit. Is this entire Drumset just sent to me broken or what?
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  • Randy, 

    Please refer to this thread to assist with the bouncing on your kick drum. The issue you're experiencing with the cymbals is a symptom of crosstalk. Every time you strike a pad, the entire kit vibrates.  Vibrations travel through the rack and can sometimes trigger other pads.  This tendency is called 'cross-talk', and due to the physical nature of drums, it is unavoidable (even on an acoustic kit). The DM10 module comes prepared with a Crosstalk (or Xtalk) setting.  A more accurate description of this setting would be "crosstalk compensation", as there really isn't a way to prevent  the physical tendency for vibrations to travel.  This setting, however, uses an algorithm to separate intentional hits from unintentional crosstalk triggers; the result, when tweaked correctly, is that you only hear the sounds you want to hear.

    Most often these settings do not need to be adjusted.  In most cases when these settings need to be adjusted, you may be experiencing pads that are cancelling each other out and missing hits.  This is where the Cross-talk settings become important.  Simply adjusting the Xtalk settings from 7 to somewhere in the middle will resolve the symptom.

    To learn more about the DM10's Crosstalk settings and how to adjust them, follow the steps suggested below.

    1. From the main screen, press the EXT TRIG button.
    2. Use the CURSOR buttons to highlight the Input field.
      Once the Input field is highlighted, use the VALUE/TEMPO dial to choose the trigger you want to adjust.
      (ie. If you would like to adjust the main head area of the snare drum, choose SnrHd. If you want to adjust the snare drum rim area, choose SnrRim, etc.)
    3. Press F2 (TRIG).
      At this point you will notice two or three "Xtalk" settings depending upon which trigger you currently have selected.
      • Xtalk Rcv - describes the trigger's tendency to be triggered when an adjacent pad is struck.
      • Xtalk Snd - describes the trigger's tendency to cause adjacent pads to trigger when struck.
      • ZoneXtalk - affects how likely a dual-zone trigger is to cause crosstalk upon itself (ie - the Ride bell and Ride bow).
    4. Each setting can be adjusted from 0 - 7.
      Here is where it might get a little tricky. 
      • Since the setting is really 'Crosstalk Compensation', the higher the value, the less likely the pad is to send or receive any crosstalk.
      • Try to find the right balance (usually somewhere in the middle) with any problem pads, as well as their surrounding pads that are sending crosstalk.  It may be tempting to simply turn these settings all the way up; however, remember that the module is already using a smart algorithm to try to compensate for normal crosstalk.  If you turn it all the way up, you may find that it mistakenly mutes some of your strikes, writing them off as cross-talk.
    5. Once you have adjusted the Crosstalk settings, don't forget to save your settings.
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  • Other thing I found useful, dont over tighten the cymbal wing nuts. Leave then a bit loose to reduce xtalk when striking tom rims, but not to loose. Hope that helps
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  • Hello Bill R,

    Thank you for your reply Bill, but I would appreciate if you would take a minute to read through my posts before copying and pasting standard replies that I would have found myself (Trust me I tried). I'm not trying to be rude really, I'm just hoping that you're not seeing this as "just another issue" :) .

    Issue 1: Bounciness of drums: As I've mentioned, I already tried to adjust the Spring's tension. It doesn't helps.

    Also, changing the sensitivity doesn't help too, it's extremely bouncy, and every kicks i throw at it would have ALOT of rebound, at this rate I cant do double/triple kick strokes properly at all. I really hope you do understand that I'm not buying this drum set to merely accommodate to the technical issues it throws at me, it's supposed to work at the start with tweaks to accommodate me.

    Issue 2: Xtalk: As I mentioned, i am using an Alesis Crimson Drumset, not an Alesis DM10. The module is different and I do not find those options copied and pasted by you in my module. I do however, find the Xtalk function in my module and mentioned that I already made the adjustments (which didn't work too).

    @Carlos Escobar: Thank you for your input, but the situation remains grim. :(

    Regards,
    Randy
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  • Sorry you're still having issues, Randy. I would recommend getting in touch with your nearest Support Office for one-on-one assistance. You can find their contact information on that page.
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  • Randy, did you ever figure this out, because I have been pulling my hair out with the same problem.
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    • Hey John, i just saw your message, apologies for the delay in reply. I sold my drumset 1 mth later after my purchase. I've tried everything, nothing will significantly help in reducing the bounciness of the bass drum pad.It just didn't feel "natural" at the start right? I understand that E-drums are different from Acoustic, but this is just a... trampoline to start with. Thats what you feel right?

      Not any type (plastic/wood/rubber/felt) of beaters with patches. Nope, none of them would make your experience any better. You can loosen as much as you want and it's not gonna help (I've loosen it to the point where the cover is almost dangling there). Nothing here is gonna help you (I really mean it when i said i tried everything, i changed pedals, and asked a local drum-tech to try it out - its way too bouncy), and any further advice from Alesis is gonna end with blaming you for your inferior technique.

      I suggest you could either move on by replacing the bass drums with other bass drums that you can find on the market (for eg. Roland KD9 - there is no compatability issue from what i encountered so far).

      For me, i sold the entire set and moved on to another E.Kit, which made drumming great again.

      Just remember to do 1 thing, test out any new kits / bass pads that you're gonna buy at the store before u bag it home, i learnt it the hard way.

      Take care and remember its about having as much fun as possible with the right tools with your spare time. If you're spending too much time fretting over this, move on.

      Randy
    • I respectfully disagree having owned the kick drum in question in both mesh and mylar form. You seem to be overlooking something. And that is if there really was NOTHING that could be done. Then wouldn't everyone have this issue and not be able to resolve it?

      Lets try to not paint something as hopeless just because you were not able to achieve the results that so many others in fact have. One persons failure to achieve a favorable result doesn't disqualify the findings of those who have. Yet coincidentally it only takes one person to achieve that favorable result to prove that it in fact can be done.
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    Try increasing the head tension on the bass drum. Usually people will say to back the head off as much as you can to remove bounce. But I have been finding its the opposite. Tightening the head can compress the foam and make it rigid enough and the head tight enough that it removes the tramopoline effect. Your beater cant dig in enough to have a rebound effect. Also if you are using a plastic beater try using a rubber or even a felt beater. But with the felt beater make sure to use a patch on your kick to make sure it wont damage the head.
    • Thanks for helping out, Tim! The only thing I would like to add is that we do not recommend using felt beaters. These will cause a lot of friction on the mesh and will tear through the mesh.
    • Yes. Which is precisely why I recommended the use of a patch. Kick drum head patches are available from a wide variety of brands and protect the mesh head from damage as it provides a protective surface in which the beater hits instead of the head. And they have not been shown to reduce the effectiveness of the triggering of the bass drum. That way, people can use whatever beater they want at no risk to their equipment.
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