VI49 midi mapping with ableton 9.6 : press button 1 twice to activate a track

Hello everybody, That message has been posted 1 year ago on the community website. Today, i have the 9.6 ableton live version, and the problem still exists although i use the alesis VI mapping, is there a solution ?

here is the old message :

"VI49 Ableton Live - Having to press buttons twice?
Hi,

So I just got my lovely new VI49 and my immediate thought was to map the assignable buttons to arm individual tracks as I use Ableton Live 9 for live performance, using each track as a separate synth. Within a given song I need to very quickly dissarm one track and arm another between say the verse and chorus to use a different synth sound.

However, having mapped eg button 1 to arm track 1 in Live, it appears no matter what I try to change in the editor software or Live I always have to press the button twice to arm/dissarm as follows: Press once = track arms, press twice = no change in Live, press third time = track dissarms, press fourth time = no change in Live.

It's as though only when the button lights up does anything register in Live (when pressing a second time to turn the button's light off nothing happens in Live).

This is ridiculous but I can't seem to change it no matter what I do! Can anyone help please - I'm sure I'm being an idiot but this is so annoying!"
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  • Hello Pierre,

    With the latest version of Ableton Live 9, your controller automatically maps to your Ableton software as a control surface. Now lets get down to what your problem is.

    First, please ensure that you have the latest firmware for your product installed before continuing. You can obtain the latest firmware directly form the Downloads section of each Alesis V series controller:

    Alesis VI49

    Now, the reason for a “stuck note” or what your saying a "double note" is that a Note Off message is not read by the software program. This can happen with any MIDI controller and does happen on the Alesis V series controllers with any more frequency than any other current controller on the market.

    There are three main causes for “stuck notes”:

    1. The most likely cause - The Computer.

    For example, background programs may begin running behind the scenes, packages of information may transfer from and to the internet, optimization of programs and background processes need to be adjusted - all of these and more can cause “stuck notes”.

    You can see the same root problem cause other symptoms often in every day computer use. For example, when a mouse pointer freezes or you click somewhere and nothing happens; when you try to close a program and it takes a long time to close or does not close at all and an error comes up; and when it takes a very long time to reboot your computer.

    There are a number of ways to address these root causes, and I have included a great walkthrough guide below to help:

    Optimizing Your System, Improving Performance, and Managing Latency

    2. A less likely cause - The Cabling.

    In years past, a bad 5-pin DIN MIDI cable could be the cause of a stuck note or other MIDI transfer symptom. More than once we have seen a simple MIDI cable switch resolve very troubled users of all of their symptoms.

    More recently, with the increased useage of USB cables transferring MIDI information to the computer, the likelihood of the USB cable causing similar symptoms has been reduced. While it is still possible - and we have documented cases where changing the USB cable has resolved similar MIDI transfer symptoms - it is far less likely to be the cause.

    Additionally, on my personal computer, a failing USB port was the cause of a ton of difficulty until I was able to determine the root cause.

    3. The least likely cause - The MIDI Controller

    The reason for a “stuck note” is that a Note Off message is not read by the software. There is an easy way to determine if the controller is the cause.

    Windows

    • Download the free program MIDI-OX
    • Run the MIDI OX application.
    • Select the Options menu and select MIDI Devices. Make sure to select MIDI inputs and MIDI Outputs for the MIDI controller and click OK.
    • Strike a key and release.
    • You will see both a Note On and Note Off message. If you see both, this tells you that the controller is sending the MIDI message correctly and the cause of the symptoms is somewhere else.

    Mac

    • Download the free program MIDI Monitor
    • Click on the Sources tab to view MIDI devices. Confirm that your USB/MIDI device is listed.
    • Strike a key and release.
    • You will see both a Note On and Note Off message. If you see both, this tells you that the controller is sending the MIDI message correctly and the cause of the symptoms is somewhere else.
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  • I'm using an Alesis VI49.

    My transport buttons don't automatically work with ableton 9.6.

    Also I only see Alesis VX in the dropdown of control surfaces.

    As shown my controller transport does not work. I'm able to play notes and map controllers, but the transport doesn't "automatically work" by any means.

    Please advise!

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  • Hi Pierre,

    I am the original poster you quoted! I was searching for something unrelated and just found this!

    I hope, by now, you too have managed to figure it out. If not it turns out to be very simple - but frustrating until you figure it - you just need to go into the VI49 Editor software and change the mode for the buttons your interested in - for example if you want to arm a track by hitting button 1 and disarm by hitting it again you need to set the mode of that button to 'CC Toggle'.

    If I remember correctly the default for switches is Program change or CC Momentary - have a fiddle around with all the different modes for the switches and pads and see what they do.

    Good luck!
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  • This happened to me too. Changing all the Toggle Off values to 127 does the trick! Now I'm trying to figure out if I can make it so that hitting one button sends a toggle off to any button that's already on, but I'm not sure that's possible
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  • Hi, I have a similar problem in my vi61. Assigning a switch to a clip a need to press twice to record and twice again to stop. Vi editor is on toggle. If I put "momentary" it works but the light doesn't stay on with the clip working.
    It works correctly if I assign to the switch an on/off effect, but doesn't work on a clip.
    Can someone help me?
    Thanks
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  • Hi there,

    I never got this to work. Tried toggle, momentary, but nothing worked properly.

    I use my vi61 for live performance along with SampleTank and just choose the sounds on the ipad itself. I am able to use the knobs though. Definitely not how I intended to use it when I first bought it. I was hoping to select banks using the buttons as one normally does on a keyboard. I'm planning to buy a second hand sound module at some point, but am waiting for a friend with a sound module to come see if that's gonna work before I do.

    It's a pity it can't be used. I know very well that I'm not using it as it is originally designed, but it would have been so helpful if it could have been used.

    Really keen to hear if you or anyone ever get it sorted.
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  • I tried to put on the editor toggle off 127. Somehow it works better. I need to push once and the light is on when the clip is playing. I noticed that light on or off depends on what is doing the clip or the function you want to assign while you are mapping
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  • Also having issues where I need to click the switches twice to trigger. I was able to download the editor and changed the switch modes to CC Momentary, and saved the editor as a new file, but how do I get the changes to take place in ableton?
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  • Hi, you have to send the preset to the hardware with the editor
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  • Hi Michele, Thanks ! Still not working though. I get this message
    "midi communication unsuccessful.
    verify midi connection and device settings.
    verify no other applications are using the MIDI port."

    Though ableton is closed, not sure what the issue is. Any ideas??
    Thanks again!
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  • In options /setup device select the editor in IN and OUT. Apply and OK. Then send preset to hardware
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  • Also had the double click problem when mapping my VI61 switches to arm/disarm tracks in Ableton. The setting of 127 for both Toggle on and off seems to work. So far so good.

    What I'm curious about is whether Ableton can return the state of a track being armed or disarmed to the VI controller, and cause the switch light to be in sync with that corresponding indicator in Ableton.
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  • In fact, I wonder what is the purpose of the MIDI output to the VI controllers (I mean, the output TO the controller, the VI49 OUT from the computer point of view, that sends MIDI data TO the controller).

    The Editor uses its own set of in and out, the IN presents data from the controller to the PC... so what MIDI data can a DAW send to the VI? Programming the LEDs statuses would make sense, so to sync it to the DAW status, but is this even documented? Are there mappings for, say, Ableton Live?

    Alesis empoyees here seem to always reply with stock answers such as registry cleaning and internet misconfigurations - and miss entirely the point.
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  • I've found that VIP, the AKAI software product, has the switches figured out properly for their factory mapping of my VI61. The 8 highest numbered switches, on my controller #'s 41 through 48, can be assigned correctly to solo or mute a particular channel, and its LED is turned on or off correspondingly. Seems to me to prove that 2-way communication between the controller and an application is possible. I haven't, however, been able to create my own mapping of VIP to the VI61, and my request for help with this to AKAI has gone unanswered.

    In addition, VIP seems to be a performance only application, with no recording or editing of midi tracks offered, as in Ableton.
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    • I tested sending to the VI the same CC's it's sending for the switches, and it does NOT turn the LEDs on or off. I have yet to see a proof for a bidirectional communication to be possible.

      Regarding MIDI utils on a Mac, sorry but I don't use Macs. I know that you don't need install virtual drivers like you have on Windows, in order to route MIDI internally between applications, but that's all...
    • Thanks for the info. When I get a chance, I'll try looking into this further.
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