How expandable is the Strike Pro kit? Anything like a DM10 with Trigger|iO module and splitters?

Hello,

So for the first time in almost 20 years I went and played some drums this weekend, a real Tama set as well as an electronic kit which I will not mention the name of. Now I have the itch.

I see that the Alesis Strike Pro kit is new to the market, and that Alesis also had a DM10X series out previously.

If I were to buy a set of electronic drums I would want a very large kit either right off the bat or at least that I could eventually expand upon to something along the lines of what this guy has going on with his DM10 kit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjGbD...

and perhaps more, the ability to add more small drums/pads for high-sounding drums (think small roto-toms, octobans, timbales, etc. on an acoustic/real kit).

It has been a very long time but I was a serious drummer back in the day (20-30 years ago) and basically gave it up because there was nowhere to play quietly and playing acoustic drums and cymbals with muffler pads on them... well it sucks. :) Back then it was basically Simmons or Roland for electronic drums, they were not impressive to me, and they were way out of my budget anyway.

I can see that you can more or less get there with a DM10 setup. However I understand that this is yesterday's news sorta, getting less easy to find now and buying them used may or may not be a good idea.

So -- the questions:

Can I built a kit as large the guy in this video has with a Strike module, or starting from a Strike Pro kit?

If the Strike module can't handle all this, Could I just use the module to get MIDI notes from all the different drums and cymbals etc. into the PC and run it with EZ Drummer 2 or a similar VST?


I have Ableton Live I'd be working with for DAW work.

I'm not sure whether the Strike can handle mutli-zone toms the same way as the DM10 apparently could where you could put a splitter cable on and connect 2 drum pads to get 2 different sounds. Any idea?

Will a Trigger|iO or the ddrum MIDI trigger interface work with a Strike module?

Thanks,

Forty Years Gone
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  • Hello,

    Thanks for posting. 

    Can I built a kit as large the guy in this video has with a Strike module, or starting from a Strike Pro kit? 
    I'm not sure whether the Strike can handle mutli-zone toms the same way as the DM10 apparently could where you could put a splitter cable on and connect 2 drum pads to get 2 different sounds. Any idea? 
    The Strike Pro Kit has 4 additional Tom inputs that can be used for connecting additional pads, such as toms. As far as splitting the outputs with a Y-cable, this is not something that we've tested, nor officially support. 
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  • OK. So I would be on my own basically. There is no MIDI implementation chart (apparently). No official support of 2 single-zone pads on a splitter plugged into a dual-zone tom jack. IT WASN'T EVEN TESTED. And no answer to my question about whether an Alesis Trigger|iO -- same brand product -- can work with the module.

    You know, I can't quite put my finger on it.... But for some reason I am just not feeling an uncontrollable urge to rush out and shove thousands of my hard-earned dollars into Alesis' hands to jump on the Strike Pro bandwagon.

    I mean, if I'm going to be on my own anyway, then I might as well drop my coin on gear I know will get me where I want to go. Alesis should be able to tell me whether the Strike Pro can do these things or not. If you want me to test it out with no official support and tell you what it can and can't do with your own accessories and branded products, then you can send me the gear for free and let me keep it for doing your job for you. I don't hand money over to be a guinea pig.

    I have no trouble believing there are people lining up to buy the Strike Pro, and that's fine if that's enough pads and cymbals for them. I need more. So I'll keep looking.

    peace out
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  • Sorry I missed that question. The Strike Pro kit can be interfaced with any standard MIDI device, as it features both MIDI-In and MIDI-Out ports. 
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  • This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Strike pro extra cymbals/ splitters ?.

    So I've just finished setting up my strike pro, and have added my DM10 cymbals as extras.
    How would I go about splitting the 4 Tom rims to use for the extra 4 cymbals ? I've read about the drum splitter cables, but there's little or no info' on whether this works for alesis kits, or how well. Pus at £20 a cable its quite an expensive gamble to take to just buy them and hope they work ! And I've already spent enough on this kit, not to mention the hi-hat stand I now need to buy as it isn't included !

    The other way I've read about is to link my DM10 module to my strike pro via midi out, but again very little info' to go off for someone who doesn't know anything about it. I am planning on running it through ez drummer or suoerior at some point, so wouldn't mind if the answer laid within that.

    Would massively appreciate any help, I know people have already done this, just need more info on the subject.

    Thank you kindly,
    Ste
    • Please see my posts above for more information. Thanks!
    • What are the 4 spare Tom ports you mention on the strike module ?
      I know there's the direct audio outputs for connecting to an external mixer for studio use etc. but as far as I know they can not be used indipendantly as extra channels to connect extra gear to.
      At this price you really would expect a couple of spare ports on the module.

      Non of the brief replies that have been given even remotely answer my question, which is the second time I've asked it on this forum. This feels like trying to get blood from a stone.
      As I said in my question, I have no experience of hooking up a module to a p.c or to another module, both of which I know CAN be done.
      I have no idea what gear I would need to purchase or how to set it up, so I have no idea where to start.

      I'm going to be a bit annoyed if I have to shell out more money on seprate gear to to add a few extra cymbals, I already have to buy a separate hi-hat stand as that wasn't inc' for some reason, on a 2 grand kit !

      It's getting quite annoying now with the lack of info around this and alesis in general, I thought alesis themselves would actually be able to provide a concrete answer but no. Yet there's an abundance of knowledge and info that's shared between the roland community, but when it comes to alesis it seems to be a case of just having to try it out and hope that it works, which is an expensive game to play. And alesis of this on top of the extra 5 weeks I've we've had to wait for the shipping, with no prior warning, and all of the other problems that surround this kit.
      Starting to question sticking with alesis now :/

      Really, all I want to know is how to connect my srltrike pro module and my DM10 module together, and have them running through say ez drummer or superior. A nice little list of gear needed would be nice so I don't have to guess. I can't find a solid answer for this anywhere !

      Thanks
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  • Bill R. thank you for responding again, but you're not really answering my questions. Digging up one or more other posts where somebody else asked the same or similar unanswered questions and pasting them here does not answer the questions.

    It isn't that I couldn't find other people asking the questions here. What I NEED are the answers...

    Look, I could understand if I walked into one of the 2 Guitar Center's or the Sam Ash store here and asked the first sales person I saw in the drums section how large of an electronic kit I could expand a Strike Pro into, or whether I could plug a Trigger|iO full of extra pads and cymbals up to it with a MIDI cable, map each of the extra MIDI notes from the Trigger|iO to configurable sounds on the Strike Pro, and build one or more custom kits on the Strike Pro out of ALL of the pads and cymbals connected (either through direct inputs or MIDI interface). Or whether I could just MIDI OUT *ALL* of the MIDI notes (native + Trigger|iO input) into a PC and kit those MIDI notes up on a VST like Easy Drummer 2. They may or may not know.

    But I think it is very reasonable to expect the company that designed and manufactured the equipment to be able to tell me what its capabilities are.

    Also, being able to plug a Trigger|iO into a Strike module using a MIDI cable, and the Strike being able to UNDERSTAND, MAP, USE and CONFIGURE the extra MIDI notes with its own triggers into custom user-definable kits from both sources are two different things.

    I wasn't asking whether I can physically attach a MIDI cable between the MIDI Out of a Trigger|iO and the MIDI In of the Strike module.

    Ka-peesh?

    Simple questions. Alesis should be able to answer them. If Alesis hasn't tested these scenarios, THEN MAYBE YOU SHOULD.

    I have other questions that would have to be answered before I could justify buying a Strike Pro setup - like whether I can use other cables to connect the pads up to the module because the cables included in the kit can't reach all my tom pads or where I would want my effects cymbals to be. Or whether the cage that comes in the kit can handle extra stuff being added to it, and how configurable the positioning of the pads/drums are. Or how acoustically loud the pads are. But these are a questions for another topic.
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  • The Strike module allows Midi thru so you could possibly trigger extra sounds in a VST with an add-on Trigger I/O or equivalent DDTI trigger interface: http://www.ddrum.com/query?upc=819998...

    Also check out some related info at: http://www.alesisdrummer.com/index.ph...

    In most of the Strike preset kits just the Kick-2 trigger input is spare without any assigned instrument sound.
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  • Boy am I glad for my DM10! It is maxed out and I am reasonably content! More pads? Yes! I would like more pads, about 5 to 7 4" pads that I can reach ok on a third rail I could add and hooked up to a separate module full of samples not on the DM10 Module. I could send the output of this 2nd. module to the second input of my Transactive 400! Then just use the amp or the headset jack on the amp. C'mon Alesis - get the engineers to hit the design board. You can hook up 5 to 7 4" triggers in a fancy module with your eyes closed! Just make sure the samples are not duplicates of what we already have!
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  • Here's another topic with more info: http://www.alesisdrummer.com/index.ph...

    It's one of the DM10's advantages compared to some of Strike's limitations.
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  • Moral of the story: If you want to add triggers beyond what the Strike Pro kit comes with, buy a better drum kit/module; the Strike Pro isn't for you.
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  • Hi Cradiak -

    Yep, that is the conclusion I came to around the time of my last post to this thread.

    Seeing what I have seen from $MFGR here in these forums (and there are a lot of brands of InMusic owned products here, including M-Audio, Akai "Professional", etc.) I am not making any "favorable" assumptions about anything made by these companies. If I cannot find multiple people stating something I am looking to be able to do with $BRAND $PRODUCT works or can be done with info about how to do it, and cannot get clear, non-evasive answers to simple questions from the manufacturer on their own forums, the money stays in my wallet.

    There are just too many problems I have run into with my very limited time/exposure to InMusic brands to trust them by default. Example: Arturia V-Collection 5 (or 6, 2 years later...) and VIP software...

    Like so many other things these days both inside and outside the world of musical instruments and pro audio gear, things just ain't what they used to be. Ha, I also used to play guitar (something else I took up back in the 80's because of not being able to play real drums quietly) - so I've had a lot of rude awakening happening lately in the world of guitars too.

    A year later I still haven't bought any electronic drums, I refuse to throw money away on something I can't expand.

    Thanks to the other end users who have provided tips, brands, links, etc. here!
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  • I'm just joining this forum for the first time, and I just purchased and received a Strike Pro kit last week. I am upgrading from a DM10 Studio Mesh Kit. I had added a few pads to that kit by splitting inputs on my module. I actually would like to do the same to my Strike, and I am waiting on some Y-cables to arrive so I can try doing the same thing.

    If you are still interested in expanding a Strike, I will be more than happy to share my results with you once I get it done. If you can give me until the weekend, I should have everything I need and be able to give it a go.

    Hoping to provide a little help at least!

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    Shawn
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  • The only instance I can think this would work is for crash cymbals if you don't mind them sounding the same. Because if you have them going to the same input on the drum module, they'll have the same voice assigned to them.
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  • I used splitter cables on my DM10 to add new pads, so I figured it would work the same.

    On the DM10, it basically takes a dual-zone input and turns it into 2 single-zone pads. One pad would be the head and the other would be the rim. If you don't use the tom rims, it's an extra 4 inputs right there. I have two extra cymbals, a second kick pad and a "miscellaneous" pad added by splitting the kick, one tom, and the extra "PERC4" input.

    To me, it feels like the Strike should work the same way, so I've ordered some splitters to give it a try.

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  • Ok, so I worked on getting my DM10 and Strike kits set up to mirror each other so that I can just transport the module between the two. It was an interesting adventure, to say the least. I ended up linking the DM10 through the Strike via MIDI, but that's not the purpose of this response.

    I did try splitting the cymbal inputs on the Strike module. Basically what it does is allows the bow sound to be triggered by one pad and the edge sound by another pad. In basic function, it worked. However, it seemed to make both pads running from that input a bit harder to trigger. I could probably fix this with some tweaking of trigger settings, but I honestly didn't go much further into it. That will be for another time...

    I'm kind of expecting that splitting toms would work a little better. It all probably also depends on if you're using single-zone vs. dual-zone pads to run off the split input. I'm working on getting my kit gig-ready, as we have a steady string of shows starting on March 30. I may test a tom split just to see how well it works while I'm doing all that. I'll update with my results.

    So, I guess this is basically to say that splitting the inputs DOES work on the Strike. It just may take a little messing with settings to get the resulting two pads to work just how you want them to.

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    Shawn
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  • Hi, my name is Steve, and I'm an alcoholic... just kidding!

    I just discovered the Alesis Strike Pro 6-piece Electronic Drum Kit on-line tonight, and was wondering about expanding the kit, to add more trigger pads, cymbals & toms etc. I read somewhere in this thread about the module having extra trigger inputs, but I can't find an image large enough to see the connections clearly.

    What I have now is nearly 4 Yamaha DTXPress kits ganged together. That's 4 DTXPress trigger modules, and oh maybe 40 + triggers to shake a stick at. I'm certain there is no one singe module that could accommodate anywhere near this many triggers, so I wouldn't bother. I use all 4 Yamaha DTXpress modules with my Cubase DAW PC, I've done it two ways.. either run the standard midi outs of all 4 modules into my 8X8 midi router, then midi out of that, into the midi in of my audio/midi interface (my midi router has USB but don't like USB midi), I then trigger drums VSTi's, primarily Toontrack's EZDrummer & Superior Drummer.
    After exploring a little more with my 4 modules settings, I discovered I can daisy chain all 4 modules together via midi cables, which there's a setting that allows the midi OUT's of my DTXPress modules, to pass midi on as a midi THRU. I then send midi out of my 4th and last module into my midi router (or skip the router) and go directly into my audio/midi interface.
    Of course I had to get into each of the modules and select the proper 'Midi Note Numbers' and save each modules midi note number settings, and label each module something like "Superior Kits"....each module being only a part of my entire expansive kit! Since the Yamaha DTXPress modules trigger inputs can be used to trigger any sounds within the module, I can connect any pad to any trigger input for whatever sound I wish (snare, kick, cymbal, block, sound effect etc, etc etc). But the good thing for me is, I can program and assign any midi note number to correspond with any trigger pad, which allows me to get crazy with super large drum VSTi's. And if I was to use say multiple drum VSTi's or multiple instances of a drum VSTi, I could expand and expand and expand. But really, as a guitar player, I have quite too many trigger pads already!
    The above method works fantastic with 40 plus triggers in the largest of Superior Drummer kits! Since I can't hit a large number of trigger pads simultaneously, there's no concern of overloading the bandwidth, voices or whatever, to get into Cubase and play Superior Drummer VSTi with no issues, no detectable latency what so ever. I'd guess that the same thing can be done with this kits module, either by adding a 2nd module (well worth it if it's needed or desired) or by adding any other trigger module for the trigger inputs (if these pads would be compatible).

    This is a beautiful looking kit, the reason that sparked my interest. And to answer the question of would this rack support more trigger pads? Dunno, maybe, but since I have multiple DTXpress kits ganged together, this also means that I have rack extension galore...(Snaggle Puss says) "expansion stage left, expansion stage right, expansion upwards evon!" So, I have to guess yet again, that the rack of this Alesis kit could and should be expanded to accommodate more trigger pads.

    Steve
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  • I want to add that to the above how I monitor the audio from all my 4 trigger modules for say practicing. I use splitter cables with dual 1/4" mono phone connectors on one end, to 1/8" stereo connectors on the other end. I run from the 1st module's Left/Right main stereo audio outputs using the 1/4" jacks, then run the 1/8" stereo connector into the 1/8" Auxilary jack of the 2nd module, then to the 3rd module, to the 4th module. From there I plug my headphones into this 4th module to listen. Or I can run the main L/R audio outs into a speaker monitor system, mixer, PA etc.
    If I was to buy the Alesis Strike Pro kit, I'd also at least buy a 2nd trigger module, along with any extra Cymbal & tom pads I needed. Plus any extra rack parts to mount them on. Or maybe even buy two kits & combine them. Either that, or combine parts from my customized Yamaha DTXPress kit, as shown in my Avitar pic. I'd combine them using the same method as I currently do, which provide's the most potential IMO. One thing I'd likely not do is use the number of trigger pads that I currently have, I just had to do it, but it's over-kill for most of my needs, which is home studio recording only.
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  • There's a precaution for using Y-splitter cables to mix outputs in this doc: https://www.rane.com/pdf/ranenotes/Wh...

    Also here's an impressive rack layout for a DM10 /Trigger-IO combo:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/x8jfs9mrjxg...
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