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Can anyone write a script for automatically getting the imdb URL and filling it in for each movie? Or better yet for the developers to build this in.
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  • I've been doing this manually, but if someone managed to wrangle a script, I'd be all over it.
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  • What info are you looking for from IMDB that isn't contained in Amazon?
    • Properly and accurately structured data? Full cast listings? Amazon does a pretty crappy job of being accurate and consistent, and while IMDB does have its issues, it is generally much better data than one gets from Amazon.

      Also? For those of us that just want INFORMATION when we click a weblink, you don't want to go to Amazon, because real information is generally missing. If we then want to *go* to Amazon and buy a disc, you just follow the link to Amazon.

      ...but yeah, you don't get a taste of the gate on that one, so I could see how that might be counterproductive from your side of things.
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  • It's not really having the info downloaded that is important to me. It's having the current imdb page easily accessible by a click so I can navigate to anything there like the comments, forums, star profiles, trivia, etc. So basically, any downloaded info would be outdated and a compromise to having easy access to the original. But I guess the IMDB rating would be the most important thing.
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  • @Algor-Langeaux I'm asking because I'm curious what, specifically, people want from IMDB that they aren't getting from Amazon. Also, 100% of the proceeds we get from people purchasing through Amazon via Delicious Library are donated to charities such as www.childsplaycharity.org, and http://www.826valencia.org/.

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    IMDB is owned by Amazon, making it impolitic to steal their data, especially when, at least in theory, their data _should_ be trickling down to us anyway. They also organize their site in such a way as to prevent direct access to their information, in that there's no formula to generate a URL to an entry. They're referred to by random numbers, which is why even the IMDB links on Amazon just lead to a search results page.

    Increasing DL2's capacity is definitely something we're interested in doing, but anytime there's talk of adding an entirely new database, there are legal, ethical, and technical issues that must be considered. Therefore, knowing exactly what our users are looking for gives us the information we need to take development in the correct direction.
    • Again, I wasn't suggesting you stop getting information from Amazon, or even criticizing you for not making use of the cash for links that you could be getting from Amazon... I would be *more* critical of you guys if you *weren't' getting some cash from those links.

      The question was one about making the automatic *link* that you get when you click on an item to get more information would take you to IMDB rather than Amazon. People that want information want to go to IMDB because the information there is more accurate and more in depth. The current system works great if your focus is either buying or selling through Amazon... but if that was the intention, one could do that through the Amazon link on the IMDB page.

      As to this supposedly filtering down to Amazon from the better data source, or you gleaning data from IMDB, I have no argument there and was not suggesting that you need to fix Amazon. Amazon works for what it works for, so they have no reason to change their model... but then they are also not trying to be an authoritative repository of accurate data... they are trying to give you enough information to make sure that you are buying the right product, and beyond that they don't care, so likely will have no impetus at all for porting IMDB data over.

      This was a question about where to aim the *link*... so that people that wanted to check the accuracy of their data or get a deeper data slice can actually do that more easily. I understand that because of how they structure their data it isn't an easy thing to do... but I don't see anyone here making demands... only requests.
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  • Someone might like to have a look at the IMDB javascript here (bookmarkletsthat allow you to go right to the IMDB page using a search string. I got this from another post here about XSLT transforms for DL.
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  • I keep a database in IMDB as well just due to the accuracy of data in Amazon. DVD examples for me:

    Creator, Writers, Composers, Theatrical Release Date, Actors, Genre, seem to be consistently inaccurate in Amazon compared with IMDB.

    For Foreign films, they provide both the original title as well as USA release equivalent. When there is more than one working/release title this is available. ( Which I typically place in DL2s "subtitle" field.
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  • for me the biggest problem is that via amazon many movies just don't show up!

    I use DL2 not so much for owned movies but for keeping a to watch, watched list. As I'm a fan of foreign movies from many countries Amazon just doesn't find many of those titles I want to add to DL2 database.

    I do reseach to find titles interesting to watch, and over the years it's a big list. I'm still on the seach for software (for mac!) that can handle this list well without me having to enter 'unknown' data. When this software can't even find many of the titles in my list, it's bad. Unfortunately DL2 can't.

    A few examples:
    A flor do mar
    Üvegtigris
    È pericoloso sporgersi
    Última Parada 174
    13 game sayawng
    Aneun yeoja
    Bat sin fan dim ji yan yuk cha siu bau

    some of these are internationally distributed, so what's the problem? looks like if amazon doesn't sell them (out of stock of not) it won't show up. That explaines the DL software a bit more to me. It's not so much a movie database :-(

    I've tried all amazon sources btw..

    It's very disappointing, as DL really has the nicest look & feel of everything I've tried so far.
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  • "looks like if amazon doesn't sell them (out of stock of not) it won't show up."

    That's correct. DL2 relies on Amazon's databases, so if it's not on Amazon, you can't import it directly into DL2.
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  • I’m confused
    I have found the answers to this question by DL's staff very disturbing... or misleading. Something is not right here. Let me explain. I would also very much welcome some comments from DL staff.

    Amazon is not interested in providing a catalog service to anyone. In this context, they're only interested in selling movie titles. (This is probably why the "MyMovies" service on IMDB sucks, and has not been updated for a decade).

    On the other hand I would have thought that Delicious Library's business _is_ providing a movie catalog to their customers, and not to serve as a front-end to Amazon.

    IMDB happens to be the most accurate movie database on the internet today.

    A question like "what is the advantage of IMDB over Amazon" coming from DL staff is ... quite disturbing, to say the least. You mean you don't know?

    Ok, here's why then. Your customers want to catalog their movies. The best source of information for this is IMDB. Other sources of information are not so good. Using any other source, your customers will be missing out on information. They will not be able to create good catalogs. They will not find all of their movies. They will miss foreign titles, indie films, old movies, rare features. The information they collect will not be accurate.

    Surely you don't want your customers to have all those problems? Surely, if there were ways to avoid them, you would actively look for them? One would hope.

    I read here another disturbing opinion here from DL staff about whether is is "ethical" to use IMDB.

    There is a fundamental clash of interests here. Amazon does not want the same thing as DL's customers. They want to sell, DL's customers want to catalogue their movies. Different things. So it is in fact _this_ clash of interests that raises an ethical question: is it OK to use data provided by a retailer to allow _their_ customers to make purchasing choices by another business altogether for a fundamentally different purpose, upon which their business is based? Someone is being deceived here. Either Amazon is, hoping that DL is primarily acting as a front-end to their store, or DL's customers are, hoping that DL provides primarily a cataloguing service for them (well, this is what they paid for). Which is it? Is DL's primary goal to be a cataloguing software, or is it first and foremost a front-end to Amazon? Cannot be both.

    On the other hand, IMDB exists for the sole purpose of providing information about movies. There are 2 versions: a free IMDB that is open for everyone to use, and a paid "Pro" service for industry professionals (probably at least partially funding the free service). Is it unethical to use the information publicly and freely provided by IMDB, (which is BTW edited and amended by movie fans, wikipedia-style) for its intended purpose? Strange that DL finds _this_ to be unethical.

    I believe the fundamental issue here is to decide who DL's customers are: those who paid for the software, or Amazon? It cannot be both. DL seems to _hope_ it can be both, hence the incentive to _pretend_ Amazon's database has nothing lacking, or that using IMDB would be unethical.

    If DL should decide that their customers are the "Delicious Licensors" then implementing IMDB access, or at least very actively trying to do so (I understand there might be hurdles) should be a no-brainer.

    Since the issue has not been addressed for years, it seems pretty clear where we stand now, I'm just hoping this might change in the future.
    • It may be instructive to note that when you speak of DL, despite the marketing hype that makes them seem like you are dealing with a monolithic corporation of some sort, we are functionally talking about ONE GUY who is doing the coding on this. Given the lack of updates or progress it would seem at this point that he has chosen to move on to greener pastures. I believe that about 99% of why this got made in the first place was to meet a personal need of the Developer to organize his library. Where the customer's desires dovetail with what the Developer wants for his own personal library, changes happen... when they don't, promises are made and then nothing happens. I am guessing that the developer *is* using this (for personal reasons) as a personal storefront front-end to be able to buy and sell from Amazon. It suits his needs so it doesn't change. I think personal interest is a far better explanation for this than assuming it is a plot.

      As to ethics, personally I think that now that Amazon owns IMDB, it would welcome someone using the two services in tandem... but that is just me, and I have been assured by their actions in the past that my opinion is worth precisely bupkis.
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    The Amazon ratings, reviews, and even detailed movie information are lacking considerably when compared to IMDB or rotten tomatoes, which has an API for accessing their database.

    It would be great to see either IMDB or RT be an option for getting cover art, reviews and details, while still maintaining the amazon purchasing links if necessary.
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  • The amazon info is way too messy, with hideous pictures and often missing, other times messed up synopsises. An option to have imdb scanning would be great.
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