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Hi I had my upper teeth pulled in late Oct immediate permanent denture placed numerous trips back to DDS for adjustments and gagging issues. Which were resolved. Had to do realign at 5 mos because. Of greatly shrunk gums
DDS did relight in his office lab. Since then after wearing my teeth 3-4 hours each day burning sensation in center of upper over middle 4 teeth. If teeth are removed burning disappears if I leave them in the burning gets unbearable . The gum is sore but no ulceration noted. Could it be the product used to reline the teeth. I'm miserable. I haven't been able to bite anything in the front since I got them relined. They fit snuggly. I'd love a salad none for six monthsHELP
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Hi Ellie, It is possible that you're having a reaction the Reline material. I think many DDS offices use Coesoft  for their relines. At a Denture Clinic we only have you chairside for impressions then the Reline is done for most of the business day. We use stronger materials then a DDS would. Most of the time it's because they are not educated in that "department" or have the equipment. Salad is a big one that people find difficulty with. You have to cut it much smaller and try and chew at the same time on both sides of your mouth. A tough one.  Oh I just read back and noticed you said he did it in his lab. Do you know how long he took to do the Reline?
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One hour while I waited! He told me to get seabond which I tried burning is decreased but hold on denture is only fair'. He says the burning may to caused by his curing material so he wants to send it out to the lab that made the teeth to check it out. I think he's trying to give me the brush off but for $4000 dollars that is not going to happen There is a gummy liner that is supposed to great but I don't know where to get it or if is good. I will take any suggestions you might have I'm miserable HELP
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One could hope!!
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Heidi!!!!! Does your denture have the soft lining in it where all your extractions were and exposed bone or did they trim out those areas?
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I only have the upper denture the exposed bone is at the bottom where I plan on getting a partial placed after it is fully healed. But yes I have the soft lining in the upper denture
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Oh ok good. How's your upper healing?
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My uppers are doing awesome hardly any sore spots at all!! The bottom where the bone is exposed still hurts and the swelling comes and goes.
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So Josie...  what do you know or your Denturist know about this product?

www.novusliner.com

The way they're marketing it, Novus Liner sounds like the best thing since sliced bread!

Seems you may need special equipment to cure it after impressions are made?

NOVUS®— The Most Comfortable Soft Denture Liner in the WorldLong-term performance. Functional fit. Excellent patient comfort.

Based on Polyphosphazene (PNF®) Technology, which was originally used for military and aerospace programs, the NOVUS® Soft Denture Liner provides the best denture wearing experience for the patient. With NOVUS® you can expect:

Laboratory-Cured Denture Liner
  • Shock absorption during chewing (more patient comfort with fewer adjustments)
  • No porosity leading to resistance to surface and subsurface fungal growth (less fouling, odor, or stain)
  • Low surface tension with excellent wetting
  • Easy adjustment and polishing with rotary instruments
  • Engagement of deep anatomical undercuts
  • Moldable around overdenture abutments or implant heads and bars to provide denture retention, stability, and support
  • Allow denture movement towards the abutments and tissue
  • Excellent bonding to acrylic denture bases
  • X-ray opacity (can be identified if parts of the denture are swallowed or inhaled)
  • Unlimited shelf life of the single-component patty if refrigerated
  • Uses standard dental laboratory compression-molding processing steps
For the Denture Patient

With NOVUS® here’s what you can expect:

  • Less or no “pop-off” while chewing
  • Greater comfort, confidence
  • Permanent liner, no need to replace every six months
  • Adjustments can be made quickly–right in your dentist office
  • Resists fungal growth
  • Does not diminish the denture strength
  • Uses less pastes / glues / adhesives
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Hey Ted, So my boss had a chance to look at the pdf on their site. He said that is how a Soft liner is placed in the denture. One thing we don't understand is that it says on their site that it doesn't need to be changed every 6 mths? That's strange because the Molloplast material we use lasts approximately up to 3 yrs and longer for many people.
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Molloplast-B® Availability:  I think I could buy this on eBay if I wanted to?
Molloplast-B® is a lab-processed silicone material.
  • Polymerized by microwave.
  • Added plaque inhibitors.
  • Strong bonding with existing dentures or new dentures.
  • Can be polymerized simultaneaously with acrylates.
I get the impression that Novus is NOT cheap.  I would have to go to Baltimore for a consult.  Heck, for the fuel to drive there I can buy more DenSureFit.

I also think it may require some specialized equipment.  IDK whether it is compatible with equipment in a standard denture lab.

I get free (trust me, I PAID for them!) relines at my Dentist with my package so I'm going to stick with their stuff (Coe Soft I think) or buy stuff online for the fun of it.  They also owe me a hard reline at some point down the road.  I bought their "Premium" seven year package. I've had my perms for over a year now and they still fit great.  

Thanks for checking!
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Oh I've never heard that Molloplast can be polymerized in the microwave. I know the one we use isn't and it requires equipment that we use in a Denture Clinic. If you get a chance to look at the process of Novus on their site it's pretty much the same way. I haven't seen what the cost of Novus is on their site but I will search for it on our supplier website (which is huge) and see if they carry or sell it. Just for curiosity. I wonder if I can get my hands on a free trial sample?

Coe Soft is pretty popular. We have it in stock but haven't used it yet. Oh yea if you have them for "free" at the Dentist definitely use them up. If your perms still fit well and you haven't even had a Hard Reline that's great!!!!! Get it done when you really need it and just fyi a Reline sent to the Lab will be better than a chair side one at the Dentist. If it's sent to the Lab they it should be acrylic that they will use for the Reline. Yeah I wouldn't drive a long way for something you're not certain of. No problem for checking. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I'm interested to learn more. Any info that helps people on here or where I work to live a happier life makes me happy. I will continue to do my homework. Keep ya posted! :)
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My Dentist has her own in-house Lab with techs.
That's part of the reason why I went there. 
My Heat/Pressure Cured Dentures will be relined there.
I'll know when it's time.  I have this Denture thing down pat.  
Thanks!
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Hey Ted. They won't be offering it to Canada until "maybe" next yr. Weird because one of the videos is from a place in Montreal, QC????!!!! That's the next province from us and about a 6 hr drive. The site shows a lot of Labs over there that "supposedly" use it.
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Hey Ellie! How did things go?????
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Thank you for asking . I sent you a long message earlier today but I must have forgotten to send it. I went to the specialist yest and he spent about 45 min with my Husband and I. He said gently the teeth really weren't relined properly which I knew and that the irritations in my mouth were from the reclining material. He said I can use this denture with 4 implants that my surgeon would have to place. He will remove all the reline material ( thanks for the important info) and will put the dentures in permanently the same day but he will drop them slightly to avoid any further irritation. I must do a CAT scan prior to check sinus etc. I left there pleased, angry been through so that the initial DDS that tried to pull the wool over my eyes with a large upcoming large bill but could have been worse if I needed a new denture too.
I would like to go after the DDS and recoop the reline money but my husband says I've already been through too much and I should let it go.
I will write a review on his practice page when I calm down.
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I'm glad to hear you got some good news. Implants are the best way to go but can be costly. I'm not sure how bad your gag reflex is as we've had several in here with the same issue but seemed to be fine and get used to it once we made it. The end of a denture should be paper thin that it "blends" to your mouth.  Basically like 1mm- I mean the very tip of it. It can also be trimmed shorter to a certain amount before you lose suction to help with the gagging. In your case, I'm not sure if that is possible for you. Not sure if the Dentist didn't know what he was doing and just trimmed it to be like a horse shoe. Having said that if you really want to get implants for your upper to avoid having a palate the more implants the merrier. Usually for an upper 4 is good. There are 2 different types of dentures for implants. "All on 4" which are permanently screwed in. I'm not crazy about that one because if you ever get food under it you can't take it out. Soooooo that means visits to the Dentist for that and cleaning and regular maintenance. "cough cough" $$$$$. 2nd one is an "Implant Retained Denture" which "snaps" on to the implants. It's not screwed in, so I think that's way better because you can look after it yourself and clean it rather then spending money to see the Dentist all the time. They can do that with your upper. Here are the steps that you can take that hopefully can save you money if they allow it.

Once you're ready for implants: This is for an "Implant Retained Denture"= Go to the Oral Surgeon and get the implants placed. That same day I'm not sure who can do it for you but get your upper modified so that it gives some room for those implants. They may just put the implants in and temporarily stitch them up or may put what will look like the top of thumb tacks on top of them for healing time. So now adays they say it takes about 3 mths for implants to heal and bond with your bone. So that's why you need to get the upper modified so you can have your teeth while you're healing. Once you go for your check up after the implants have been placed they will tell you if it's good to go. They will place the locators or abutments (same thing but offices call them differently). Those will look like the pegs that will be sticking out of your gums. Then you can have what we call a "Repair". Get them to take impressions of your mouth. When they pour up your impressions into stone models it will be a replica of your mouth with the implants. They can use that stone model to know where to put holes and the "housings" (they look like little caps) into your denture. That's what is going to snap on to your denture. Can take about half a day to do that. Once that is done you can go back and sit in the chair and they will also put "o-rings" inside of the caps in the denture. There are different colors and they go by weight retention. Example 0lbs, 3lbs, 5lbs and there's a purple one now I think is 7 or 8lbs. Those tiny little buggers will give different retention on how much "weight" your teeth can take. Like a 0lb might be perfect for you or it can be a little weak and you feel you can take your denture out way too easy.  Once they get the right one for you, you are good to go.

 Keep in mind that you may notice after a few days the "o-rings" can be too weak or to strong. No one can determine that ahead of time. Those "o-rings" can wear through time- usually up to a few yrs. We have one woman that comes often because she likes to eat raw potatoes. lol. Anyways but when they are worn you can have them replaced and they're not expensive. We have them for $35 each.   If you go this route and use your existing denture it will be way more affordable then starting a new  one. Sorry I'm babbling again.
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Hi Ellie. Not sure if you had a chance to read my last comment for you. Wondering how you're doing?
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Thanks for asking! I had the 3 D. X-ray for $250. Out of pocket over a week ago. It took exactly One minute. I can't believe what dental care costs.! In order to expedite things ( the misery is now going on almost 8 months) we drove 30 miles in traffic to drop the disc off at the new dentist. We then proceeded to the post office to mail a disc to the oral surgeon who is 60 miles away. We payed for overnight delivery. Today one WEEK later we called the new DDS to see if he has sloken to the oral surgeon so we could proceed to find out he is on vacation all this week and he never spoke to the oral surgeon because the surgeon was on call and vey busy last week. Yes I'm disappointed another week has passed and probably next week will pass also because the specialist is just returning from vacation.
I'm at the point of tears and can only wear the denture if I'm lucky for 1-2 hours a day because of the burning on the palate. Now what?! I guess I just wait and continue to suffer.
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I know! It's pretty crazy but just to give some people an insight because I work at a Denture Clinic I have access to see how much most dental equipment costs. Those 3D machines are like $100 grand! One day we got an email for a promotion for a machine regarding dentures and I said to my boss: Oh look this is on sale for $8995.00.....yea I missed a digit it was on sale for $89, 995!!!! Crazayyyy! Aweeee that's unfortunate. Yea a lot of them are taking their holidays right now or some of them are teaching lectures etc. Hang in there! Get them to remove that material for you while you wait!!!! That's the least the Dentist that put it in there could do. Sheesh he's got to have some compassion. You will have to use adhesive but at least your mouth won't be burning and you can eat and smile.
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Josie this may b a silly question but how do i keep lipstick off my teeth now???? Any ideas? Any1? Lol
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I've never been asked that question!!!! Good question. I haven't worn lipstick in yrs! I can't remember but their used to be tips online or I guess more expensive lipstick??? Hopefully someone on here has some tips. :)
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The new dentist is going to remove the material by the first DDS and he is the one who is on vacation. I am a strong woman but this is really starting to get to me . . I stay on the house most f the time because I have to leave the teeth out., and I dread meals because eating has become a nightmare and I can't look at mush any longer really discouraged. I would like to enjoy some part of the summer but it is moving on by and I am stuck .
Talk about pain and suffering. I'm there.
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Josie -
With the all on 4 do people still need to use adhesives?
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No Christi. The All on 4 is either removable (snaps on to implants) or fixed (screwed onto implants). No "goop or glue" needed.
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Oops Sorry Ellie It sounds like the All on 4 you're getting is the fixed one? Or.....hmmmm are you going to get the removable one? The one that snaps on?
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Looking forward to no goop!
I think I'm getting the snap in for now because I eventually want more implants down the road.
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Hey Christi I did add another comment to Ellie as well. I think the snap ons are great! You can take them out when ever you want and clean them. My Dentist just came in here for a visit for something and he did mention that implants and implant retained dentures should be cleaned often and very well. That helps with a removable (snap on) than a fixed (screwed on). More implants????? Why? Don't think so far ahead like that. You may be just fine with the first ones you get. ;)