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DM8 pro kit setup help (parameters)

When I am playing w/ our band, my snare on my new DM8 pro kit won't trigger everytime I hit it. Some of our songs have a 2 hit on beat & when playing either the hi hat or ride cymbal, the kick drum, & the snare, the snare misses about 2 or 3 triggers sounds in a row until finally it will start working again. I haven't had this problem while playing thru the headset only, but when we hook the drums into the mixer board for amplification, they all sound different than what I have adjusted while listening thru the headset & the snare won't trigger on every hit? The manual on these drums don't explain enough for me as a new edrummer to understand about the crosstalk, output, priority, semitones, filters, etc. so some of them may have to be adjusted to achieve the sounds we want from them & so the drums will all sound everytime they are hit. ANY HELP APPRECIATED as I have to travel 50 miles to play w/ our praise & worship band & that's where my drums stay set up. It gets expensive going there & back home 3 or 4 times a week to try to adjust them as I don't have an amp or mixer available here where I live, only my headset. I might mention that we only use a TS 1/4" male cord to plug them into the DI box going to the mixer board & I have the "pan" set to "mid" on the triggers. Should this setting be set to "L50" for single cord, mono hook up?
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    Hey Leslie,
    This is the setting you will want to look at:
    PAGE 27 of the manual:
    http://www.alesis.com/stuff/contentmg...

    (each parameter has a description of what it controls)
    -If you are loosing hits when playing faster or softer look at 'Retrigger' and 'Threshold' first before adjust Xtalk (crosstalk).

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    * A note about crosstalk:

    "Crosstalk" occurs when a trigger is struck and the vibration from that strike is also "read" as a strike by an adjacent trigger. For instance, if you strike the snare drum hard enough, it is possible for the crash cymbal to sense the vibration of your hit (especially if they are mounted on the same rack) and trigger as well. This unintentional triggering can be reduced or elimintated by adjusting the DM8 module's crosstalk ("Xtalk") settings.

    • When you increase a trigger's "Xtalk Rcv" ("Crosstalk Receive") setting, you are making that trigger less susceptible to crosstalk from other triggers' vibrations.

    • When you increase a trigger's "Xtalk Snd" ("Crosstalk Send") setting, you are making that trigger less likely to be interpreted by the module as a cause of crosstalk.

    In a general sense, these two settings essentially do the same thing: reduce crosstalk. However, there are cases where adjusting one is better than adjusting the other.

    Example:
    While playing, if you find the first tom is unintentionally triggering as you play heavily on the snare drum, you should increase the first tom's "Xtalk Rcv" setting to reduce its sensitivity to strikes on the snare drum (as well as other triggers).
    On the other hand, if you find playing heavily on the snare drum is unintentionally causing several triggers to sound, you should increase the snare drum's "Xtalk Snd" setting so th
    • THANKS FOR YOUR REPLY! I am bitting @ the bits to hear from you each time & want you to know I appreciate it! This may take a few more replies to get it all adjusted right but anyway, before I put this problem on here, I talked w/ tech support by phone & told them I had ALL my "XTALK" send & receives adjusted to the maximum ("07") & was instructed by them to adjust ALL of them between 03 - 05 on both receive & send xtalks. I did this, & it helped A VERY LITTLE, (but did help some) & now when I press "note chase" & hit the tom 1, it changes to tom 1 then when I hit it again while trying to adjust it, the module goes to SnrHd which tells me that the tom 1 is now triggering the snare head. But when I'm playing, the snare is still missing beats & seems to be the only trigger doing this. All other triggers seem to do fine. Now, I have to continue figuring out what number to set all my XTALK sends & receives on again so when I hit the triggers while adjusting w/ note chase pressed, they won't trigger another that I'm not adjusting. SORRY TO BE SO STUPID, BUT this is my first set of edrums as I have used acooustics since the 70's. Now that you told me to start adjusting my "RETRIGGER" & "THRESHOLD", I'll do that before going back & working on my XTALLK values again. My drums are 50 miles away from where I live & we only practice on Monday & Thursday nights, also worrying about being a bother to the people in my band where we practice because of having to come early to work on them while they are eating dinner! Guess I'm just a worry wart! LOL! If you can give me any value suggestions for the retrigger & threshold, I'd appreciate it. AM looking forward to your reply!
    • On the "retrigger" settings, do I increase the values ( like from 50 - 99) to make the triggeres more responsive or do I decrese them? I think I already have ALL the trigger "thresholds" set @ a low setting but can't remember exactly what number they are set on. I do remember that I wanted to make sure that even light strikes triggered them.
      THANKS AGAIN!
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  • On the "retrigger" settings, do I INCREASE the values (like from 50 - 99) to make the triggers more responsive or do I DECREASE the values. I already have my "THRESHOLD" settings low but can't remember what number I have them set on. Will have to check that.
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    • Its kind of relative to the player but here is what they do.

      --Retrigger: How quickly the module processes repeated strikes of the same trigger (00-99). This is the minimum amount of time needed between successive strikes of the same trigger for the second one to produce a sound. (For instance, if your Retrigger setting is 50 and you strike the trigger once, it will produce a sound if the next strike is at least 50 milliseconds later. Otherwise, it will be silent.) (Note: This parameter is only seen on certain pages since it already affects both zones of a drum pad or cymbal that "share" the same TRIGGER INPUT.)

      --Threshold: How much velocity (force) is required for a Voice to sound (00-99). At lower settings, very light strikes of the triggers will produce sounds. At higher settings, you will need to strike the triggers harder to produce a sound. (Note: This parameter is only seen on certain pages since it already affects both zones of a drum pad or cymbal that "share" the same TRIGGER INPUT.)
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  • So, by INCREASING the value of the retrigger allows more time to strike it before it quits triggering? In other words, if you set this on 50 & strike it, the 2nd strike HAS to be within the 50 millisecond time limit to work. By increasing it to 99, it will trigger everytime it is struck within the 99 millisecond time frame. So, I should set ALL my triggers on the max of 99? OR, does this mean that if I set the threshold on 50 & strike the trigger, It won't sound unless the 2nd strike is 50 milliseconds or more in which case, I would need to set all the thresholds on the least of (01) setting for them to trigger EVERYTIME they are hit?
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  • I see. The retrigger is the minimum time required for a 2nd strike to register. Whatever the value set, that time has to expire before the trigger will sound again. If I set this @ 01, that's the quickest that a 2nd strike will sound. THANKS! About the threshold, if a lower number setting will allow lighter strikes to cause the trigger to sound, then if I set this value @ it's lowest like @ 01, any strike regardless of the force of the strike should sound the trigger. I also have the CURVE on the snare head set to "Linear" so the trigger will sound louder as I strike it harded & softer as I strike it lighter. This shouldn't affect the trigger missing hits should it?
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    You are correct about the settings above. Check out the top page 28 in the module's manual. It shows you the curves and what they mean.

    http://www.alesis.com/stuff/contentmg...
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    THANKS AGAIN! I will set all the retrigger & threshold settings to 01 & will let you know on here how it works. I pretty well understand how the setting for the curves work but want to try all of the "log" 1 - 4 settings to see how they change the trigger volume as I strike them. I like the "linear" setting idea of increasing the trigger volume according to the force of the hit but I wonder if when I'm striking the snare lightly, that it may also be adding to my missing sounds. Anyway, let me re - adjust the retrigger, threshold, & Xtalk settings & I'll let you know if that fixes my problem. It will be Thursday night before I can do this so I will let you know on this site here how it goes! HAVE A GREAT DAY & THANKS! P.S. I also need to know why there are 2 layers on the module for these settings? ( Layer "A" & "B")
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    THANKS for the help! Will let you know how it went tomorrow.
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  • SO FAR, SO GOOD! THANKS SO MUCH for your patience as I re-set all my perimeters to 01 on the retrigger & thresholds, & it seems to have fixed my problem. I did however, have to set the XTALK snd & rec settings up to 5 & 6 to keep my ride cymbal from triggering when I struck the toms but all is well so far! I was reading some reviews about upgrading the Dmpads to a mesh head & there's NOT ONE single negative review concerning this upgrade as even in our band, our members say then can hear the thump of the pedal & sticks on the heads along w/ their sound thru the speakers & the mesh heads will make the pads quieter. I have been in electronics for many years (just not with the sound definitions) & saw somewhere that if someone did this upgrade, Alesis would void their warranty & was wondering why? It would be no different if a realhead got damaged & they had to replace it. I was even told from a music store that is a BIG retailer in our area of edrums that someone could either replace the realhead w/ another realhead from Alesis, an Evans drum head, or a mesh head of their choosing w/ EXCELLANT results. What's your comments on this matter?
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    Any non warranty work performed on the kit will void the warranty regardless of what is being done. All warranty work must be done by an authorized warranty technician.
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    OH, O.K. I didn't see replacing the heads as being warranty work but guess they also have a 1 year warranty. THANKS for the reply & HAVE A BLESSED DAY! If I have any more questions down the road I'll contact you.
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