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I had 7 teeth removed end of August 2018, then the remaining 12 November 30, 2018 and immediate dentures.  I started with soft foods and was told to start adding "chewable" foods at 2 weeks.  I tried and was not able to chew or drink anything without the bottom denture popping up.  I had a soft reline done at week 3.  Fixodent would not even hold the bottoms in, even with only drinking water.  10 days after the reline the bottoms popped up and I had to take them out.  I noticed the "soft reline" was coming loose so I pulled it off the rest of the way (it did not help the bottoms to stay in anyway).  Now I am back to eating soft foods again.  I am so unhappy and feel like I would be better off not eating or drinking anything.  I know there is an adjustment period, but I am just depressed not being able to eat "real food".  I drink Ensure Plus to keep some sort of nourishment in me.  I have lost nearly 20 lbs from not being able to eat and I am irritable and angry all the time, in addition to being angry I am hungry constantly (guess that is what is called "hangry")  Do I really have to wait another 8 months for the hard reline to be able to "eat"?  
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Karen I just saw your post and it just shook me. I'm so very sorry to hear what you are going through. I had similar situation. Actually.. still kinda have it..had my teeth done nearly 3 years ago. The whole thing can be a real physical shock to your system. What you may have to do is eat. I had to just take out uppers and lowers and just eat. Still had trouble with things like a steak or salad, but for most part I could eat more and after a few days or so... can't remember....I was feeling better. Mentally. I certainly was not a pretty sight and couldn't go to restaurants, but just having that depressing aggravation of trying to eat out of the way gave me a bit of a boost. Now for me personally, my teeth do not fit right. So I still have problems. That's not to say you will. But I'm glad I did not keep fighting with myself trying to reteach my mouth to eat. Once I felt stronger, I had some fight in me to keep going. Keep getting to your dentist and if depression keeps up, see your family doctor. I found out after the fact that I have a reaction to novacaine...or whatever it is that they use. And since the use so much during extractions, my body was out of wack. After some time you should be back to normal...or your"new normal". But you've got to eat. I think take the teeth out and eat. I'm not a professional for sure though. I really hope you feel better soon. I was very self conscious before because my teeth were bad, so for me, being able to smile without being embarrassed was a great feeling. It takes a while sometimes to heal. You will get there. Many other people on this site will give better advice,I'm sure. Take care. Hope you are feeling better soon!!! Hang in there!!!
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In Barbaras. Defence .. I had 18 teeth removed and dentures it cost me around 7500.00. 3500 ins paid and 4000.00 out of pocket . personally I'm not happy with dentures . had I known then I would have begged .. Borrowed or sold to get implants. Which eliminate gagging . loosening up. An all that . and they would be more like real teeth instead of something you soak in an okra jar every nite ..lol.. It's a serious consideration as you'll be wearing these for the rest of your life .. Just my 2 cents .. But I do wish you and everyone else. Only the best in whatever choice you make .
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Spicy

Below is the cost of implants and over dentures  at a

recomended Mexican clinic/

Gudalahara ??? Dental.

I was led to believe they are  full implants and not mini implants You are able  to look them up on the internet

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Implant Supported Overdenture (with 2 implants):

 $ USD2,000-3,000

Implant Supported Overdenture (with 4 implants): $ USD 3,200-4,000

Implant Supported Overdenture (with 6 implants): $ USD 4,500-5,000


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The ones from Mexico are all minis. They are not screwed into the bone, but placed with a cementing type of adhesion. The failure rate is upwards of 65%
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Hi Spicy
I asked Guadalahara?  dental in Mexico if their price was for Mini or regular sized implants and they said they would do either the mini or regular sized ones for that same low price

I know I am a proponent for implants but that's what this blog is all about.  We all have different views and prefrences and information and experiences

Some of us do prefer dentures
Some of us recommend Mail order dentures like Russell or Jo's.  Its all about sharing information

Lots of us agree that lower dentures and their stability is a problem

There is nothing wrong with this
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This was posted by Mar

She  went to mexico to have her dental work done:

Ma

The medical facility is in Cancun Mexico. I did my own research online and have a friend that lives in Arizona close to the Mexican border. She told me that a lot of Americans go to Mexico to get their teeth done. So after I looked at all the reviews I picked Dayo Dental. There’s Sota Dental and others, but the reviews were scary. So, when I went to Cancun, the surgeon took a 3D scan and told me that I could get 6 implants on both arches. The more support for your permanent hybrid bridge is better, and that means a full set of teeth Vs all on four will support less. They picked me up for all of my appointments, and I had to get a full physical which showed that I had very high blood pressure. I was impressed with the level of care that they gave me. I got full sedation because I really didn’t want to hear or know what’s going on. Dr. Carrasco uses your own blood /plasma instead of bone graft to promote bone healing. I’m still reading more about this procedure called PRP. 
It took about 6 hours, since I had to get 12 implants and extracted all of my teeth. I woke up with an immediate denture to wear for 24 hours. The next day, I went back for an X ray and to see my progress. I stayed for a week after surgery to make sure I’m ok. I saw the surgeon everyday that week and he would adjust the denture almost daily because the swelling would go down and they would start hurting me. This is the part I hated the most! The swelling was terrible, and no amount of pain meds made me feel better. The good thing is that the worst part only lasted 4 days, and by the fifth day, I started to feel a lot better. He did a soft resign on my last day and I was on my way back home. Unfortunately, my dentures are starting to hurt and become loose. I bought some adhesive, so I’ll start that but I’m afraid because I still have stitches. 

I hope I covered everything. So, the teeth are permanent, but I can’t have them screwed in until the implants are healed.That will take about 4 to 6 months. I have to wear these dentures until I go back to Mexico for my permanent teeth. The all on six implants with everything I just mentioned including sedation costs $25,000 for a full mouth restoration, so all 12 implants, scans, sedation, physical, airport and appointment pick ups, bone grafts, temporary and permanent dentures is all included in the price. I only paid 60% this time, and I’ll have to pay the rest when I go back. Unfortunately, the airfare, hotel, medicine, and everything else is not included. I found great deals online and Mexico is really cheap unless you’re going to do the tourist thing in Cancun, which I didn’t. My hotel was $35 a day, and my airfare was $300. I don’t want anyone doing what I just did until I fully complete the procedure. I don’t mind being the guinea pig for now.

Mar

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Hi! I had all of my upper teeth removed November 2nd. And it was so hard. I ate yogurt and protein shakes for almost a month. I finally told my dentist they aren’t fitting right , please fix them so I can eat! I got a soft reline and also use seabond with super poly grip . It does do wonders. I started with eggs, than soft bread with cottage cheese and eventually worked up to vegetables and sweet potatoes. Keep at it.. try all the adhesives if you have to. It will help and get better.
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I have spent so much money on adhesives and the only one that does not make me gag is fixodent with scope.  I had to take the bottoms out to eat lunch today but I am still hungry.  I cleaned my bottoms ate and then applied more adhesive and put them back in.  I just don't see the light at the end of the tunnel.  I had such high hopes for my new teeth.... Now I just want my real ones back...
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Karen
You are perfect candidate for bottom clip on dentures
They are almost like your own teeth
You would love them

First go back to your dentist and tell him the dentures do not work and you want them fixed or you want a refund

See how that goes
Make a plan that will lead you to a clip on over denture

Keep us in the loop

Clip  on's are a game changer
Good Luck
Barbara
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It takes time.  It really just takes time.  Truth be told you're not actually supposed to use Fixodent on soft liners.  I read that somewhere but I ended up doing that myself.  One rule of thumb I used though was to only use powder for the first week after getting new soft liners.  As for just drinking water causes them to pop out.  The pastes are all water soluble.  If the soft liner isn't fitting right then water gets in there easily and starts dissolving the paste. Try eating mac and cheese.  If your bottoms pop out you can still gum the macaroni easily enough.  After the first soft liner and even the second just drinking at work would cause my bottom to pop out by early mid afternoon.  I ended up switching to Polygrip since I was using the paste again in  the afternoon.  I lost maybe 20-30 pounds in the first few months.  That made me happy but lol as I got each new soft liner I was starting to eat better and better.  I've now had my final hard liner for 2 days and I'm pretty close to weighing what I did before I had my teeth all removed.  16 of them by the way. 
     They were all removed on March 5th.  It was Labor day before I finally braved steak.  Don't bite it.  Cut it up and chew it lol.  Anyway if that soft liner is too loose to begin with gluing them down won't help.  Don't leave the Dentist's office if you think the soft liner is too loose.
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Thank you for writing, Karen. I cried when I read what you wrote because I feel the exact same way. I had 22 teeth pulled the end of June 2018 and feel so sad as you described.  I have the same issues you do with them popping out and I have to take them out and try to eat but still after even cutting everything up it's too hard to eat. I too am drinking protein shakes and it gives me 30 grams of protein per serving but I too feel at a loss for words and my thinking is scattered which is probably from not getting enough vitamins. I reluctantly will be getting a couple of implants on the bottom b/c I cannot hold it in at all. We cannot afford it after spending so much money the year before they were pulled on root canals that didn't work, etc. I am very sad. Again, thank you for expressing how you feel b/c I feel the same way and you have helped me have hope. I will be praying for you and please pray for me also. This is not an easy process at all.
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Sorry for you too Shannon. I am still paying off my dentures after 3 years. My dentist office made it so easy. And for many it is. Just not for me. Dental work is so expensive. My teeth were in bad shape though. But, I am glad to be able to smile. I cannot wear lower denture at all... better than nothing. I lost weight initially too. Made lemonade with the lemons
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Shannon Morris
Make sure  the dentist  that is doing your implants is experienced  in inplantology
Ask  where  he got his training and how long the course was
Ask the number of implants he has placed    
Run it by us
babara
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Yes, I will for sure. Thanks for the help with this.
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It does get better.  The bottoms will always be an issue unless you get the screws.  I am at just over a year and I don't use adhesive anymore.  I learned to control the bottoms by keeping them in and dealing with them moving around and practiced eating with them in; sliding around, popping out, food getting under them and having to take them out to rinse etc.  I did not eat in public, only at home.  Make some grits, mash some breakfast sausage all up and add it to the grits with salt and pepper and practice eating, pretend chewing.   Or whatever savory or sweet food that you can eat a lot of and that will make you feel satisfied.  I only mixed the flavored, instant mashed potatoes with mashed up hamburger and at the whole thing myself.       
........................................... Don't take them out to eat, whatever you do.  Do not listen to the advise ............................................of people telling you to take your dentures out and eat without them, it is  ............................................very bad advise. 

Learn to eat with them in.  It will hurt, it will be frustrating and you will cry with boogers coming out of your nose and you might scream like I did and all but eventually you will be able to eat with them in.  If you eat without them you will absolutely ruin whatever bone you have left and you will look 10 - 15 years older in a couple of years and errrrrrrrrrrybody will see that you have dentures and you don't wear them properly.  Don't do it.  It took me about 3 or 4 months before I could eat "chewable" foods and barely even then.  
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Thank you everyone for your encouragement. This has helped me so much. I'm going to pray for each of you. I'm going to try to start being more positive.
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Sharon:Your original post sounds exactly like me,so much so it could actually written by me!!! Even though I"'ve only had them 4 days the bottoms are loose and I''ve wasted money we don't have on adhesives.at least 5 or 6. Very, very depressed. I can't even imagine eating real food!!!
Good luck to you.
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I suffered for 2 years with a full top denture and a bottom partial. I could not chew at all .
70 lbs later and 2 years I discovered Seabond it saved my life they have strips for the top and bottom.i still can’t eat steak ,lobster or anything you need to break apart . Otherwise I can chew so much better than before Seabond gives you a grip to bite. Plus no mess when you take the denture out peels right off.
Worth a try
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What about the taste?
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Sharon C Hazelet-Torfs

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get the original not the mint call and speak to them at seabond they are so helpful
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My dentures are ill-fitting, the bottoms are the worst because I took an electric nail file to them because they were squeezing the heck out of my gums, then I dropped them and super-glued them back together.  My uppers, the teeth are tilting in, towards my face instead of straight up and down or tilting out like my original teeth, yes I was a bit of a bucky.  However, I can chew steak, I mean, I can't tear it off with my teeth but I can cut it up and chew it up.  Eventually, you will get there but not now, give it 4 - 6 months to really get started and if you keep at it you will be eating just about everything at about 9 months.  Eventually, when I save enough, I'm going to have another pair made or learn how to make my own.  I bite a hamburger with the incisor part of the dentures and that works for me.  Bite into an apple like the commercials?  No way!  I put the densurefit into my uppers because the reline the dentist did was way too thick and lowered my uppers like 1/4 " and raised the lowers the same amount, it was ridiculous.  For the lowers, I filled that in with the stuff I bought on Amazon from the Japanese company but I have to reapply it every couple of days to a week so it's not long term.  I tried the densurefit for the lowers but it cracked apart and peeled right out and so was a waste of $50.00.  
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I'm so sorry for what you are going through, I'm praying for you.
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Below is from the internet   about dentures  Lower denture are a
bigger problem then upper dentures and they reccommend \
implants to secure  them

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Most complete dentures stay in place by closely fitting to the underlying gum and bone tissue with a thin layer of saliva between your gums and the denture. The more surface area, the better the seal. This is why upper dentures tend to have fewer problems than lower dentures. 

If you don't have any of your own teeth to help retain a denture, you can get dental implants and attach a denture to them.


Different types of dentures stay in place in different ways. All dentures are custom-made to fit your mouth, so they conform perfectly to the shape of any existing teeth and gums. Complete dentures stay in place because they are molded to fit the gum and bone ridges in your mouth. Also, your mouth muscles subconsciously adjust to having dentures there and work to hold them in place

. Lower complete dentures are a bit harder to keep in place because of the tongue, so overdentures (dentures attached to existing natural teeth roots or implants) are often recommended if possible.
 
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1Spicy!

Hi Spicy

You certainly know a lot
The reason people reccommend the clip on is because it is less
expensive then more implants and cost is a big factor

I have all implants and I got them more then 12 years ago at least I think
However it was a big cost but because I have a  gag reflex and a horror
of dentures I sacrificed and got them

Actually the lowers were covered   when  I had dental insurance so at least
 half of that was covered by my insurance

I had no pain and no discomfort ever.  
I have had zero problems with them
I love them

If it were done  today I probably would have gotten the clip on's
because they are less expensive

I think for bottom dentures the clip on's really should
be a big consideration because bottoms float and drive 
people crazy   and people hat them

Barbara
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I think everyone on this link  should compare the prices
 they paid for their dentures

What did your temporaries cost and what  will your permanent dentures cost?

Did you buy an all inclusive package? 
Did you have to do that in your contract

How much did you have to pay in advance?

In  this way you can see what your options are going forward
You should make sure you temporary  dentures are OK  before you order
you permanent dentures
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I paid about $2300 for the  removing 16 teeth getting the immediate set and 4 soft liners scheduled before the they went to a hard liner.  Insurance paid about 1200 and I used a Health Savings account card to pay for the rest.  This was all paid in advance.  It felt like it was forever between soft liner appointments but now I've had my hard liner I've actually eaten lunch and supper and still found my bottoms were in securely.  That was a first.  Used to be if I tried to eat 2 meals in the day without more paste the bottoms would pop out during the second meal.

I went to DDS Dentures + Implant Solutions of Grove, Ok.  Every time I went there I kept seeing info on implants and a link to go to.   www.teethinplace.com
 I will probably call them some time to set up an appointment to talk about my options for implants for my lowers.
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Hi Charles Vore
How much is your place charging for the implants for the over denture??
Have you paid in advance for you permanent denture?

How many implants have they done and can you ask them where they trained for implants?
Please keep us informed  and educated
Thanks
Barbara
 
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Yeah if you can afford them!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hi Karen, 

I am so sorry that you are going through this, I can relate for sure. I am 27 years young and had all 28 teeth removed the week before Christmas. I was beyond depressed that I could not go see my family (there was no way I was up for a three hour drive after everything) and that I would not be able to enjoy that traditional Christmas dinner with family. After the extractions, I was not able to wear the temporary teeth, because it was too painful. I basically lived off of chicken broth and applesauce. My boyfriend ended up making a small ham for Christmas, which I was able to cut up really small. I am now three weeks post extractions and I had my first soft reline yesterday, and this taste is absolutely terrible. It is making me drool and nauseous. I am still not able to eat with the temporaries in, but I have been managing. I eat a lot of soup still, but I also have eaten scrambled eggs and sausage cut up really small. And the other day, I made pasta and meat sauce ( I highly recommend egg noodles, penne, etc. Anything that you can easily swallow - and I continued breaking down the ground beef as it cooked in the skillet). And that was the first real meal I was able to eat in weeks. But I am depressed and going insaneeee thinking of food. I just want a slice of my dads pizza in the worst way. It is going to be a long six months until I get my permanents. I was about 115 lbs before the extractions, and now I am probably around 100 lbs at most. I find that this site and everyone telling you their process really helps. It has helped me know what to expect, and helps me not freak out over the tiniest thing that may make me nervous. So thank you everyone for sharing your experiences :) 
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Kristy
Hi
Do not think of getting your permanents until  they adjust these temps and you heal enough to wear them and eat with them.   Only  then think about getting the permanent dentures because if they can't fix the temps you won't like the permanent ones

You have paid for these Temps and probably  even gone to contract on the permanent ones??

You have listened to the dentists  advise and paid your money.  Now get the full benefit of what you have paid for

Investigate getting clip on over dentures for your lower denture at the least
Talk to this dentist or chain about thee cost of the implants to anchor the denture.?

 Investigate the cost and the benefits. 
Think of it as Paying for your cell phone or Cable

You will start feeling better
Let us know your progress
Good luck
Barbara
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Please be careful using this product. I've used this for 15 + years. I now have transverse myelitis, ataxia and zinc induced mylopathy from the zinc in this product. The nerve damage is irreversible. Please look it up before use. My life has forever changed. I can barely walk, I can't walk up and down stairs, I can no longer drive and nerve pain at times is unbearable. I started rehab in hopes to regain my balance and coordination. Polygrip has removed zinc from their product. Fixodent has had many class action lawsuits because of the damage that was done to consumers.
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Which denture adhesive are you referring to that you had problems. Thank you.
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Fixodent. Polygrip is zinc free. Please make sure of the ingredients before using. I'm trying to get the word out. Yesterday was my first therapy appt. I believe I can get some balance back but the nerve damage in the spinal cord is irreversible. 
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I am 5 months after extractions and 2 sets of temp dentures and tons of bone spurs, the dentist cut my gums and now my tongue is straining, thinking about going to a different dentist for my permanent set, had a consult at Aspen and considering comfylites. ughhhh this has been horrible.
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aspen is a nightmare.
 good luck
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the aspen near me has great reviews its all a crap shoot no matter where you go when your dealing with insurance.
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Partricia
Now that you have priced   out your permanent dentures from 2 different places why don't  you price out over dentures for your uppers and lower jaws
 or at least consider an over denture for you lower jaw  where people have the most trouble

You should pick a place that has experience  in implants like a dental college or a prosdodontist that has done many   implants
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Below is some information about over dentures from the  internet:

 Implant Supported Dentures:
  • Provide tremendous support and fixation so you can comfortably speak, chew, and smile.

  • Keep your upper and lower jaw bone from receding which prevents facial shape changes like the “shrunken” look.

  • Perfect option for patients with dentures who do not want to go through the expense required for individual tooth implants.
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Patricia
How much are these 2  Dental  places charging you for your bottom denture???

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Barbara both places do a package for an immediate denture and a final denture I havent gotten a price from the second dentist yet the first dentist didnt give me a price so far I laid $1000 out of pocket for dentures I cant wear
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Patricia
Please hang in and do not have a nervouse break down. If your insurance will cover a therapist maybe you should take advantage of that perk and talk it through with someone 

So you paid $1,000 and did your insurance company pay anything toward theses Temps

Yes tell your dental place that every one tells you your teeth look terrible and they do not fit in your mouth

You are right about Debi she knows a lot about dentures
Does   she live in the same town or state as you??
Even though it is  the same company I think each state has their own group but ask Debi about that

Debi  loves Russell Klein mail order dentures which are 
much less money and you might want to ask her about that and maybe they would work for you

No matter what you do you should  still try to get an  adjustment either having your original denture place  make new dentures or give you some kind of refund   These temps are useless to you as you are  unable to wear them.
You also want to solve this bone and gum problem

It  now  sounds like you are becoming a very savy consumer  and one way or another you will figure out what is best for you
We want to know how this is going to resolve for you because we are a learning blog and do learn from each other

Keep us updated and we certainly hope that you start getting everything taken care of.    Improvements are on the horizon
Barbara
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Barbara my insurance paid for extractions but nothing towards a denture so I have that to fall back on Im not sure where Deb lives, Russell Kline is an option if affordable will not make the horseshoe for me, and I have been in contact with russell the whole thing is sad I am on disability and anything out of pocket has to be borrowed so its a bit of a burden, but I need to be happy sooner or later, I appreciate your kindness thisnforum has helped a lot and Im glad I found it. My next step is to try to get the horseshoe denture to wear while Im healing maybe having teeth will help my state of mind
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Patricia
I thought Debi had her horse shoe upper  denture made by Russell Klein Mail Order but I am not sure and you should ask her. 
I know she really likes RK dentures

Some other people use JO's mail order who  are  on this blog and they reccommend him
Perhaps one of these 2 places would work for you/  They are, I understand,  inexpensive and some people love them
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Barbara I know Debi has some Russell Kleins bit she did say that affordable made her a upper horseshoe and she shpwed me pics we messaged a week ago, I contacted J O 's and never heard back. I am hoping affordable will help me my friend went to the one near me and the dentist there has excellent reviews .I sent them a message so I am hopinh to hear from them during business hours tomorrow. Im even willing to agree that they are not responsible for me having to use a soft liner or adhesives aith the upper , so keep your fingers crossed that they call me tomorrow and can help me asap.