Mini implants for lower denture?

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I am 35 and have full upper and lower dentures. It has been 2 Years for the upper teeth and 1 year for the lower. I have never been able to eat with my dentures. I’m considering getting 4 mini implants to support my lower denture. These implants will only be placed in the front. I am wondering if anyone has any experience with how much support that will give and if adhesive will still be needed for the back part of denture? I can currently wear my top for cosmetic appearance but cannot eat. I have tried many adhesives and find they do not keep food out or will hurt to remove, at times the adhesive causes a burning feeling...
Any advice on if mini implant stabilizers will still require use of adhesives?
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Mini implants do eliminate the need for adhesives. You just have to make sure the the denture is fitting properly. I would suggest having the denture relined first so you know it is sitting on the tissure. If it isnt then the denture could "bounce" and potentially cause the implants to fail. Having 4 placed is a good idea as it acts like table legs and gives the denture stability. Have two place in the front and the other two back around your first premolar(if possible). Good luck
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There  has been more research on full  implants as opposed to mini implants

Find out how much more  doing this would be using full  size implants as opposed   to the mini and  then make a more informed decision

Keep us posted on your progress
Barbara
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I have the same problem. Let me know if it works
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Since you’re only 35 I would do it right away you wait too long you lose too much job bone and then you won’t be able to do it I do it as fast as you could you’ll never be sorry probably
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Gem Boyd

Consider getting a snap on lower denture with 2 or  imlants and that shoud be less expensive

If you have a college dental clinic near you go there and price it out as they are usually very good and less expensive

Barbara

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Wow my story is the same I can not eat I live on soup,sweet potatoes, and protein drinks . They won’t do mini implants they want me to have the full implant wand high is $$$$
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Go to a few other dentists and get some free consultations and find out if they all agree that
mini implants will not work for you
At least get bottom implants as people have the most trouble with the lower dentures as they are not as stable as the uppers
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Hi  Sharon C Hazelet-Torfs
Lower dentures can be secured by 2 or 3 regular implants
The denture is clipped on to them

They are very secure and much less expensive then all implants
You do not need adhesives

Try a dental college if you want to keep he cost down
Consider having the work done in Mexico if you want
to keep the cost down

We have a Mexico blog on this site.  Take a look at it

Its more expensive but its a quality of life issue
Just pretend you are financing a car

Barbara
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Locator(full) implants are the "go to" implant. Mini implant are a cheaper alternative but are much thinner and have a higher risk of breaking. That's why I mentioned having the denture relined first. They need to make sure the bite is correct as well. Mini implants are better then no implants. Lower dentures are considered a "floating" denture so anything that will anchor it is better then nothing
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My dental surgeon sat down with my wife and I to explain the procedure and let us know the alternatives. He started out strong about the implants will make the dentures almost undetectable and also much more natural to use. I found myself perking up a little until he told me they would be 83 thousand dollars (a good 60 thousand over my price range.) But I absolutely think if money in no object go for the implants. They will make the whole process take a lot longer because of all the separate surgeries involved in doing the implants and then you have to wait months on them to make sure they are solid. PS-lower implants by themselves will really make things better for you. You should go for it.  My surgeon recommended like 3 lower implants one on eack side and one in the front to keep them from rocking.
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$83,000 is the highest price I have ever heard. American dollars? Where do you live that your local surgeon is that much? I’m getting the whole package with extractions under IV sedation and bone grafts and 11 implants to support full dentures and it’s significantly less that that. I’m only partially through the process though so I can’t yet comment on how I feel about the actual dentures yet. It’s a never ending wait.
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I had the entire procedure done and i am so so happy with it and  am sure you will be also
I had my first implant done about 30 years ago.  Would you believe it??  That one is still there.  I now have all implants
It's the best money I ever spent  They feel great and they look great
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I have also been considering mini-implants for my bottom denture...does anyone have an average cost per implant on the mini's?
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I have been researching this since I got my temps a month ago..cost is roughly 500 per mini..most people only need 2 or three.. I am going to discuss with my dentist ..cost would have been cheaper than buying two sets of dentures, temp and permanent s...save on relines , glues and extra dental visits..
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Hi Betty
Sounds like a plan to me.  Lower dentures usually just do not work as we all know.
Dentists should stop selling them to people.

Some  Dental colleges charge $6,700 for a lower denture secured by 2 full implants.
Have you researched Dental schools in your area???

How does that price  compare to the mini implants along with the denture???

I would be concerned that snapping a denture on to mini implants would cause the mini implant to come loose???   But I don't really know that.    
Mini  implants  are thinner and do not go as deep but speak to your dentist and speak to a few dentists that give free consultations for a professional opinion.  
Of course you could also research going to Costa Rico or Mexico or Budapest or a Dental college

You are doing all the right things here.  Good for you.  Please let us and this Blog know  what you find out
Good luck
Barbara
 
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Greets,
I did a good bit of research on this some years back but was always too busy to get it done. As a retired doctor myself I spoke with a couple of colleagues and learned that the mini implants are thinner and do not go as deep into the jaw.  This could be an issue if you do not have a good amount of bone to support them (you really need more bone for the mini implants than you need for the full implants, think of how easily wood will fracture with a thin chisel, it makes fractures more common with the mini's).  Also, with the mini implants you want to have the full 4 implants to have the best stability, again, you have to consider the possibility of fracture which is always a risk with any kind of implants, not a great one but one you need to be aware of.  Having 4 implants gives you the most support over the greatest area, kind of like a 4 legged table is more secure than a 3 legged one and forget the 2 legged one, it just lacks stability to the point I would find it dangerous and I do not know if you would find a dentist who would use only two mini implants and would definitely want a second opinion prior to spending the money to have 2 implants used to support a lower.  You have to remember that with implants it feels more like your own teeth and there is always a chance you are going to forget and chew on something harder than you should with implants.

There are so many things to consider.  I am fighting with this problem now due to severe bone loss and the inability for my family dentist to construct an upper which has any support and has to be 'glued in' and a lower which has a little more support (not much) but which will not stay in with ANY of the products I have tried.  The only one I hear a lot of praise for is 'Secure' which I keep wondering if it would work on a patient with a very little ridge to work with.  Does anyone have any experience with bone loss and the use of 'Secure' to hold in a lower plate?

Thank you all for sharing on such a personal topic, the honesty everyone has displayed is wonderful with everyone coming forth sincerely trying to help others. It is so reassuring.  It is not exactly a topic you can just bring-up!

Be well,
Margie Sacc
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Forget the dentures  You will never be happy or comfortable with them
You can get full implants  in the front to secure a lower denture that will be better  then the mini implants if you can afford it.  It's worth it if you can do it.
Where do you live???  Consider getting pricing in Costa Rica or Mexico or Budapest it might be worth it.  New York has some cheaper implant places
Research the implants on the internet.  Do You have a dental university where you live???  You are too young not to have comfortable teeth.  It is worth it
to finance them if all else fails/  It's a quality of life issue for you
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Please, do not take this the wrong way but I would avoid heading to Mexico for cheaper dental care. My mother in law, who lives in Orange CA, did this to save on the price of implants and wound up with a fractured jaw because their system of licensure will allow any dental practitioner to perform the procedure provided they are licensed in whatever medical back-up they need if there is a general anesthetic in use for the procedure. If there is some kind of a problem you will also find there is no system of 'malpractice' insurance in Mexico as there is here in the US. 
Most dental schools have a clinic which is staffed by licensed dentists who are taking additional training in a dental specialty such as orthodontics, periodontal dentistry, prosthetic dentistry etc., and the charge is based on the 'ability to pay'.  My son had a lot of work done after a motorcycle accident and he was not covered for the cosmetic repairs. He makes an average salary of $40,000 a year and after considering the number of dependants as well as his mortgage he has a $35.00 co-payment regardless of the procedures which are done at each visit.  I'm sure the particulars vary with every program, however, if you live in the Delaware Valley where there are more medical schools than you can shake a stick at I'm certain you will be able to find what you need. Cooper Hospital in Camden also has 'Cam-Care' which is incredible with the number of services available for little to no cost. Cross the bridge int PA and you just have to pick up the phone to see which school offers what.  Just as almost all hospitals have charity care for patients who do not make above a certain income limit there is the same kind of care provided by doctors and dentists.  It is sad that this information is not more available to the public. Many people never knew about it until someone who was in the program shared the information or they knew a doctor or dentist who had been involved in one of the programs. It is worth checking out.

Again, Be well,
Margie Sacc
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I’m in exactly the same boat. But I’m afraid to do the implants. I know too many people who have later on gotten infections around the implants, had to have them cleaned/scraped. With my dental phobia, I just can’t risk that. I will go on using the best adhesive I can get, when eating out, Eating small bites, chewing on both sides at the same time (learned that, here on the forum) and do the best I can. I hate having dentures.
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If yu hate dentures you are really going to hate them when you ave to deal with them
I never had any trouble with implants and I know many people who have them and none of them have had a problem.  You just have to be careful and go to some one who is well trained in implants.  They are getting better and better
You can just try over dentures where the dentures are anchored to 4 imlants
Try a Dental University
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Hi Barbara,
Please remember that you must consider the oral health and structure of the bone and supporting tissue on an individual basis before you can say that everyone will do better with implants. Thankfully, you did not have an issue with your implants, however, this probably means you had a good dental surgeon who knew what he was doing when he examined you to see if you were eligible for implants in the first place. I have recently found out I am not eligible for implants due to an abusive ex-husband who did a lot of bone damage to the lower jaw when he punched me in the face when I was 27 years old.  That is when the problems with dentures began for me.  I was able to successfully wear dentures for 25 years but then had to deal with problems relating to bone loss.  These problems can also occur to patients with implants where the bone around the implants begins to deteriorate.  Unfortunately, some things are part of the aging process and will occur to all of us as we age.  With women, many of these issues do not appear until after menopause when many bone density issues start to appear. 
Stay away from Mexican providers as their licensure is not the same as in the US and in some areas medical malpractice is non-existent so if there IS a problem and you need expensive reconstruction then you are out of luck.  Your suggestion to find a dental school is an excellent one as the dentists there are all licensed dentists who are furthering their education in a dental specialty and all are supervised by a resident who has already completed his training. My son has had a lot of work done at one of the dental schools in PA after a motorcycle accident after learning they would not cover any of the cosmetic restorations he needed. 
The best thing you can have on your side is a good dentist who can point you in the right direction if you have a problem. I would question any dentist who did not do his best for a patient with an issue with a denture which he was unable to solve. At the level of family dentistry, he will simply not have the experience a prosthodontist will have with difficult cases which are not candidates for dental implants. 
My apologies for going on so long. It just really hits home hearing so many people having to face the same problems I am living with every day as well.
Be well all,
Margie Sacc
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What's the difference between a mini implant and a non mini implant?
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The difference is in the size and the price
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The size of the actual post?  Like how deep it goes into the bone?  Or the size of the piece of denture attached to it?
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It is the size of the post.  The mini implants are smaller and I believe not as deep.  The denture is the same
Look it up on the internet and see the difference.  Do You know what the difference in price is?  Did you ask your dentist how much the mini implants cost as compared to regular sized implants.  Do you know how much experience your implantologist has??  If you are thinking of a permanent bridge in the future perhaps you should be considering the regular sized implants  Would you consider going out of the country for your dental work??
Will your dentures be porcelin or plastic???
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I am already in the middle of the implant procedure.  I just didn't know what people meant by mini implant.  I already have 5 in my lower jaw but I had to get bone grafts for the upper.  I was supposed to get the 6 upper posts a couple weeks ago but I got sick so I had to reschedule and lose a month.  I would never go out of the country myself because I don't like to travel.  I'm annoyed I have to drive 40 minutes to get to my dentist, but it was the closest sedation dentist.  :)  I never researched prices.  Just going to the dentist was a big achievement for me as I'm sure it is for a lot of us.
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Good Luck Janet  I am sure everything will work out and it sounds
like you have made a good decision.   Make sure you are happy with
everything the dentist is doing and speak up to him if you have any
concerns or questions
I had to drive into New York City from Westchester NY to have my implants done and it was a terrible ordeal.  It took a lot of time and a lot of energy and a lot of money.  
I could never do it again but it has worked well and I am very happy with the outcome 
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That must be an ordeal to drive into NYC. I couldn’t do it any more. Too old for that kind of driving. I’m outside DC and my dentist is in Bethesda which is probably about as expensive as going into NYC. I actually started this process in September and I’ve never once had to call the dentist in between appointments. I’m cheating though because since I know my permanents will be screwed in, I just never wear the temporaries other than the occasional trip out. I haven’t bothered trying to eat with them.
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People seem to have the most trouble with the lower dentures. Be very
insistent that the dentures when they go in are comfortable.  Tell your
dentist immediatley if you are  having any discomfort and see that all your concerns are addressed.  He must address all your concerns and any prob;ems.   Make sure that he knows what is going on with you and if you have to have  a consultation with some one that he consults with if you think something is wrong 
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One possible option is to have two implants placed in your lower jaw and a denture made that snaps onto these implants. This option allows for your lower denture to be more stable while chewing than without implants. However, there will still be some movement of your lower denture, and sore spots will occur if any food particles, especially seeds, are caught underneath the denture. As with all removable replacement teeth, you still will need regularly scheduled periodic appointments for denture adjustment.



Below is some information I found about lower dentures attached with 2 implants.
Does anyone have any experience with this option:

One possible option is to have two implants placed in your lower jaw and a denture made that snaps onto these implants. This option allows for your lower denture to be more stable while chewing than without implants. However, there will still be some movement of your lower denture, and sore spots will occur if any food particles, especially seeds, are caught underneath the denture. As with all removable replacement teeth, you still will need regularly scheduled periodic appointments for denture adjustment.

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Hi,
I just wanted to mention again, more briefly, that as a doctor I have investigated the 2 implant stabilization of lower dentures and the consensus of my medical and dental colleagues is that this is a BAD IDEA. The incidence of mandibular fracture is highest amongst those with only the 2 implant stabilization BECAUSE of the rocking you get with only two implants. You are literally stressing the bone by putting pressure on the implants every time it rocks. Like a tooth which is loose, the more you play with it, the looser it gets. The looser it gets, the more easily it is to fracture the bone due to stress points which have no time to heal as you are constantly putting pressure on the implants. It's amazing they do not fracture more often than they do. The incidence of mandibular fracture due to dental implants increases with the age of the patient.  It is always good to have a thorough medical check-up as well as a dental check-up prior to seeing a specialist about having implants.  Just the initial consultation can be $200 and up depending where you live so make sure your general health is good prior to the start of any surgical procedure and putting in dental implants is surgery and I would believe more patients than not opt for full sedation, please, knock me out cold!  I don't even want to be aware of anything like that going on in my mouth. 
Be well,
Margie Sacc
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Your input is very important however the biggest problem with implants are  the costs,  unfortunatly 
I started having implants when  they were very new (so long ago)   and never had any trouble with any of them  Of course I was a very good candidate for the procedures because of my very heavy bone 
Dental  Consultations in NY are usually free
I never had full sedation although it wold be more comfortable and probably more expensive
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I had implants put in a week ago, upper and lower for the overdenture. Once I can save the money in a few more years they said they can use the implants that are in place and do a bridge to have the fixed dentures that don't come out. I don't have any good advice as I have to wait 4 months on the lower and 6 months on the upper. But I'm told that you can eat a lot better with the snap ins. I sure hope so!
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You will be much happier with your decision to use the snap on dentures rather then settle for regular dentures.  Perhaps it will be so good you won't need to
get fixed bridges.  I have the fixed bridge over implants and I am very happy with it.  It was expensive but I feel well worth it and it has been lasting a long time
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Tom Tom  The price is out of line.  It is too expensive
Research before you move another inch
First  of all you are talking about permanent regular implants and not mini implants
However  Regular implants are a good thing 
I have all implants and a permanent bridge and I love it.  They are perfect

Read  everything about implants om  the internet
Go for 3 free consultations to other dentists 
Consider having it done in Budapest or Mexico or overseas
Read about those prices and hospitals on the internet
"Do you have dental insurance????"
(read about  overseas dental implants  on the internet)

Research Research Tom this is your life and a lot of money
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Wow, $83k is..... Wow. I'm in Australia so I don't really know how prices compare. I'm sure for here the guys I went to were not the cheapest, but they were very good. I had all my teeth extracted, 3 implants for the lower, the full your and lower dentures and then a reminder after 6 months for about $24k. The lower implants added about $10k to the cost. I'm happier with the upper denture now I've found Fittydent (Secure in the US), but the bottom is awesome!
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I don't think I really understand what you have???
The whole thing cost $83,000 which is a lot of money!!!
You had 3 implants on the bottom and then a denture on the bottom???
What cost $24,000??
What are you saying about mini implants???   Where were they??
Were they all mini implants or regular implants
Can you break your costs down?
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Sorry, I got into a replying mode, especially when I saw that $83k post!

I have regular implants, 3 only on my lower jaw for the bottom denture. My top denture is a normal suction retained one (I think that's what they call it).

Ok, cost breakdown , that I can recall anyway, was about $7400 for my upper and lower dentures. Then $1500 in relining costs after about 6 months.
The rest of the cost was in the surgery to have all my teeth removed (less the 4 that had already gone) in 2 procedures, 3 months apart. The implants were put in in those two surgeries. Mine are not mini, they are standard. There was also work done to my bone. I do have private health cover but they don't pay out much of the cost of all this. Of the $24k they paid about $5k of it. And also the hospital costs for both surgeries (I don't know what that was, at least a few K for sure).

We ummed and ahhed about weather to get the implants or not. We are not well off and could only do any of this because my wife received a disability insurance claim. At the time I was about 43 and she felt that having to have them for so long, I need to have the implants. I can live without implants for the top one, but my personal opinion is they are just about a necessity for lower dentures. They make a huge difference to its functionality and feel, and I know of plenty of people (my father included who has had dentures since his 30's) that don't even use their bottom one as it just doesn't stay in place.
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Hi goughy
Thanks for the update.  I understand much more now
The implants on the bottom were a very smart move because as you say most people have all the trouble with their bottom dentures.
I think bottom dentures should be against the law.  Everyone has problems with them so I don't  know  why dentists  keep selling them to  people.

I have all implants both uppers and lowers and it is  the best thing I have ever done for self    I don't have that much money but I knew that this was what I  had to do for myself. 
I can't remember what I paid anymore but it was a lot for me.
  
I still don't know how this cost you $83.000.  That seems like so much money for the work you had done.  But it is only money and as long as you are comfortable that's the most important thing.  I thought Australia had all kinds of medical benefits that included dental???

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It was someone else earlier who said they were quoted $83k, not me. My work was about $24k.

Australia does have a fantastic public health system, but for the average person that does not include dental! Basically the only people here who will get dental through the public health system are those on low incomes, pensioners, disabled pensioners etc. My wife and I do fall into that category and I could most certainly have had my dentures done through the public health system at no cost. But it's not as simple as that. I did enquire about the process with them. Firstly there was about a 3 year waitlist for me at that time. Then after that, the procedure from first teeth removal to receiving the dentures takes about 15 months. They remove your teeth in 1/4 quadrants, say bottom left side, bottom right side, then your top left then top right, with a 3 month wait between each of those removals. Then after the last teeth are out they wait 6 months then make your denture. It's by pure luck (not luck that my wife is unwell), but luck that she qualified for a tpd insurance payout and we could pay for them to be done.
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Hi G
Well I am very happy that you did not spend $83,000
Now $24,000  (that about $60,000 less!!!)   is fine especially since you have implants on the bottom to support  the bottom denture.  You would never have been happy or comfortable with bottom dentures that were not supported by implants  Good for you making that decision. 
 
How much would it cost to have 2 implants to support the top denture???
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I actually don't know! The the implants for the bottom added about $10k to the total cost, but we're also done while I was already in for the extractions. So I'd have to guess somewhere in the vicinity of $10k also.

The prosthodontist I see is very highly regarded and people come from thousands of km's away to see him. When we were discussing implants, he told me he doesn't really do you're implants anymore as they've found the long term success of them questionable. And that he feels it's getting the lower one locked in that is life changing. I do feel my upper denture fits well at the back but is a little loose at the front (my front guns had less healing/shrinking time after the extractions) so I'm going to query having another hard time done, to see if I can get them to fit better. My father has never used adhesive before, but I don't feel I could get away without it. But mostly I use it towards the front. So I'll see how that goes.

I do feel a little jealous of you..... implants rock!
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Hi goughy
You are so right.  Implants rock
Well I have NEVER had one moments  problem with my implants.  I did go to a
top implantologist.  I was so lucky I found him.  It was a long time ago
Before anyone knew a thing about implants  People thought I was going to be
killed when they heard what I was doing.  
I have my final implants a long time and I never had any trouble with them.  I fell once and broke the top bridge and they repaired it but many years later it split where that repair was made.  I just left them that way and have a tiny sliver of a space between my 2 front teeth but i think it looks good and so natural
Yes it is the best money I ever spent

About your top denture and having a problem with them being locked in.  Speak to your prostodontist about it and see what he can do for you there
 
Getting those bottom dentures locked in certainly was a life changing  decision for you  and good for you that you made that leap.  It has changed your life for the better.
People are lucky that implants are being main streamed but they should get the price down so everyone can get them
Barbara