Miserable 5 days after new dentures

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I am a 30 yr old mother of 3 and just had all my remaining teeth pulled (top and bottom) with immediant dentures. Its been 5 days and I am miserable!! Its not really the pain, the only thing that hurts is 2 little spots on the bottom were it is rubbing.What bothers me is the fact that I talk funny and I cant eat. Also I am young and embarrassed, I feel like everyone I see knows when only a few people actually know. Its humiliating! I keep hearing over and over that it will get better but i am miserable while waiting. Also any suggestions on any type of cushions or anything to help with rubbing? And when can i start using adhesives? I feel like it would help if the stayed firmly in place.
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I am 33 and just had all my top done and going back this Thursday to do the bottom. I haven't eat in 4 days now, but I am really not in the mood to eat. My dentist told me to use Poli grip powder. They even put it on my dentures the same day they pulled my teeth. the other day I tried not to use it but the suctions on the holes where my real teeth used to be are throbbing a little now. I am so scared of a dry socket... heathernd don't be depressed. I am having score spots on my top too. I been telling people I got my teeth whiting lol the fun thing is people believe me. Only close family and friends know the truth.. I am right here with you it sounds we had our teeth done on the same day. I am a mother of 1. please keep in touch HEATHERNB
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So, the only thing you need to worry about right now is going back to the dentist or surgeon whom pulled your teeth and placed your dentures to fix the areas that the dentures are rubbing on! They will do a bite down test or similar to see the exact location(s) needed to be taken down so pressure/pain can be relieved in that area, or also may decide if the dentures in general are loose to pad them with a liner, not the store kind, for comfort, or both! As I myself went through!  
Let them know that the denture is affecting your speech on words! Because there is a certain area of the dentures they can adjust that will fix that. On myself it was th ch sound and th s sound!  
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So, the only thing you need to worry about right now is going back to the dentist or surgeon whom pulled your teeth and placed your dentures to fix the areas that the dentures are rubbing on! They will do a bite down test or similar to see the exact location(s) needed to be taken down so pressure/pain can be relieved in that area, or also may decide if the dentures in general are loose to pad them with a liner, not the store kind, for comfort, or both! As I myself went through!  
Let them know that the denture is affecting your speech on words! Because there is a certain area of the dentures they can adjust that will fix that. On myself it was th ch sound and th s sound!  
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I understand completely. Im 34.i had a motorcycle accident 2 years ago today,may 25.i lost 14 teeth in my accident so i was 32 then.. Mouth wired shut for 3 months.no eating, drinking, smoking (yea i know).i went from 230lbs to 190lbs in 3 months.(im a big guy at 6'4")i just had a full extraction few days ago and got my new dentures. I was embarrassed talking to girls or going on dates knowing i had to explain my story everytime but i had super good friends who looked past the teeth and smile.i know we are self-confidente and its rough,but inside that counts and im sure your a wonderful mother. Things will heal over time, yes it is tough and some times embarrassing, but ive been there so keep up the positive vibes!
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I am 61 years old. I've had dentures for 28 years . Give yourself time. Go back to the dentist who fitted you for your dentures. It will take a few times of having them realigned so you won't slur your words, or be able to eat normally. The pain will go away. Everything tasting like raw meat will go away.
I used a powder adhesive for quite awhile. Go see your denture dentist every 4 to 6 weeks for a realignment. Within a year, everything will be fine.
And, just think. No More Toothaches.
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I had dentures fitted 2days ago rhey frel lose whats ur advise & scared to eat
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Hi Heather! I know it IS miserable at first! I think I hit the wall 2 weeks in wondering WHEN is this going to start to FEEL good (not just physically)! But now that I am on the other side of that wall, I can tell you it really does get better.

Half the battle is setting proper expectations I now realize. I am going into my 6th week (sorry, earlier post I counted wrong, it was 4 weeks then) and there are moments when I actually feel like they are my own. Those moments are getting longer and longer.

Be very patient with yourself and take your meds on time. Don't let the pain start up for at least the 1st 4 weeks. I never take medication for anything, just vitamins, but found with this it is a must! That is partly why I couldn't count the weeks properly because of the meds. I asked to get switched from hydrocodone about 2.5 weeks after the surgery to protect my brain and the dentist wrote a script for 800 mg of Ibuprofen to take every 4-6 hours which focuses more on the inflammation. Around week 5 I asked if I could do Aleeve every 12 hours instead which I really do more like 8-12 but it has helped me to get my head clear while still controlling the inflammation. I felt throbbing a few times at night with that but got through it.

See my post "6 weeks and counting...there's hope" for food ideas. I found eating the right soft and nutritious foods helps tremendously with your energy and mental state too. It was annoying at first, how little I could eat. But I finally resigned my self to taking tiny little bits of food like 1 macaroni on each side of my mouth at a time. Lots and lots of vegetable soup guys! Now I am up to 4-6 at a time plus small amounts of salmon or scallops! I even had tiny little bits of very tender filet mignon yesterday!

Also, drinks lots of water, plus sparking water real cold helps a lot. The little bubbles, soothe the swelling in an amazing way, especially after trying to eat.

I was going to the dentist literally every other day the 1st 2 weeks for adjustments. Really do that because your mouth is changing EVERY day as the healing progresses. It will prevent sores and help the fit happen a lot better for you.

I don't look my age at all and the dentists as well as the surgeon were telling me before surgery that I could expect to back to work in a few days...nope, that didn't happen! They failed to read my date of birth and were looking at me instead. I am twice as old as they thought and finally after 3 weeks, admitted its more like 6-8 weeks. Once I adjusted my expectations and resigned to be patient, I began to feel a lot better!

It also helped when my dentist said think of this like multiple amputations you have had. That resonated because my mom had her leg amputated below the knee and I supported her through the fittings for the prosthesis and the shrinking. But once all of that stabilize she did great! This is the same thing. So I really hope the best for you and that you decide this is a process where you will emerge in victory!
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Brooke did they explain why you had dry socket?  I have a dry mouth from medications I take and I have had dry socket a few times in the past as a result.  That said, I had surgery yesterday and my dentist and mom (who wears dentures) said to keep them in as much as you can to avoid it and protect from dry socket.  
I do not want it!!
My top outer denture is like a corset for my teeth and prevent the swelling from getting out of hand.  That said I do have a sore front gum that is pressing upwards and affecting my sinus.  I think its just from swelling.  The gums look like they are black and purple through the gums in some areas.  
I wonder what everyone has done about how long to take them out and how bad the pain is to put them back in. And should I just soldier through it or get my dentist to put it in to be safe I'm doing it correctly.

those who have lower partials - do you think they set more firmly and move around less because they are anchored a little by the teeth ?  I wonder about that.  I'm thinking food is far away - I have sorbert and appleauce so far.  I have the same issue as others above, when I bite down blood gushes out and goes down the throat and is not a pleasant thing to do.  Now with the lower going in, man.  I'd love to know good or bad what I can expect.

I end this by saying I was terrified about every thing and it has gone textbook thus far.  have never taken a narcotic - tooth aches, dry sockets and abcesses are in my past and good riddance.  I would have taken a narcotic for any of those but I have no need here yet.  I heard the next few days are the hardest but I'm less scared.  Take heart!
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YOUR SURGEON AND/OR DENTIST SHOULD BE GIVING YOU MUCH OF THAT INFOMATION. MOST HAVE IT DETAILED ON A WEBSITE. CALL THEM AND ASK THEM BECAUSE THAT IS ALSO WHAT YOU PAY THEM FOR!, EDUCATION. TRY NOT TO BE ANXIOUS BECAUSE THAT CAN MAKE YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE CLIMB. PAIN INCREASE, REMEMBER ICE, ICE, ICE TAKES THE SWELLING AWAY , ANTI INFLAMMATORY AND PAIN MEDS. GET REST, MEALS, FLUIDS AND YOUR BODY WILL HAVE WHAT IT NEEDS AND THE TIME TO HEAL. IT WILL NOT BE LONG BEFORE YOU WILL HAVE A PERFECT SMILE AND WILL NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BAD TEETH AGAIN!

OH, I DO NOT CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS.......YES YOU DO HAVE TO EAT! THOSE THAT DO NOT AND GET DIZZY WILL EAT UP IN A HOSPITAL QUICK JUST FOR THAT DECISION ALONE!

FIND A FAVORITE MEAL REPLACEMENT DRINK. I LIKE ATKINS CHOCOLATE MILK OR VANILLA. YES THREE TIMES A DAY!

BECAUSE YOUR BODY NEEDS NUTRITION TO HEAL YOUR MOUTH.
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@changedfirhim...
Thank you for this post. I feel better after reading this. I thought something is wrong because I'm still in so much pain. Mostly when Im Up n about too much. Also I clench my jaws so bad so I have a feeling that's part of it. And realizing having fibro makes healing hardr. Haven't bee. Eating again n not enough water so I'll go back to that. Thank you so so much
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@ shiela Kruger Yanez I have fibromyalgia too. Was wondering how it might affect my healing. I seem to be healing okay though but really won't know until I'm looked at. I don't have another appt for a month though. I'm 5 days in today. I also clench my jaw. Haven't had any relines done. Today has been the worst. I haven't had to take any narcotics but the second day asked for ibuprofen 800 to be callled in to the pharmacy and have been taking that and it helped a lot but today it doesn't seem to be helping as much. I am also concerned about dry socket. Wonder if it comes on suddenly? Or if can u feel it starting to happen? I'm going to google it. I only have my tops still have teeth on the bottom and plan to get implants for missing back teeth. I hope you healed up well. If u have any suggestions or want to share anything I'd love to hear it. I'm still just figuring this out and it's been really hard. My dentist really isn't informative even with the waist jobs I asked and Seems to do things different as he hasn't offered any reline appts and plans to make my temp in a month which is odd bc everyone else waited months. Plus o think I could use a reline. My denture is pretty bad and doesn't fit my mouth well and looks horrible. Too big I look like I have rabbit teeth and it pushes my lip out so much I cant really rub my lips together like when u put chapstick on. Anyway idk if u will even respond but I hope your well.
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Exactly, great INFO!
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Ooops my earlier post about my whole store is entitled "Ideas and Encouragement". (The older site had the other title which was replaced by this one only a few days after I wrote my 1st post.)
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Changed4Him, I really appreciate reading what you had to say. I thought that because I was only given enough pain medication for 3 1/2 days that meant the pain should be bearable or gone by then. Through reading yours and others comments I think that is not a reasonable expectation. I will have to go all day tomorrow (Sunday) without. I started taking Aleve as soon as I read this. If that doesn't help I will call her on Monday and see if I can get something stronger. I'm learning a lot by reading everyone's experiences. Thanks! Pamela
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Unfortunately the government says you should only be in pain for 3 and 1/2 days what the hell do they know grrrrrrr
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I was given no pain medication and didn t think of asking at the time due to the numbness. Imposible to wear immediate dentures right now. Its been 3 days what can i do ?
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@Kenneth Rivera - you need to return to the dentist and get something to help you rest.  They said rest heals the body....and with 48 hours of pain meds, I wasn't able to rest with the meds the first 2 days.....needless to say, I am on day 7, have been back for 2 adjustments.....one I had to wait over the weekend for and by Saturday I couldn't bare to put my immmediates in.  After returning on Monday and waiting in the waiting room ALL DAY to see the dentist because I was a walk in I assume, they informed me what I thought I felt was bits of peices of teeth was exposed bone and they had to num me up and trim the bone and skin down on both sides of top gum, because I let it rub sore spots too long.  I had them pulled on Tuesday, went back for adjustment Thurs. and by Saturday I couldnt bare to put them in my mouth!  So DO NOT WEAR THEM AND LET THEM RUB WITHOUT GOING FOR ADJUSTMENTS DAILY i assume  (I only have the top denture, still have my bottom teeth) but they offered no meds or anything for that and expect me to wear them now on top of the procedure done yesterday!  I just don't know.  I think I am going to have to remove mine and let that heal first, then start fresh from healed mouth to even begin to figure out where the sore spots really are anymore!

But my denture is way to big and they just keep taking some off of it.  Will they ever adjust by adding anything to it?
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I'm a 'veteran' now, approaching 3 months with my new teeth. changed 4him is right. It took me about 3 weeks before I could chew. I never had real pain, but the chewing was uncomfortable. It was a full month before I could chew anything but soft foods without discomfort, again no real pain.

If you have sore spots, contact your dentist and have the dentures adjusted. You can probably expect to go back a number of times for minor adjustments. I've only been 3 times and should go again, except that we're out of town for the next over a month due to a family emergency. I'll make do with Fixodent adhesive.

I didn't begin using adhesives for about 2 weeks, if I recall correctly. The gums need time to heal. Once you start using the adhesive, things begin to improve noticeably.

As for talking, initially I had a nasty lisp. If I try to speak at my normal, pre-denture rate, I still find myself lisping. I've had to learn to slow down and form my words. Mostly it's working fine and I'm convinced that, in time, I'll be speaking at my normal rate again. Remember, your mouth isn't the same anymore and it takes time to adjust.
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Hi Carla, do you already have the implants and an implant retained lower denture snapped on? There is usually no gagging that happens with a lower. Maybe you can explain a little more...
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I talk very fast and so this was a very helpful post for me
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YEP MY IMMEDIATE DENTURES WERE GAGGING ME, THEY HAD TO DO SOMETHING AND IT CAUSED FLUIDS TO GO UP MY NOSE ON OCCASION. THEY THINNED THE TOP PALATE AND CURVED IT IN SLIGHTLY TO GET IT A LITTLE MORE AWAY FROM THE GAG REFLEX AREA!
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Josie I got 4 false teeth in bottom n I had mine adjusted several times but my throat n ear hurts  n my tongue burning on 1 side underneath my gums used to hurt n salt water is good for that n got my 4 teeth in n bottom is bit white but don't really hurt all I'm concern is my throat ear and underneath tongue wat can I get for that do u know or anyone plz let me know.
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My dentist had me try wax dentures till up to a week b4 she extracted my remaining 6 Teeth. They installed my dentures the same day they were pulled. They actually feel nice an snug. My issue is taking the on and off . My gums are so sore... what else can help to ease that
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I've worn dentures for over 15 years - had all mine pulled when I was 38. It really does get better and eventually you are looking back on it and seeing how far you have come. Be sure to get plenty of rest, clean your mouth regularly, see your dentist as often as necessary for adjustments, and do NOT rush yourself!! Good luck!
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Yes, and you will be very very glad you did it. Because bad dental gums teeth like I have causes heart disease!
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FYI, THOSE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH PAIN OF THE SMALL TINY BONY THAT HAVENT YET GONE AWAY IN THE FRONT ALONG THE RIDGE LINES, GETTING YOUR CLINIC TO FIX THOSE AREAS ARE WHAT THEY SUPPOSE TO DO, ALSO DO NOT EVER USE ORAGEL IT WILL CAUSE A CHEMICAL BURN. THE BEST STUFF YOU SHOULD HAVE AND IS A GOD SEND IS ORABASE AND YOU NEED A PRESCRIPTION FOR IT. IT HEALS AND NUMBS FOR HOURS . ORABASE ALLOWED ME TO EAR MINE LONGER AND HELP MOLD THE GUMS BETTER. HOPE THAT CAN HELP MANY!!!!! I KNOW IT DEFINITELY DID ME!
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I have had my lower teeth pulled for a year and still my gums in the lower front are so sore I can only keep my teeth in with adhesive for as long as it takes me to eat or go from one place to another! Has anyone hadgum pain for this long? My dentist has even remade my dentures at no cost to try and help me to no avail. I have had my upper dentures for many years and they are not a problem at all I would really appreciate any remarks on my tender gums, could my age of 75 make a difference in my unhealed gums? Thanks for any remarks!
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I have had my top dentures for almost 4 months and I'm still miserable. They slip up and down in the front, I have a hard time talking and eating still, and they protrude. My gums still aren't healed and I have really bad sore spots in the front. Someone please tell me this gets better! I've been back to the dentist several times but I'm still so unhappy.
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Amber
Please give us an update on how you are doing now
We need your input  because we are here to learn from each other.  I had all implants and I never had any after pain. I never had any  pain when I had the temporary denture and everything has been perfect with the implants,    I have the implants for a long time.  It was expensive but it is the best money I ever spent.  I just thought of it as financing a car  
Barbara
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@K:I feel for you,I can vouch for the fact that the first couple weeks are quite terrible.I had all my teeth out 2 months ago,immediates in,and am only just now able to eat things like pecans without any pain at all.It is taking me forever to get used to the top denture plate.I'm not thrilled with it but I am better off than I was before I had the extractions.The thought of never ever having another toothache again was my main motive for going through with it in the first place.I will tell you that it really does get easier the more time goes by but the wait is very frustrating.I wish you good luck and infinite patience...:)
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i just had 24 extractions with immediate dentures have not had alot of pain just sore in places but im exited to get this don for the past 10 or so years iv struggled with tooth pain infections and ugly teeth if it helps i get a can of soup chicken noodle is my fav and i heat it on the stove and then put it through the blender and drink it dosent change the taste but it does help to get your belly full i know i feel 110% better after getting it done and it will get better with time 
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Congratulations Jeff ... Glad to hear you're progressing well... just make sure you keep your dentures really clean during the healing process.. If you get ''sore spots'' try some ''Fixodent'' over those spots till you get to your dentist...You're supposed to be ''Comfortable'' during this process, so whenever there's a problem, call your dentist immediately...Your gums will be ''shrinking'' hourly, so the dentures will loosen, but ''soft relines'' help a lot and you'll have 3-4 of those (probably weekly) for the first month or so...then you can try ''Cushion Grip'' in the interim...You can purchase it at CVS or Amazon.com (cheaper too) and it's like a ''soft reline'', but doesn't stick to the roof of your mouth, only the denture...and apple Fixodent on top of it too...  It sounds like you're ''loving'' your new SMILE too... and yes, no more tooth infections or pain... PLUS ''white teeth'' ....  Keep posting on your progress too, we're here to help you ...:)
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Hi, I just surfed over to this site. I don't want to hi jack the thread but I was wondering about those soft relines. My dentist isn't interested in doing that with my immediate temporary dentures that I just had put in after having 21 teeth extracted on July 8. He did say that he would do a medicated reline in November as I'll be getting better dentures after my insurance kicks back in January. He says those only last a few weeks. He won't tell me why he won't do a soft reline, actually I'm wonder what acrylic he used for the base of these. I'm using Sea-Bond wafers right now. (Dentist isn't crazy about this either) I have a small mouth so I'm using a "lower" wafer for my top denture too. I can't stand having anything under the palate . Fixodent makes me sick to my stomach no matter how little I use. Poligrip doesn't stick at all. The thing is that my denture looks real nice but it's not stabile and I can't keep the suction when I'm eating so I have to be very slow about eating.  He did try to fix the occlusion in the front because it was pretty open and I couldn't even bite a French fry. I can bite a French fry now but anything stiffer than that forget it. I don't dare eat anything without a fork in public and even then I have to make sure that it's chicken or fish I'm eating and fairly soft vegetables. Is Cushion Grip available anymore? I haven't seen it anywhere around me for a long time. Wal Mart doesn't even have it. I'm sorry I didn't break this down into paragraphs. I don't know how to do that here.
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Hi Diane ...  I don't know why your dentist won't do a ''soft reline'', it's only been a couple months for you.... and your gums are STILL shrinking.... BUT, many dentist do a soft reline ''weekly'' for the first month or so,....along with adjustments to help with any sore spots... HOWEVER, ''Cushion Grip''  is available only at CVS Pharmacy... or you can go ''online'' to AMAZON.COM ....When I used Cushion Grip, I was using approx. 1 tube a month... so I ordered ''4 tubes'' ...

 I just checked on Amazon, now it's $19.00 a tube.. Ouch, That can't be correct!!!!!  ... Here's the ''CVS'' ad... at $7.99 per tube...  http://www.cvs.com/shop/product-detail/Cushion-Grip-Adhesive?skuId=236678    Here's the video I watched to show you how to apply cushion grip... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=764OxNaZVNs    I hope this helps you, and you may still need the ''adhesive'' too, but it will give more ''stability'' while your eating and will make your dentures fit ''tighter'' too...  After 6 months, roughly, you'll be fitted for ''permanent'' dentures that should fit much better, but you've got to let your gums HEAL first... Where you teeth ''were'', the gums will smooth over too, so you won't feel the ''socket areas'' much anymore... I'm into my ''permanent dentures'' and just had a ''Hard Reline'' a couple weeks ago, after 11 months...

It's definitely a ''process'', but once it's all done, you'll be very glad you did it.. no more tooth aches, pain, etc ... and a beautiful smile...  Good Luck Diane .. Here's my home e-mail address if you need it...  dreilman1@yahoo.com

Oh, btw, to make ''paragraphs'', just hit ''ENTER'' ... that'll do it for ya!


   
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Thanks Dee. :) Yes, I do have a lot of sockets showing. Some places are smooth and some are bumpy socket. I have a very deep socket where my 6 year molar on the bottom right used to be. I'm thinking my dentist is afraid to do a regular soft reline because of some exposed bone on my lower right that's covering over nicely. I'm doing pretty much ok with the Sea Bond wafers. My dentist looks at me pretty strangely when I tell him I do have to eat sometimes as I'm thin compared to most people in my area. Busy thin people do have a tendency to eat a good bit. lol. Soft stuff just doesn't work well for me. I'm a meat and salad person.

 I lost my teeth due to some poor recommendations and having flap surgery at age 33. I'm 54 now. The periodontist was arrested for a non related issue and lost his license. He had severe personal problems that no one including his partners knew about. As it was, I wasn't told for a year that he had been arrested. This was before the internet. If I had known sooner I may had a case against the guy my self but the limitation is a year. I don't think it was right that I was lied to as to his whereabouts before then. That practice still goes on in spite of some other business dealings that the owner dentist of the practice has. I'm best away from them. A local celebrity was duped by the owner dentist also but that guy's pretty slick and nothing happened. :/

I did have some maintenance work done at a chain dentist but I couldn't keep it up because of the cost. Also it seemed like the the X-rays were offered in packages much like going to Sear photo center. Really odd.

I do have a CVS nearby. I haven't been down into the local town area much as I work somewhere else nearby. I'll have to check out the Cushion Grip. They might have it. I know the CVS in our local mall closed a few years back. I'll look at their website too.



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I just checked ebay and amazon.  Cushion Grip is $145+ on those sites!  Wow
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Good morning Gregg,


My short answer is yes.


If you had received immediate dentures you would be able to eat many things other than soup.


As frustrating as my teeth can be, I am very pleased to have them! I have been able to eat many things. With the adhesive that works for you, you may have even been able to eat a very tender steak. It's all about cutting into small pieces and chewing on both sides at the same time.

Healed or not, you will still have all the frustrations of learning to wear them, keep them in, eating with them, etc. I only had bleeding the first day and pain (bad enough to need medication) for the first 3-4 days. I've been fortunate, in that I didn't have the facial swelling/bruising or anything like that. My gums have only shrunk - no swelling and shrinking.


Good luck and keep us posted please!
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"My short answer is..."?
Alicia,
I didn't know you had a short answer! LMBO
I've noticed as you said, most of your comments are like an "Alicia book" and a few are like novels. I'm not complaining. I love reading your comments. They have always been helpful and informative. Since you are a little ahead of me, I can see what to expect, or in some cases (like your first reline) what I can hope not to expect.

How are things going with the new reline. I haven't heard much about your adventures, or misadventures lately. Last I heard you were loving the teeth.
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Here's my short answer to you Ken: :-P

And, if you noticed, my 'short answer' turned into a novella LOL

I just can't help it, can you imagine what my family goes through listening to me. :)
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Alicia,
Lol I guess I deserved that. Konda like my family goes through with me
Well, my wife anyway, and I'm the quiet one from my side of the family! My broyher had neck surgery, and they slit his throat from ear to ear. He woke up talking his head off!

If you do a search on youtube for denture adventure, you will find our famous Lizzy.
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AliciaP

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I REALLY hope you are receiving my email books lol

I certainly hope you know that I was just giving you grief! I count you as one of my friends from hete!
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Rosie

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AliciaP, so glad it all worked out in the end. You and Ken are cracking me up! :)