New and Old guns request

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why dont you guys add FA-MAS, Steyr AUG, Tavor TAR 21, L85A1, FN SCAR, FN-FAL, SIG 510, M14, SOAR (Specail Operations Assault Rifle)....

or the OLD guns like

M1 GARAND,EM-2, CRISTOBAL(CARBINE), StG 45, SKS, MG42, ARISAKA, Chauchat, Mondragón, Browning M1918, and Thompson....

Or guns from 1930's - 1990's it would be really awesome!
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I'd like to have a P90 and a G3.
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Be patient. New guns will come in.

In a few months.
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I would love to see the Ak-47, i'm tired of shooting 5.54. More pistols would be nice, unique ones such as Five-seveN, or the PMR 30.
Also would love to see the M6A2, you never see that gun anywhere and its actually a really unique weapon. And I don't believe the StG 45 was ever mass produced, but its plans were used to make the G3.
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go look up Combat Arms i use the m6a2 ALL the time xD
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Ryan2330

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Wonderful gun really, I don't understand why more militaries are not using the 6.8.
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Because war isn't won by shooting the enemy. It's won by logistics and strategy.
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Robin, everyone knows that the better equipped army has a huge advantage. An war isn't one by one thing. It's not just logistics and strategy, nor is it just gear. But face it, without gear, you can't get from point a to point b, and without tactics, gear is just a useless tool. Personally, a wider array of specialized weapons would be awesome.
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The 6.8 is a new round. Every army on the planet has a large supply of the round that their assault rifle uses already stored up. And those armies have crates designed with the shape of their current guns and magazines and boxes that the rounds come in. Their combat equipment such as load bearing vest, web gear type systems, etc,etc. are built around the size and shape of their current magazines.
Their ammo consumption projections, and therefore planning are based around the current round.
Training methods are based around the current weapon and ammo. Tactics are based around the round being used.
Heck even the paper work they have is based around it.

SO in addition to having to buy new bullets, they have to get rid of the old ones, to make room. And then every feature I mentioned above would have to be bought, and the old ones disposed of.

Switching to a radically new round is why the 6.8 isn't being used by more militarys.
It would be a big fat expensive hassle.
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There is already a TAR-21 or the Tavor...it is the fa-223 in the fuel post...
But I love the FA-MAS,
I also want to request this following weapons:

1.L96A1 AWM sniper rifle
May it can have a decent damage but low attack speed,

2.M82A1 .50 cal Barett Sniper Rifle
May it can a very high damage,mediocre attack speed but very high noise....

3.FN SCAR
Good damage and accuracy but medium attack speed

4.A RPG Launcher???
AOE damage of course and also can 1 hit knock out zombies of course but a very slow reload...^^

Well that my comments,
Sorry again for my bad English...xD
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RPG Launchers don't work that way. If you were to use them as an anti infantry weapon, you would probably only get one. And if the charge went off, then it would only hit enemies behind them in a conical pattern. Also, the Back Blast would probably kill anyone behind you. Most have a minimum arming distance of around 10-20 metres.

I do like the idea of AOE weapons, however you have to consider Friendly Fire, and realism factors for Indoors.
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Ding Ding Ding!!!! When I saw RPG I heard my old Drill Sergeant in my head screaming your forgot to check your blast area! Back Blast Area Clear!!!!!!
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Joshua Bustalinio

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what i really like is the old guns... those guns are awesome!
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Joshua Bustalinio

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imagine killing a fatty with a M1 Garand or a Thompson..

and those kinds of guns should be found inside houses NOT in a STREET or SECURITY...

or they should add a museum!!!

That is what is inside my head right now...
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M1 Garand is just a really nice looking .30-06 or 30 aught 6. But I agree they should add them, definitely my favorite WW2 weapon!!
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I'd love to see a M1 Garand too, even if it turns out to be Fuel Trading Post exclusive.
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Kakit Lai

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yeah, and one must appear in the game---Desert Eagle !
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Kenn-Ethic

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There is a gun that looks like a Dessert Eagle in The Fuel Trading Post - Manning High Power .50.
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Love the Thompson.
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I know more content will come when the game goes live but I would love to equip a Steyr AUG scoped on my main and Recons, M60 or M240B on the Fighters, MP5 Navy or a 1911 on my Medic and Glock 19's Improvised to Full Auto with Drum clips on my Engineers..... XD.
I am a casual player so I might not be as high in level as some of you so if these guns exist in the game be nice when you correct me I will find out eventually. 1911's are pretty popular so i am sure they are in here already anyways.
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Slow down guys. You want more guns? Play JA2 1.13. You will get more guns you will ever need.

Some unique guns with custom looks for flavor? Sure.
Shitloads of guns with barely noticeable difference? Spare me.

In the end it will be one(two, three) gun, that owns them all. Atm SAW and M24 are top-notch and there is no real point in using any other guns (unless you ahev unspecialised class. but even with that in mind SAW > all pistos, shotguns AND smg's).

Not to mention it will increase load times (probably not much, but still).
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Con said they will be balanced in the future.
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Yes, but thats not the issue. If you have 100 guns and like 3-4 different parameters - you wont make different guns. You'll make guns that LOOK different. Which is, imo, useless and not worth the time.
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JUST WAIT FOR THE NEXT UPDATE GUYS!!!!
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Why are you finding it necessary to scream this at us? Try to be at least semi personable and realize were just having a freaking conversarion.
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:)
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Patrick Araujo

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More scoped weapons... or accelerate the work to release the crafting :/
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Barret M82
Dragunov SVD
P90
Colt 1911

M79 (M1029 Crowd Dispersal)

THESE ARE BASIC!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!! XD

Milkor MGL M32 (Fuel Buy)
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Dragunov and P90 are very foreign weapons, the game is set in America.
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Wong Yew Weng

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"In the United States, the P90 is in use with over 200 law enforcement agencies, including the U.S. Secret Service." - Wikipedia
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LOL. Do you have any idea how many law enforcement agencies there are in the united states?

There are dozens of Federal law enforcement agencies.
There are also dozens of federal agencies that have their own law enforcement units.
There are 50 states, each of which has some variant of highway patrol or state troopers.
There are thousands of counties each of which has a sheriff's department as well as a DA's Office, Code Enforcement divisions, and many have other Law enforcement agencies.
There are tens or even hundreds of thousands of cities with Police Departments as well as other Law Enforcement Agencies.

So your fifty agencies make up less then 1% of 1% of the law enforcement agencies.

And really, citing directly from Wikipedia rather then citing an actual source?

You might as well say " This guy in this chat room told me so..."
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There are literally Hundreds of thousands of Law Enforcement agencies in the united states, at a large number of levels from federal, to State, to County, to city, and even within many cities suburbs and "Special districts" have multiple law enforcement agencies

So your 200 agencies is less then 1% of 1%.

And your citation is worthless.

there is no such source as "Wikipedia".
Wikipedia is a program that that allows for user written data bases.
so several important facts that render your citation worthless.
1) You never said what website useing the Wikipedia common license you used.
For instance were you citing the call of duty wikipedia (callofduty.wikia.com), or the Battlefeild3 wiki (wikigameguides.com/Battlefield-3/wiki/P90-16194) ? If so than your citation would only apply to the fictional background created for that video game.

2) literally anybody can post on most wiki pages, making you citation mean nothing more than if you had attributed your quote to " Some dude I talked to on the subway on the way home."

There is a wikipage that makes the *CLAIM* that 200 law enforcement agencies use it. It cites a video commercial put out by the manufacturer of the P90. And that video has since been removed by the company.

So basically you are getting information from an infomercial that has since been removed by the publisher.
And we all know how reliable and totally honest megacorperations are in Infomercials, especially ones that they have removed from circulation. ( note sarcasm)

The wikipage only names 17 of these alleged agencies, the majority of which are police departments in tiny little towns no one outside of the county they are in have ever heard of. And they aren't even general issue in most of those. The page specificly lists the users as the CRT or SWAT teams, not the department as a whole. Of those 17, they provide "number purchased" for only five of them. The total purchases listed add up to exactly 100 guns. Of those 100, 52 are from one agency.

so your lame attempt at a source actually supports my position not yours.
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You said it was too foreign, I just pointed out that there are organizations in the United States that do use it. Why are you making a mountain out of a molehill?
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Because I have the right to say "I don't think this weapon should be included and this is why".
Than you tried to claim that my reasoning was invalid.

I'm not making a mountain out of a molehill, i'm just supporting my opinion.
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Just making sure that I understand you clearly, the FN P90 and Dragunov are, in your opinion, too foreign to be in the game.

If by foreign, you mean exactly "of, pertaining to, or derived from another country or nation; not native", then yes, I would claim your reasoning is invalid. The game already has several weapons of foreign origins.

The AK-47 and AK-74 are from the former Soviet Union, like the Dragunov. The Glock series of handguns originate from Austria. The Venom MP (renamed Beretta 93R) and the Tactical Shotgun (renamed SPAS-12 with box magazine) are from Italy. The H&K UMP-45 is German in origin. The IMI Uzi is from Israel.

Also, by the definition of foreign given above, the M249 SAW would count as well, as it is an American version of the Minimi, which originates from the same company as the P90, the Belgian FN Herstal.

If you meant it as "not available in great numbers", then no, I would not claim your reasoning is invalid, but I would suggest using more appropriate terminology to avoid further misconceptions.
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FN P90 is a rare weapon. What would be the chances you can find it in Union City (remember: as long as it's not fuel trading post unique golden weapon you can find it infinite amount of times)?
Both 762x39 and 545x39 variants of AK (no matter what's the manufacturer) are very common, no matter where you are. Many hobbyists use them. Same goes for SVD ("dragunov"), even if it is less common. Glock is very common, both in law enforcement and in practical (shooting hobby. "Obstacle course with guns").
So it doesn't matter where the weapon comes from. What matters is how rare it is in fictional city called Union City (is Union City even in US?).
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I just wanted to be sure on what he meant here, saves on a lot of pointless arguing. Anyway, it looks like it's on the East Coast, according to the map in TLS2, but it's never out-and-out stated to be in the US.

As for how rare it is in Union City, that's up to Con.
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My argument is valid, you are being pedantic in an effort to avoid admitting you are wrong.

1) Foreign also can mean " exotic, not commonly seen or available,"
Which both of those guns certainly are in America.
2)Your counter examples are all Red herrings. The Kalashnikovs are *COMMON* weapons, in their civilian versions one or the other of them can be found in almost every one of the millions of hardware stores in big and small towns in America that sell fire arms. ( And full auto conversion kits or plans are cheap and commonly available) The Spas-12 is 33 years and has been available in the civilian version the entire time. It is so common that it is the generic image that most people, and most game companies, have in their mind for "Semi-auto shotgun" Once again a weapon widely available and common to the United states. (and the one in the game is a SPAS-15, not-12) The H&K MP-5 series of SMGs has been the premier family of such guns for decades, in both military, police and civilian usage in western civilization for an entire generation. The UMP-45 is just the same weapon in .45acp. It is easily recognizable and both widely and deeply spread across America. The UZI is 58 years old and was the most commonly seen and used SMG and "carbine" until usurped by the MP5 line. Both it and the MP-5 have been issued to hundreds of thousands of Law enforcement, and security agancies in the USA, as well as both being adopted by Paramilitary forces, and our own armed forces.

3)And really your bringing up of the SAW is laughable. the M-249 has been adopted by by the US Army and US Marine Corp since 1985. ( So it's been standard issue for what twice as long as you have been alive) It has been used in every conflict America has been in since then. American's have been bombarded with images of it. It isn't the least bit exotic. And it is manufactured at the FN factory in Columbia, South Carolina. The P-90 isn't manufactured in the US, hasn't been adopted by line infantry, and hasn't been shown on the nightly news and in movies being used by American soldiers for almost three decades.

4) None of what you said address the fact that your citation was weak, and following it to it's source actually bolstered the case *AGAINST * your position.

If you want to talk suggestions: I suggest you do your research rather than trying to weasel your way with pedantic attacks, next time you try to disagree with someone who has done their research.
Especially in a language that isn't your native language.
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.... well, if all you're going to do is launch ill-informed insults, then I suppose there's no point in further arguments. However, as you hold some grave misconceptions on what I meant, which is likely due to your affliction with dyslexia, which you have mentioned long ago, I will answer your points this time.

1) I had already covered this in my last paragraph of my previous response to you:
"If you meant it as "not available in great numbers", then no, I would not claim your reasoning is invalid, but I would suggest using more appropriate terminology to avoid further misconceptions."

2) My examples were for the possibility that you had meant it in its most commonly used meaning, which you did not, therefore they are invalid. However, you have decided it was a pedantic attack on your arguments based on the meaning you have given it in your first point, despite my clear statement:
"[If] (emphasis added) by foreign, you mean exactly "of, pertaining to, or derived from another country or nation; not native"
a) Also, I must point out that the SPAS-15 does not possess the folding stock the Tactical Shotgun shares with the SPAS-12, nor does it have the same appearance. The only commonality the SPAS-15 has with the Tactical Shotgun, aside from being a semi-automatic shotgun, is that it has a box magazine.
b) Strictly speaking, the UMP series is a different series meant to succeed the MP5. It may share design features and considerations with the MP5, but it is not a MP5 rechambered for .45 caliber rounds.

3) It is still based on a Belgian design, which is why I brought it up in relation to the possible meaning stated above. However, I have said nothing about the P90 being equivalent to the M249 in availability, but was simply pointing out that they originated from the same company.

4) And I have stated before that I was merely pointing out that it is in use by some organizations in the United States, which you have apparently ignored. I have never held the position that the P90 is a commonly available weapon in the United States.

If you want people to properly discuss these things with you, flying off the handle and resorting to insults based on incorrect assumptions, as you have been doing in each of our previous arguments, is the worst way of going about it.
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M3
G36
Railgun
Laserrifle

(Sci-Fi Weapons as an extra :D)
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WTF? Laser Rifle in an zombie apocalypse? nononononono.. M3 and G36 its acceptable...but it good the idea...maybe Con will put that weapons at 10,000 Fuel :D
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This is the zombie Apocalypse. Not star wars. If you want those high tech weapons. Go play something else weedy.
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AK47 is almost like AK74, which is almost like RK62, which is almost like ... And so on. The only big difference is the appearance (and in this example 95% of internet users can't even distinguish them from each other. Every single one of them is AK47 to them). No, I think we don't really need all the guns in the world. We need something what gives new depth and usefulness.

Flamethrower would be such a weapon. As would grenades or improvised explosives. And of course minigun (according to wikia it's already in development). Also improvised weapons with unique effects (not just single-action pistols/rifles). Fallout 3 junk thrower is a good example of uniqueness, and truly something you can call improvised.

More creativity, less geardo. That's my two cents.
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Desert Eagle.
Scar Heavy/Light.
Glock.
and what happened to the sawn off shotgun? i dont have any of those.
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The Desert Eagle (or something that heavily resembles it) is available in the Fuel Trading Post as the Manning High Power .50.

Which Glock do you mean? The 17 (9mm pistol) and 18 (9mm machine pistol, Fuel Trading Post only) models are already in-game.

Sawn off is a condition for shotguns now, and a bad one at that. Drops accuracy by 5%, no bonuses.
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Maybe there could be a category as mini-guns OR heavy machine guns??
Con can create a few weapons without a certain reference too!!!
Like there could be a LMG (Or Heavy) That is fed with a box like magazine (that is larger, of course) And that looks light-greenish-white. And surpasses the other machine gun. And they can use medium machine guns too in this game!!
Maybe the weapons in the trading post can come back but at later levels (level 23+) Just that the ones sold at the outpost will be the earlier level weapons, but can be sold in later level versions.
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Ah the flamethrower... if only it didn't need fuel to work XD.

I see more in a propane powered flamethrower. Or that weird crossbow thing that was in the survival kit.

as for heavy machine guns.

You try walking around al day with this in your hands.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fli... (it's funny because the pic name has lighweight in it, although almost weighing 60 kilos)

They would do for base defence. as you'd assign someone to a fixed turret, but finding one of these in union city would be a pain in the behind (let alone getting it to your compound).

it would even be a problem with medium machine guns (MMG) which is forgoten often by people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium_m...
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Ya. The problem with a flamethrower is the same with a chainsaw: It needs something to work (and it isn't wood, metal or cloth...). ;)

And I wouldn't pick "Ma Deuce" if I have to choose HMG. This is much better: http://tlaststand.wikia.com/wiki/Minigun :P

And I like your idea of static defenses. However, MMG's don't weight THAT much. I agree: You can't sprint while carrying one, and often MMG is CSW with 2 man crew (other person is carrying tripod and extra ammunition). But they are manageable by only one person. But then comes the other part: I want to see someone shooting 7.62x51 750 rounds per minute while standing...
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I'll say no to flamethrowers because logically they use fuel, a lot of fuel.
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http://genrental.com/wp-content/uploa... Windmill powered chainsaw :D

Now to find an extension cord long enough to lead through the whole city...
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@Kenn-Ethic
What about firearms? Logically they use ammunition, a lot of ammunition. ;)
But ya, the line must be drawn somewhere. Maybe we could have a weapon or two that consumes fuel. It would mean that it wouldn't be very popular one.

@Bryan
Thanks. Now come over here and clean all the coffee I just spilled because of you!
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@Gekkibi
Bullet's aren't made finite, simply because of micromanaging, to many cartridge types, and lot's of other stuff. Even if they were finite though, we can craft bullets, but not fuel.

Sorry about the coffee though. I wen't on wikipedia and it says the longest extension cord would be around 100 feet.... that's not gonna do it :/
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@Bryan
Not during compound defense... ;)
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Lol Touche. But still, they have a reason why they made ammunition unlimited. As for a flamethrower and the existence of fuel in the game, it wont be realistic if it shoots unlimited fuel, right?
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@Gekkibi
I guess you're right... but don't go chase the zombies, just let them come to you, else you might trip over the wire XD. (i guess this might actually be an advantage as well)

http://www.sixwise.com/images/article...

@Kenn-Ethic
I'll throw my money to the person who would be able to get the flamethrower ammo... Unlimited fuel.... hmmmmm. even better then donuts.
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I would think that the flamethrower will eventualy be a fuel trading post item, that once you buy it (for fuel) it is unlimited ammo like every other weapon.
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it's bee addressed by Staff. The " How to code and balance burning zombies" problem is one they found to be a real tarbaby.
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The AS-12 with this ammunition would be excellent for screwing up weapon balancing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zesdXj...
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I am completly sorry for necroing this but most people don't like standalone posts when there are other posts where you can put your ideas on.

Potential Stats for The Thompson Submachine Gun aka Tommy Gun or Chicago Typewriter.



Damage per shot: 20-24

Accuracy: 37.5%

Magazine Size: 50

Noise: 10

Attacks per second: 7.03

Reload Speed: 3.75 seconds

Effective Range: 10

Knockback: 6%

Level Range: 28-32

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