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Voting through "Your friends" pages, but not your own

On days when there's a lot of spam, it's difficult to vote without the vote button on profile pages.
My suggestion is that when you sign in to artwiculate using your twitter profile, that through the "your friends" link, you can click on your friends pages and vote from their pages, but not your own.
Would this be possible?
If it is it may help a lot of us out.
If anyone agrees, let the Artwiculate crew know, since I don't think this would be too difficult to implement.
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  • I’m sad if this will be reverted back
    I commented that i am not in favor of reverting back to profile voting please see Tidds post for reasons http://bit.ly/93GSfx

    DEl @Ysabeluna
    • Del I read your remarks and I understand your worry. I have also talked about the "clique" problem on Artwiculate and am fully aware that this exists.
      However, I assume that the "Your friends" link brings you to a page where all the friends you follow who play artwiculate are listed. This means that as soon as you see someone new who has posted, you follow them and then they go into "Your friends" page. I think this really could be a good way round the problem. It would certainly prevent the return to self voting from a profile page, which was the main reason it was removed in the first place.
      Thanks however for your comment.
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  • I’m voting for the best
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    I agree this might be the least complicated solution.
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  • Miranda - thanks for your post. However, there's a problem! I'm following probably 95% of the Artwiculati (like Silia, when I spot new players, I follow them). These are all my "friends".

    My Top 100 topic (did you see it?) will
    1. solve the problem of spam
    2. keep voting "blind"
    3. make voting much more manageable

    But requiring a login to vote is certainly a good idea (akh has also suggested this), now the button exists. However, I'd find voting from the pages a harder burden than voting from a filtered 100 list, and also newbies would miss out until they were recognised players.

    I feel very passionately about the '100' (to make voting easier and get more people to vote) and I hope we could get that through? The Artwiculati who are in favour have expressed great enthusiasm so far.
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  • I’m confident that something will be done to deal with the spam question.
    If I understand it correctly the majority of people are concerned with keeping the game as fair as possible and this can only be achieved by blind voting, so I guess my suggestion should be shelved. I do wish we could find a solution to spam though.

    Artwiculate - it is time to look into this problem.
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    If players create a profile by the tweets they create, I am more than willing to retweet those if that profile appeals to me. If they become friends that way I will gladly vote for them.
    So both profile voting and friendly voting are apparently a vital part of Artwiculate, since voting dropped dramatically after voting on a profile page was ended and the discussion on these pages started raging.

    Various players have various profiles and friends. C'est la vie.
    Some may win because of a tweet that appeals to a majority, and others may win with a lousy tweet but with the help of large circle of friends. I may frown on the latter, but hey, that too is la vie!
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    I think this is a good and simple idea.

    Miranda, sorry I didn't reply earlier. I wasn't playing at the time you posted; indeed, the "friends" function hadnt been implemented when i stopped playing. I didn't think it appropriate to comment while not actively playing.

    I like the way Harry has justbdescribed it. "Friendly voting". A bit of friendly voting would go a long way.
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  • One thing I'm a bit puzzled about Miranda. Why does your suggestion preclude voting for your own tweets? Are you saying we should no longer be able to vote for our own tweets, not even once?
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    I think maybe I have not made myself clear.
    One of the problems with profile page voting was that you could go onto your own profile page and vote for your own tweet through this page, not to mention tell people to vote for you (family, friends, etc, who do not play) by sending a link to this page.

    My suggestion is that you sign in on the Artwiculate page.
    You will then be able to vote from "your friends" profile pages (one by one).
    When you click on the people you follow who are listed on this page, you will then be able to vote using the button on these pages, but not on your own profile page which will remain as it is now (with a question mark).

    i.e. I click on TiddK
    I see your tweets of the day and I vote for those I like.

    If I click on My profile. I will not be able to vote for myself.

    However, you will be able to vote for yourself if you wade through all the answers on the standard voting pages (no need to sign in). On a spam day, you might find this tough though.

    Is that any clearer?
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    • Family & Friends could only vote if they were artwiculate players and signed in and they would have to have to use specific page to do so.
      This would mean that Artwiculate would have to make a difference between standard voting and voting when signed in, which I don't think is the case right now.
      You are quite right that this is not the easiest way to vote, but it for those who like voting for people they know do good tweets as a general rule, it might be the solution.
    • I should be in favour of this! (I stopped winning after profile page voting was removed - ironic or what?). There's merit to the idea, although people will find ways around it, I'm sure. Got to be worth considering though.
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  • I’m confident Artwiculate does what's in the best interest of the game & all involved :-)
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    Hi Miranda!

    I had commented in another thread that I indeed like your suggestion as elucidated in this post.

    As I said in my other post, profile voting -in my opinion- was not only more convenient on SPAM days & days w/ limited time to vote, it was also fun for me (obviously a subjective experience). I liked being able to both blind-vote & profile-vote. Now, I also miss voting for tweets I liked & RT'd, even on the days I vote on all the pages: I've even gone through them looking for a particular tweet I knew I missed voting for and could not find it.

    Also, I would not mind if none of us could vote for own tweets, both in profiles AND on the pages. (None would be disadvantaged, only those not currently voting for their own tweets would be advantaged - I love the karmic irony of this :-)

    I'm also mindful of Artwiculate's time & money invested in a labour-of-love project & if they re-instituted profile voting just as it used to be without any changes, I think that would help more of us vote too. I've given up on our refraining from allegations of cabals, proposals to punish those of us who've won often, cheating and the like: they remain regardless of what Artwiculate does or does not do and seem to me to be mostly driven by vendettas, a perception of meritocracy as unjust, or an objection to the game being by definition Twitter-based (meaning social-media based and thereby inherently influenced by social conduct). With my Pollyanna ways, I find the ongoing allegations and WOTD tweets perpetuating such a lot more harmful that any actual misconduct - but that is only my opinion, of course.

    My bottom line -as always- remains that I support whatever Artwiculate wants to do or not do, in whichever way they think is best, inclusive of maintaining the status quo. Artwiculate may see & know more than we do about voting trends and other workings. If they concur with us that more people voting will improve the game, I trust them to figure out how to best do that. They've done an awesome job I think so far, especially considering the game is not even 1 year old and free of charge.

    If Artwiculate were to leave it up to the players to decide what we wanted, I'd support whatever the majority opted for, regardless of my personal preferences. In doing so, I hope all of us will try to be mindful of "the silent majority" too: the players who unlike us here, do not post their preferences and opinions on GS, and several do not even know of the GS forum.

    Thank you, Miranda, for obviously caring about Artwiculate and us players by sharing your well-thought out and constructive ideas and for your graciousness in the way you do such.

    Warm regards.
    • I differ on only one point Silia (excellent post, as ever) : that is the assumption that Artwiculate necessarily know more than we do. As players doing the social thing day in and day out, seeing most of what goes on, analysing results, trends, and tweets... we may, in fact, be the experts on the game! And Artwiculate may actually need our insights to be fully aware of how the game is unfolding.

      I'm not saying this is actually how it is - just that perhaps we shouldn't assume that they are omniscient? Therefore, shouldn't we make our (respectful and appreciative) opinions known here, so that Artwiculate can read, digest, mull, & act (or not) on what we say? The worst case is that we tell them what they already know, the best is that we convey useful feedback.
    • Hmmm... what part of "Artwiculate *may* see & know more than we do about voting trends and other workings" do you differ with Tidd and where did I communicate an assumption? [asterisks added]

      There was a reason I constructed the sentence as I did: it was to convey the possibility -ergo not the certainty- that Artwiculate *may* see things we do not, such as for example, how many unique IP addresses vote, average number of votes cast, fluctuation of numbers of unique IP addresses voting per diem and/or on the weekends, how individual IP addresses voting changed when profile voting was suspended, etc.

      Meaning, Artwiculate has access to and can -if they want to invest the time- observe and analyse everything any one of us players can observe and analyse. But we as players do *not* have access to and *cannot* observe and analyse information only Artwiculate has access to. That was the reasoning of my venturing to suggest it may be possible that they see stuff players do not.

      I spent the majority of my post detailing my subjective opinions on what I thought would work. I am sorry if I did not make it clear that I was doing that because I believe -as you do- that such indeed helps Artwiculate and is partly the purpose of this forum: I assumed such to be self-evident but I was obviously wrong.

      Alas, English *is* my second language: I sincerely apologize to you and everyone for my communications being evidently unclear. Thank you for bringing such to my attention. I will make every effort to ensure I improve my being more precise and intelligible from now on.

      Thank you for your compliment! :-)
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