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Hi I had my upper teeth pulled in late Oct immediate permanent denture placed numerous trips back to DDS for adjustments and gagging issues. Which were resolved. Had to do realign at 5 mos because. Of greatly shrunk gums
DDS did relight in his office lab. Since then after wearing my teeth 3-4 hours each day burning sensation in center of upper over middle 4 teeth. If teeth are removed burning disappears if I leave them in the burning gets unbearable . The gum is sore but no ulceration noted. Could it be the product used to reline the teeth. I'm miserable. I haven't been able to bite anything in the front since I got them relined. They fit snuggly. I'd love a salad none for six monthsHELP
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Hi Ellie, It is possible that you're having a reaction the Reline material. I think many DDS offices use Coesoft  for their relines. At a Denture Clinic we only have you chairside for impressions then the Reline is done for most of the business day. We use stronger materials then a DDS would. Most of the time it's because they are not educated in that "department" or have the equipment. Salad is a big one that people find difficulty with. You have to cut it much smaller and try and chew at the same time on both sides of your mouth. A tough one.  Oh I just read back and noticed you said he did it in his lab. Do you know how long he took to do the Reline?
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One hour while I waited! He told me to get seabond which I tried burning is decreased but hold on denture is only fair'. He says the burning may to caused by his curing material so he wants to send it out to the lab that made the teeth to check it out. I think he's trying to give me the brush off but for $4000 dollars that is not going to happen There is a gummy liner that is supposed to great but I don't know where to get it or if is good. I will take any suggestions you might have I'm miserable HELP
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Awwwe Ellie I do really hope things get better. He has a good point that it may be the material they use. In Dental offices the Reline material is different as I mentioned above and in a Clinic or a Lab it would take almost one business day to do the Reline as their is a lot of work involved and waiting for the material to set/cure. My suggestion to you is if you can't get to a Denture Clinic to see a Denturist that can help you then have your Dentist send it to his Lab to get done. I would tell him he should have the Reline done at the Lab at no extra cost. Good luck and keep me posted!!! I hope it works.
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I forgot to mention Ellie that the Lab will probably do a better job on the Reline. Especially because they use better materials. I wish you had your reline done at 6mths after e-day. Primarily most of the healing of gums takes 6mths to a yr. For a full upper you shouldn't really need to use "glue" except for steak or corn days. If he's going to send it to the Lab at no extra cost to you try and make it around your 6mth mark. Just make up something that you can't make it until then. Hopefully he will take a good impression. Make sure he puts his finger all along the inside of your mouth so that none of your skin is sticking in the impression tray. Another thing is we all have what's called maxillary tuberosities. That's the back on your right and left side of your mouth on the upper. It's where your gums end. Like where your last teeth were. That should be covered as well. I've seen people walk in our place and that part is missing which is one reason they don't have suction. I'll google and try and post a pic.
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Thank you for your comments . I had to have most of the palate removed because of severe gagging. I still have good suction but I have to use some fixaditive because the denture looks like a bottom denture. I don't think the DDS was planning on doing an impression, he's looking for a curing issue but I think that's a great idea it is just 6 months.
How do I convince him to do an impression.
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In order to do a Reline they need to take impressions. That's the 1st step. They take an impression while you're wearing the denture. I posted a thread on here on most of the process done at a Denture Clinic. I'll try and find it and post it on here so you can see. That's the only way you know what your gums look like now and compare to the denture to reconstruct the inside of the denture to fit what looks like your mouth now.
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As you noticed Ellie on my thread for Relines the material is removed on the inside of the denture. I would make sure they are going to trim out that material for you before the reline just in case you still get a reaction in the future from that material.
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Josie You are amazing thank you thank thank you!We are calling the DDS on Monday. Am to discuss all of this. He decided to relined in his own office to pocket 400 dollars and I've been suffering since. I thought dentists has ethics. I am so sick of eating mush and taking them out after 2-3 hours. I have been living my life around when my teeth are in or out.
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No problem Ellie. I hope it works out for you.You should be enjoying your new smile and on to happy and healthy eating again not going through what you are going through. I like to think there are many Dentists out there that actually do care but..... ;) Let me know how things go!
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Haha I wasn't sure if copying and pasting the title would work but it did! :) I'm here if you have any more questions but like I mentioned above. Keep me posted on how things go. :)
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Josie - how long do most people wear the upper denture while sleeping for? Is it harmful to wear overnight?
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Hi Cristi S. It's not harmful to wear over night. It's best NOT to wear it so it gives a chance for your gums to rest and blood circulate to help maintain what bone ridge you have left. It's like wearing a pair of socks or an elastic band around your wrist. You know that red mark it leaves? Think about that in your mouth. At the end of the day you choose what you want to do. You're the boss. ;)
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I'm having 9 teeth pulled up top and 3 on the bottom with an immediate denture put in on Thursday but my post appointment isn't until Monday and my dentist said to leave them in until then, will that be okay?? Also what can I eat?
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I think every dentist says different about that. I know I had mine done on a Mon then went back next day and my dentist took them out the first time and he told me from that day on to take out at night. But several ppl here were told to leave in for few days. I think ur dentist knows what's best for u as an individual. As for eating ice cream soothe really well. Also mashed potatoes soups anything soft u an pretty much swallow. Remember to ice the outside of ur face and also holding ice inside by ur cheek helps ALOT!! Good luck and I hope all goes well. Keep us posted. This site is awesome. I would have been lost without sum of the ppl here
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Thanks for answering!! I'm so scared but I'm being put out to have these done and the surgeon explained everything to me but I don't do pain very well!!
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Hey Heidi. You're Dentist may not be able to see you until Monday. I would follow his instructions and keep it in until then. The Denture will help keep the swelling and bleeding to a minimum. If you take it out you may swell up and not be able to insert them. Also many new denture wearers aren't familiar how to insert or take out their new teeth. Let them do it for you and have them give you some tips on how to insert it and take it out, especially if they are partial dentures. 24 hr post e-day you can rinse with salt water. It wouldn't be as effective as having your dentures out but it will help a bit. Smoothies, mashed potatoes, eggs, cottage cheese, pasta, yogurt, soups- be careful with the temperature can help. There are many people on here that can help you along the way. You will do great on Thursday!!!
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Thanks for answering!! Also as stated above, I don't do pain well at all!! Big baby here and I have had a C-section and a full hysterectomy and the pain wasn't as bad as me having a tooth pulled!! I have heard on here that people are only getting enough pain medication to last 5 days is that normally enough?? I know my surgeon said he would send me home with a prescription for pain but I want to make sure it will be enough?
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Also I can't eat for at least 6-8 hours prior to surgery , it says on my post op instructions to eat something within 2-3 hours after surgery but I'm also having the three removed on the bottom at the same time so won't that dislodge the blood clots from there? I get the shakes when I don't eat after that long!! I'm hypoglycemic, I believe that is what it is called.
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I had all my teeth pulled 11 at once the pain was so as and I got 3 days worth of very low dose of Vicodin and he would not give me anymore!!! I suffered for the next 4 days, everyonenis diffeeent but in my opinion a oral surgeon that's never gone through that doesn't understand the pain, they only know what text books say very upsetting, thank gosh I'm done with surgeries
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I'm not sure about pain meds as I work in a Denture Clinic that specializes in making Dentures only. I notice at our place when we have them in the next day for post-insertion of the denture some don't get prescribed meds and some do for about the same time-5 days. I think any pain usually lasts the first 3 days. There are people that don't get pain at all. That might be you!!!!!! Salt water is great for wounds and sores. You may want to try some natural remedies as well like aloe gel....You can also post your own thread on this forum main page and I'm sure many will give you some great tips on helping with the pain. I think you should try with smoothies 2-3 hrs after. I'm sure the smoothie will feel nice and cooling to your mouth. Careful with making smoothies with seeds. Ensure or boost is good as well and good ole' mashed taters will go down easy.
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Thanks again!! I just want to be prepared for what is to come? I see my dentist/ denturist on Monday so hopefully if I'm still in pain he will prescribe more pain killers!! He knows I don't do pain
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Heidi everyone is different in pain levels bit was given 20 pain meds but I still have 10 left I didn't use. I mostly used ibuprofin. It worked great. And ice ur face inside and out for swelling. Honestly the extractions isn't what hurt for me. It was the swelling on day 3 and 4 after. I really hope all goes good for and I will b thinking bout u thur
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No problem! Sending you strong positive vibes that everything goes well and NO PAIN for you! I also read someone put that arnica rubbed against the extractions helped. I'm not sure if Dentists  recommend natural stuff. You will be just fine! :)
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Most of the patients that got dentures from us tell me their Dentist prescribes T3's. Some nothing and some don't like to take T3's. I'm sure you're Dentist will make sure you are equipped and if not I'm sure like you mentioned above you will let them know!  ;)
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Well tomorrow morning is my surgery and I'm still scared but feel a lot more comfortable knowing I can ask my questions here and get a quick response!! Thank you Josie and Melanie , I'm sure I will be asking a lot more questions in the next couple of days!!
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Good luck Heidi. I will b thinking about tomorrow. Please post and let us know how ur doing as soon as ur up to it.
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Good Luck tomorrow!! You're going to do great!
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FML!!! I just got a phone call from the oral surgery office saying my insurance didn't approve my anesthesia so I have to pay for it!! This is just too much stress !! my medical was supposed to cover the anesthesia and just now they are telling me that they aren't contracted with my insurance!! They could have told me this four months ago when i started this process!!! So upset right now
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Take a deep breath.  I'm not really sure how things work in the USA but if you're able to get it covered somewhere else I would consider that and cancel with them. It's not your fault that they're telling you last minute!!! 8:30am here now. Keep us posted.
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I'm a little calmer this morning , I just have to pay this out of my pocket then submit it to my insurance company, I will get 60percent back. It is the idea that they never said that they didn't accept my medical insurance which covers the anesthesia 100% at an approved facility!! My out of pocket has been very low so far because I'm double covered in both dental and medical
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My appointment is at 7:30 am in Las Vegas so I'm getting ready to go there now. If I don't go thru with it now i probably will put it off again and I'm trying to improve my overall health. My husband and I are very frugal with our finances and I was planning on retiring next year at which time I will be 50 yrs old so we will only have one insurance when I do that so I'm really trying to get everything done now so I can enjoy my retirement and we also take care of our grandson.
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Oh that's good. Just a little paper work for you to submit. Better than no insurance at all. Try and have your favorite breakfast, a big one. Try your best to stay calm. You will be fine and do great!!!! You got this!
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Heidi am thinking about u today! Hope all goes well!!
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I haven't eaten anything there is so much blood and the denture won't stay in all I have to hol it in to try to drink some water!!
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I called my dentist and have to go in at 3:20 today hoping they can get it to stay up there then I can have drink some water!! They pull all of my top and 4 on the bottom and I think all the blood is from the top!!
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I had the same issue the first few days. It was miserable. At my post op 24 hours later they were able to clean it up and stop some of the bleeding.
Hopefully your doc can help.

Keeping my fingers crossed you start to have an easier time with this very soon.
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My post check up isn't until Monday
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Should I call the oral surgeons office about this bleeding?? It just seems like an insane amount of blood but I feel okay little pain
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I would call and let them know
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Heidi I bleed a lot the first day too. It subsided a lot over night tho. Hopefully ur doing better and dentist got top to stay for .
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Heidi do you take any meds? Like blood thinners?
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No meds only a couple of vitamins
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I take B12 , vitamin E and a calcium supplement
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R u doing ok Heidi?
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The dentist saw I was almost like hemorrhaging out of one of the extraction sites on the bottom. He said he pretty much watched it start to form a clot then it just kicked it out and would start all over again!! Very weird, but he packed it with something and had me rest with my head slightly elevated and then Bam it clotted up real good but he kept me another there another 10 minutes and it stayed!! He also had to do a soft redline on my denture and put some poligrip on the palate and now it is staying in place . I have had next to nothing in swelling
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Swelling kicked in on me day 3 and man it really kicked in. I looked like a Dr suess character. Day 3 and 4 was the worst for me. After that I did better every day. Lol. I'm glad ur doing better. And they were able to make top stay!
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Well day 2 and I did swell up a little more today than it was yesterday and more pain but not as bad as I expected so far!! I haven't really eaten anything because of the bleeding so I'm thinking about trying scrambled eggs this morning and I can drink without spilling it everywhere
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Great to hear you're doing better than bleeding everywhere. Mmm eggs. Good choice. Get some rest today and ice pack the swelling.
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Hey Heidi how's it going today? Did u get to eat eggs? Hopefully ur doing good. B sure to ice for the swelling. It really does help. Alot
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Eggs didn't work out at all!! But the mashed potatoes are awesome!!
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I have already lost 7lbs, I can afford to lose some weight I'm just too scared to eat and get stuff in my extraction sites especially the bottom ones. I am drinking lots of water and Boost
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I lost 23 pounds. lol. Was good for me tho needed . mashed potatoes were great for me too. After couple days my husband ground up beef real fine and mixed with mash potatoes. Lol. Glad ur doing ok
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It took me almost an hour to get the poligrip off of the roof of my mouth!! It's that normal? The dentist assistant put t it on and there seemed like a lot of it. I put some on after I rinsed with the salt water and I couldn't get the denture to stay so I put more on it and finally it stuck but then it kept coming out on the back of the denture . It finally stopped now I'm good and the denture stayed on!! Should I take them out when I sleep? Or still keep them in over night until I see the dentist on Monday? I have stitches up there but was told they will dissolve by themselves
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The pain woke me up this morning and this is the first night I have slept without my dentures in but woke up with a lot of swelling and pain also noticed major bruising on both sides of my lower jaw area, is this normal??
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This is the 4th day should I be applying heat now instead of ice bags?
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I'm sorry to hear you're having pain. Maybe some Advil can help. In my opinion you should stay with ice packs. Usually cool things help reduce swelling. You can also try some Arnica on the outside where You are bruised. I've seen people that were bruise from extractions. Possible problem areas with extracting certain teeth. Are you rinsing with salt water?
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Yes I'm rinsing with salt water a few times a day. Is there a way I can upload a pic on here?
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Figured it out!!
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Looking good! I've seen 100x worse. Rinse more than a several times a day. Salt water should be your best friend right now!!!!
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Heidi I'm sorry in pain. The 3rd and 4th days were the WORST for me. But after that it got a lot better. Hopefully will b same for u. Feel better. And id stick with the ice maybe.
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When I smile only one side of my lip goes up, is that normal?
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Does it feel numb? Did you have any sedation etc for the extractions?
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I have never had that problem before!! I'm worried that I'm not putting my dentures in correctly?
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Does that side of your lip feel numb?
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Doesn't feel numb. Yes I was put out under general anesthesia
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Put your finger in your mouth and check to make sure the inside of your lip on that side isn't in the denture.
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Nope lip isn't in the denture, my husband said my smile looks lopsided and so do my dentures
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Things will look different for the most part of the next 6mths while your gums are healing and shrinking. Once you get your permanents or a Hard Reline (should be no sooner than 6mths) you will look fine. As you're gums are healing you can get adjustments for your sores and sometimes a bit for your appearance as well. Just let them know the next time you're in for an adjustment.
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I don't feel any sore spots yet!! These immediate are my permanents! They just feel way too big for my mouth and when I picked them up from the dentist me and my husband thought they looked too small . Lol
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They kept falling out the first day and I had to go to the dentist the first day and they put in a soft reline and had me start using adhesive already, isn't that way too soon? Most of my swelling seems to be on my bottom where my partials will go but not for 6 months.
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No that's not too soon. Your mouth will keep changing...unfortunately. Try not to get the Hard Reline before 6mths. If you do, your gums will still shrink and you'll have to pay for another one. It takes up to one yr for gums to heal but most of it at 6mths, Adhesive will be your best friend too.
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I haven't had internet for half of the day!! Donnie I'm using my data. How would I know if they made my dentures way too big?
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Don't know why this stupid phone put Donnie in that previous message!! lol I go to my dentist tomorrow and I will also see the denturist so I'm hoping they can put in another soft redline because they were slipping all day today
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They have to make them big. Well...bigger then what they will look like in about 6mth because it's too hard to determine how much swelling you would have to the next person. All our mouths are different so they have to guess a little and the rest is their skill. If they don't make it big enough it wouldn't fit. If they made it to small they would have to remake it. It's science and art mixed together that involves making a denture. Denturist? What country are you in? Try different adhesives too. Many people do until they find what works best for them. Oh and tell the Dentuirst about your lip, he may be able to trim the top flange of the denture on that side. Hope it goes well.
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I live in Las Vegas Nevada USA. Yes the dentist I go to also has a denturist on staff that is one of the reasons why i chose this dentist!! They are great!!
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That is awesome that there is a Denturist! Good luck today. Remember=Don't get the Hard Reline any sooner than 6 mths or you will probably have to pay again. Not sure what you paid for in your treatment plan.
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I'm very lucky that I have double coverage dental and medical insurance so we have only been out of pocket about $300 so far . If I can't do the implants in a year then we will purchase a permanent denture which with my dentist for the premier denture is $900 but my husbands dental insurance will cover 50% of that!! This is why I went with the immediate dentures. I'm really hoping to be able to get implants but with the bone loss I have it may not work.
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You can look into getting implants sooner than later.  CT scan will determine if you qualify.
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Also with our finances right now I'm better off waiting.
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Good idea.
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My mother had a reaction to the curing material they used, her mouth was burning all the time, come to find out the lab didn't let them cure long enough now her dentures are discolored horribly
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Josie, when you do a soft reline do they take out everything off the denture to where it is almost see thru?? When I went in yesterday my smile was off on one side as I mentioned earlier in this post and the denturist grounded everything out of my denture where I could actually see thru the top where the teeth were, is that normal? He then had me do another impression had to sit with it in my mouth for 30 minutes and I had a burning sensation everywhere
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Hey Heidi! When we do a soft reline we only trim inside to relieve any sore areas. Then it's applied in the denture and you sit for approx 10 min with your mouth closed. Not biting down hard but just closed as the material is setting. Unfortunately it's kind of a gross taste and we explain to our patients that it's got a "spicy" taste/feeling to it.  The material he used may of required to sit longer and that's ok! Then the Soft Reline material should be trimmed away inside the denture where ever your extraction areas are so it's not "pressing" against your extractions on your gums when you're wearing them.  Now if your denture is thin that you can almost see through it he may have had to get rid of a lot of it because your gums receded and the denture was made big to begin with. Most of them are cuz we don't know how much swelling you would have compared to me let's say. Don't worry. That is part of the 6 mth process.

I forget but I think you said this is your permanent denture. When you get your Hard Reline it will be a bit thicker and shouldn't be "see through". I'm glad to hear you got your Tissue Conditioner (Soft Reline)!!!!! I bet it fits a lot more snug now!!! Don't panic if it gets loose again. Part of the journey unfortunately. Funny....I saw the other day on the Denture Assoc. Facebook page someone asking if any Denturists in Ontario were going to go to the Denture Association seminar in Las Vegas to offer support in hopes that Denturists can spread out and legalize in more states in the USA. I hope it does, that will give another option for so many people. Not to say ALL Denturists are great. Just like any other profession there are good and bad and don't know what they're doing but it's good for people to have options and that are more cost effective.  :)
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Are you going to come out here? I'd love to meet you!!
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Haha! I'd love to come to Vegas but not for work! I'm not a Denturist so I def wouldn't be attending any of the conferences. My boss is a Denturist and I'm the Clinic Coordinator and help with hands on work. You'll just have to put up with me on here for now! :)
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One could hope!!
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Heidi!!!!! Does your denture have the soft lining in it where all your extractions were and exposed bone or did they trim out those areas?
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I only have the upper denture the exposed bone is at the bottom where I plan on getting a partial placed after it is fully healed. But yes I have the soft lining in the upper denture
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Oh ok good. How's your upper healing?
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My uppers are doing awesome hardly any sore spots at all!! The bottom where the bone is exposed still hurts and the swelling comes and goes.
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So Josie...  what do you know or your Denturist know about this product?

www.novusliner.com

The way they're marketing it, Novus Liner sounds like the best thing since sliced bread!

Seems you may need special equipment to cure it after impressions are made?

NOVUS®— The Most Comfortable Soft Denture Liner in the WorldLong-term performance. Functional fit. Excellent patient comfort.

Based on Polyphosphazene (PNF®) Technology, which was originally used for military and aerospace programs, the NOVUS® Soft Denture Liner provides the best denture wearing experience for the patient. With NOVUS® you can expect:

Laboratory-Cured Denture Liner
  • Shock absorption during chewing (more patient comfort with fewer adjustments)
  • No porosity leading to resistance to surface and subsurface fungal growth (less fouling, odor, or stain)
  • Low surface tension with excellent wetting
  • Easy adjustment and polishing with rotary instruments
  • Engagement of deep anatomical undercuts
  • Moldable around overdenture abutments or implant heads and bars to provide denture retention, stability, and support
  • Allow denture movement towards the abutments and tissue
  • Excellent bonding to acrylic denture bases
  • X-ray opacity (can be identified if parts of the denture are swallowed or inhaled)
  • Unlimited shelf life of the single-component patty if refrigerated
  • Uses standard dental laboratory compression-molding processing steps
For the Denture Patient

With NOVUS® here’s what you can expect:

  • Less or no “pop-off” while chewing
  • Greater comfort, confidence
  • Permanent liner, no need to replace every six months
  • Adjustments can be made quickly–right in your dentist office
  • Resists fungal growth
  • Does not diminish the denture strength
  • Uses less pastes / glues / adhesives
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Hey Ted, I'm going to try and get a read on this today. The material we use is called Molloplast and it's for permanent soft lining. It's something that is made when the denture is being made in the beginning or if someone in the future notices their gums are very sensitive and want to add it- a lot more work to do it this way. It's pretty pricey to have it done. We hardly get anyone asking for it. Most people we've fabricated new teeth for don't seem interested and get used to the feel of the denture against their gums. From what I've read so far on that site it's not saying much on a techy aspect. The info it does provide we already know. I'm not sure if registry is only for professionals but I'm going to try and register and see if I can get more info for you. :) I'm also going to check online with our suppliers and see if it's available. Usually I can find out some scoop and I'll let you know if it's "BS" or not.
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If you look on the bottom right of the screen under recent posts you will see Molloplast Vs Novus. Well that video is all fine and dandy but now I wonder if it doesn't  bounce then how soft is it really to the touch? Some more home work for me. :)
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I could be in to bouncing my dentures off my counter and into my mouth.  LOL  
Personally I like a softer feel.  I use Cushion Correct and am 3 weeks into using DenSureFit (Silicone DIY Liner) and love it!

I also think this stuff sounds cool:
https://tcsdentalinc.com/
What rule says Dentures have to be HARD ACRYLIC like my Grandma wore 50 years ago and why haven't "advanced materials" found their way into the world of dentures faster?  BTW that's a rhetorical question!
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Haha! You're funny. I know EH? ;) Not sure why materials aren't as advanced as many other things. I got a traffic jam going on in the Clinic right now so I'll get back to you in a bit. :)
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That was a rhetorical question.  The answer is Money BTW.
If there's money to be made, the free market find a way and will to do it.
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Yes! I noticed that Densure Fit. Is that sold in stores? We don't have many people complain about the fit especially for uppers but I'm always trying to help give our patients tips. They usually ask me what "glue" to use and I mention there are several and what they like may not work for others.
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OH YEAH! At the end of the day it's all about moulah. My thoughts on Dentists has change a lot since I've been working at the Denture Clinic. I worked at  a Lab in the past and a Dentist for a short while. I notice they don't give many options. They tell most they need implants but don't give other options that are more affordable. You'd be amazed how many people come in here asking for an opinion. Many feel they're getting ripped off and also know we don't charge for Consults so they come and ask an opinion after seeing the Dentist. We tell them what the best thing is (implants) but explain if there are other options. Dang money grabbers!
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DenSureFit is sold directly online only as far as I know.
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Ok Thanks. I will let people at our Clinic know about it. Have you looked at the Novus-Denture Processing guide (pdf)?? I signed up and I'm checking it out bit by bit through out the day. Trying to get my boss to my desk is a tough one. lol. He's very busy and I've been busy up front at my desk and in the back doing some hands on work. So far I can answer one of your questions and yes this stuff does require equipment.  It's free to sign up if you want to have a look. I will continue this homework when I can through out the week. :)
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Hey Ted, So my boss had a chance to look at the pdf on their site. He said that is how a Soft liner is placed in the denture. One thing we don't understand is that it says on their site that it doesn't need to be changed every 6 mths? That's strange because the Molloplast material we use lasts approximately up to 3 yrs and longer for many people.
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Molloplast-B® Availability:  I think I could buy this on eBay if I wanted to?
Molloplast-B® is a lab-processed silicone material.
  • Polymerized by microwave.
  • Added plaque inhibitors.
  • Strong bonding with existing dentures or new dentures.
  • Can be polymerized simultaneaously with acrylates.
I get the impression that Novus is NOT cheap.  I would have to go to Baltimore for a consult.  Heck, for the fuel to drive there I can buy more DenSureFit.

I also think it may require some specialized equipment.  IDK whether it is compatible with equipment in a standard denture lab.

I get free (trust me, I PAID for them!) relines at my Dentist with my package so I'm going to stick with their stuff (Coe Soft I think) or buy stuff online for the fun of it.  They also owe me a hard reline at some point down the road.  I bought their "Premium" seven year package. I've had my perms for over a year now and they still fit great.  

Thanks for checking!
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Oh I've never heard that Molloplast can be polymerized in the microwave. I know the one we use isn't and it requires equipment that we use in a Denture Clinic. If you get a chance to look at the process of Novus on their site it's pretty much the same way. I haven't seen what the cost of Novus is on their site but I will search for it on our supplier website (which is huge) and see if they carry or sell it. Just for curiosity. I wonder if I can get my hands on a free trial sample?

Coe Soft is pretty popular. We have it in stock but haven't used it yet. Oh yea if you have them for "free" at the Dentist definitely use them up. If your perms still fit well and you haven't even had a Hard Reline that's great!!!!! Get it done when you really need it and just fyi a Reline sent to the Lab will be better than a chair side one at the Dentist. If it's sent to the Lab they it should be acrylic that they will use for the Reline. Yeah I wouldn't drive a long way for something you're not certain of. No problem for checking. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I'm interested to learn more. Any info that helps people on here or where I work to live a happier life makes me happy. I will continue to do my homework. Keep ya posted! :)
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My Dentist has her own in-house Lab with techs.
That's part of the reason why I went there. 
My Heat/Pressure Cured Dentures will be relined there.
I'll know when it's time.  I have this Denture thing down pat.  
Thanks!
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Hey Ted. They won't be offering it to Canada until "maybe" next yr. Weird because one of the videos is from a place in Montreal, QC????!!!! That's the next province from us and about a 6 hr drive. The site shows a lot of Labs over there that "supposedly" use it.
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Hey Ellie! How did things go?????
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Thank you for asking . I sent you a long message earlier today but I must have forgotten to send it. I went to the specialist yest and he spent about 45 min with my Husband and I. He said gently the teeth really weren't relined properly which I knew and that the irritations in my mouth were from the reclining material. He said I can use this denture with 4 implants that my surgeon would have to place. He will remove all the reline material ( thanks for the important info) and will put the dentures in permanently the same day but he will drop them slightly to avoid any further irritation. I must do a CAT scan prior to check sinus etc. I left there pleased, angry been through so that the initial DDS that tried to pull the wool over my eyes with a large upcoming large bill but could have been worse if I needed a new denture too.
I would like to go after the DDS and recoop the reline money but my husband says I've already been through too much and I should let it go.
I will write a review on his practice page when I calm down.
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I'm glad to hear you got some good news. Implants are the best way to go but can be costly. I'm not sure how bad your gag reflex is as we've had several in here with the same issue but seemed to be fine and get used to it once we made it. The end of a denture should be paper thin that it "blends" to your mouth.  Basically like 1mm- I mean the very tip of it. It can also be trimmed shorter to a certain amount before you lose suction to help with the gagging. In your case, I'm not sure if that is possible for you. Not sure if the Dentist didn't know what he was doing and just trimmed it to be like a horse shoe. Having said that if you really want to get implants for your upper to avoid having a palate the more implants the merrier. Usually for an upper 4 is good. There are 2 different types of dentures for implants. "All on 4" which are permanently screwed in. I'm not crazy about that one because if you ever get food under it you can't take it out. Soooooo that means visits to the Dentist for that and cleaning and regular maintenance. "cough cough" $$$$$. 2nd one is an "Implant Retained Denture" which "snaps" on to the implants. It's not screwed in, so I think that's way better because you can look after it yourself and clean it rather then spending money to see the Dentist all the time. They can do that with your upper. Here are the steps that you can take that hopefully can save you money if they allow it.

Once you're ready for implants: This is for an "Implant Retained Denture"= Go to the Oral Surgeon and get the implants placed. That same day I'm not sure who can do it for you but get your upper modified so that it gives some room for those implants. They may just put the implants in and temporarily stitch them up or may put what will look like the top of thumb tacks on top of them for healing time. So now adays they say it takes about 3 mths for implants to heal and bond with your bone. So that's why you need to get the upper modified so you can have your teeth while you're healing. Once you go for your check up after the implants have been placed they will tell you if it's good to go. They will place the locators or abutments (same thing but offices call them differently). Those will look like the pegs that will be sticking out of your gums. Then you can have what we call a "Repair". Get them to take impressions of your mouth. When they pour up your impressions into stone models it will be a replica of your mouth with the implants. They can use that stone model to know where to put holes and the "housings" (they look like little caps) into your denture. That's what is going to snap on to your denture. Can take about half a day to do that. Once that is done you can go back and sit in the chair and they will also put "o-rings" inside of the caps in the denture. There are different colors and they go by weight retention. Example 0lbs, 3lbs, 5lbs and there's a purple one now I think is 7 or 8lbs. Those tiny little buggers will give different retention on how much "weight" your teeth can take. Like a 0lb might be perfect for you or it can be a little weak and you feel you can take your denture out way too easy.  Once they get the right one for you, you are good to go.

 Keep in mind that you may notice after a few days the "o-rings" can be too weak or to strong. No one can determine that ahead of time. Those "o-rings" can wear through time- usually up to a few yrs. We have one woman that comes often because she likes to eat raw potatoes. lol. Anyways but when they are worn you can have them replaced and they're not expensive. We have them for $35 each.   If you go this route and use your existing denture it will be way more affordable then starting a new  one. Sorry I'm babbling again.
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Hi Ellie. Not sure if you had a chance to read my last comment for you. Wondering how you're doing?
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Thanks for asking! I had the 3 D. X-ray for $250. Out of pocket over a week ago. It took exactly One minute. I can't believe what dental care costs.! In order to expedite things ( the misery is now going on almost 8 months) we drove 30 miles in traffic to drop the disc off at the new dentist. We then proceeded to the post office to mail a disc to the oral surgeon who is 60 miles away. We payed for overnight delivery. Today one WEEK later we called the new DDS to see if he has sloken to the oral surgeon so we could proceed to find out he is on vacation all this week and he never spoke to the oral surgeon because the surgeon was on call and vey busy last week. Yes I'm disappointed another week has passed and probably next week will pass also because the specialist is just returning from vacation.
I'm at the point of tears and can only wear the denture if I'm lucky for 1-2 hours a day because of the burning on the palate. Now what?! I guess I just wait and continue to suffer.
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I know! It's pretty crazy but just to give some people an insight because I work at a Denture Clinic I have access to see how much most dental equipment costs. Those 3D machines are like $100 grand! One day we got an email for a promotion for a machine regarding dentures and I said to my boss: Oh look this is on sale for $8995.00.....yea I missed a digit it was on sale for $89, 995!!!! Crazayyyy! Aweeee that's unfortunate. Yea a lot of them are taking their holidays right now or some of them are teaching lectures etc. Hang in there! Get them to remove that material for you while you wait!!!! That's the least the Dentist that put it in there could do. Sheesh he's got to have some compassion. You will have to use adhesive but at least your mouth won't be burning and you can eat and smile.
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Josie this may b a silly question but how do i keep lipstick off my teeth now???? Any ideas? Any1? Lol
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I've never been asked that question!!!! Good question. I haven't worn lipstick in yrs! I can't remember but their used to be tips online or I guess more expensive lipstick??? Hopefully someone on here has some tips. :)
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The new dentist is going to remove the material by the first DDS and he is the one who is on vacation. I am a strong woman but this is really starting to get to me . . I stay on the house most f the time because I have to leave the teeth out., and I dread meals because eating has become a nightmare and I can't look at mush any longer really discouraged. I would like to enjoy some part of the summer but it is moving on by and I am stuck .
Talk about pain and suffering. I'm there.
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I would get the Dentist that put it in to remove it for you. I'd demand it. Well....I have some guts but preaching it is easier than me actually having to do it. Btw...your hubby is so awesome for sticking by you and you folks driving around to get things done.I feel for you. Maybe tomorrow you'll wake up remembering that strong woman you are and phone the original DDS and demand to see them before the week is over so you can at least try and cope until the new DDS is back from holidays. He already told you it was "probably" ugh done incorrectly.  YOU CAN DO IT GIRL! I have faith in you.
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Like you I'm am angry and want the old DDS to take out the toxic junk he put on my denture but my husband won't let me step foot in that office. For fear what will happen next.'
I think he take care of the problem and return my $400. For all my aggrevation. 2 questions: how long does it take to heal from the implants i.e. Pain . Do they use twilight sedation like when I had the teeth pulled? Will it be another 6 months of soft food? The carbs are killing my waistline.
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I think he would take care of the problem as well but sometimes we need to listen to our spouse even when we don't want to. lol. Try and stay positive that you hopefully will have less than a week to go until you see the DDS back from holidays. Implants used to take 6mths to heal. Usually now it's about 3mths. When you get the implants they can modify a bit the inside of the existing denture so you can wear it while your implants are healing. There are many options of sedation when getting implants. Basically up to you if you want to be "knocked" right out or not. If you notice above there's a long comment that I posted. It has the steps on getting implants. I put them there for you as it should be the least costly way to go. We are pretty practical at our Denture Clinic and always provide the best and all options that a person can have. If we can provide an alternative method to a person that's less costly but basically the same service we do. Oh! I just remembered that your new Dentist said you can use the same denture for implants! I like him/her. Not trying to gold dig from you.  Those darn carbs! Gotta love them but wish our waistlines didn't.
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Josie I can't get the info about the steps of the implants!
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 Copy/pasted for you. ;)

I'm glad to hear you got some good news. Implants are the best way to go but can be costly. I'm not sure how bad your gag reflex is as we've had several in here with the same issue but seemed to be fine and get used to it once we made it. The end of a denture should be paper thin that it "blends" to your mouth.  Basically like 1mm- I mean the very tip of it. It can also be trimmed shorter to a certain amount before you lose suction to help with the gagging. In your case, I'm not sure if that is possible for you. Not sure if the Dentist didn't know what he was doing and just trimmed it to be like a horse shoe. Having said that if you really want to get implants for your upper to avoid having a palate the more implants the merrier. Usually for an upper 4 is good. There are 2 different types of dentures for implants. "All on 4" which are permanently screwed in. I'm not crazy about that one because if you ever get food under it you can't take it out. Soooooo that means visits to the Dentist for that and cleaning and regular maintenance. "cough cough" $$$$$. 2nd one is an "Implant Retained Denture" which "snaps" on to the implants. It's not screwed in, so I think that's way better because you can look after it yourself and clean it rather then spending money to see the Dentist all the time. They can do that with your upper. Here are the steps that you can take that hopefully can save you money if they allow it.

Once you're ready for implants: This is for an "Implant Retained Denture"= Go to the Oral Surgeon and get the implants placed. That same day I'm not sure who can do it for you but get your upper modified so that it gives some room for those implants. They may just put the implants in and temporarily stitch them up or may put what will look like the top of thumb tacks on top of them for healing time. So now adays they say it takes about 3 mths for implants to heal and bond with your bone. So that's why you need to get the upper modified so you can have your teeth while you're healing. Once you go for your check up after the implants have been placed they will tell you if it's good to go. They will place the locators or abutments (same thing but offices call them differently). Those will look like the pegs that will be sticking out of your gums. Then you can have what we call a "Repair". Get them to take impressions of your mouth. When they pour up your impressions into stone models it will be a replica of your mouth with the implants. They can use that stone model to know where to put holes and the "housings" (they look like little caps) into your denture. That's what is going to snap on to your denture. Can take about half a day to do that. Once that is done you can go back and sit in the chair and they will also put "o-rings" inside of the caps in the denture. There are different colors and they go by weight retention. Example 0lbs, 3lbs, 5lbs and there's a purple one now I think is 7 or 8lbs. Those tiny little buggers will give different retention on how much "weight" your teeth can take. Like a 0lb might be perfect for you or it can be a little weak and you feel you can take your denture out way too easy.  Once they get the right one for you, you are good to go.

 Keep in mind that you may notice after a few days the "o-rings" can be too weak or to strong. No one can determine that ahead of time. Those "o-rings" can wear through time- usually up to a few yrs. We have one woman that comes often because she likes to eat raw potatoes. lol. Anyways but when they are worn you can have them replaced and they're not expensive. We have them for $35 each.   If you go this route and use your existing denture it will be way more affordable then starting a new  one. Sorry I'm babbling again.
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Hey Ellie do you see them copy/pasted above this?
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Yes thank you. I guess the squeaky wheel gets the oil. I was scheduled for denture impression for next week but I said it nicely. That was not acceptable. The DMD apologized and had me in yest for the impression and my teeth were returned today. I have appt for consult with oral surgeon on Fri DDS has forwarded instructions by e mail and I have a ciopy to bring to him in my purse. A plastic model will be adapted by DDS and mailed to surgeon when it is ready. We at faceing the holiday next week so I don't know how long this process will take. I'm really anxious. We have decided on 4 on 4. Because of you I asked numerous questions including what happens when food gets stuck. The DDS is giving me a special water pic for these situations.
I'll keep you posted.
Again thank you for all your support. Your web site is amazing and I have been able to learn so much
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That's great to hear Ellie! With an All on 4 I think you will literally feel like they're your own teeth! That's so exciting! We have the holiday this weekend.  YES!!!! Water piks!  Once the All on 4 is in your mouth it's not going to be pressed right against your gums so you can stick the waterpik in there. Oh you're welcome Ellie. No problem. Just trying to help people when professionals tell them they don't have options and in fact they may.
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Josie -
With the all on 4 do people still need to use adhesives?
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No Christi. The All on 4 is either removable (snaps on to implants) or fixed (screwed onto implants). No "goop or glue" needed.
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Oops Sorry Ellie It sounds like the All on 4 you're getting is the fixed one? Or.....hmmmm are you going to get the removable one? The one that snaps on?
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Looking forward to no goop!
I think I'm getting the snap in for now because I eventually want more implants down the road.
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Hey Christi I did add another comment to Ellie as well. I think the snap ons are great! You can take them out when ever you want and clean them. My Dentist just came in here for a visit for something and he did mention that implants and implant retained dentures should be cleaned often and very well. That helps with a removable (snap on) than a fixed (screwed on). More implants????? Why? Don't think so far ahead like that. You may be just fine with the first ones you get. ;)