Georg Phillip Telemann is "definitely" a Baroque composer

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Georg Phillip Telemann clasified in the Classical Period?

Suggest it should be classified in the Baroque Period
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We'll take a look.
Thanks.
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Graham Chapman

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Hi Zac,

He was definitely a baroque composer.

And there appears to be quite a few data problems in the classical music sections, sometimes the problem is the same on both old and beta sites, sometimes the old and beta show different results.

For instance, and this is not an exhaustive list:


  • Carl Nielson classed in Modern period (beta) when he was post-Romantic/20th Century

  • Carl Nielson - years active 1874-1931 (old) and 1910s-1920s (beta) - old site correct - yes, he did compose a work at the age of 9! :-)

  • Shostakovich - years active 1915-1975 (old) and 1930s-1970s (beta) - think his 1st composition was 1919, last 1975.

  • George Frederick Handel - Romantic period (beta and old) - should be baroque



Is there any way the users can provide editorial assistance?
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Telemann is now fixed:
http://beta.allmusic.com/artist/georg...
(really restraining myself from making an "if it ain't Baroque, don't fix it" joke so I won't).

And we got a Handel on this one:
http://beta.allmusic.com/artist/georg...

The years active thing is a bit difficult because when we create the data to deliver to these pages, in many cases for popular classical figures we also have a Non-Classical entry (what we call a "Pop entry") in our database.

For the new site we no longer have a Pop page for Shostakovich and a Classical page for Shostakovich, there is just one page that combines (usually) the most relevant data from both sets.

In this case, we always stored "Pop" Years Active as decades and "Classical" Years Active as specific years and in this case the Pop decade data (which is used on 95% of the pages) is not as good as the Classical year-specific data.

We'll work on it but to be honest it may not be top priority.

Zac
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Well at least try getting the decades correct! :-)
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> Is there any way the users can provide editorial assistance?

We don't have any tools to allow users to change or update data directly. We do have Submit Corrections links in the left sidebar of each album and artist page if you choose to go through that route, but notifying us here may be your best bet (especially for feedback regarding differences between our legacy data delivery system and our new data delivery system on the beta site).
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Graham Chapman

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Zac, thanks for your reply. The "editorial assistance" I mentioned was more of a review role rather than a direct update capability; I would not be happy knowing there was a tool that allowed users to directly change/update the data without an intermediate verification/quality control stage. I've looked at the Submit Corrections and there is limited scope as to what kind of updates a user can supply.

I was just wondering what your internal change process was for updating content and how you go about verifying those updates. Any mileage in having a forum where after the data owners (you guys) have gone through your own verification step, you publish scheduled data changes/updates to a user group of volunteer reviewers? Give the reviewer group opportunity to comment on or refute corrections before implementation. Possibly link correction to the submitter/source. Also publish list of changes implemented so that submitters can see that their contribution has been acknowledged/valued. I realize that may turn out to be a lot more work, but there are users, like myself, who would take the time to assist you guys in making the database as accurate as possible.

I'm not sure about using this forum for notifying you of all the data issues encountered - it could get very chaotic. I feel there should be a more formal process, like Submit Corrections but with more options.
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Hi Graham,
We definitely appreciate the attention you are giving.

In regards to publishing a "change log" of corrections or additional data we're making, this would likely be tens of thousands of records per week. We are constantly adding, updating, and changing information and I don't think we could come up with a good way to determine which changes were a result of our usual process and which changes were a result of user feedback.

I'll discuss with our editorial group if there is a good, low-impact way to better handle user data feedback, especially from power-users like yourself.
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I have since discovered this thread:

https://getsatisfaction.com/allmusic/...

and realize this topic has been given a great deal of thought by a lot of people already. Forgive my earlier reply, it was an idea off the top of my head and I now appreciate the scale of the task.

I'll leave you to discuss this with your editorial group.

Thanks.