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Channel Line Up with Digital Tuner and No Cable Box

I can't find any information on my channel lineup from Comcast. I've got a new TV with a digital tuner built into the TV (eg: it receives channels 7-2, 8-1 etc). I don't have this TV hooked up to a cable box. I've got two questions. What is my service level on this TV (is it basic cable?) and What is my channel line up? For the channel line up I'm not looking for channels 2, 3, 4 etc...I'm looking for a iine up that tells me what's on 7-2, 8-3 etc. I'm in 60657.
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  • Great timing for Ceton :-) This is going to increase the demand for their cards.
    Too bad for Silicon Dust since after a month of only basic, people are going to grab whatever is out there and it will probably only be Ceton for a few months.
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  • I’m annoyed....
    I just lost channel 5.1 HD two days ago. Anyone knows what's up? I'm lost KMYQ HD a while back.
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  • only channels i have lost so far that i care for is cartoon network. ive seen some comcast boxes on ebay for sale. ima look into that cuz i refuse to rent any from them. but since mostly everything can be seen online i am not too upset but would like to see the cartoon network on the tv wen i want too tho in my room instead of hittin up the living room.
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  • While what you are doing is great , Please do not forget your legal options against Comcast. 1- FCC has a site that you can file a complaint against Comcast. 2- Attorney general of the state you reside , has a web site that you should file a complaint against Comcast. 3 - BBB is also a great source for filing a complaint. If Every Victim of Comcast Scam takes the time to File a complaint with FCC , State AG & BBB, Comcast will be placed under a great deal of pressure by LAW. They may start thinking about Less Scam and more Honesty. Comcast takes advantage of the fact that each of us acts in frustration and only posts web comments. We can turn this arround by over loading their legal department with properly documented complaints and refuse to settle with them. Hopefully Comcast will either become a honest company [ I do not beleive that is possible], or they will be forced out of business with the force of LAW.
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  • For 3 months after a scan I had CLTV (Chicagoland TV) on at 1.6, they must have pinged the system and now I can not find it anywhere.....anyone have any luck finding this channel? Thanks to all for contributing to this discussion.
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  • We "upgraded" to new flat screen tv's near the end of last year. Comcast had all the channels on it and all was well. Comcast then decided in February of this year to go all digital and remove the analog channels. So we do a re-scan with our new tv's and all we get is the sales channels and local stations. No more CNN, TBS, Spike, the basic channels of cablevision. When asking Comcast, they said we'd need a converter box for each tv to see the cable. Two free and $5 per month for each extra. I'm now kind of put out that I wasted the money on the new tv's. They have a better picture than the old CRT units, but are just as useless to pick up channels, unless of course, we want to pay $60 per year per tv to see the basic cable we have.

    Directv is a much better deal and much better customer service. Yes we need a receiver for each tv, but at least we knew that going in instead of being added on after an "upgrade" to our service. I don't give a rats rear about signal theft, so why upgrade and punish customers for not being crooks. Lie to us but sleep with us and we don't feel so taken advantage of. Sneakily lie to us, and it's a travesty.

    Upgrade to a better signal so you can pay more, and lose channels.
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  • I’m Frustrated
    I see this thread has been going on for some time now. I live in Richmond, VA and our local Comcast has been doing the transition in stages. During those shuffles I had to rescan a couple of times. CNN went from channel 27 to 71-207 and this week disappeared saying signal is scrambled. I still get a few HD channels like Food Network, USA-HD, National Geographics, etc... in the 107 area but I am sure it is only a matter of time before these too will go by-by with the rest. Problem with us is that we don't have an option. Where we live any kind of dish doesn't work due to the satellite positioning being blocked by trees or buildings. They tried several times to get a tech to push the issue but were unsuccessful. So, it is either paying inflated prices for Comcast or doing without until there is an alternative solution.

    As several have said, they have a Monopoly which I am sure the SCC should look into especially with the current forced price hikes due to the transitions. No basic cable for those on fixed income.
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  • 1
    Ok, let me see if I can explain this to everyone.

    1. Get the channel listings here - http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/... go to the home page and put in zip code - this page is for 20784

    2. What comcast is telling you is mostly right. The channels you get through your tuner aren't through them, If you take off the digital feed, you'll get your comcast channels, with it on, ALL the channels because you a have a unit that has an independent tuner. So, if you order basic cable and hook your digital tuner to it, you will get all the digital channels through your tuner. Comcast wont explain it fully because then you might do what I did and cancel al lbut the basic service and watch the 100 or so digital channels and numerous music channels that I get through the tuner in my dvd recorder.'
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  • I’m angry
    mdwesq - there's just no way the below statement is true. My cable runs DIRECTLY from the wall to my DVD recorder (NO digital adapter connected), and I no longer get the digital channels, but I did get them until about 2 months ago. Your day is coming. :)

    mdwesq wrote:
    "The channels you get through your tuner aren't through them, If you take off the digital feed, you'll get your comcast channels, with it on, ALL the channels because you a have a unit that has an independent tuner."

    Furthermore, Comcast IS in control because I don't have an independent cable source. The only cable I get is from Comcast, the monopoly cable provider in my area. All the independent tuners in the world won't work without a cable connected to them. Comcast is in direct control of what flows through that cable, not the consumer.
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  • I don't know why you would say there is NO WAY it is true. That's a bit crazy, but I assure you that I did not come here to lie. My cable wire (coaxial) come thru my wall into my dvd recorder which is plugged into the tv. A couple of months ago, comcast switched to digital and over the course of a few days most of the channels I watched disappeared. I went to my menu, clicked set up- the option for CADTV and it found over 100 channels.

    That is the truth and I have no reason to lie to you. Those are all the facts that I have. Period. If there is 'no way' this could be true, then someone needs to call guiness book or world records or something.

    Also, through googling cadtv, digital channel lineup and a few others, I discovered that there are forums, websites and clusters of people that are all celebrating free digital cable.

    Never assume that the world is limited by your limited knowledge.
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  • Go back and re-read what I replied to, mdwesq. You implied that everyone can get all the digital channels if they "take off the digital feed (whatever that means -- if you are referring to the DTA, I am not using it with my DVD recorders)." Well, that is not true at my house. You also implied that Comcast is not in control of what channels you get. That is patently wrong. Comcast provides the channels through that very coaxial cable coming through your wall, and they are in control. Of that, there is no doubt. I was in the same exact position you are now in until Comcast decided that those digital channels would be scrambled in my area. That occurred just short of 2 months ago. They can and likely will do the same thing to you. Once Comcast scrambles your channels, I have not seen a solution to again getting those channels without a DTA. Like I said, your day is coming.
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  • Chris is exactly right! Comcast in Annapolis MD has progressively eliminated analog AND unscrambled digital channels from its cable -- we lost a dozen channels in the past couple of weeks., Sure there are hundreds of digital channels on the cable - and my new TVs can see them - but since they're scrambled (encoded) it cannot use them.

    The only reason Comcast has chosen to scramble the "basic" channels is to achieve total control over what you can see by requiring their "free" box to see anything. Once this is done they can then repackage the channels to provide maximum revenue ... and, yes, your new TV's tuner is virtually useless on the "new" Comcast.

    I understand the cable infrastructure was provided by Comcast (or its predecessor) at its cost - but they were granted a monopoly in consideration. At some point it is reasonable to remove monopoly protection and unbundle cable content from infrastructure, but that is not going to happen in most areas because the local governments are not powerful enough to overcome the cable influence at the state and federal levels.

    Good luck using your new TV - try connecting to an old-fashioned antenna and see what you can get; it might be better than you think.
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  • I'd had enough of the Comcast crap. After losing all my channels except for the local stations, I decided that if I had to have a set top box, I might as welldo it right. So I got AT&T Uverse this week. Can record all my shows and watch them on any of my tvs. And it ended up being cheaper. And I have WAY more channels, and way more HD channels.

    Comcast lost me because they took away all my channels and decided to charge me more for inferior boxes to watch them.
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  • I’m screwed
    I lost the viewing of my Comcast digital channels from my Digital Tuner TVs. I still have a cable box and DTAs on some of my TVs, but decided to not rent DTAs for the Digital Tuner TVs. I did this for about 6 months until yesterday night!

    I believe that they did not to stop the Digital Channel stealing from the basic subscibers. I think that the basic and digital channel feed coming into our homes are the same, the only way they can control who sees the digital channels now is with their Comcast DTA/boxes. What a drastic tactic on Comcast's part to stop the few fraud users.
    They need to value their paying customers more and invest in technology to control your feeds at the street instead of blocking eveyrone.

    I now need to rent DTAs from Comcast for 4 additional TVs. that is about $4/unit/month. Almost $200/year in additional charges!

    Talk about a screw job from Comcast.
    • You got that right Randy. The same happened to me. I know that they could have handled this better with the technology. There is no reason a single decrypting box at the house entrance could not have been used that decrypts all channels you are entitled to with your subscription. The DTA output is substandard -- it is 20 year rollback in signal quality. Antenna signals are now much better. The latest insult is that I am starting to get programs with digital rights flags set that prevent my recording them to another format than the Microsoft DVR-MS format on my computer DVR. These are Three Stooges programs on AMC that are way out of copyright protection after all of these years -- what is up with that?
    • Fraud is just an excuse that Comcast uses. It seems a lot more likely that they make too money much from set top box rentals and pay per view purchases to allow you to view their signal with a standard DTV.
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  • So do you have 2 DTVs... One for local and the other for HDTV??
    Where are you located?? Have they switch over to digital programming??
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  • I think I a going to go with TIVO, My current DVRs are limited, Replay (analog) and EYETV (clear QAM) and will only record the basic channels. But TIVO supports the cable card, and says the can record the extend basic channels. The cable card counts as one free converters.
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  • Well, the latest and greatest Comcast cable line-up change had nailed me. I have a Digital HD Comcast box in one room, and two tvs for the kids with the new DTAs. I also have two Vizio tvs with QAM tuners that until recently would receive a ton of channels without any DTA installed...HD right out of the cable.

    Now, I had to get a DTA for my office Vizio, because virtually the only channels I could receive were shop at home, religious, 3 local chanels and over 10 spanish channels!

    So, I go down and get a DTA, and I am getting the basic crappy stuff, but no HD!

    Great, thanks for nothing Comcast.
    • Welcome to the club shadow. Their system of naming tiers seems to vary from location to location and from month to month but whatever they call them there are three tiers of channels available; a basic, an expanded basic and a premium. I pay for the second tier but I can't get digital quality unless I pay for the higher cost premium tier and rent an expensive HD box. Only the HD box has a digital output. The DTA is analog out only. The HD channels that were on the second tier were all moved to the top tier. It all seems to be a scheme to force people to move to a higher tier and in addition pay extra money for an HD box for every tuner in the house just to get back to the quality we thought we had contracted and paid for and were receiving.
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  • Theirs a lot more to life than watching TV. You are all wearied about conspiracy's and spying. Try going unplugged, cancel your cable/satellite TV and get out of the house. And I don't mean shopping for more electronic bull. Try taking the kids to the park, biking, hiking. anything that does not involve electronics.
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  • Long Rodny - why aren't you outside instead of sitting in front of your computer typing? Or did you type this from your BlackBerry at the park?

    What a ridiculous statement. I spend most of my free time outside coaching or attending my kids' baseball and soccer games. Get a life.
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  • sent a complaint to the FCC and my local representatives. I hope that others follow suit (links were given above).

    Its time to bring in the trust busters!
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  • Awesome idea Rahabib! Im going to push this on my Facebook page as well...there HAS to be more people that just gave up and pay more, this will give them an opportunity to act!

    Thanks Rahabib.
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  • I’m frustrated
    I'm a Comcast Cable subscriber in Minneapolis, Minnesota and really annoyed with this digital upgrade. I had 5 TV's hooked up to Basic Cable, and now I only have 3. I upgraded to Digital Classic and got one full cable box and 2 digital adapters when they shut down analog. That left 2 of my TV's with little service. I'm not going to pay an additional amount for those 2 extra TV's. Instead, I put up a roof antenna and new wiring. I get 28 over the air channels free in my area for those 2 TV's with DTV converter boxes. I even get channels that aren't available on Comcast, from Wisconsin. If it wasn't for my wife, I would drop Comcast and go with over the air free TV on all the TV's. I don't watch much TV myself, but would miss some of the financial channels. I'm paying more to Comcast than I've ever been paying, and the rates go up every year like clock work. There is no excuse for that. The telephone company hasn't increased my rates for phone or Internet for over 5 years now. No other utility increases rates as often as Comcast does. In a time when people are losing their jobs, taking pay freezes, and cutting spending it seems almost criminal to raise rates every year. I'm thankful that I didn't waste more money buying a new flat screen TV with expectations of using the built in digital tuner with Comcast. I've not only kept all my analog TV's, I picked up several perfectly good used ones that people discarded when they got their flat screen. I've got 7 extra large screen analog TV's stored in my garage now for future use when one of my TV's goes out.
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  • I had DirecTV for five years and service was mediocre and overpriced. I looked at returning to Comcast, my previous provider, and could not get any answers through their online chat system so far as 1.) price, if any, to run wire drop from pole, 2.) new customer offers being available, since I've not been a customer of theirs for five years plus. After seven "transfers to another agent" I gave up. I built a biquad antenna, for less than 10 dollars, and mounted it 12 feet above my roof-line. Between it and DSL feeding my PC, there's plenty of TV to watch, without an additional monthly bill. Give up cable and sat. services people: the format is a failed monopoly, serving business interests, not customers.
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  • My Daughter and Son-in-law gave up cable TV. For a low monthly fee to Netflix they can stream many TV shows along with movies to their computer and TV and with an antenna for local stations they are happy. You still need to pay for high speed internet.

    I am thinking about it. I mainly watch PBS, comedy central, scifi (syfy), AMC, TCM, MSNBC and sometimes the history channel. I haven't tried but I suspect SYFY and MSNBC might be hard to replace over the internet. I can replace AMC and TMC with movies from Netflix and PBS with an antenna. My wife mostly watches the local channels so that is OK for an antenna. It would be inconvenient to be switching sources all the time and would take more planning and less surfing.

    I am also starting to run into the problem of shows (so far only on AMC) being restricted with DRM so that I can't record and watch them using my computer as a DVR -- I am getting messages saying they are restricted content and can't be played on my computer. That is a real bummer.

    With cable we are basically paying a lot of money for only about a dozen channels of interest. That is why the cable monopolies have been fighting providing channels a la carte instead of bundled. With the high bundle prices they are approaching the tipping point where customers will switch to alternatives so they are being really stupid in the long run.
    • I would suggest checking out Roku. We started out with Comcast's triple play for $99, which jumped to over $200 after a year. Dropped comcast phone for ooma and added three Roku boxes for $59 each. You can stream netflix to 6 such devices LEGALLY. Roku also has a ton of free channels and I have never looked back. Still have comcast basic, but we spend most of our time watching the Rokus.
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  • I’m Isabel
    I need to find " NO CABLE LIST in the Philippines , I need to report this on Monday .. ! I cant find !" who want's me to give a list ? please give me right now if you have your hands..so please come on ! thank you ..!
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  • I’m infuriated
    DTA hit my area last week. So instead of offering the same lineup I had ,only in digital and letting me just rescan with my digital tuner, I now have to have a retarded box that turns the digital image to an analog modulated signal so the tv can then demodulate it and show an image worse than the original analog source of 2 weeks ago.

    BURN IN HELL COMCAST!
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  • Sometimes you have to take matters into your own hands. It may take 3 hours, but it can be done, as I have, to a partial degree. After you set up your digital TV tuner with auto-scan, go through each channel and see who/what is on that channel number. One and two-digit numbers are analog. I did that with all the HD content and hand-wrote a channel guide for myself. Then I copied the lineup into a spreadsheet and printed it. Forget asking Comcast for the line-up, you'll get the run-around and non-answers that make zero sense, mainly because they want you to rent a cable box. For many channels you'll have to rent one, as they don't come in directly via a digital QAM tuner. Another option is to ask for two digital to analog digital stream converters, provided for free. Here's the catch, their only output is RF (ch. 3 or 4) to your TV, the least quality analog output available, and no HD.
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  • I’m pooping
    antennaweb.com is the answere for free for regular digial tv (HD) with my homade coathanger antenna. Comcast my internet provider and mobile internet is cheaper so include mobile 3-4G basically for the same price as just comcast internet. Verizon and horizon suck because you have to also pay the local landline phone company to get inernet which doesn't include tv or mobile(thats extra). Clear ( every antenna is owned by a different entity) don't leave town with it, clear is only local and cost more than local cable in pixlestrenth for the buck. Just my experience but CBS does go OUT whenever a major event broadcast is scheduled for some odd reason as if they look the other way while comcast blocks the signal. Then CBS comes in perfectly in HD the very next day every time. Hmmm
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  • I can't tell you your exact channel lineup. but I can tell you what the .1 .2 channels mean. All digital television channels channels use PSIP, Program and System Information Protocol, which can contain a wealth of information. The only thing that it is required to contain is the rating of the current show playing for parental control function. The .1 etc channels are virtual channels.. Virtual channels only come from broadcast stations. Broadcast channels usually have bandwidth larger then required to run a channel. Rather then waste the bandwidth, many broadcast channels opt to run extra Virtual channels. Cable networks don't buy "bandwidth". There isn't extra space they paid for to waste. So they don't have virtual channels. The PSIP defines which portions of the bandwidth contain the virtual channels and they are numbered 33.1, 33.2 etc. The standard max is 8 virtual channels, though theoretically the number could be nearly limitless, depending on virtual channel resolution. Cable companies send Broadcast channels to your TV in the exact same format, they just change the channel number it sends it to. For instance here FOX 43 is channel 5 on cable. However, It can't change the PSIP, so your TV tuner splits the channel up accordingly. This means that virtual channels, on cable have nothing to do with the channel they appear under. Cable boxes interpret virtual channels differently and assign them unique channels, or none at all.

    Broadcast stations can, and will change virtual channels at any time. A lot of them are cheap syndicated "networks" with old TV shows or whatever. Looping the last local newscast is a popular virtual channel style also. If a virtual channel isn't getting good ratings, they can easily be replaced with another syndicated network. It's much cheaper then designing a new channel from scratch. Virtual channel listings aren't even listed in local newspapers. At least not in our local paper. I hate to defend the cable companys, but if the Broadcast channels aren't willing to publish virtual channel listings, why should cable networks? Cable networks may not think these add value to their lineup, so they don't assign them channels. Since many virtual channels are syndicated, it's quite possible you can have multiple copy's of them and redundant channels are eliminated By the cable box. This is why HD local channels, are often numbered with no connection to the regular version. Sometimes cable company's will put HD local channels in their HD package plan. Making them unavailable on their box if you don't have the package. So you might be getting channels not available with a cable box. You pay EXTRA for the box, then Comcast may charge you EXTRA again to access these channels on occasion. This can be bypassed by installing a coax splitter and running the cable directly into your TV's unused coax connection, since absolutely nothing uses coax input anymore.

    PSIP can contain lots of optional things too. Limited programing guides, and a short channel name, local time. You'll notice that many channels on your TV will be displayed with the channel name. ABC, NBC etc. This is not a feature of cable. The PSIP is the sole responsibility of the channel/network owner. It can't be changed by the cable company, however as I said earlier, it can change how the cable box interprets them. The reason to be pissed at the Comcast is if you pay for the box, and then possibly get charged extra *again* to access channels that are technically sent to your TV for free.

    So basically, the lack of information on virtual channels is the sole fault of the channel. They can broadcast channel guides and all kinds of stuff with no actual extra broadcast costs. Just the limited cost it takes to have a secretary type it.
    • I just had a thought, almost all broadcast channels are network affiliates.. Virtual channels would then be competing with the network during prime time. Affiliates could be contractually obligated to limit the promotion of virtual channels to maintain the right to broadcast ABC, FOX or whatever. The Networks would never admit this if it is true. It would be bad PR.
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    The best way to get a channel lineups WITHOUT A CABLE BOX is
    http://www.silicondust.com/support/ch...

    For a listing of you local channels you can pickout with an antenna go here.
    http://www.tvfool.com/

    The cable companies excuse that the channels change too much or the will show different numbers is BULL. It is a called a digital STANDARD for a reason. Only a very TVs will show the wrong number if they came out BEFORE the standard when HDTVs first came out. They print a channel lineup for cable boxes and not for without a box because they want to RENT you a box for $10 a month or $120 a year.
    All of the local TV channels can be picked up with an antenna despite the cable companies telling people you need to subscribe to have ANY TV channels.
    All but the premium channels should be FREE since they put MORE commercials (20 minute per hour) than FREE TV (15 min per hour). And they are almost ALL repeats when FREE TV has new shows. Cable TV is a RIPOFF and should be FREE since it is all repeats !

    Also, a electronic program guide is part of the DTV standard but Time Warner REMOVES IT so you can only have a program guide if you have a cable box! They are supposed to rebroadcast the signal UNCHANGED !

    It's no accident that there are no digital recorders in most stores that carry VCRs. They do make them but they cost about $200 at Best Buy. If you buy one of these with an antenna you will have most of the shows without the cost.

    Digital antennas are a marketing gimmick. All antennas are analog. Build your own by searching build and antenna. Search Hoverman for the best antenna ever made
    for TV and it is FREE.at
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    A simple antenna but not as good but much better than most at the store.
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    You can get the cheapest cable with ONLY the local channels for $14 a month from Time Warner but they will try to tell you they don't have any plans less than $60 a month. Ask to speak to a supervisor if they won't let you get that plan if you don't watch the other channels. I have terrible reception in my area which is the ONLY reason I have cable. I am sick of PAYING FOR ALL REPEATS. Check the TV listings, the only new shows are on FREE channels ABC,NBC,CBS,FOX,CW,etc.

    Someone put a petition to make basic cable with all its commercials FREE. They pay about 1 cent per channel per month for less than $1 per month ! Paying $60 a month is a RIPOFF!!! They are a monopoly that has been paying off politicians for years !

    Make cable FREE except for the premium channels which should only be $1 to $2 per month at most !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • I’m So Angry It's Funny
    Well this entire discussion is F-ING hilarious! The best part was when David Younglove, either a complete idiot or outright liar and "a Comcast technician" posted as if he was some sage in the know.

    "Wow! A lot of whining and conspiracy theorys. I am a Comcast technician."

    Dave, you're a technician. If you had any access to the real reasons why something is or is not the way it is, then you wouldn't be a technician, you would be an executive making decisions.

    Has anyone ever had cable problems and called out a 'technician' they come out, do nothing, then tell you they didn't find any problems but just in case they will re string the end of the cable and leave you some extra cable wiring and tell you how sometimes the ends get corroded...bla bla bla... long story short, this is a group of people who don't actually do anything. So why would I think that this bozo has any credibility whatsoever??

    WHATEVER THE REASON for the new 'decimal' channels, on televisions without a converter box, why is it 'impossible' to keep an accurate lineup? How many billions of dollars do these assholes rob each year?!

    Hire an intern, to keep track of schedule changes across all departments and update the F-ING web site. It's that F-ING simple!!! It doesn't have to be perfect, but provide something, ANYTHING!!!

    So there are only 2 conclusions here, Comcast is populated by complete dumb asses at the executive levels and/or they don't give a shit about providing you with a channel line up.

    (furthermore, the only channel with REAL HD is the spanish channel, go figure, the contrast is so stark that there is no mistaking what real HD looks like and it comes through on regular cable, but that's a totally different discussion...)
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  • Thanks for the post! I've been looking at getting a home theater installer to come in and get my theater done, but I didn't know what channels I'd have without cable. I guess I'll have to wait a little while.
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  • These channels in the decimals example 2.1, 2.2, 2.3... Are over the air, antena channels. The hd tv has a special built in digital tuner simular to those digital antena boxes or what's built into the cable box. These channels may or may not be in HD and the cable box picture format will not control the format of these channels, however the tv format settings will. They may not be the optimal settings for the format being broadcast. Changing your tv picture format ie (zoom, wide, normal, 4:3) may improve picture quality on these stations. You then may have to change format when going back to cable stations. Look for a shortcut button on the remote to save some time. Cable companies cannot provide a a channel lineup for these channels because they do not broadcast these stations and you do not pay them for these. Contact your local antena broadcaster for a line up, sometimes have a phone number on the website if the site has no lineup, do an online search perhaps. If your having difficulty contact your local government center as they set the guidlines on local broadcasting.
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    • I read that all those millions of cable boxes that don't turn off but use electricity 24 hours a day are considered a significant waste of energy. Legislation has been proposed to require boxes that turn off when the TV is not being used -- how do you figure the cable companies will lobby on that one. My three DTAs don't turn off with the remote. My newest HD box does turn off with the remote so maybe there is some progress.
    • Our digital TV draws about 100W when on but less than 1W when "off", manufacturer's specs. Don't know what the Xfinity analog TV adapter draws, but the power brick is UL rated at about 6 watts. Judging from the heat given off by the box it's about half or 3-4 watts. That's maybe just 5 watts for one TV. That doesn't amount to much in terms of dollars ($.36/month/TV) per household. Regardless, a little extra investment in the adapter or the remote could result in a straight through coax connection with the adapter box powered off by just a button-push on the remote. [Our TV remote allows turning off the TV and each connected device individually. It came with the TV which was a good buy to begin with!]
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  • @juiciiifroot Your information is absurdly wrong. Take the time to read the thread before posting.

    We're talking about PAID-FOR cable channels like CNN, Disney, TNT, etc. -- that Comcast moves around willy-nilly without every publishing where they moved those channels to, leaving their PAYING CUSTOMERS to figure out where each channel went by flipping through every single channel. It's an obvious abuse of their monopoly. This has nothing to do with broadcast channels.

    You sound like a shill for Comcast. Please stop posting misinformation.
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  • This has been quite the discussion. I've read it from the start, and landed here trying to find information about WCVB in Boston possibly going off the air. Many of my technical questions about this whole changeover from analog to digital transmission of TV have been answered.

    Though this idea may have been in the mind of President Clinton, it was implemented by Bush, and, as expected, has wreaked havoc with all kinds of people. The worst result of this greed driven action is that more and more people "in" this country are being cut off from information "about" this country by making it increasingly unaffordable, whether through television, computer, and possibly even radio. This needs to be stopped. We do not live in a third world country, nor do we live under a dictatorship. Open and free broadcasting of local and national news must remain free and easily accessible, as well as a minimal level of educational and entertainment programming to keep ALL citizens aware and up to date on the progression of our society.

    We as a Democratic Society simply can't allow so many people to be cut off from this kind of communication and to be further cut off from the rest of the world. It is dangerous and unfair and will ultimately lead to dangerous politics.

    I would have preferred to see the "Occupy Wall Street" movement develop even further to address a particular "coporate greed" issues such as this which could eventually become destructive to the functioning of our society.

    For those of you that fear our government and the role it is meant to play in our lives, re-read all of the above and then re-think the purpose of regulation. Regulation, when handled properly, is meant to protect us from all of the above problems we have been experiencing. And it only happens through our government when we demand they stand up for us against such entities as "monopolies" as someone stated, so that the playing field is leveled, and we the consumers do not get continually screwed into oblivion.

    Write, write, write to your politicians and consumer protection and legal agencies and protest, protest, protest whenever and howver possible to make our communication system what WE want it to be and what WE believe we are paying for! If those that are managing it can't make it work for us then those people, companies, politicians need to GO and be replaced by those who can.

    I'll be writing with you!

    Not lol
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  • This whole discussion is about CABLE channels NOT broadcast (over air) channels. The digital changeover some rail about concerns broadcast channels received by antenna not cable channels and is controlled by the federal government. What the people here are talking about is the channel lineup of cable channels as provided over a cable by Comcast. This is under Comcast's control and they have their own plan and schedule.

    Comcast is also changing over from analog to digital representation on their cable. This is totally independent of the broadcast changeover. Some people connect directly to their TV tuner and some use a Comcast box which has its own tuner. Therefore depending on how you hookup your cable there are two possible cable channel lineups (actually 3) -- one that the TV tuner assigns for analog channels, one that the TV tuner assigns for digital channels and one that the Comcast assigns through their converter box.

    Comcast is also changing channels from being "clear" or unencrypted to encrypted. This means that channels which could be received by a direct connection to the TV tuner now require a Comcast box to decrypt or decode the digital channel before it can be viewed.

    As Comcast changes the cable channels from analog to digital and from clear to encrypted a shuffle in the channel assignment (frequencies for analog and digital channels) occurs which is what is causing people to complain about having to reprogram their TV tuner channels. This is rapidly becoming moot. Once the changeover is complete, all of the analog channels will be gone and nearly all digital channels will be encrypted. No one will be able to use a direct connection (except for the very basic lowest tier service which is mostly local broadcast channels) to their TV without using a Comcast cable box. There will be only one channel lineup that matters -- that provided by Comcast for their cable boxes.

    You may or may not like this. I don't. The channels should be provided clear to a home so that we can use our fancy HD TV tuners without the need for a cable box on every TV. A single box at the home entrance or on the pole would suffice to decrypt the channels paid for and send them into the home to combat cable piracy. Simple investigation and law enforcement should replace the cable box on every TV.
    • Russell, I don't like this either, but it has become part of one or more larger political issues. There are ways around it if we can be flexible. [Yes, this issue is not the only thing wrong with our Western culture!] We who have digital TVs paid for the technology to access cable. In a very short time it has become nearly unnecessary. This is the behavior that our culture has fostered in the competitive marketplace. There are also shadow markets which support other technologies. Personal computers are becoming faster, stronger and more versatile. Decryption is becoming quicker but so is password cracking. Things will change. ISPs may be replaced by personal wireless WANs. The technology is here now. It just takes someone to put it all together. Linux operating system use is increasing. Our children are smarter and more tech-savvy than ever before. Look what happened with Android phones: they now threaten Apple.
    • After Comcast started encrypting the the channels, I gave up on using my built in tuners, and bought /subscribed to Tivo (which can take a cable card), It's funny that the Tivo device can keep track of the HD and SD channels every day, but Comcast can't. I like Tivo because that way I'm not paying Comcast for their PVR and can copy the recordings off the unit and watch them on my computers from any room or portable device. My digital TV now acts like a monitor, fed by various video sources. In my area, Comcast is till transmitting the standard network channels as analog, in addition to their digital equivalents. I never watch live TV anymore, but record shows, so I can skip through the commercials. It appears channel shuffling has settled down, as I haven't had to resynchronized my digital clear QAM tuners, once I did my own channel mapping.
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    • It's seldom an easy answer: if you have a Comcast cable connection then regardless of where you live, you get the channel list by doing an auto channel scan to find all the channels. Here is one tedious way to go by using the steps:

      1. Connect the Comcast TV cable directly to the back of your digital TV, bypassing any set-top boxes and disk players.

      2. Set the TV options to the (coax) cable and digital TV.

      3. Run the automatic channel scan to completion (this may take a while!)

      4. Write down all the channel numbers on a sheet of paper or a laptop computer.
      (If there are none or if none of them have a program,
      then you are out of luck and might as well use an antenna.)

      If there are channels (most likely) and if any channels have a program,

      5. As you discover the FCC station name (usually 4 letters starting with a "K" or a "W")
      and/or the network name, write those down next to the channel.
      Note 1: You may need to wait some time for the station to announce its name and network.
      Note 2: If you have another TV connected to an analog box, you will be able to identify some channels by matching the broadcast images. (For us at least, the analog channels tend to lag behind the digital channels a few seconds.)

      6. For the programming associated with the channels, you will need to consult a TV Guide magazine for your area or the internet TV Guide for your zip code. You can also "google" the station or network's program schedule listings.

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      Another way is to use the information some else has posted online for your area.

      There is one final caveat: any list you make may be temporary as Russel has mentioned above.

      I made a list of the January 2012 channels and networks for Augusta, Georgia into a spreadsheet and then into a pdf file. I can post or email the list should someone request it.
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