Problems with bottom dentures

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Hi, time to vent so i apologize in advance. My bottom dentures just won't stay on, they come loose just by drinking water, my dentist said "that happends with bottom dentures". I use Fixodent food seal and no matter what i eat they come loose immediatley and gobs of food gets under them, has anyone else experienced this problem and if so what did you do about it. My next appointment is on Thursday, any advice on what I should tell my dentist? This is very upsetting, the thought of eating gets me upset I already lost 10 pounds and I'm one that dosen't need to lose weight.
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If l use enough glue they do stay in when l eat for the most part, have found fixodent control works the best for me, along with cushion grip for comfort. My biggest problem is after a few hours they start to hurt.
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I see, did you say that you have had them for two years? Have you heard about "flexible" dentures? All I know about them is the "pink" part of the denture is made of a material more like rubber than hard plastic. They are supposed to feel a little more comfortable and fit better than regular dentures.

Something to think about if you are planning on getting a new lower denture. What does your dentist suggest? Like I said earlier, my bottoms seem to fit a little better, but when I chew on something, they totally come loose and I have to take them out and finish eating without them. Do you remember if yours were like that when you first got them?

By the way, just got my drugstore.com order, cushion grip is one of the things I ordered, and Ezo strips for lower dentures. I'm not really sure what the strips are supposed to do, I'll have to check them out. Thanks for the info ~ and good luck to you.
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looking back l wish l had gone for the flexibles, my dentist says l may need to but new lowers but at $3000 gonna have to wait a while.
When l first got them they actually fit better, was the tops l had probs with back then.
The best of luck to you also....you will LOVE the cushion grip.
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Tammy~ Hey hun I'm feeling a little bit better im still sore from the bone that's exposed it's my bad it was but I know their and no not your typical bone splinter it's a good size piece of the bone exposed on my back lower left side it feels like the gums may be trying to grow back but from where it's at I don't think it will grow back over the bone all the way because my tongue hits it but since the dr I seen advised me to keep my bottom plate out until I go back Wednesday the 29th it does feel better and like it's trying to heal up I hope it does but if not I GUESS Wednesday they'll do another procedure to me they will cut my gums and cut and grind down the bones so my gums will reattach they may have to stitch the area I will just be glad when this is done so I can heal up the only thing that worries me besides another procedure is getting use to my bottom plate again and will it even fit I'm sure it will and everything Will be fine I just still worry about it a little. Im just ready to heal and start eating better and showing off my smile. Well I'm glad ur doing well and I know I'm on my way to feeling great again I'll keep in touch and keep u updated on everything that is going on my way.
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Twitches ~ I am so sorry you are going thru the bone issues. Sounds very painful. I can certaily understand your worry and frustration. What a bummer for you. Hopefully, your dentist will get you fixed up and back on track real soon. If you don't feel that your bottom dentures fit right after all the bone issues are dealt with, you should definitely speak up and let him know. Bottom dentures are hard enough to deal with without any added issues. You hang in there sweetie and take good care of yourself ~ I will be praying for ya and thinking about u. Keep me updated ~ your new denture friend, Tammy lol.
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Glad I decided to Google myself tonight. LOL! I'm Kalinjax, the woman from YouTube who won the implants. Unfortunately, the contest only ran from around September 2012 to Jan 1st, 2013 when they announced the winner. I was the first place winner and they also selected two runners up. From what I understand, one of those ladies got full upper and lower all-on-4 bridges, while the other got her uppers done.

If I come across any other contests, I will be happy to share them on my blog at www.iweardentures.com. You never know! I never thought i'd win anything like that!

I have four implants on the top, four on the bottom, and two bridges that screw into the implants. The only way they can be removed is by a dentist. They can be challenging to keep clean, I am still getting used to that. With these, you should have them professionally cleaned every 3-4 months.

A less expensive alternative to what I have would be implant retained dentures. It's basically the same setup I have, only they snap in and out for easier cleanings and what not. Still rather pricey. Many just avoid worrying about implants on the top since that never really presents a problem. Usually people opt for implants on the bottom. From what my dentist here in Jacksonville tells me, they can be done in stages so it's not a blow to the wallet. 4-6 implants are ideal but you can get them two at a time. I'm not an expert in that regard so I don't know the implications to getting them done that way. But from what I understand, it is an option.

STILL expensive. I know!

The bottom denture floats. I was told it would be very difficult, if not impossible to manage with a bottom denture. I had very extensive bone loss on the bottom. I am telling you, I made it work. It happened. I did it. I don't know how long I could have kept it up but for over two years, I did just fine. It does take a lot of patience and practice. Some may never be able to function with the bottom denture. I'm just saying, I did. I compare it to riding a bike. So many people get discouraged when they don't immediately know how to operate their dentures. It is a learning process. As with a bike, you will probably fail miserable many times before you succeed. It feels very awkward and unnatural at first and TOTALLY seems impossible. But the more deliberate you are in practicing, the more you focus your intentions on doing it properly and learning what works and what doesn't work, the better you get at it. I became a pro at it. (ok, almost lol).

I did use Fixodent powder adhesive. I tried other adhesives but I figured why mess up a good thing lol. I liked the powder. If you overdo it, though, it can make things to gooey and they are more likely to not stay. I guess you could compare it to actual school glue, in a way LOL. Like, imagine you're back in Kindergarten making an art project with glue (the kind you secretly tasted when no one was looking.... or was that just me lol). If you apply too much glue, you're just going to make a mess. But if you apply a thin layer, it dries better and causes a stronger bond. Just like nail polish, now that I think about it! Haha. If you apply too much, it just turns into goo and never dries.

I'm rambling, i'm sorry. But hoping anyone in the future that sees this can benefit, I understand this thread is a little old. In the first 6 months to a year you're probably going to need anywhere from 3-4 relines, more or less depending on your situation. That's when the gums shrink the fastest. Doesn't matter what kind of adhesive you use, nothing compares to a properly fitting set of dentures. Without that, nothing is going to work.

Twitches- I had a bone spur right on the front of my lower arch. OMG. That HURT. I religiously gargled with saltwater and it was out in about 3 days but it's not uncommon to get a stubborn one that requires removal from a dentist.

Sorry to hijack your thread! Like I said, I googled myself and figured i'd chime in haha. Thanks for watching my videos, glad they could help! Take care :) :)
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So awesome that you joined our conversation :)!
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Wow!! Alot of great information ~ Kristi, if you see this, thank you so much for all the info. It is nice to hear something positive about bottom dentures!! I am discouraged and it's only been 15 days!! Since implants are not an option for me in the forseeable future, I will hang in there and keep trying.

I am going to try the Fixodent powder. I will let everyone know how it works for me. Goodnite all ~ hi Twitches, how are you doing??
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Ha, just got the update, it popped in my email =) Yes, many dentists tell people, straight up, "You're never going to get used to the bottom denture". I know they probably mean well. A lot of dentists won't even do a bottom denture without implants..... because it really is a challenge for various reasons. But I don't think it's fair, as challenging as it is, to condemn someone to "never getting used to the bottom denture".... because then, where is the incentive to try?

I won my implants. Otherwise? I couldn't have afforded this, either. And so, I was determined to make dentures work for the long haul, if necessary. You couldn't tell me a bottom denture wasn't going to work. LOL! I mean, it was my only option. And so, I made it work. I am not saying people out there don't have legitimate reasons as to why they can't work with a bottom denture. But I think everyone should at least give it an honest attempt before throwing in the towel. And I think dentists should be a little more responsible with their "prognosis". Patients are going to take what they say to the bank. I understand dentures are not always ideal, but for most of us average folk, it's all we've got. So we don't need to hear, "It'll never work", when there is no hard evidence that it WILL NOT work. Are the odds against us? Probably. But the human body is capable of some pretty spectacular things under worse conditions.

Just keep swimming! The beginning stages can be rough! I hope the powder works out for you =)
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Exactly ~ Right after my surgery, the surgeon had to see another patient pretty quick, so the hygienist put my dentures in. I was still bleeding and very uncomfortable ~ I guess, because of the bleeding, neither the top or bottom would stay in. So she took them out, put them in a ziploc bag (without even rinsing the blood off!! yuck!) and told me that I would "never fall in love with my bottom denture"!! I thought that was a pretty crappy thing to say at that particular moment. Oh well, maybe she wasn't thinking, it just kind of gave me a negative feeling about my bottom dentures from the very beginning.
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That entire experience gives me a negative feeling, what happened to support?
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That was so wrong of her to say that, to even put that out there and leave you with that thought. Ya know how we were saying that our parents never seemed to have problems with their dentures, didn't complain, ate, talked, no problem? Could be because that was their only option, they accepted it and made it work. They didn't have dentists telling them they'd need implants to hold it in, the denture was as good as it got. Like the dentist I saw when I first moved here, he went straight into talking about implants, straight up told me I'd be miserable if I didn't have them. So then you've got that idea in your head, you've already decided it's not gonna work out. But like Kristi said, implants weren't an option and she was determined to make it work, and she did! I think it's mind over matter, when you believe it, you'll see it.
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Precisely. That is so unfair. There needs to be more compassion than that. Maybe they don't fully understand how truly emotional this is for us to go through.... and terrifying. To pull someone's teeth out and say, "You're probably never going to be able to function properly unless you spend your life savings on implants" is just awful. Don't get me wrong, I have implants and so I know how awesome they can be.... but I am also realistic and know how EXPENSIVE they are. Long before implants, our grandparents were getting along. Yes, implants are lovely..... but dentures aren't a death sentence. That's the whole reason I began doing my videos, I wanted to encourage those who otherwise felt all hope was gone. We were always taught to NEVER let anyone tell us "You can't do this or that". Same here. You have to put in real effort and just forget about the people who tell you that you can't succeed at it. If you've exhausted your efforts and feel you've truly done the best you can, well then, maybe you're one of those who just has a horrific time with the lower denture. But aside from myself, i've talked to hundreds of people who have got along just fine. It's different from the upper, no matter how used to your dentures you are. The bottom never felt like the top did. It was never stable and secure. But I still managed with it and became accustomed to it being that way. It felt totally normal to me. I could pop my bottom denture almost completely out of my mouth with my tongue, remove debris that may have gotten under there, then pull it back in and continue eating lol. I mean, it was just second nature by that point. I finally got to the point where I didn't freak out if I rushed out of the house without my teeth glued in.... because I began to understand how to maneuver them. It just takes practice.... but no one is going to want to practice when their dentist is telling them it's not going to work. Ugh. That's frustrating!
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Talked to *thousands. lol. Sorry, it just sounds weird to say that haha. I have to get used to it, I suppose LOL.
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Yeah ~ Sometimes I wonder if they were made different back in the day. My Dad has had the same bottom dentures for 50+ years, and he never has used adhesives on top or bottom. He eats everything except corn on the cob and apples, unless they are sliced. Can you eat anything with your implants?
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Yes, I can eat anything. But, I could eat anything with my dentures. I ate steak. I ate corn right off the cob. I had ribs off the bone. Apples. You name it. Sure, those things were more challenging and I couldn't eat in the same manner in which I ate with my natural teeth (when they were at their best, of course) but I ate! I gained weight when I got my dentures because I could finally EAT. I used to think I had amazing metabolism lol. Who was I kidding? I was starving! When I got my dentures I could finally eat a normal diet. I think the most challenging things for me to eat were thick subs and things of that nature. I took smaller, more controlled bites of those sorts of things. But there wasn't a thing that my husband could eat that I couldn't eat.

Wait. Caramel. That was a no-go lol. I mean, glued in it was maybe doable but not worth the effort lol.

I actually ate better with the dentures in a sense because I knew I wasn't going to break a tooth off. With the implants, I guess since I know they are in there, it sort of feels like teeth. So I guess I remember eating with my natural teeth and so I am more cautious with the implants. It's a subconscious thing, I don't voluntarily do this. But as far as stability goes, these things are *in there*. They're great. And it is nice knowing that there's no chance of them popping up or anything. My bite force is amazing when I actually try to bite with them.
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Thanks for your response Kristi Lind im going through the same dental office you went through they seem to be great im just ready to heal and get over this bone exposure crap it is no fun at all I have to be their at noon to get the bones cut and grind down I hope it isn't really going to be to horribly painful and I hope it does not take that much time to heal and I also worry about my bottom plate going in right after all this is done well I'll keep you all posted and updated on my progress and how things went for me.
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Thanks for your response Kristi Lind im going through the same dental office you went through they seem to be great im just ready to heal and get over this bone exposure crap it is no fun at all I have to be their at noon to get the bones cut and grind down I hope it isn't really going to be to horribly painful and I hope it does not take that much time to heal and I also worry about my bottom plate going in right after all this is done well I'll keep you all posted and updated on my progress and how things went for me.
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Hey, are you referring to Dr. Davis here in Jacksonville? Good luck today!
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Twitches ~ hey there, how are you doing? Well, we are at the 5 week mark in 3 days! I know that you had some bone issues that I didn't. How are you doing now? Are you able to use your lower denture at all?

I am doing much better. When using Fixodent, I can eat alot "harder" foods, I just have to eat small bites. I can even chew steak, tender steak, in SMALL bites. I think that is the key. Like with pizza ~ I cut it with a fork and knife, in small bites, and I can chew it fine. I want to try the Fixodent powder soon. But, for now, the Fixodent Food Seal is doing great!! I think it works, for me, better than the Poligrip, My husband likes the Poligrip, but he only has an upper denture.

There is a huge difference in upper and lower!! Anyway, Twitches ~ if you read this, let me know how you are doing. And to anyone reading this, it does get better ~ hang in there!
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Yes, thanks Kristi, I've learned more from your videos than anywhere else. Good Luck today Twitches:)
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Glad they could help!
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I agree!! Thanks so much!! Hope everythig goes well for you Twitches ~ let us know.
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Thanks Tammy, jayelle and kristi for all the response and thoughts and Kristi I didn't get to see the dentist ur talking about I have Dr.Peter's and I went yesterday and they didn't do anything yet he wants it to heal some more before he decides what's next so I still have the exposed bone but I'm going to deal with it the best I can thanks to all yalls support through all this I really appreciate everything that y'all post and all your thoughts thanks guys for everything!!!! GETTING THROUGH THIS WITH THE HELP OF MY NEWLY FOUND FRIEND'S!!!! :-)
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Sounds like you have a great dentist, that healing part is so important. I know some folks seem to get everything done so fast but in my case the entire process is about a year. My dentist only does new things when the previous is healed. Hang in there Twitches, it will all be good.
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Twitches you are so welcome ~ I obviously don't know much about exposed bones after extractions ~ from what I have read, it is an issue that can be rectified with time. Hang in there and best of luck. Remember we are all here for you!!
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Thank you everyone, and yes bill I do have a good dentist and he says wait on the bottom to heal some more so that's what I'm doing I just really wish it could go just a little bit quicker the bone that is exposed is bothering me but he seems to think if I give it some more time than maybe it will come out on its own or my gums will grow back over it so we will see.
Tammy thanks sweetie for everything you have been a big help to me during this time, I'm glad I have had all you guys to talk to I have really made some great friends through all this, how are things going with you, im still healing but im feeling somewhat better than I was thank god!!!

Jayelle thanks for all your support as well and I hope when the time comes for you to have your procedure done I hope everything goes well for you as well and you will have as much support from all of us here as we have had, y'all have been a real blessing to me through all my healing.

Thanks again all my newly found friend's!!!
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Twitches ~ good morning, nice to hear from you. So how are you doing with the tops? Adhesive? Are you able to eat anything of substance? Have a great day sweetie and remember ~ This Too Shall Pass
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Hi Tammy, I'm doing good with my top ones their needing an adjustment done so for the time being I've had to use adhesive, im using fixodent food seal its been working well for me and yea I've been able to eat as long as what I'm eating isn't really hard and it takes me a little bit longer than before but im adjusting for the most part.my email is justme0307.ch@gmail.com if u want to ever talk about anything or just vent on life itself lol but I really enjoy and am grateful for all the support and prayers you send my way, thanks Tammy for being a really good friend and support group for each other!!! :-D
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Hi Twitches ~ sorry it took me so long to respond, I did a bunch of housework I had been putting off and when my hubby got home, we went to the grocery and picked up some dinner ~ chili spaghetti ~ tasted really good!! I started eating it with both tops and bottoms ~ after a few bites, my bottoms got really loose and I had to take them out to finish eating. I guess I could have taken them out and applied more adhesive and tried again. But, this late in the day, I didn't want to have to deal with that.

Maybe after another reline I will be able to eat a meal with my bottoms in ~ maybe not. Either way, it will be ok. I definitely look alot better than before if nothing else! I am a little disappointed with my bottoms, but I am not giving up yet!!

By the way, I have tried both Fixodent and Poligrip. Honestly, I think the Poligrip creme adhesive works better for me. But I am going to try the Fixodent food seal that you are using. I also want to try the Fixodent Powder, maybe it will help my bottoms stay in better when I eat.

Thanks for your email address, I will put it in my address book and mine is: tmoore3845@aol.com. Thanks again and Goodnite.
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I will look into this stabil dent process and see if it really works,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, tammy did you ever hear from the stabildent people.......
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Ask dentist to reline dentures. Dentist places a thin piece directly on dentures and you hold in place for few minutes, improving the fit.
My top set are fine. Bottoms the usual pain. Have tried all choices with no difference.
Some stick to the roof of mouth better than dentures.
Was hoping to live long enough to justify the costs NOW hoping to live long enough to get the dang dentures to stay.
Will say have seen improvement over time.
Hang in there!!!
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I'd like to share a little of my adventure with you. I don't know if it will help but....
I had 7 bottom teeth left. I lost the last of my uppers 6 years ago. I wanted to make it my 50th birthday before i had to wear dentures. And I did - plus 4 months.

I really didn't have too much trouble with the uppers other than they flopped when I chewed because I only had my front bottom teeth, but it wasn't bad. But then 6 months later I lost one of the bottom teeth and everything changed. It was very difficult to eat without them flopping. Creams were too thick, seabond was okay but didn't hold and felt like I had paper in my mouth. Yuk. The powder worked the beast because it was very thin. But it went away quickly. So, I never used adhesive on the top and learned to adjust. I have a very small mouth. They call my denture "cute" at the dentist office. Yeah right.

In January I lost my seven remaining bottom teeth. It hasn't been easy adjusting but I have no choice in the matter. The denture looks far better then what I had. I had two months to prepare for the event and in my mind I was ready even though I almost backed out the week before. I spend a lot of time on the phone at work and was afraid of how I would sound.

Day 1 - 9 am had the teeth pulled. But the oral surgeon couldn't get the denture in. So off I go to the dentist with my teeth in a bag. That really made my day. Fortunately the bottom isn't as obvious as the top. He got them in right away without any adjustment. I had very little pain. As soon as I got home I took a nap. I was emotionally drained. And when I woke up I began step one of my new life. I had to talk without sounding any different. I talked and talked all day about nothing . Practicing the difficult words over and over and over again

Day 2 back to the dentist to check for rubbing and sore spots. Not one. He was amazed. Again I practiced talking all day. It was Friday and no one was home. Baked potato, Yogurt, applesauce and V-8 were my meals. I couldn't believe my life had been reduced to this. I honestly didn't know how long I could live this way.

Day 4 back to the dentist, now Monday morning. Still looked great. So off to work I went. And no one knew any different. After 7 days I went out to eat. Macaroni was a huge step. Bread, not yet. It wasn't until well into the 2nd week I could manage small pieces of bread. I'll tell you, bread is one of my favorite foods. It was discouraging but I was determined I would overcome. Of course in the beginning I couldn't really use adhesive because of the stitches.

Fast forward to the one month point. I was able to chew very small pieces of chicken. I actually shredded them I guess. And then I conquered small pieces of pizza, cut with a knife and eaten with a fork. I was able to use adhesive at this point as the gums were healed pretty well.

I tried seabond on the bottom but the same paper taste. I tried the powder but it wasn't enough to hold when I chewed. So I tried the Polident and seemed to like that the best. I had a soft relign after a month so I need to be gentle with that.

Now two months later - today as a matter of fact - I tried sirloin tips. First I head to the bathroom to wash up, and then add my adhesive. Fixodent works sometimes and sometimes the polident is better. I just keep switching. But one thing I found is I use the adhesive on the back part of the denture and the powder on the front teeth.

I had to learn to chew all over again. I have more teeth now in my mouth (remember I have a very small mouth) than I've had since I was 18. But I think the most important think besides a little adhesive is to practice chewing. Practice. Just like I did when I learned to talk correctly. I started with the potato as it was a little chunky but soft jello. then bread. Then shredded chicken. Working my way to pizza - only the soft portion. I am able to eat sandwich meat now and finally after two months the sirloin tips. But everything is cut small.

Don't give up. Practice. It's easy to take those bottoms out to eat something that's for sure. But you will never learn to use them if you do. I kept taking them out and then realized I could never learn to use them if I didn't use them. Think positive.

My tops don't flop anymore because they are actually hitting bottom teeth, which is a plus. My smile looks SO much better. But practice.

I'll never be able to have implants, sadly, because I have had so much bone loss over the years. I have very little for the denture to grab a hold of. I know some day I may not even be able to wear them. But right now I feel I have conquered them. yes I have to put adhesive on before each meal. But if that is the worst thing that can happen then I'm a winner My husband and I went out to eat one day and they served popcorn before the meal. He asked why I wasn't eating any. I said I couldn't chew it, yet. Now I can. One piece slowly at a time.

Good luck to everyone who is fighting this battle. You can win it. But YOU have to fight to win it. As we all know life isn't easy. I look at this as a little set back.
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I have to ask you if you hurt, wounded, or bruised your bottom gums during practicing to chew? Because I have made many attempts at chewing with my bottoms in. I can't even consume ice cream, applesauce or oatmeal without my bottom dentures lifting. I find your accomplishment and determination admiral, however I question myself more so now. I am assuming that maybe my mouths structure could possibly be a one in a million that just is never going to work properly with full upper and bottom dentures. I really enjoyed your story, though. My husband kept asking why I was laughing so hard. I said "denture story" and that was all I needed to say. He knows only those of us with dentures can truly understand each other.
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Oh yes I had many slips during practice. I got a little orajel and used that on the sore spots when I "slipped" and it actually acted as an adhesive in that area. Still used the adhesive on the rest. It's a killer when something goes under the denture when you bite down! A nice glass of water usually swishes it out, carefully so you don't disturb the adhesive. I decide most food will dissolve anyway that gets caught so a few sips and it will slide out. Except meat.

Remember less adhesive is actually more. I was putting way too much on in the beginning and it wasn't working and I got very frustrated. Then I used just a little and it worked great. Don't open your mouth wide as you chew. I still can't really bite into things well, but I'm practicing that now with just plain bread.

I'll also say that I have quite an array of "glue" for my teeth. Some days one works better than others. But I find between a very small amount of seabond and the adhesive or the powder and adhesive are the best combos. It is a challenge that is for sure. Just remember to keep the bites small. Small. that is that is the key. And go light on the adhesive. Good luck!
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Absolutely!! Less is more when it comes to adhesive. I have had my full dentures for a little over 2 months now. I just had another reline last week and it helped alot. I use a little adhesive on the top and a little more on the bottom. I plan on trying the powder again soon. Before the last reline, I had to use Cushion Gri[ and Fixodent on my bottom. Now, the Fixodent works just fine.

And, like cjs said, small bites work best. I haven't tried popcorn yet, worried the little pieces and kernels will get stuck underneath. It has definitely got better with each day. I have come so far ~ and am able to eat a lot more now. Practice makes it easier. Good luck to everyone!!
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How soon can i start useing fixodient on my bottom dentures got them on march 20th thanks