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Any plans for an iPad version for Library?

I'm a long time Library owner, and I love the iPhone App. Do you plan to make an iPad version?
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  • I’m hopeful
    It would be cool, wouldn't it? We honestly aren't sure yet about iPad–we've got some issues to work out (or around) involving Amazon so at this point I can't say one way or another.
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    • To Rob Grossman .... if you had read all the entries here you would probably already have your answer... but I will summarize it here it is again.

      Here is an article explaining the strangle hold Amazon has on any company data mining their site and their API for information.

      http://www.pcworld.com/article/168019...

      Basically, Amazon does not own the data, but they assemble it in one easy to access place. DL2 has an agreement with Amazon that gives them access to this information for the benefit of their users (us) and that agreement states that Amazon can limit where and how a program written by DM/DL2 displays said data. Amazon doesn't want you walking through any real world retail outlet with a copy of your library in your pocket.
    • Good answer and I see how that benefits Amazon. Sadly DM/DL3 are the ones who will suffer as more and more users decide to search for other solutions.
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  • I’m ready for it!
    I for one would love any app for my iPhone and/or for an iPad. I would be even pay $5-$7 for them!
    • While my time with DM and DL3 was short it should how good DL3 was. The path I took was to find a different application which supported an iOS app and then export my DL3 data to this application.

      It was not cheap to do this and I am annoyed at having to do this after purchasing DL3.

      Yes, I know your post was 3+ years old. It is still relevant because there is no iOS app from DM that supports their latest application (aka DL3).
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    Can you not take the content from any other provider???
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  • I would like to purchase Library, but am worried that it has limited export options compared to Readerware VW. Without the iPhone app, what are my options? I sure hope the notes feature for iPod will work with my 1st gen. Nano.
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    I want an app on iPad so I can take my library with me to the bookstore and when I find interesting books, I can see if I have it in my collection. I do not need to access Amazon through the iPad app. I can do that on my iMac. The important thing is I need to take my library with me and have it very easy to search and interact with. Please create an iPad app that does this.
    • I have found a workaround for the syncing problem. To get a list of your library onto your iPad you can select File -> Print (command+P) and chose the PDF drop down in the print dialog. One of the options is "Add PDF to iTunes"; this creates a book in iTunes that you can then sync to your iPad. (I don't know if this is a new option with Lion, I've not noticed it before, but you could save as a PDF and then import it to iTunes if this option isn't in the earlier OS).
      Then use iBooks to read, and search, your PDF.
      It's very basic, but for the people who just want to know if they already own something it should be fine.
    • My first attempt to get my data on my iPhone went this route. On an iPhone the text is too small. It does work to a certain point but it is no substitute for a true iOS application.
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  • CHAMP
    I’m not sure....Amazon... do I love'em or hate'em
    The main part of Amazon's complaint is not that you are accessing/acquiring new data while you are mobile, it is that while mobile you are accessing data that you previously downloaded from them on your iMac at home. That is why DL had to pull the iPhone app.

    So it may be that an iPad app is under the same restrictions as the iPhone app. I guess we will have to wait until DL gets clarification or agreement from Amazon....
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  • I suggest DL users stop purchasing from Amazon (and let them know about it) until they get reasonable ! ! What about creating a Facebook group ? Stop complaining and start acting ! (my 2 cents)
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    A good half of my collection are "pre-Amazon" stuff that I entered manually. Amazon has no right whatsoever to prevent me from using that info on a mobile device. I paid for original items, I paid for software, I paid for mobile device... and now Mr Big Company wants to decide what I can and can't do with stuff legally bought with hard earned money ????? It's really time to take action and stand up for our rights !
    • Well I decided to search for and purchase a product that supports an iOS device. Then I exported my DL3 data to this new application and synced to their iOS application.

      It is not cheap. This other company has 4 apps (I think), 1 for Movies, 1 for music, 1 for books and one for games. The iOS app was about $8 USD and supports data from all 3 OS X apps. Being able to search my collections on my iPhone though is more important to me as it prevents me from duplicating items in my collections.

      If you purchase 1 app they will give you a discount on another app if you purchase it at the same time. This is what I did buying both the movie and music apps together.

      Google for it but avoid Collectorz's apps. Their app crashed on me repeatedly during the limited demo and they are way more expensive than this other company's product by about 3x.

      Here is a thread that might help you: http://www.mac-forums.com/forums/os-x...

      A side note, this other company's product does not come with a nifty free scanner app that turns your iOS device into a scanner. You will have to buy one or buy an app that promises to do this.
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    I hear your anger, but Amazon is not preventing you from reading books that you've bought, pre-Amazon or otherwise. What they are blocking is the method by which their databases and APIs are being accessed, which is within their legal right. While book title, author, pub date, ISBN are not protected data, the book descriptions and cover pics are created mostly by Amazon (in conjunction with the authors/publishers) and those can be considered proprietary knowledge... DL has chosen to not pay for access to Amazon's proprietary knowledge and APIs, thus Amazon is within their rights.

    I bought DL as well and was upset when I wasn't able to transfer the library to my iPhone/iPad, but I realize that there is nothing to be done to change the situation. Ranting about boycotting Amazon will have no effect. Even if every single user of DL were to follow your lead, it would not affect Amazon. It seems to me that it's DL (the company) who has decided that DL (the product) would not earn them sufficient profit to offset the cost of their purchasing access to Amazon's APIs---and being a programmer, I also looked into the costs of licensing ISBN and Amazon data, only to discover that it was cost-prohibitive.

    I suggest you export your DL data, pull it into a FileMaker database (that can be used with FileMaker Go on the iPad) and manage your book catalog that way.
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    Well, if I owned FileMaker in the first place, I wouldn't need/use DL, would I ? And wouldn't that infringe Amazon's "rights" too ?

    I never said Amazon was not within their "legal rights". But what I am saying is that there plenty of things that are legal, but not necessary RIGHT. Frankly it's that kind of attitude that discourage honest people to BUY software (programs, music, films, books...) and blows wind in the sails of software pirates. Companies like Amazon should show respect to their customers and not sit on their "legal privileges". We are customers, not cash cows.

    Besides the issue here is that withdrawing the iPad apps is impeding me to use even the data I created myself.

    I tried to "publish" a HTML "site" but
    a) it takes forever
    b) it is not searchable
    c) did I mention it is cumbersome ?
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  • I would love to simply see a version for iPad that would sync with the mac. I don't need my iPad version to log on to Amazon or any other site. Just a simple way to display what I have so that I can take it with me.
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  • For those who really really want to carry their collections with them, I'd suggest exporting your library to a CSV file.

    Then import this to Bento, and then sync the database to Bento for iOS. I've done this myself and it's actually really simple and quick. The obvious caveat being that you need to buy Bento.
    • For anyone coming to this thread now please know Bento is a dead product and Filemaker has stopped selling it.

      My search for a replacement started because of that news. Previously I just hand-typed my items in to Bento under OS X and then synced to Bento on my iPhone.

      Here is a thread that might help you: http://www.mac-forums.com/forums/os-x...

      The company I moved to is mentioned in this thread. Their search feature works very well but one will need either a iOS scanner app or a separate scanner connected to their OS X system if they are bulk loading titles. The iOS app I went with was iCody.
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  • I didn't see anyone mention the option to export your library to MobileMe. It then becomes an accessible/updatable web page in MobMe and is there for you any time. Of course, you have to have a MobileMe account but surely some of you who are looking for an app have one. Try it, it works great!
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  • Georganne

    Simply put, the issue with having a remote version on a website are many fold:

    • you don't always have wifi or a 3G connection

    • searching is always going to be slower if it is supported on the web server the site is being hosted on



    having a copy in a format readable by iPad/iPhone negates both those issues when done properly.
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  • to Stu Wilson-
    Okay, I understand, it was just a suggestion. I'm getting ready to take a drive from FL to Wyoming (Yellowstone) and I will test my access to WiFi and 3G during that trip. I wanted an iPad app also, so I looked at this forum and saw there wasn't one nor is there one in the works. My solution, albeit flawed in some ways is, for me, better than nothing. I use DL 2 to look at my list of 'to read' books then download some to my iPad or purchase one on audible for listening. I guess there may be some areas of the country where doing that is not possible. I'll look forward to an app for DL2 also.
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  • This reply was removed on 2011-05-20.
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  • I’m unhappy
    I'm putting this here because I've already posted my rant about this elsewhere in the forums, not as a criticism to Delicious Library:

    There is an export solution that doesn't involve Bento or FileMaker. Get Book Keeper from Netwalk. Export to DL 1.5 from Delicious Library, zip it up and dump it into Book Keeper via iTunes. (They also have movie and music database apps, and they all look remarkably like DL!) I've tried it on my iPhone and iPad, and it works. (Not only that, you can supposedly sync their desktop movie database software with an IOS version. Haven't tried that yet.)

    And no, I'm not associated with Netwalk in any way - I finally discovered them today, after many months of occasionally searching for a solution to this problem. I'm unhappy that there's a third party that is apparently able to do exactly what DL has been banned from doing!
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  • I've just bought Book Keeper and followed the export/import instructions from their FAQ page. Follow it closely to migrate your Delicious Library database to Book Keeper.

    This is a brand-new iPad app and I think it will be great once the developers fine-tune it. I've noticed that Book Keeper seems to crop the imported JPEGs a bit, so you don't see the entire covers and when tapping on a book, the plot (description) includes some of the XML metadata intact, which should be removed.

    -- David
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  • As a follow-up to my post of an hour ago, I cleared the data in Book Keeper, opened the original XML file with Smultron (TextEdit should also work) and using a series of "find" commands looking for { I was able to remove all the metadata from the plot-descriptions. I saved the file, re-synced it via iTunes, restored in Book Keeper... and the "plot" now displays correctly.

    Next, I set Book Keeper to use Amazon US for finding book info. I entered the barcode (ISBN number)of 9780140284751 --- which is a book I had entered in Delicious Library that was exported/converted/imported into Book Keeper. Book Keeper didn't seem to use Amazon US, but Google instead, and returned far less info about the book than Delicious Library had found. This may be a fairly significant problem because I don't want to have to type in all the details about new books.

    Since it appears that Delicious Library won't be coming out with an iPad app, I'm hoping that these issues will be resolved in future updates to Book Keeper. I suppose, I could continue using DL2 to enter my books via ISBN, export to DL1.5, convert with Book Keeper's XML, strip out the plot metadata (which I'm sure netwalk will get around to fixing), clear the Book Keeper data, and re-import/restore it from the converted DL2 database. Not at all elegant or quick, but it's a work-around for me until netwalk fixes/enhances their Book Keeper iPad app.
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  • I’m frustrated
    Perhaps a silly question, so please forgive me. But why the reliance on Amazon in the first place? As far as I am aware IMDb has a far better database of movies anyway, so why not use that?

    I really like Delicious Library but would like an iPad sync'd version as it is just easier when sat down in my front room trying to decide what to watch. :-)

    Don't want to defect to another software house, but get the feeling that this is going nowhere!
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  • Not a silly question, but I think the interest of most people in this message-thread has been books rather than movies... hence the focus on DL's use of Amazon.com for filling in details about books.
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  • Simon, I believe the hold-up for a sync'd version of a DL app on the iPad is licensing compliance with Amazon's database-access API (application programming interface) that programmers need to use if they want to access and include Amazon data in an iPad app. Further, I think the stumbling block is section 4e of Amazon's license that states:

    "You will not, without our express prior written approval, use any Product Advertising Content on or in connection with any site or application designed or intended for use with a mobile phone or other handheld device, or any television set-top box (e.g., digital video recorders, cable or satellite boxes, streaming video players, blu-ray players, or dvd players) or Internet-enabled television (e.g., GoogleTV, Sony Bravia, Panasonic Viera Cast, or Vizio Internet Apps)."

    That section allows DL2 (the app) to be legal on the Mac desktop/laptop computers, but prohibits its use on iPhones, iPod Touch, and the iPad. It would have been nice if DL (the company) would have just told this to all of us. Unfortunately a lot of people are getting unjustly angry at Amazon, but frankly, Amazon is bending over backwards to allow developers access to their databases provided they follow some simple rules. Amazon has spent millions of dollars developing their database and as they are a for-profit company, there is no rational reason why they should give away their database for free... well, actually the access to it IS free so long as developers follow the licensing rules.

    Apparently DL (the company) hasn't been able to convince Amazon that an iPad version of DL2 (the app) would be worth Amazon's making an exception... thus we're not going to see ANY software vendor creating a DL2-like app on the iPad. A day or two ago, someone mentioned "Book Keeper" by netwalk and, frankly, I plunked down the $2.99 for the app just to realize that the Amazon data-link is non-functional (which led me to research why no one can do this).

    Our best and only solutions are to publish from Delicious Library to an on-computer folder, FPT site, or MobileMe account.
    • The fact is, Book Keeper displays exported data from Delicious Library. Regardless of whether its Amazon data link is functional or not is irrelevant to those of us looking for a portable version of our DL databases. It's also a good solution for those circumstances in which you don't have a live connection to the web, and so can't access your MobileMe published version.
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    Thank you for the explanation, it is much appreciated.

    I suppose my requirements are simpler. I just want to be able to browse the films and TV shoes I have catalogued on DL on my iPad. I look at Apps like Movie HD (for the iPad) and see that others are able to provide the solution I need and so, get frustrated with DL (the company) for not being able to do the same...
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  • Simon, you're welcome. Wish we'd all known sooner.

    Re: Movie HD, check them out carefully before buying. Movie HD is made by Netwalk, the same company that does "Book Keeper". I found Book Keeper unusable because it's using only Google Books for info and the info is limited. Book Keeper says they use Amazon, but that's non-functional for the same reason that DL-on-iPad never happened... so I'd urge you to check where Movie HD is getting its data from before you purchase it. If it says the data comes from Amazon, don't trust it because it'll be the exact same situation.
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    A large athletic warrior woman, or a river in South America hey... Now let me think... Oh! Shame...
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  • well, the only solution I can think of is a third party solution such as Book Keeper.

    but Book Keeper is that just books, I know there is Movie keeper or whatever it is called, but I have to admit I like having the original iPhone app (yes im one of the lucky ones).

    The DL2 app has in its about box the following

    PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT SOME OF THE CONTENT THAT WE MAKE AVAILABLE TO YOU THROUGH THIS APPLICATION COMES FROM AMAZON WEB SERVICES. ALL SUCH CONTENT IS PROVIDED TO YOU "AS IS." THIS CONTENT AND YOUR USE OF IT ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE AND/OR REMOVAL AT ANY TIME.

    (Amazon requires we scream at you like that. Sorry. I'm not sure why, but lawyers love the all-caps. It makes things more legal!)

    and another from the main AWS agreemnet.

    4.3 End User Violations. You will be deemed to have taken any action that you permit, assist or facilitate any person or entity to take related to this Agreement, Your Content or use of the Service Offerings. You are responsible for End Users’ use of Your Content and the Service Offerings. You will ensure that all End Users comply with your obligations under this Agreement and that the terms of your agreement with each End User are consistent with this Agreement. If you become aware of any violation of your obligations under this Agreement by an End User, you will immediately terminate such End User’s access to Your Content and the Service Offerings.

    so even exporting and reimporting into a 3rd party app on a phone/ipad is against the terms and conditions Amazon impose. And according to this, its up to Delicious Monster to police the usage. What then?

    Anyway, back to the original point, if there was a 3rd party app whose sole purpose is to mirror or sync DL2 data, and then make it available to an iPhone/ipad app, would it infringe and could Amazon sue?

    Since ostensibly, the third party had not signed any agreement with Amazon, the only person or entity Amazon could sue would be Delicious Monster.

    It's a very gray area, and I'm quite worried at the implications.
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  • Interesting thought then. I have just bought Movielicious from the same developer as Movies HD for the iPad.

    Movielicious allows me to import my existing DL2 database, which I have done.

    I have then backed that up to a zip file and imported it, through iTunes, into Movies HD. So I now have all my movies on my iPad. But! the original source data, from DL2 is from Amazon?
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  • I’m happy
    Well, I set up the DL2 to publish it to a folder in my Sites folder and with a little tweaking of the built-in Apache web-server, I can now access my DL2 published list of books from anywhere. I have a Mac Pro at home that I frequently leave on and my iPad is always with me everywhere, so I can now check my DL2 list of books.

    This pic shows me checking it out via Safari ON THE IPAD.
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    Keeping it simple: if you want a copy of your DL on your iPad or iPhone: you can save it as a pdf file, send/export that pdf book into ITUNES (books) and voila!

    You'll be able to see all your DL on your iPad, within ibooks. easy peasey.

    How to do it:
    1. Have DL2. (I don't know about older versions).
    2. Select your shelf / items.
    3. Go to "PRINT". In the bottom left-hand corner you'll see a "PDF" button. Click it.
    4. Select "Add PDF to itunes".
    5. Itunes will open automatically & your list will be a pdf book in iTunes.
    --please note, it doesn't save the 'title' of your shelf: so you need to rename it in iTunes.

    EASY! Until Amazon pulls its haughty finger out of its behind, this is a great solution. You can view your books on your iPad / iPhone at any time. Now, with iCloud, it's now even better, as any changes you make will sync across all your devices.
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  • Here is a link for those who may be "following" this thread. It is a free solution I posted for carrying your DL2 library on your iPhone/iPod.

    https://getsatisfaction.com/delicious...
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  • To Rob Grossman re his March 2012 question "What's the issue with Amazon?" which he appended to one of the very first posts in this topic which started in 2011.

    Here is an article explaining the strangle hold Amazon has on any company data mining their site and their API for information.

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/168019...

    Basically, Amazon does not own the data, but they assemble it in one easy to access place. DL2 has an agreement with Amazon that gives them access to this information for the benefit of their users (us) and that agreement states that Amazon can limit where and how a program written by DM/DL2 displays said data. Amazon doesn't want you walking through any real world retail outlet with a copy of your library in your pocket.
    • Dear l.j.desjardins.nl: The PC World link provided in your comment won't work for me. However, although we can use Amazon's proprietary inventory management system (i.e., their specific model numbers) to enter inventory into Delicious Library, we are not required to. We can also us a product's unique UPC Product Code; something completely unrelated to Amazon and something Amazon cannot nor does not have any control over. So what's with the whole Amazon story and why does it have anything to do with whether or not DL can be made available for iPads?
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  • This is curious... because, Booxter does the same thing but was not pulled by Amazon. Has Amazon's API license agreement changed or is Booxter just waiting to get pulled?
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  • Here is the link again. Must have truncated when I did the cut and paste.

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/168019...

    And for those who missed it in reading the previous entries in this topic here is a quote from what Stu Wilson posted on May 24, 2011.

    ".... from the main AWS agreemnet.

    4.3 End User Violations. You will be deemed to have taken any action that you permit, assist or facilitate any person or entity to take related to this Agreement, Your Content or use of the Service Offerings. You are responsible for End Users’ use of Your Content and the Service Offerings. You will ensure that all End Users comply with your obligations under this Agreement and that the terms of your agreement with each End User are consistent with this Agreement. If you become aware of any violation of your obligations under this Agreement by an End User, you will immediately terminate such End User’s access to Your Content and the Service Offerings.

    so even exporting and reimporting into a 3rd party app on a phone/ipad is against the terms and conditions Amazon impose. And according to this, its up to Delicious Monster to police the usage. What then? "

    As for Booxter, I am currently using the Booxter Lite free version to carry my Library. Here is how I do it.

    https://getsatisfaction.com/delicious...

    I don't know how Booxter gets around the Amazon agreement. Either they are just waiting to get pulled or they have somehow exempted themselves from the restriction because they are set up to pull information from multiple sources and as long as they don't quote directly from Amazon reviews, etc there is no proof that the information came exclusively from there.
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  • but is it possible to make iOS version without connecting to Amazone or other sites? without possibility to add new books/cds/dvds and only adding opportunity is with desktop app? it is good to have information what music, books or movies you already have when going to shopping. and opportunity to mark what book you have borrowed or got back, because when i get book back then i don't should remember it when i arrive to home, and may ask from friend that i borrowed book for you so when you give it back.

    Think about that opportunity, to make iOS wersion without internet connectivity and only syncing possibility is at "home network" or trusted network.

    just my 5 cents.
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  • My understanding it the iOS version of DL2 never did add or scan. Amazon was not objecting to remote/mobile access to their site. You can do that now if you have browser on your phone. What they did was block DL2 from providing a format for taking any information sourced from Amazon through your "at home" Library on the road with you in a viewable and/or searchable data format.

    What you are asking for is what did exist, and hopefully something will again be available some time this year .... see the Delicious Blog from February 24.

    http://blog.delicious-monster.com

    http://blog.delicious-monster.com/201...
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  • No not really, i didn't thought that only viewing opportunity, but also that syncing with iCal and now network needed then.

    yes that dropbox opportunity helps little bit but not much.

    But thanx anyway.
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  • I posted 2 different links.

    The second link was specifically for the February 24 topic that discussed future developments, including iOS. I don't know if the old iOS version linked to iCal as you are looking for and I don't know if the new version will or not.

    I gave the first link because it is the link to whatever is the most recent Blog and gives access to earlier Blogs. (As you referenced, March 16, 2012 dealt with Publishing using Dropbox). Lia has said she hopes to post a new Blog every Friday in the future, so that link will be useful for new information every week.
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  • How does Google Books help for movies, videogames, cds, tools, other household items? DL2 is not a one trick pony.
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  • How about just a simple companion app that lets me scan bar codes with my iPad or iPhone so that I don't have to cart every product I purchase down to the desktop in my basement? While a full-fledged Library app would be cool, I don't think it's necessary. People have mentioned the work-around for publishing your library to a PDF file or web page so that you can refer to it while out and about, so all I am looking for is a way to scan titles right off the shelf in my Family Room or at the kitchen table using a mobile device.
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  • I still have the original iPhone app with my DL 2 library and I used MobileMe to publish my library, I used both quite regularly, particularly to check which books I had purchased and miss having the option now.
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  • Okay, i'll post what I said in a comment so it is easier to find by others.

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    Well I decided to search for and purchase a product that supports an iOS device. Then I exported my DL3 data to this new application and synced to their iOS application.

    It is not cheap. This other company has 4 apps (I think), 1 for Movies, 1 for music, 1 for books and one for games. The iOS app was about $8 USD and supports data from all 3 OS X apps. Being able to search my collections on my iPhone though is more important to me as it prevents me from duplicating items in my collections.

    If you purchase 1 app they will give you a discount on another app if you purchase it at the same time. This is what I did buying both the movie and music apps together.

    Google for it but avoid Collectorz's apps. Their app crashed on me repeatedly during the limited demo and they are way more expensive than this other company's product by about 3x.

    Here is a thread that might help you: http://www.mac-forums.com/forums/os-x...

    A side note, this other company's product does not come with a nifty free scanner app that turns your iOS device into a scanner. You will have to buy one or buy an app that promises to do this.
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