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Can I use the Kindle on the airplane when "electronic devices" must be turned off?

One nice thing about books/magazines is that the airline attendant won't make you turn them off during takeoff and landing. With the wireless off, can I argue that my Kindle should be okay to keep on? I mean, how much worse is the Kindle from an interference standpoint than a digital watch?
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  • I’m not a physicist or electrical engineer
    If I remember correctly, e-ink products don't use *any* charge when displaying data -- only when refreshing the screen. So it could be argued that you're using *less* power than a digital, or even analog, watch.
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  • I’m upright and fully locked
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    according to this slate article, no, you cannot. it has to be stowed during takeoff and landing.
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  • I’m crabby
    If we needed any more proof that airline policy is arbitrary and largely for show this is it. It speaks to a fundamentally anti-science worldview. Or maybe I'm just being crabby.
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  • I’m unconcerned
    I don't think it's too much to be asked to sit quietly and stare out the window for the first twenty minutes of my flight.
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  • I have no problem being asked to do something for good reasons--just don't ask me to accept policies that are illogical and are to no one's benefit. There's a reason the airline industry is such a mess.
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  • I’m disappointed in airlines and the TSA. Transmitting electronic devices probably don't pose any harm anyway, let alone innocent Kindles.
    I agree. I'm sure the Kindle poses absolutely zero harm if used during takeoff/landing, but actually getting away with it would probably be near impossible. The flight attendants are not going to understand Kindle when they try to arrest you for listening to music on your iPhone.
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  • You know, amazon has a kindle support line. It's even toll free. You can call them and I even bet they'll answer your questions.
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  • I’m Confident
    There has NEVER been an aircraft crash caused by a cell phone. As a matter of fact the internal electronics per FAA rules are shielded. This is, and always has been one of the dumbest rules on planes. My suggestion is use the book cover and treat it like a paper back. The RF from a Kindle is so low that even mice are not getting cancer - Ha.
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  • As the flight attendants say, you have to turn off "anything with an on/off switch." It may be silly, but they will make you turn it off.
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  • i've used mine on a bunch of flights now. the flight attendants do make you turn it off for takeoff and landing
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  • I’m sad there's no "in general" section for airlines
    It's almost impossible to tell them that your iPhone has an airline mode, they just don't wanna listen. But then, this thread is now leaning more toward airlines in general than amazon products like Kindle.
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    • Regardless of 'airplane' mode, the rule states that turning off music and computers has a lot to do with making sure everyone is paying attention. Take-off and landing are the most critical times during the flight. If a member of the flight crew needs to make an important announcement, he/she does not want to compete with Jay-Z for your attention.

      As electronics become integrated to include phones, games, email and computing in a single device, the office is everywhere. The general flying public think of the plane as just one more place where I do business or leisure activities. But the runway is not Starbucks. And even with the litany of more alarming security concerns, keeping those electronics off while near the ground is still a part of safe flying.
    • Airline mode only means you can turn it on during the flight, but not during taxis or landing. You're advised to activate airplane mode before you turn off your phone so that when you turn it back on during the flight, it doesnt cause interference. Airplane mode has never meant that you dont have to turn it off during taxis or landing.
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  • so a breakthrough for the kindle. there was one other person with a kindle sitting next to me on two of my last four flights...a good sign.
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  • I’m frustrated
    Ive been on about 12 flights since I got it, and I was only made to turn it off once...I tried arguin with the attendant, but she didn't much care.
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  • Airlines have NEVER had a plane crash due to the use of an on-board electronic device - Never. Think about it. The air around the place is full of radio, TV, cell and microwave signals. The amount of high power transmitters used to communicate with the planes would amaze you.

    The airline can do what they want. Will the device cause harm to the planes avionics? No! I read my Kindle all the time on the plane. When asked what it is, I tell them it is my book. So far that has been the end of it. I do turn off the cell feature to save power unless I order a new book.

    Good luck.
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  • I’m happy
    I think Chaser just answered the real question. You can turn off the cell feature, so it can be used on a plane, except during take-off and landing. They don't want you to turn on a flashlight during take-off and landing.

    In the FAA and airlines defense, it's not that they believe that an on-board electronic device will likely cause a crash. But from their perspective it's better to say "Sorry you're being inconvienced by our paranoia." than to say "Sorry your friends and loved-ones were killed. But we didn't want to seem paranoid."
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  • I’m happy to help you.
    Hello all,

    You can use you Kindle in Air planes but make sure you switch off the wireless. You can inform the airport authorities regarding the same and they will not oppose this as well.

    Thanks!
    Rock Star.
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    The FAA regulations regarding the usage of non-transmitting electronic devices has nothing to do with the devices possible impact on the aircraft's avionics. No such claim by the FAA has ever been made that an "approved electronic device," can interfere with the aircraft. The usage regulations stating that approved devices may be used after take-off, once above 10,000 ft and must be turned-off prior to landing, once descending through 10,000 ft is to keep potential projectiles to a minimum during critical phases of flight. Take-off and landing are critical phases of flight. Very few incidents occur during the inflight, cruising portion of flight, to keep people from using devices...hence why you are able to use the lav during flight: because there is no imminent danger of going belly-up. Kindles have to be turned-off and stowed just like people with handbags or laptops on their laps have to put them under their seat, because they are potential projectiles during critical phases of flight.

    Tired of ignorance!
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    • The regulation that requires stowage of electronics is exactly that, an electronics regulation. Anything that can bounce around during a rough landing should be put away, even books and magazines—although they are not included in the electronics regulation. Therefore, unless preparing for an emergency landing, a flight attendant will not ask you to stow your book for a routine take-off or landing. I understand the Kindle is reading material, but the fact is, it is an electronic device and therefore is subject to the regulations regarding electronics.
    • According to the current FAA regulations for PEDs, it is specifically because of interference that they are prohibited AND it is up to the carrier to determine their policies.

      Here's the relevant link: http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_...

      The reason that they say it is OK to use PEDs at cruising altitude has to do with the ability to determine which device is interfering in a situation that is less dangerous.

      There is no mention about the electronic device becoming a projectile during take off.

      Also, the reason that cell phones are banned across the board has more to do with the Federal Communication Commission having concerns that cell phone usage from an airplane would be disruptive to service in different operating areas due to the increased transmission potential.
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  • I’m meh.
    Well, it's true that the Kindle, with its wireless signal off, will not interfere in any way, shape or form with the aircraft's operation.
    However, the flight attendant will not believe you when you tell him or her that. You can't really blame them - it's their job to enforce the rules. To be honest, sometimes I hide mine under my jacket until they go sit down for takeoff. Then I keep reading.
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  • I had trouble convincing the flight attendant my Kindle was off!

    I boarded a United flight this morning with my new Kindle 2 turned off (leather cover ordered separately, not yet arrived). I was holding the device in my lap prior to takeoff when the flight attendant saw Virginia Wolfe on the screen and told me to turn it off. I told him it was off. He threatened that if I did not comply he would have me removed from the plane. I explained it was e-ink and that it uses no power to display the image.

    He returned with one of the pilots who looked at it. I showed her how it has a wireless feature and that it was off, and then turned the Kindle back off (which displayed another author!). She was still dubious and asked if I could take the battery out. I showed her the back which has no screws and explained taking the battery out would not clear he image anyway because it uses no power. I tried explaining e-ink again and she was evidentially satisfied enough to let me and my off Kindle stay on the flight!

    I figured flight attendants would have been familiar with these devices by now.
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  • I’m disgusted
    The mere idea that flight attendants are somehow endowed with the right to imprison us if agitated should give us all pause. While I do not go out of my way to break the "rules" of air travel, the notion that an iPod is more of a projectile than a book is ridiculous. And the notion that just because a bunch of bureaucrats say "this is how it is" we should not question it or complain about it is even more ludicrous.

    I suppose if the flight attendant told you that you could not be aboard the plane because you wore yellow socks you would probably take them off... or because you wore a "Jesus" t-shirt you were removed from the plane as a terrorist threat you would just go along with it and say "those are the rules, shucks" just because it was clearly stated in section XXIV, paragraph 482 of some bill, that no one read before they passed it, that yellow socks was an unpardonable offense.

    If we don't challenge the inane, archaic drivel that comes out of Washington and just accept what some glorified waitress says as gospel then we deserve what we get. As though not being allowed to use an iPod or Kindle will make us safer...

    Some of you political apologists make me nauseous.
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    • Tim, that's ridiculous. If a building catches fire, your waitress is the first one out the door. If the plane catches fire, your flight attendant is the LAST one out the door. The FA tries to comfort you with food and drink partly as a courtesy, and partly because hungry, thirsty people are more hazardous to the safety of others.

      While turning off PEDs is a misunderstood concept by most, stowing items is not. If the plane collides with something, that iPod in your hand suddenly becomes a missile at whatever speed the plane was moving. You crack someone's head open, or whatever, and sure, you're so sorry about it, but the FA loses their job, goes to jail, etc just because you're stubborn.
    • Josh, I agree that an iPod, cell phone, laptop, or Kindle would be dangerous projectiles during some collision. But saying that PEDs would be dangerous projectiles and therefore must be turned off is ridiculous. Every flight attendant I've ever interacted with has asked me to torn off my phone, Kindle, etc. NOT to stow them. And as others have said, wouldn't a book or a Barbie doll be just as dangerous a projectile in a collision? If being a projectile is the problem, then EVERYTHING needs to be stored and being on or off is irrelevant. The focus on whether something is on or off means that either being a projectile is NOT a concern or that the law is completely arbitrary and therefore SHOULD be called into question.
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  • You are absolutely correct..the rule is dumb and if the aircraft's avionics are so fragile that the use of a kindle can send it into a nose dive, then it shouldn't be in the air.
    • Flight attendants are there to SAVE your ass, not kiss it.
    • Rita, how did this comment in any way imply that flight attendants should kiss anyone's ass? I don't blame flight attendants for the rules, but they ARE the face of the rules. They are the ones on the front lines enforcing them. They are going to have to deal with questions and challenges to the logic of those rules. Anyone who gets into the profession and expects anything else is either naive or an idiot. And if they aren't told this during training, their instructors are negligent or incompetent. I don't think any of those things are the case, so FAs should know this is what to expect. I'm sure garbage men don't like the fact that garbage stinks, but bitching about it won't change that fact. I'm NOT saying that FAs are garbage collectors, but even though FAs may not like the fact that passengers are demanding, will complaining about it really make any difference?
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  • If you cannot comply with flight crew instructions, then you should not fly.
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    • That argument is fallacious on so many levels. These two situations are not even close to being the same. These rules are not discriminatory. Everyone has to follow them. Second of all, how on earth is not bitching about 10 minutes of sitting quietly or not being able to read your kindle, which again, are rules EVERYone is supposed to follow, even CLOSE to Rosa Parks just taking sitting back and taking a completely unfair, unreasonable, hate-driven rule? Or to women trying to get more rights, where again, they were fighting against inequality and unfairness? Or to paying unfair taxes, which could obviously affect your entire quality of life? As far as I know, sitting quietly for 10 minutes is not going to be harmful to you, either in the short term or the long term, mentally or physically.
      Look, my point is not whether we should or should not object to rules that seem illogical and useless... I get that you aren't ok with sitting back and taking things just on principle, because being ok with one unreasonable thing just to avoid causing a fuss could lead to people getting away with more and more... My point, is that this is not the way to go about it. I'm all for having opinions, and wanting to make your point. But if you're going to try and defend your opinion, at least make your arguments good rational ones, instead of using extreme examples, that were only vaguely related to the matter in the first place... especially since you seem, in this particular case, to be objecting to the rules because they seem irrational or unreasonable, it seems like using more reasonable arguments to back your opinions up would get you a lot farther. Because in going with extremes, instead of sounding like someone with a legitimate objection to just being told what to do without a logical reason (that you can discern), you sound more like you're just raving, and it undermines your entire argument. Again, I am all for listening to logical, reasonable arguments, and I'm NOT saying that you ARE a raving extremist... I'm just saying arguments like this will make you sound like one.
    • Aiden you're right. This is not a civil rights exercise but the practical issue using the Kindle on an airplane. I think it's pretty settled that it won't harm the aircraft, but it's also settled that after you point to "Off" on the Kindle window, the vast majority of flight attendants are OK with it.

      Once again, the absurdity of the issue is that a Kindle is Off when the wireless is Off, and you can't turn the Kindle more Off than that. The Kindle is no more Off with the screen saver than it is with a page of text. Once again, it's not about civil rights but about the practical matter of using the kindle on board.

      One explanation that might be persuasive is that after showing the "Off," tell the FA the text is no more "on" than an Etch a Sketch. It's the truth, and they might understand, that concept.

      But as you say, regardless the merits, it shouldn't kill anyone to stow their Kindle for 10 minutes, and I certainly don't feel oppressed.
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  • I’m often a lot of fun ;)
    Although Jo Malone is obviously a moron and thankfully hasn't been seen it awhile, this has been entertaining. Is anyone aware of a petition to the FAA regarding a rules (not law) change? My experience is that some crews enforce the rules, others don't. Most haven't.
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  • Yes, use it. And you are NOT creating a hazard. When it shows "Off" on the top, it is no longer an electronic device. If a flight attendant points to your page, tell her/him that it's liquid crystal and doesn't emit anything. Most cabin crew understand, when they see that the screen isn't lit. Also, most can read the word, "Off". Tell them it's as "off" as you can possibly make it. Be VERY polite about it, and they'll let it go. Works for me.

    On the other hand, flight attendants shouldn't be expected to differentiate between "passive" eBooks, like Kindle, and others. So if they still want you to turn it "Off," then make the gesture of turning on the screen saver, which isn't turning it any more off than it is, but it may satisfy them.

    Also, I like jo malone's 1st comment, that the issue isn't so much the electronics but that they want you attentive during take-off and landing. So, stowing your Kindle when requested becomes a matter of courtesy. You know, growing up.
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  • I’m educated about this issue rather than speculating based on personal opinions.
    So the OP is 3 years ago, but replies as recently as 4 months.

    The restrictions for radios (such as cellphone transmitters) is an FCC issue, not an FAA issue.

    The FAA regulations for electronic devices excludes "Portable voice recorders, hearing aids, heart pacemakers, electric shavers, or any other portable electronic device that the certificate holder has determined will not cause interference with the navigation or communication systems of the aircraft on which it is to be used."

    However, the pilot in command is the final authority for everything and anything happening on the plane from the time it moves under its own power until it's parked at the gate. The pilot in command is bound by the operator's policy. The FAA suggestions for "determining" are through tests, which take time and cost money. As such, the de-facto is no electronics, and then the operators make exceptions.

    The real issue is about distraction. The cockpit doesn't need them, and the flight crew doesn't need them. Video recorders and other complex devices have caused radio interference to the point of affecting VHF navigation signal reception, especially on older planes. Cellphones left on can cause buzzing in VHF communication radios. etc.

    As such, rather than undergoing the problem of testing every new device on every type of plane to see if there will be any interference, the general policy is to restrict the use of electronics of any type during the critical phases of flight. That means, the portions of flight where a distraction has a higher likelihood of killing people, specifically taxi, take-off through 10,000 feet altitude, approach from 10,000 feet down through landing.

    Past 10,000 feet, in the unlikely event that a device causes interference, there is plenty of time to identify it and correct the issue without worrying about hazards. It's also been tested and verified that wifi is generally safe on some types of aircraft, and as such, we're seeing wifi access on the ground and above 10,000 feet. Also, cell phone interference is low when near the voice transmission source, so cellphones during taxi to the gate are sometimes being allowed.

    Ultimately, the pilot is in command, and the flight crew are his designees. Failure to follow directions is a serious issue. If there's a problem, sort it out after the flight, on the ground, outside of the plane, with the operator's management.

    Causing a fuss during the flight is "interfering with duties", or trying to force them to concede to allow you to do what you want rather than what they're comfortable is not a matter of battle of constitutional rights. It's akin to hijacking and can really ruin your criminal record.

    So, if the flight crew is being particularly draconian, make note of the flight number, time, date, basic description of the crewmember, and their name if you can get it without being intimidating (ie, don't sarcastically demand their name or employee number). Just make sure you do the same thing to report particularly good crewmembers from time to time as well.
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  • Any electronic device must be powered off, not in airplane mode, for take off and landing. After take off, and prior to "prepare for landing", battery operated devices can be used in the airplane mode. This includes "Kindles",cell phones,computers,I-pods,games,etc. Anything that uses a battery,
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  • Flight Attendants are subject to FAA fines if they do not seek compliance from passengers concerning this issue, It has nothing to do with their "draconian" attitudes. Below 10,000 feet, it must be powered off, not in sleep mode.
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  • Flight Attendants are subject to FAA fines if they do not seek compliance from passengers concerning this issue, It has nothing to do with their "draconian" attitudes. Below 10,000 feet, it must be powered off, not in sleep mode.
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  • I’m dissatisfied
    Cathy,
    reciting the rules doesn't add anything to this thread. The reasoning behind WHY something is a rule is VERY important th many people.

    Every member of every FC should know why. You shouldn't have to explain it during a critical phase of flight, but when the information is volunteered, especially during announcements, it needs to be accurate.

    I find that some FAs give false reasons. Most commonly, FAs will state that PEDs off is a federal regulation, but this is not true. Also, many will state that cellphones off is an FAA regulation. That too is not correct.

    As for draconian, some FAs have a very harsh attitude even during announcements, and while unlimited compliance is given. Those FA, usually ones having a bad day, or week, but sometimes just grumpy people, will often misunderstand even simple requests (say, if someone had trouble hearing), as being an authority challenge.

    The purpose of the FC is not to be an authoritarian. The purpose of the FC is to serve as an extension of the pilot in command to ensure the safety and comfort of all of the souls on board. An FA is granted the authority, by the PIC, as directed by the operator's procedures, as approved in their certificate of operation, purely so they can protect the passengers. This is why they are "attendants" and formerly were called "stewards".

    As for fines, threats of punishment are not reasons, they are deterrents.

    PEDs off during critical phases is not a regulation, it's an operator policy (company rule). The reasoning for the part 119 cert holder programs commonly requiring PEDs to be disabled during critical phases is that it simplifies (aka reduces risk) for sterile cockpit.

    As for cellphones off during flight, this is an FCC regulation, not an FAA regulation. This is even clarified in AC 91.21-1B.

    The federal regulations on PEDs are in 14 CFR 91.21 and replicated for carriers in 121.306, large planes in 125.204, and commuters in 135.144.

    Even though many FAs are not pilots, they should operate with the pilot mentality that flying requires constant learning.
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  • No, it's not about "draconian" attitudes but about ignorance about what a Kindle is.

    The only thing that can be "powered off" in a Kindle is the wireless, which has nothing to do with the display. A liquid crystal display (LCD), like a Kindle, is by nature powered off. Unlike light emitting devices (LEDs), LCDs do not emit anything. They are passive. They just sit there.

    A Kindle is NOT like a laptop. (An iPad, being an LED, is like a laptop and can be powered off.) What a Kindle is like is a liquid crystal watch. Actually, the battery-powered watches on a flight emit far more than a Kindle display. They don't tell you to "turn off all watches," do they?

    "Sleep mode," activated by the slider switch, does nothing but replace a page of text with a graphic.

    Please, stop holding forth about FAA/FCC rules that are irrelevant. (They become relevant when you turn the Kindle wireless "on".) Flight attendants are intelligent. When one rarely asks me to turn off my Kindle, I point to the "Off" atop the display and tell them it's liquid crystal and uses no power. They always understand. This is a non-issue.

    The only time a Kindle with the wireless off is "electronic" is the split-second during which the display changes, as when you turn a page, but even then the emission is no more than a watch. Nevertheless, if you want to be in such strict conformity, then of course don't turn the page during take-off and landing.

    If you do not wish to engage the flight attendant, then of course, put your Kindle away, but you will feel rather foolish, knowing that your Kindle is as "Off" as it can be, even while displaying a page of text.
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  • In point of fact, and having flown everywhere with my Kindle and used it from door-close to block, some observations:

    After showing the "Off" on the Kindle screen and explaining about the passive nature of liquid crystal, that it's not LED, the flight attendants are ALWAYS good with that. But...

    I am always ready to comply with what whatever they tell me to do. I would never argue the issue.

    I think the Slate article is wrong. Just be sure your wireless shows "Off," then respectfully explain that the screen is "liquid crystal" and "not active," -- you might even say, "dead" -- and I guaranty at least 90% of the time, you'll be fine. In any case, with the wireless Off, you will absolutely not be interfering with the plane's electronics.

    As for the potential of a Kindle's becoming a projectile -- good point, which makes the electronics issue moot. If this is the reason to stow the Kindle, then no argument here.
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  • I’m curious.
    for those of you who HAVE used the kindle for iphone app while flying... is a book completely downloaded and able to be read from beginning to end? or is is partially downloaded in sections as you read along? I'm worried that during my 5 hour flight in a few days I won't be able to finish a book if they do indeed download in sections?
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  • Hope, it's 100% downloaded. Under the covers, it's just a tiny HTML file inside a zip file. No streaming. All there. So, once you're sync'd, you're all good unless you finish the book before you land.
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    I'm a pilot, and we use our kindles in the cockpit for approach plates and sectionals (maps for the air basically). Electronic devices pose no threat for the instruments in the cockpit. It's more along the lines the airlines want to get you on and off the plane quickly and want to make sure you are listening to their instructions for safety. So you will survive for 10 minutes on either side of your flight to turn off your kindle and enjoy the company of those around you.. if you don't like it then take the train or a bus or drive.
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    • Chrissi, you must use the Kindle DX (the big one), because graphics on my Kindle 2 are totally useless.

      As for stowing the Kindle, your reasoning is unassailable. I always put down my Kindle and pay heed to the safety demo and get annoyed at those who ostentatiously show off how "sophisticated" they are by reading or yacking during the demo. It's also rude to the FA.

      NTSB reports prove that survivors are those who pay attention. The safety demo is a kind of passenger's checklist. Whether pilot or passenger, no matter how experienced, ignoring the checklist is dumb and deadly.
    • Jack, I don't disagree that paying attention seems like something that would lead to a 'better outcome' for you in a crash, but I wonder how the NTSB can possibly know that. It's not like they can ask the victims if they paid attention during the safety demo if they are dead. And asking a survivor is someone else was paying attention seems pretty problematic from a research point of view. How could I possibly know if someone else was paying attention or not. They may not have LOOKED like they were paying attention, but how can I know that for sure? It's sort of like those who say that if you die in your dream you actually die and never wake up. How can they know that?

      Again, not questioning the fact that paying attention can't hurt your chances for survival, just wondering about their research methods.
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  • So we KNOW the Kindle cannot interfere with instruments or communications. Some want us to turn it off so we can pay attention or not appear rude to the FA. This is an absurd argument because if it was so, you should ban the reading of books and magazines during take off and landing. Where did common sense go? By the way, I fly Delta all the time and of the last 25 flights, only one obnoxious FA insisted I turn my Kindle off; either the policies are changing or there is inconsistency in their application. By the way, the FA was not obnoxious because he wanted me to turn the Kindle off.
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  • Had this problem today on a flight. I tried to explain to the flight attendant that the Kindle does not really have an "on/off" switch. She called the captain to come out and have a look at it. The whole thing was absurd. The captain said she was satisfied and let me keep the kindle out for the takeoff and then went back to flying preparing for the flight, as she should have been. Most of the time flight attendants are fine and enforce the rules intelligently, it is when they blindly run around barking at passengers, despite their clear lack of any basic understanding of the devices they are talking about, that it becomes absurd. To make her happy, I did not read the kindle until 10k feet and held it in my lap. What a joke.
    • You did the right thing. As drdvde above said, we know the Kindle is safe, and most of the time the crew is cool with it, but once in a while you run into an idiot, so the best thing to do is humor them. It's not really a big deal. I think as more passengers are using tablets, like iPads, FAs will be even more clueless. But in fairness, they're put on the spot when they have to decide who gets to keep keep theirs on and who has to turn theirs off -- Kindle, OK, iPad, not. If a passenger objects and points to your Kindle, I guess it's annoying for the FA to have to explain the nature of liquid crystal versus LEDs blah, blah, blah. I can see that side of the coin.
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  • Since the kindle has 3g - books etc can be pushed at anytime from Amazon.
    So is it not just like a phone - constantly looking for a base station, reporting where it is.
    Understand that Amazon keep track of our local - thus kindle must be telling.
    Hence it needs an flight mode - I don't need any new books whilst flying.
    • It HAS a flight mode. It's called "Turn wireless off." And unless your Kindle has some GPS function that mine doesn't, it can't tell anyone where you are. Like any other wireless device without GPS, your position is determined based on which wireless towers you connect to, not through any function inherent to the phone itself. That's the same with your computer. It's all based on the location of your service provider. Ads on my computer constantly talk about Bryan, TX even though I'm 10 or so miles from there in College Station, TX because my ISP is based in Bryan.

      In short, if the wireless is turned off, you are in airplane mode. And even with your wireless on, your Kindle is not reporting your movements to Big Brother. Sorry to any conspiracy theorists out there, but if 'The Man' wanted to keep tabs on you, surely 'he' could find something more effective than your Kindle to do so.
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  • Nobody keeps his wireless On when reading a Kindle. Your kindle is only on when you are browsing books or downloading them. With Kindle Wireless OFF, nothing is being "pushed," because being OFF, it's not receiving. Kindle OFF is "flight mode."
    • Actually, some people DO leave wireless on. Sometimes they just forget to turn it off. Sometimes they just prefer having it on rather than having to turn it on and off whenever they need to use it. One friend was recently in a situation where some idiots wouldn't allow her access to a cell phone or computer, but WOULD allow her to keep her Kindle. (I know, and I did say they were idiots) She kept in touch with people using the browser function to keep up with email. She certainly kept the wireless on for extended periods. I certainly keep it on overnight if I know that there is an upgrade out there for the OS.

      Amazon can and does push things like that to your Kindle. Sadly they have also been know to PULL things from it, too. There was a big bruhaha a few years ago when Amazon stripped certain books off of customers' Kindles after learning that the publisher didn't actually have the rights to the books in question. Customers argued that if it had been a print book Amazon wouldn't have sent thugs into our homes in the middle of the night to retrieve physical copies they had sold. Amazon said they wouldn't do that again in the future, but I'm not sure whether that has actually been the case or not. I haven't heard of it being done again, though.

      So, in general, I agree that keeping the wireless off most of the time is the best plan, but saying 'nobody' can be a problem. Also, in the case of something like the wireless somehow being an actual threat to something (whether or not that includes plane avionics is not my point here) assuming that the wireless is off because nobody leaves it on could be very dangerous. Like I said, I know I and others have sometimes forgotten to turn off the wireless after buying a book. I'd hate for my own hubris to put others at risk. Everyone should always check to make sure their wireless is turned off if they are asked to for good reason.
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