My face is caved in and wrinkled since getting dentures.

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I've had lowers for about 2 years and the upper for nearly a year now. I am so depressed because it has aged my face by at least 10 years. I read where so many feel like they like the look of dentures better than their old teeth, but not me. My lips have nearly disappeared. My upper lip is all wrinkled ...like people who have smoked for years get. I have never smoked. My cheeks are concave and jowels drooping. I am 54, but look mid 60 something since getting my teeth out and these dentures in. What's the trick to a good looking smile ??
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I am 62 and 2 months in on my new teeth-uppers and lowers. I am still waiting for my lips to return. Dentist stole them and wont tell me where she put them :) You face and mouth will look different with dentures than what you had with your own teeth. I don't think you should be getting the caved in and wrinkled look though. How have the remarks been when people see you? What are they saying about your new smile? Maybe they see the pretty more than you do???
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That is exactly what I want! I know that if my family per denture teeth were longer it would push my lip out a tad to give it some volume (not denture mouth!!)! I asked if they could buildup my gum a bit (I had read this as s solution for face dropping & my dentist seemed kind of upset/inconvenienced by the request and said I can make a note of your request but they certainly didn’t do it w/these teeth too short temporaries! I will be very picky with my permanents, believe me!! Thanks a million for your input! I love your idea of building up the gum line w/refine for volume but am not sure how difficult it would be to get off before my next dental visit so my dentist doesn’t FREAK out!
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when dentists freak out-it's because they don't know how to help you-they rely on labs and if the lab-before i retired-i worked doing p/u and delivery for a dental lab.  he's about 2 miles from me and he WOULD make me a new upper and lower partial for about 600.00 total-BUT-he makes crappy dentures-they look awful-i was embarassed to deliver them to patients-this was back in 07 and 08-imagine the poor people who pay the dentist and then their case get sent to HIS lab?  i know TOO MUCH now-it's kind of scary-dentists aren't used to a patient who knows anything but to 'sit in the chair' and listen to them and we have little or no input-right now-i use perma soft reline to make my upper stay in and no glue-i can't stand gluing my teeth in-when done right (took me a little practice) it does work
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Can I go to an independent denture lab and just have the gum in the middle of my upper lip built up a bit?
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I see my dentist on Thursday and if she can't do it...I don't know why they couldn't as I hear it is a common practice and she has been doing dentures for 18 years.....the independent lab was my next thought!  Thanks as usual girl!
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depends on the lab-i live in so. cal. and 'i' and anyone i know can just go to the lab-omitting the dentist who just sends it there anyway-call around and ask-that's all you can do or look online yelp.com?  you can probably find someone who can actually 'see' you while they try to make it right-what a concept!  that's why the dentists don't let DENTURISTS work in all but 4 states-they'll lose all the denture business.  
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Patandfritz, I am sorry that I didn't see your post until just now. I've read many posts from people who are happy with the look of dentures and said they feel their looks have not changed. I think it really depends on the prosthodonist or lab that made them. I really want to get a second opinion and see if something more can be done. The sunken in cheeks and wrinkles I thought were from the bones receding, which happens once teeth have been removed,but when I look at others with dentures, this does not appear to be a problem for any one else. Others look at me...have that look on their faces like they know I am different now,and they are being kind not to say anything. My husband says yes, my appearance has changed,but that it's what's on the inside that counts...and he will always love me. I am blessed to have him in my life. My sister, who I only see every few years,actually cried when she saw me the last time and said I don't look good. :-(
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If the truth must get out, and you are saying "That's cruel to say", then, please tell me, and everyone, exactly how the truth should get out?  Should we say that it is normal to pay $16,000 for tooth extraction and substandard dentures at a Chain?  The truth IS cruel and, as you said, should be out in the open.  It's stupid to pay a Chain $16k for this, just plain stupid.  Especially if you have insurance.  
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It really doesn't matter if you keep them in day and night, I cant wait for end of day to take out because of pain
They dont fit! They wobble in mouth, rubbing gums raw. They did a wrong thing to make money for cheap dentures. Bad fitting dentures can affect your heart, your going to have diarrhea almost every day. Your going to get depressed, your going to get weak, your going to be in pain daily.
Dont have this ffg one for all you new people. I have learned that a good doc will put you in hospital, cut teeth out not to do more bone damage..
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I just read this and I really feel your pain. I had a full set of dentures when I was 38. I'm now 41 and I still have my temporary set in as I just can't afford to pay for another set as I now have a baby. Lately now I'm loosing the bay weight I really look different in the mirror. I used to have very full lips and my top lip has vanished and looking at my side profile my lip area looks flat. The reason why is because, although comfortable, my dentures don't fit at the front. The area above the teeth just forward and gives my mouth that weird look. Do you have gaps or a wideness to yours that may be making you look different? Once I can return to work I just want to save every penny I have to get new ones and maybe even get a lip filler to try and give me my lip back. I will honestly say that yes I am vein and I always took pride in my appearance so I can really really understand were you are coming from. Please try to find a positive and hold on to that through the dark times. I used to have terrible pain when I had my own teeth and now I don't and I have vowed to myself I will sort this problem out. Good luck
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the problem is finding a PERSON who know's what they're doing-from taking impressions to knowing how to give you a natural smile-when people ask if aspen or affordable dentures are good-it's like asking if supercuts is good for your hair-a PLACE is only as good as whoever works there-they do or they don't know what they're doing.  this goes for dentists and prosthodontists-the worst denture i got was a full upper with a prosth. back in the 90's thinking because she had that title of prosth. she'd know how to help me-she just kept sending it back to her lab-hoping for the best and the best never came-i am looking NOW for someone who knows what they're doing to replace my full upper and lower partial-my face is changing because my bite is off and the shape is wrong.  i need SOMEONE in so. cal. who has a clue-if anyone knows-please let me know-i'm losing hope.  
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Sunken Lip syndrome, the disappearance of your lip is some poor justification for a bullshit condition that should never happen and any government, Canadian or American should hang their head low for they know the consequence for such delusion. Yes the condition is bone resorption and the rate depends on the physiology not statics.....bottom line it leads to malnutrition, severe health issues, poor quality of life, why even mention the detrimental damage it does psychologically...leading to of economic bankruptcy....worse yet who do they blame?
I once read a dentist refer a patient to a car I general stating ..if you dont get it regular oil changes and maintenance, it's not worth much in the end so why would the government pay for implants?....I nearly well crapped myself to be blunt.

Humanity deserves to be dignified that's can only begin with a strong healthy body. No one deserves what dentures create unless we are preparepared for it. Considering dentists take an oath that the will discuss a treatment plan prior to moving forward with any procedure until the patient is physically, mentally, emotionally and psychologically prepared to cope with the consequences and or any challenges brought on by the treatment plan. This is their oath...how many of you were aware of what you are going thru?

I thought so...your sunken lip is caused by an improperly made denture btw. Take photos of your natural teeth if you cannot obtain your mould of your teeth if you had a slight angle to the not a 90degree..as if all are.....as if!!! Where do you think your lip went? Well your teeth were never 90degree...now I have very little bone left however I always had buck teeth my first denture I swore guy gave me someone else'steeth cause they weren't bucked....I liked my teeth its who I was I also always took care of my teeth my dentist DrLew in Welland argued with me for 4 years about me being covered, while my teeth stuffed and he just yanked them ...then one day too late shy of 4 years he said I was covered.

23 years I had 3 dentists I took care of my teeth, 4 years with this guy Dr. Lew, Niagara Street Welland, my situation changed and here I am so please fight to get another set and dont take no for an answer ..its a long reply however my history speaks for itself and you are worth your self esteem also if you can afford it treat yourself after research to fillers like lip injections botox to plump up also invest in collagen 2500mg a must exercise, try to maintain good weight, healthy skin. All the best!!
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In addition to the changed outward appearance, I still can't eat anything without pureeing it first. I have no saliva due to an autoimmune disease, so I choke very easily, and my teeth don't stay in because dentures need saliva to create that suction.
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OMG!
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Biotene is not the answer. We need to stop this. So many sad story's like mine.
Aspen dental is the worst. Dont let anyone you know go.
They thrive on people with low income and or no insurance. The office managers joke was; No third party payments.
If your going to have dentures look up a good OMS.
Why not do it right. I didn't k ow
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You need to get a lawyer and sue them, they scarred you and didn't make your dentures right.  Now, get off your ass and call an ambulance chaser of an attorney!  They will get you pain and suffering damages as well.  Print all the stuff that you've written online and give it to an attorney!  
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i 'cringe' when people ask things like 'is aspen dental good' is 'affordable dentures' good-a PLACE is only as good as whoever is working there-there are people in the world who know the 'art' of make good dentures-why can't we find them?  and the pricing is ridiculous-i worked for a lab. for a couple of yrs. and picked up supplies for my boss all the time-they jack up prices and call them regular-deluxe-premium-all b.s. to add $ and dentists for the most part-just take and impression or have their assistant (who may or may not have a clue) take it and if that impression isn't good-nothing after that will be-if you've gotten screwed and are not happy-ask for you money back-take someone with you for support.  i'm pissed at all i've been through but haven't given up-
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Any progress in getting to something satisfactory?
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Have you mentioned this change to you primary care physician? Since you are the only one you know experiencing this problem, it could be that it isn't your dentures causing the problem at all. I would hate for some other medical condition to go undiagnosed because you think your dentures are to blame (which is a normal deduction). Next time you go in for a check up, I would definitely mention this to your doctor, maybe even take an old photo with you to show the difference. If nothing else, maybe he/she will have a suggestion as to ways to improve it.
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You are not the only one
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Not while dentures are rocking in mouth. I have no bite. Cant bite a soft sandwich. That's redickulous
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a reline (at least so you can eat?) or is it beyond that?  sorry-i haven't been in this group long but long enough to be pissed off for all of us who paid to suffer
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Thanl you for you response I too feel that I now have what I refer to as denture face. I want my old face back before dentures. I will be mking an sppointmnt to discuss my terrible ssssssssssssssssunken looking face.
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Before ordering the denture soft coat you can get an idea of how it might look with a paper towel. Cut or tear off a piece, fold it into a little buldge and slip it under your upper gumline, make it wider if you need fullness around your entire gumline. A little bit is all you usually need. If your denture is too high and your teeth aren't visible when you smile, you can line the entire denture with 2-4+ layers of paper towel. The denture liner will do this same thing, it's very cheap and it has the added benefits of making your denture fit better, it's soft so your denture no longer hurts when you chew and it gives a sort of suction fit so the denture stays in better. I don't even use denture adhesive on my upper. You need to peel the soft coat liner off every few weeks and reapply it. You can leave it on permanently but it gets harder to peel off the longer you leave it on and it gets hard too after a month. I like it when it's newer and soft.
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I’m now on day 4 -my eday was Thursday. The swelling is mostly gone but I too now have no top lip and when I talk it looks like I don’t even have a top denture in... my FIRST post op appt is this coming Thursday... which I was surprised that they would schedule my first follow-up a week after my surgery which included full mouth of extractions and the placing of four implants on top and four on the bottom -

The surgery went incredibly well and I have been in virtually no pain other than one spot that is rubbing on the bottom prosthetic ...i literally cannot be more grateful to my dentist.. But I am having a really hard time I am talking myself into thinking that this is OK.

I really want them to make a new top denture- one that properly fills the space I need filled to create a fuller mouth... like I had before. I am just wondering how this request is going to be received.

My dilemma in asking for this is the fact that my dentist actually gave me an additional implant and did not charge me for it so naturally I do not want to seem ungrateful or anything of the like when asking for this.

Does anyone have any recommendations on that ?
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Please don't hesitate to tell your dentist plainly how you feel & that the top denture isn't acceptable. Stand your ground. Your dentist pays almost nothing for implants. Is a free one really worth losing your smile for the rest of your life?
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I went to Aspen dental. They were horrible! I cant keep mine in, the bottom denture is cutting my tongue. The teeth on them are uneven and sharp. They promised to make me a new pair at new place, when I hot there they took the temps, drilled them down and that was that. I have been driving over an hr one way to get to these aces, so sit and wait. Went home once with no dentures in my mouth.
I look so bad now I cry when I look in mirror. I dont have the money to sue.
I'm stuck not being able to eat anything that's not soft, pain is terrible daily, added 10 yrs to face, depression, weight loss, diarrhea daily. If you get them, dont go to Aspen dental.
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we can't say ALL of a 'chain' is bad-a PLACE is only as good or bad as the people who work there-maybe all aspen dentals are bad but think of it like this:  it's like finding a good professional for anything-how many of us have had horrible haircuts or colors at a 'chain' or a place-i've had more bad than good or finding a good mechanic-honest who just fixes you car and doesn't lie and or, overcharge you-we really need to find a way to get to the people who know how to make CREATE (it is an art) a denture smile unique to each of us-NOT a one-size-fits all and to Jenn-you HAVE to let the dentist know how you feel-that you want your smile the way YOU want it-if you don't tell them-they'll just let you go like this and you'll be miserable
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i feel so ugly my face is so bad around mouth im 44 and look and feel 70
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Same here! I was 41 when I got mine, and 3 years later I now look like I'm in my 60's vs 44! I actually have worked as Dental Assistant for 25 yrs and for the last several years, I've worked in a 1 Day denture office. I see a few turn out beautiful, and many that turn out like ours. You'd think I'd have access to all this grand dental treatment considering that's my career, but it is quite the opposite. Finding someone to place implants and make me a hybrid is dream that will never come true due to costs. Actually, I'd be happy to just have a set that adds volume and looks natural. I've had MANY friend's and family tell me they wouldn't even recognize me if they'd run into me @ a store, etc... I miss my face structure and beautiful smile I once had. I will always regret my harse decision of having my teeth extracted and replaced with dentures!! I've emailed a few offices throughout Florida that call themselves "FOY DENTURES." (*Fountain of youth), but they are well above what I will ever be able to afford. Best wishes to us all in hopes of regaining our youthful appearance.
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Take a look at the denturestore on Etsy. I just received my dentures and the fit is perfect. Russell at Denturestore does an amazing job. I think my problem with denture face or whatever you call it is because I didn't know that not wearing any dentures for about 2 years (except when I went out of my house) has caused my gums to deteriorate terribly and even then I couldn't wear my bottoms at all. They didn't fit enough to even get them in my mouth. I wish I'd have known that time that you spend with no teeth or dentures in your mouth is when your gums are deteriorating the worse and the adjustment that can be made to help isn't going to make that big of a difference. Like a lot of the people on this subject I feel I look over 15 years older since getting my teeth pulled. I was always so grateful because as long as I can remember no one ever believed how old I was. I never took that for granted and felt very lucky. That changed 2 years ago and it's hard to accept. I'm not just talking about the fact that up til I had my teeth pulled for dentures I always was told that I looked over 10 years younger than I was. The hardest part is that you go from looking way way younger than you are to looking way way older. I think I could come to accept looking my age as opposed to way younger but it's hard to go from way younger to way older. I avoid people as much as I can. Mostly people that I know that I haven't seen since I had my teeth pulled because the few people that I did see afterward were shocked when I ran into them. They tried to be nice but I knew what they were thinking. My age never bothered me because I was holding up pretty good. Since all of this has happened my age seems to really be on my mind a lot. At 63 years I was enjoying my golden years but now I'm kind of a shut in. That makes me sad.
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I truly understand having always looking several years younger than your true age, then having the total opposite effect out of left field Deb! I too hide in isolation and know how you feel. I too have read over the Russell Klein review's. However, doing the wax try-ins prior to the final product being processed in acrylic is such a crucial step in having a beautiful and great functioning set of dentures. So, I prefer to have it done in a dental office or a lab that I have physical access to. I know exactly WHY my dentures have aged me and all of you...it has to due w/ several components which include your dentures vertical and horizontal deminsions, occlusion, positioning of the teeth, and border molding....ESPECIALLY that last part, border molding. Several people are achieving this on here by stating they use an otc reline kit. It creates a higher border on the dentures that in turn fill out the vestibule area's in our mouths...ex; it lifts and fills out the cheeks and lip areas. This is great as a temporary fix, but MUST be taken out and replaced every 1-3 month's due to accumulation of bacteria. Ideally, those that like the way their teeth look and like the effects from the reline, I suggest seeing a reputable denture or lab to have them place a "permanent" reline. This gives the exact effect w/o causing bacteria to grow and is generally redone every 2-5 years or longer depending on how quickly your gums and bone recede. Yes, ALL of us will continue to have bone and gums shrink for the rest of our lives regardless of whether we were the dentures or not. It has to do w/ the fact there are no longer teeth in our bone to keep it stimulated, which in turn keeps it from shrinking. The ONLY solution to this once the teeth are extracted is to have implants placed to mimic the tooth root, thus simulating the bone to not recede. ( Note: the lower jaw will continue shrinking at a faster rate than the upper in all of us. Also, all of us will shrink @ a different pace.)
Idk if you're able to understand ALL of this, but if you or.anyone has any questions please don't hesitate to ask. Best wishes to us all!!
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I am Pete and have full upper and lower dentures and I have had no decrease in jaw bone or gums. I take them out long enough to clean them and put them back in
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I know how you feel. I used to have nice full lips and now they're flat and thin. I didn't realize not having teeth would have so much to do with your lips but it sure does. Just have to get used to living this way and think about people who have it a lot worse than I do. Not much help but it's all I know to do.
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It's definitely not just you!!! I am 41 and got upper dentures a year & half ago and am having the same exact problems that you are & have read folks online with the same problems! From what I have read while researching online it sounds like the teeth in the denture(s) are not set correctly & are too short therefore instead of filling in our face they are causing it to sink in. I'm trying to find someone who is highly accredited with good reviews that I can go to to have a new denture made...I think you should do the same so you can regain your confidence
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I'm very very optimistic that Russell Klein at the denturestore on etsy.com is the person for this. It sounds like if he can't do it then no one can. I'm about to become a client of his and I have faith that I'll at least be able to eat with my dentures.
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Or, go to a dentist, tell them how to make what you want and if they can't or don't then, don't pay them. 
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I have had upper dentures and a bottom partial about a year. Just over the past 4 weeks I've noticed how awful the area around my mouth looks. I feel like sleeping without them has caused those vertical lines to lay in those folds all night, making them worse. I've started keeping them in. My face-mostly around mouth is so suddenly worse, i dont want to go anywhere . I'm on a limited budget. But the only thing to do is facial fillers, botox.. i dont have that kind of money. I'm so depressed. If. I could, I'd take out a loan to have these treatments. It's not going to get better unless I do.
I've been told not to sleep with them in. BUT I AM.
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If you are going to a dentist to have dentures done question them "up front" about the technique they use.  The 'final impression' should be made in a 'custom tray' that is made to fit your mouth.  There should be at least two 'try-in's', meaning that a wax rim molded on a type of 'denture base' is custom fitted to the patient.  The dentist should mold the wax rim to get the correct alignment of the teeth for the patient.  The wax rim (occlusion rim), also allows the dentist to get the correct fullness in the lips and to align the denture to either the patients natural opposing teeth or an opposing denture (in which case there would be 2 wax rims).  The wax rim also allows the dentist to have the correct length ( which will ultimately result in the correct 'vertical dimension', or the height from the tip of the nose to the tip of the chin).  There is no other way to make a denture correctly without working out the fit and alignment in wax.  After the dentist has the 'wax rim' molded to the way that he/she thinks is best, he should allow the patient to see their face.  The patient should ideally be sent to a private area (bathroom) to study the way their face looks.  Is the vertical height correct?  Is the lip fullness correct?  Are you happy with the amount of tooth (wax) that will show at a relaxed lip position and with a smile?  Next, there should be a "wax try-in".  At this appointment the lab has set the teeth (that the dentist and patient have chosen), in the wax rim.  It looks like the finished denture will look.  However, instead of having a hard acrylic base, the teeth are set in wax.  This gives the patient and the dentist to see exactly how the dentures will look and how their face will look with the dentures.  Then, when both the dentist and patient are in agreement that they are right they are sent back to the lab to be 'finished'.  If you dont get a 'wax occlusion rim' and a 'wax try in', you will have no idea how the finished denture will look or feel!  It takes more appointments to do a denture this way, but it is the 'right way'!!  Good luck
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When a top or bottom plate was done..were the proper amount of teeth out in these plates?
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cindy heist

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Aspen dental gave me to many teeth and they looked like ruff baby teeth
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Yes Dyana
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I've had an upper denture, full, for 18 years. It looked great. Got a new upper in January & look 10 or 15 years older. Can't be bone loss because all my teeth were pulled in 2000 & I looked fine.Comparing pictures of myself from Christmas this past year to pics made a month later with the new teeth & it's truly shocking the difference & not in a good way.  So I'm sure it must be the denture. This is just the temporary & I think I can probably get the permanent now but will NOT be going back to the same place. When I Googled this I found out it's a fairly common problem called "Denture Face" and is caused by poorly made dentures that don't fit your mouth right.
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I wasted hundreds of dollars at Russell Klein on Etsy. Six months of paying for one wax try-in & impression after another with nothing to show for it. I never communicated with the same person twice. The so called "custom" dentures were so awful they were almost funny. Got several pairs & each succeeding set was worse than the one before. The whole experience was a train wreck. I managed to get a fraction of my money back, but going by what I've seen others post, was lucky to recover anything of what I spent. 
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It is awesome that you are reporting this information.  There are so many people who have gotten them for free, actually in exchange for recommending the "Russel Klein" ones by making videos or doing write-ups here and on other sites.  The owner, forgot his name, clearly states "No Refunds" and on the Etsy site he clearly states that his product is for educational use only.  Dude took a 6 week lab course and people are giving him thousands of dollars.  Sue him in small claims court, it only costs $35.00 and he will have to pay that fee and extreme emotional distress also!  I'm in the wrong business!
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No kidding 1Spicy! I managed to get back part of the cost of the supposed custom Russell Klein dentures I never got, but hundreds of more dollars went for non-refundable costs like impressions they claim weren't right & had to be done over & over again, absolutely ridiculously bad wax try-ins one right after the other for six months, etc. Two or three of the try-ins were identical. I took photos. They were sending me the same ones & claiming they were new ones. I believe they were about $50 a set, so the costs racked up quickly on that stuff. Let's think about it: Hundreds of dollars for unverified & non-refundable costs, per person. Multiply that times hundreds or even thousands of poor suckers like me & it comes out to a healthy profit for delivering the sum total of nothing & wasting someone's time for months & months. Nice little chunk of change, huh? No wonder RK can afford to hire shills to sing the praises of his rip-off racket.
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What an ass company.  I may just order them and go through the rip-off process and sue them myself.  Then I can start a class-action suite.  Fuckers.
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1Spicy! Go for it!
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My tips to not having wrinkles or looking sunken after dentures... I've had full dentures since I was 25 years old. I'm now 43. I have found that adding a soft coat denture liner helps. After you pour it in and give it a few minutes to firm up a bit you put it in your mouth and allow it to flow go over the front and side gum line, lift your lip and push it upwards so it's not oozing over your teeth. It fills out the sunken appearance and makes my lips poke out even prettier than before I had dentures. If your dentures are older you might need to add 2 applications of softcoat (one at a time) to build up the denture. Also, I leave my dentures in 24-7. I only take them out to brush them. Fortunately, my bottom denture has 2 implants so they stay in place. 

If this doesn't work for you or you've found that years of sleeping without a denture has caused wrinkles, etc. that don't go away with the softcoat added I recommend also going to a plastic surgeon and having a filler added to plump up your lips and around the mouth where any lines are formed. 

I've been having filler in my lips the last few years because I'm getting older and want them fuller, more pouty and youthful-it has nothing to do with my dentures. Fillers will help though. They can make someone who's 50 look 30.  Fillers like juviderm contain hyaluronic acid which helps you build your own collagen around the area it's injected so it's natural and it lasts 6-12 months. I get 1-2 syringes a year added and my doctor charges $600 per syringe. 

I hope this helps someone. 
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I just had extractions and a top denture and notice the area in the middle of my top lip appears sunken!?? I asked the Dentist to have the lab buildup my gums and she said she would make a note but obviously nothing was done!!!
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get your money back and go someplace else-that's total b.s.-when they don't know what they're doing-they blame you/me/us
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Donnie

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which soft reline? material do you use?
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Thank God for the do it yourself relign kit. I've been doing the soft relign myself since the beginning when I realized the lab that made my dentures had the worse reputation and thousands of unsatisfied patients. I just wasn't informed about anything and didn't know that I should have been more pro active in every way before I jumped in. I know so much now but I'm out $6000.00 and my dentures are so awful. I'm happy to say that I'm very confident that Russell Klein at denturestore on etsy.com is going to make me smile again. I've read thru hundreds of the reviews that were posted at his store. He seems to care about his customers/clients/patients.
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cindy heist

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Why keep selling this crap, prove are hurting and loosing money. Please stop giving bad advice
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i had thought, at one time-to do this by mail-but it's really best to find someone to work with you-choosing tooth size/color and shape and having a wax try-in to make sure you're happy and make ALL changes then-i've  said this before-but if you're in a state where DENTURISTS are allowed to practice-go to one of them instead of a dentist or by mail order.  
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A denturist will be making my dentures.
This is a one-denturist town.
I can only hope and pray that they will do right by me and my very pricey immediate dentures, which will also be my ' permanent' dentures, simply with a hard reline before one-year.
I am concerned. I will never at my age, have again enough money for another set of dentures!
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hopefully-that means the denturist has made MANY dentures-just make sure you have a say in size/color and shape of your teeth and that at the wax try-in-you can see if it fits-shows enough teeth and how your face looks when 'at rest' and when you smile-they always seem to want to look at you RIGHT AWAY-what i've learned is-when you put it in-your lips kind of r e l a x after a few minutes-so you might show teeth immediately when you put it in-but then-your face relaxes around this new THING you've just put in there-so let them know that-just give YOU a few minutes to check it out in a good mirror-not that little 'barbie doll' mirror, most dentist have and not laying back in the dentists chair-looking head on into a real mirror.  ALL changes have to be made in wax or that's what it's going to be when it's processed.  i hope they do good for you.  
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I don’t have or use any. I thought you had a post that said you fix the sunken cupid’s bow issue w/a soft reline material on the gums? Anyway my Dentist is going to have more acrylic added in that area tomorrow at my reline appt!
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Deb sounds like such a Russel Klein advocate, yet has never gotten hers from him?  <rolls eyes>
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cindy heist

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She needs to stop misinformation on these dentures. Shes prob6with sales. They pick up on these boards and sell crap
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YouTube reviews sweetie. I've heard from other people, he's the real deal. I am skeptical about him as I am with many others that are online.. My last dentist screwed me over with my new pair, but I got my refund. RK does offer half of your money back, but do know this, he is Not a dentist, but an artist... he is a one-man show. Now, as I've heard, if you have dental insurance, they may be able to reimburse you for the money you spent on your dentures through him. I'm not with RK or any other ones that do this kind of work online, but I damn well will do more research on all dentists, artists, or lab techs before making my decision.
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He's absolutely NOT a one-man show. I had a nightmarish experience with him. Paid up front then months & months of being jerked around, paying more & more & never getting anything even remotely wearable. I mean they weren't just not good---they were AWFUL. Didn't fit; the teeth themselves were so bad as to be laughable in a horrible kind of way. Every message was answered by a different person. Nobody ever knew what communication went before. If you take the time to look around forums like this you'll hear plenty of other horror stories about RK. There are (no doubt) paid trolls who gush about how wonderful RK is. Don't believe em. 
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I have read your comments on about almost every online lab tech, artists, etc.. and you're never happen with anyone and always has something negative to say. I've looked on all forums and see that there are less bad remarks as there are good. So, why didn't you stop sending money after the first couple of tries of the dentures not being right??
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Constance W.

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Not sure who you have me mixed up with but the only services I've been unhappy with are RK & Affordable Dentures, at least the one in my town. Some are better than others. Mine sucks. If you have time to research all of my remarks & everyone else's comments in general on RK, you need to get a life. As far as why I kept shelling out money to RK, I had hundreds of dollars invested & kept hoping I'd finally end up with something I could actually wear. But I never did & finally demanded & got a refund through Etsy, at least for the original cost. Never recouped all the money that SUPPOSEDLY went for numerous impressions & ridiculous looking wax try-ins. 

I'm thinking you're just another paid shill for RK. I have better things to do than engage with a troll & merely wanted to correct the impression you were giving those who don't know better. 'Nuff said. 
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1Spicy!, I JUST came back here to see if she had them done or if she was STILL spouting the same info over and over! I see NOTHING has changed! She's still recommending them like a robot, yet hasn't purchased them herself! Bahaha!!!
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DEB!!!!  Please come back and let us know if you have Russell Klein make a set for you and how it turned out!  They cost over $1,000 now for a basic set and NO REFUNDS!!!  NO REFUNDS people.
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I know he doesnt accept insurance!! smh.. but, if you read what a lot of online dentists, lab tech, etc.. say.. your insurance should reimburse you if you have dental insurance. You need to do a lot of reading up on things cause apparently you dont. Plus, you sound like a bitter person. You could have easily seen after a couple of times that RK wasn't getting something right and stopped forking out so much money, instead you chosed not to. Who's at fault here then? grow up & stop being so bitter towards the man and go to someone else..
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And I say should reimburse, not will
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lol Bitter? No, honey, just truthful. Your insurance will not reimburse you for unlicensed, non-accredited services. No insurance will. And yes, I'm quite up on what dental insurance will & won't pay. Don't want you to give people the idea that when RK rips them off their insurance company will give their money back because it's simply not true. Please don't spread lies & misleading misinformation. 
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First off; yes, you are bitter. Secondly, you are total bitch for assuming I'm lying & telling misleading misinformation. I'm sorry he screwed you over.. but, it's done in the past.. you're like a broken record, fix yourself. I haven't used him yet... but, now since you wanna be a nutcase about him, I think I might in the future.
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Dental Insurance will NOT reimburse anyone for these or other companies like Russell Klein because he's not a licensed Dentist and he's not even a licensed Dental Laboratory.  His products are NOVELTY products and it says so right on his website, FOR DISPLAY ONLY it says.  Sure, it says that he (they) can custom fit them, but they are still Novelty products!  You can't sue him for faulty dentures either and all of the problems they cause.   

It's like going to the manufacturer of that skeleton you see in a doctor's office and having them make you a knee replacement and you install it yourself.  lol.  And people actually do that, with the online "dentures".  And Tina, no need to attack people to prove your point, that and your english as a second language sounding post, makes you sound desperate to "be somebody."
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OMG the original poster sounds exactly like me I could cry hysterically.  I got full dentures 9 years ago at age 28.  My dentist warned me about getting them out so young, but I didn't listen.  All I wanted was a beautiful white smile that I've never had.  As soon as I switched from my temps to my perms my facial structure changed DRAMATICALLY.  My lips already were tiny but the perms made my lips little teeny tiny slits it's so embarrassing :(  After researching I was convinced I'm a freak of nature and it must be because I lost a bunch of bone already from not having lower teeth.  Well, i'm on this denture support group and they really seem to be in denial or something about bone loss/facial collapse so I have a hard time trying to get anyone to understand.  They're all newbies and I'm 9 years out.  I actually made this long post warning newbies about getting all the bottoms out without getting any implants and what ended up happening was I scared everyone or they're in denial and would say "well one photo youre wearing makeup and one you're not"  or "you have bangs in one photo but not in the other" annnd my favorite is "it's part of the aging process"  WTF I'm only 36 not 86 lol  So I end up feeling frustrated that they are in denial.  However I did get some people who reached out and explained it could be my dentures that aren't built up right.  It seems like every time I try to explain this to the dentist they look at me like I'm stupid :(  I'm so depressed I can't even look in the mirror.  I will post photos as soon as I can.  Thank you for making me feel less alone in the world :)
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Your not alone. I dont know about the rest of these people but I dont have the money to put fat in my face, or pump up lips.
I spent it all on these bad dentures. Any dentist worth their weight will not pull your teeth. Aspen dental was like selling a time share. I thought well so many people have them. He said if I were his sister he would tell her to do it ( he doesn't have a sister). It just get worse. Sorry. I would love to eat out, put lipstick on again, ect.
They just make these things like it's all for one mouth mold and if you dont fit that your a freak. I'm going out of state and see a dentist that is better informed
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have you found someone 'out of state' who you know can help you?
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Donnie

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the dentist?  looks at you like you're stupid because he doesn't have a clue how to help you-someone out there does-that's what we all want/need to find-someone who won't treat us like they're crazy and actually help us smile again
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I have had full dentures since 1990, I was 28. I went to my regular dentist and he informed me that I could have bone loss, but I only take my dentures out twice a day for about 15 minutes for cleaning and I have had very little bone loss in 29 years, and the same pair of perms
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You are not alone! It IS your dentures & they CAN be made to fill your face back out & give your missing lips back. Your dentist is playing dumb, don't let him fool you. He knows what Denture Face is & is perfectly aware of what you're trying to convey. He just doesn't want to do anything about it. Did you know you can make your own dentures for almost nothing?
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i've thought about doing the dent-kit-but i want to be 'with the person' who's making them so we can make any changes at wax try-in and pick the teeth i want
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I did my own experiment with gum and chewed like 5 pieces and put them on my top and lower plates and for the first time in 10 years I found my lips!!!!!! A dentist told me that building up the dentures would only help temporarily and basically rained on my parade that I would ever get my old face back. I bawled my eyes out I didn’t even know my lips were still here I thought they disappeared and I cry myself to sleep not able to look at myself in the mirror my face has changed dramatically. :(
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So sorry, were in same boat. I just cant get used to. Mine are cutting the side of my tongue also. Forgetting what some foods taste like. I'm going out of Missouri to higher standards than Aspen dental factory, let's see a specialist, some churches may be able to help with cost, m azad ybe even get a understanding dental specialist that h as s compassion ( ha).
Let's not give up, were good people with bad dentures
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I had mine done in Wichita Kansas 20 years ago and I haven't experienced anything like that, I am sorry you have to go thru that
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Donnie

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sounds like you've been through hell like me-i'll say a prayer that you find someone who KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING.