Removed Pallet from Upper Denture

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Got dentures but they insisted on giving me an upper pallet, blocking tongue from roof of mouth.  I bought a Dremel Tool and used the plastic cutter with a little olive oil to cut out the center pallet.  I used a Dremel sanding drum to smooth edges.  I had no Dremel experience whatsoever but it was a breeze; no problems.  I did have to rig a little jig, to hold the denture. So far works great with Fixodent Plus.
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Thtat sounds interesting but how do your teeth stay in especially when you eat?
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Starla Harmon Ryer

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adhesive - if I did not remove that I gag...so I cannot eat regardless unless I removed it
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Debi Hilley

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Mine stay in except for eating.
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Patricia Meyer

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Hi Deb, are you now saying your upper horse shoe wont stay in so you can eat?? I thought you were able to eat with it in ??
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The Fixodent plus locks in my uppers, rock solid.  I'm not sure that would apply to everyone, and denture professionals always say that implants are needed if you remove the pallet.  But I don't have implants and it still seems to work perfectly.

I had courage to cut out the pallet because when I had it, I could barely get my dentures out even after many hours; the Fixodent plus had them locked in so very well.
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I started my at 9:30 pm it is now almost 3am.a little more tweaking and buff them up and im done.i just tried on and am very very happy so far with results.im. lookking forward to smiling again and eating without gagging or interference with my taste.it takes time to learn to eat almost but not nearly as aweful probally like someone with a prostetic arm or leg.after a while they become part of you.ive been without teeth for 6 months and really glad i found this site.happy smiling everyone and bon apetite!
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can you post pics of your upper denture now from different angles please
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Starla Harmon Ryer

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this forum will not allow photos larger then what my camera will take - so sorry, no I cannot
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Starla can you email me at trishy219@yahoo.com I have had nothing in my mouth for 5 months Im so desperate for help. I would love to see your denture please
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You can find some of these people in the fb group Do Your Own Dentures
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Jeanne Roushey

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Could you take a picture of denture?
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I have not removed it completely but cut it down far enough to keep me from gagging and to be able to touch the roof of my mouth and taste. I need to work on it a bit because it is too thick.  This is just a temp set so I feel at liberty to work with them....I have actually removed 1/4 of the upper pallet and this seems to have done the job for me. Now I need to work on the 1/8" thickness that it has created. I cannot upload a photo because it says my image is too large but you can message me on my FB page and I can send you one that way. Starla Harmon Ryer
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I posted here at the bottom of this page about 5 months ago. I still do not regret cutting out the top denture. As for pictures I think the ones on this page represent the norm. I just used a marker to show about a 1" U leaving a lot of the sides. Used the dremmel disk to lightly etch the line and then cutting down slowly so as not to chip or slip. If you can handle an electric screw driver then there should be no problem. There are other tool ends for finishing the process of smoothing and rounding. I have experience with a dremmel but have never had a learning problem other than trying to do a precise job too fast. I would give it about a half hour. I think about half my tongue in the front contacts the denture. That is really no problem. It is a good thing to cut as little as you need while leaving all the sides and some of the top for extra support. I have temp dentures and have no thoughts of moving on to any others but I did get expensive temps and they are stronger and look good.

I have no regrets at all. You still need to keep up with relining as you go because no amount of glue will keep a loose denture in place for long and your bone structure may not be as even or level as it should be (you chew on one side and the other pops down). Before you attempt this you should be sure to have about as much upper bone as you do lower. If you do not have anything much to grab onto up there then you may need that pallet to help hold. I have fairly good bone all around though a bit uneven on top. After these 5 months I can eat pretty much anything and the dentures are like normal teeth and I can taste things again.
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Could you take a picture of denture?
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Jeanne Roushey

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Could you take a picture of denture?
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I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE TOOL YOU USED I WANNA DO MINE ALSO
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Yes, I'll try to take a picture of the denture and some others of the tools.  I have to make an adjustment to the denture first; one edge is a bit hard on my tongue; it works okay but there could be long-term tongue irritation problems.  Hope to post pictures in a few days, maybe sooner.

(About what denture professionals would say about this:) There are many examples of professions and vocations developing blind spots.  One example: Decades ago physicians would bleed their patients to help cure them; now we know that was wrong.  I believe there are many cases where upper dentures would fix well without the pallet, because of improved adhesives and maybe other factors.  But I think denture professionals are blind to that possibility.  Not criticizing them, just trying to understand.

The tool is a Dremel 4000 but other rotary tool models would likely work too.  The cutting was done with the little cutoff wheel that is marked "Plastic."  A little drum with probably a 60 grit sandpaper was used to smooth things.  NOTE THAT IF YOU HAVE PREPAID ADJUSTMENTS COMING, AS WITH AFFORDABLE DENTURES' plans, this cutting might be seen by them as invalidating their obligation.  I'll also try to send pictures of the jig that I rigged to hold the denture in place during cutting.
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I don't see whyyy it wouldn't..... I didn't get a softliner the dayyy I got myy palate cut because apparantlyyy I alreadyyy got 2 and I am onlyy aloowed one more before I have to payyy for them but......sure ...it should work. I am loving myyy palate cut. It's sooooooo much better for eating and there's no more gagging on too much plastic. I'm not rushing to take them out after work. I LOVE IT!!
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that service is not cheap either
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I told my dentist about this my dentures give me such a bad headache I can only wear them for 2 hours she is researching this for me can you show pics of your denture, do you still wear the horseshoe one??
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They actually make upper dentures without the palate......they are called Horseshoe Dentures
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I just got my new upper denture a couple hours ago. I am so angry because they are gagging and I cant even speak with them. I want my denture center to cut them back but they say the cant until later. I'm very happy to know some of you all have successfully made adjustments! I will find out how I can get this done. Thank you
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It would be my luck I would cut them wrong and break them
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I fixed the tongue thing and have a camera coming to take pictures (believe it or not, I have no cell phone).  Will post pics soon.  The cutting job was a little tricky and I did have to proceed carefully. 

INSTEAD OF YOURSELF, maybe someone in your circle of friends knows a model rail hobbyist; they are often handy with rotary tools.  Woodworkers and other kinds of hobbyists are also sometimes handy with rotary tools.  I had no experience with rotary tools but I was able to achieve success.  But then too I have always been kind of a general handyman.

I am thinking to contact denture providers with these two suggestions:  (1) Tell patients, "Bring in your palleted upper and we'll make a non-palleted copy for $X; then you take both home and see what works best.  (2) Provide new patients will an option to take home two uppers, one palleted and one not, for an extra charge.
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A question: what is the advantage of cutting denture?
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I removed the center pallet area from my brand new upper denture.  I found it was intolerable.  Now, without the center pallet area, my upper dentures hold fast (with fixodent plus).  My entire mouth is better without the central pallet area of the upper denture.
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I use dremels everyday in my job. I used my immediate denture to practice on. Then. My acrylic my dentist made that I despised...i made it into a horseshoe as well and it's fabulous. I polished the edges and used a diamond wheel to make it.
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Wow!!! That is sooooo great for youuu!! I am going back to the dentist on Tuesdayyy of next week. I prayyy she does that for me!! I can't stand this plastic either. I'm doing wayyy better with them except for the bottoms alwayyys come loose when eating. I feel like I use a shit-ton of adhesive. The tops are alwayys good but the bottoms always come loose. I'm happyyy for youu Debi.....please pray that Tuesday's visit has me leaving a VERY HAPPY GIRL!!
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Did you try a soft liner like densurefit? I'm anxious to find out. I want to remove the palate ,but wondering whether trying a soft liner would still work to hold the denture in place. I hate the adhesives , so disgusting. I'm hoping someone may have the answer I'm looking for.
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I hate the top palate. I’ve had dentures going on 3 years and I still til this day gag. It’s bothersome and sometimes the glue oozes out and I have a hard time removing it. So gonna try this out on my temps. I have them stored in my freezer
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Try the powder fixodent that's what I use it's much better
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This is a no-login free link to the pictures, in a .pdf file on Google Docs.  A down-arrow icon at upper right can be used to download the .pdf to your hard drive.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0P-9kr85GKNSnlzdFctS0RmakU
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So you have no trouble with them coming loose when you eat? I want to do this but I'm scared too. I am having such a horrible time trying to get used to wearing this top denture. I just don't think I will ever get used to having all this plastic in my mouth.
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Fixadent has a powder adhesive and it works way better then the adhesive from a tube, and it doesn't have a nasty taste, I bought it by accident but now that's all I use.
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Awesome. I am still experimenting with what works best for me. I still gotta tryyy the strips and now I want to tryyy the powder.
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I've had my dentures for 4 years and still have not gotten used to the plastic covering the roof of my mouth...I hate them.
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I use secure denture adhesive. Works great for my top and used to work great on my bottoms but not too much anymore
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the seabond strips are pretty good if you dont like the paste, I am having my palate cut out next week, the headaches from the top denture are killing me. I am going to have a soft reline at the same time as well
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I agree with Deb Dennis.  I would remove the post and pictures so others won't try it.  
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I have a horseshoe upper as do many others. Been wearing it for months. Love love love it. I can eat anything. Literally. Anything, except corn on the cobb. Today I was eating starbursts. Yesterday robin's egg candy . No popping. No slipping.
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I had sore throats, constat trouble swallowing and other issues with a full palate. I use poli grip powder adhesive. Its amazing the difference.
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I didn’t know they could be made that way.
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Debi Hilley

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They can, but not everyone's mouth can accomodate them. Mine has a super high palate, so this fits perfectly.
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Horsehoe uppers are actually very common overseas and with some old school dentists. If you have an extreme arch or extreme gag reflex this style is preferred. Wont work for everyone perhaps but tgey DO work.
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Debi, thank you very much. When I read his initial post I was "hot to try it", let's face it, the thick pallet is awful- then I read on and realized that the other person had been exaggerating his success.. .
You have given me new hope as well! And thank you for the pictures...
How much adhesive do you need to use for that to work? Does the powder cover the whole surface? I read that The cream isn't supposed to be good to use too much (was it zinc?)
Now if I could only get the holes to my sinus fixed I could go back to worrying about the pallet....
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Mary,
My dentist said it was ok to use a small amount of adhesive while I still had stitches. Just a small pea sized bit at the top of the denture-pallet - it made a lot of difference for me while my upper was healing.
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I wet the denture, lightly coat with powder, wet my mouth and insert. I have to redo it sometimes mid afternoon. I can handle that. I can literally eat anything. I think sometimes too much palate is taken out and that can be an issue, but if you notice, the front is wider than the sides. That sits in my mouth nicely. This is not an uncommon demture style in other countries. With my palatial tory, small mouth and denture.. well. If it wasn't for the horsehoe Id be withoit dentures.
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This sounds great , I am only on my 10th day and cant stand the pain but even worse the last couple days Ive been gaging while wearing them and i cant eat anything with them . I am going to the lab tomorro for an adjustment and I will ask about this for sure .... thanks for the info :) 
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I love the powder as well. I would rather reapply then deal with the paste.
When I tried the paste I was only able to place a small amount on the top pallet only because my extraction sites were still healing. It locked down the denture right in the middle but it would rock if I tried to eat and then the damn thing was stuck forever and it took all day to get it out to make it feel more comfortable plus I always had a sore throat from it.
I actually found a video that shows a way to use the paste and make it more secure. You can search Funk dentures on YouTube. I was seriously impressed and had not seen that process before and I’ve heard it’s quite successful. I am just happy with my powder and the process I’ve been using for the last week makes it even better.
After I wet the denture and apply the powder. I shake off the excess into a little Tupperware bowl. Then spray on top of powder already applied and sprinkle more. I repeat this process a few times and then swish with water before I place the denture in. It seems to be a nice slow build up of product and will last most of the day now.
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Deb Dennis......I actuallyyy tried some adhesive this weekend when I was out with friends. I was happyyy. I chose what I ate carefullyyy but it was good with what I ate.  My dentist said that she will give me the horseshoe denture in a few weeks - I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!
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Well. I've been wearing mine for months now. I would not go back to full palate. Yes I need adhesive but I can eat ANYTHING I want to.
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I use poligrip powder. And there's enough palate to give you suction to talk and drink, just not eat.
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Debi Hilley

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Been in 24 hours using poligrip.
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Does the powder remain in you mouth when you remove your denture ?
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Hi Deb H...., I am getting a complete upper and partial lower,.they wanted to yank all the lowers out so I got a second opinion and they are doing the partial lower which is what I wanted to begin with but they are predominantly on one side,..I dont know how this is all going to end up but will see,..I only have 4 more to be pulled top at this point and have been walking around like this for over a year since all the others were pulled hoping the healing time to be less since for the immediate uppers nyway thats my story,..I also have a high palate,..
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I think it's great that you found something to work for you <3 I would however not be so quick to suggest it to others because if it doesn't and they ruin the denture or damage it extensively it will probably no longer be covered under any warranty or may not even be able to be fixed leaving them needing a whole new denture entirely. Not everyones mouth will be able to accomodate it. Small adjustments like if there's a small bump pushing in causing pain when you can't get into see the dentist with a dremel or very fine sand paper is completely different than actually attempting to change the shape of your denture. While most say they won't do the horseshoe because you lose suction. There are still some that would be willing to do it for you as long as they make sure you are aware of the risks and the new issues it may bring. I imagine they'd have you sign something stating that you are aware of everything and giving up the right to have them make a new denture at no cost if for some reason you find it indeed does not work for you. I agree you don't necessarily need implants though. I have an extremely severe gag reflex. There are even certain textures of foods I can't eat because it triggers it. I honestly couldn't even put my denture in my mouth without violently throwing up. I thought my only option was going to be either just going toothless or somehow figuring out how to pay for implants and neither of those choices were viable. So I asked my denturist if horseshoeing was an option. He too was worried about the suction capabilities being lost. I was dead set that there was absolutely no other option than to have sofmething without a pallet but shockingly the gagging wasn't happening because the pallet was the issue. I was gagging because I was literally choking on my own tongue. It needed to be tweaked on the bottom to give my tongue more room to talk and eat. He also did smoothe out the back so my tongue was less likely to feel it as I kept feeling it on the back of the tongue. I guess I hold my tongue in a weird way. My point is, yes it may feel like you have no other options. And that may very well be true, maybe that is the only way that will work. But I gotta tell ya, I wish I had thought of this all sooner. I haven't had a single issue with gagging since from my dentures. I have suction on the bottom holding it so tightly you'd swear there were implants underneath them holding them secure. Please try other options before you go to this solution. I say this as someone that wishes someone had said the same to me so I could have been less focused on gagging and more focussed on coming up with a solution to make it stop. I know I couldn't afford another set if something happened, and some people can't wear adhesives. Some people don't know they can't use adhesives. It would be devastating to find out after you've done this and then be stuck with something you can't use without the means to buy something to replace them. I'm not telling people not to do this, I'm just saying look into what your options truly are, it may not even be what you think is wrong which is why you haven't found a solution yet. Ask questions, Be proactive and fight for your own health and well being, not only just for the issues that need corrected right now but the future as well. I see so many people on youtube doing major adjustments on their own and the problem is that people watch these and assume that this is so easy to do on their own, or that this works for everyone. No two mouths are the same. If you are really deadset on the idea by all means. Speak to your dentist and see what he can do. Or even check out Jo's dentures, they do horseshoe uppers by request I believe and it's a whole lot cheaper than throwing thousands of dollars out the window because you thought you could do it on your own and regardless there is no guarantee that if you do it will be successful, just my two cents, take it for what it's worth. 
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I agree.  A good dentist will explore all options and explain the ups and downs before putting your denture at risk. Anything  you do yourself (including having someone else alter it) will void any warranty.  
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I had my lower teeth pulled a year ago and went through the whole works like everyone does. I did my own relines which I got from the local supermarket and they last a few months. I also use adhesive (polligrip) and I am used to the taste plus I don't use all that much. If you are careful to use just a little and use your finger to cover all the areas instead of just squirting out lines as they show you I find it holds much better and doesn't squirt out the edges for you to eat. I will be trying one of the newer non petroleum or whatever types that are not supposed to disolve the first time you drink something. I should also say that I have fairly good bone structure and do not require new bone.

Now this year I had the uppers pulled and after two weeks I still could not eat, barely could talk and actually would start to gag after an hour. It hurt to eat and the pain was half because of the pallet pushing on the roof of my mouth. Yes I did go in and have them cut it a bit because at first I could not wear it at all without gagging.

Now after reading this list I decided to cut the pallet out with a dremmel. I am fully aware that I could lose strength and support. I know that the pallet section gives suction though it did not help me much at two weeks as the swelling was down a lot and I can see a reline coming soon. I decided that if I destroyed the thing I would just cough up the extra cash for a new one cause anything is better than nothing. I just cannot do the pallet cover.

I know how to use one but they are really easy to use anyway. I cut only the middle inch and did not go all the way to the front. I took example from the picture someone posted here. It didn't look like much but in your mouth everything tiny seems huge. Anyway, it worked fine for me. I can eat and talk and all pain is gone. For the moment I have better suction than I did before but as I said I use glue and I did so before trying to eat and it was as solid as the bottom. I know they will not come out tonight.

I realize this may not be for everyone. I realize that I will likely always use glue and may even need to use it more often. I also realize that my mouth is now comfortable, no pain and I can talk normal aside from an annoying whistle on my Sss. Doing relines is a pain but soon I will do a hard reline and it will be easier. In the end a little maint on my part is a small price to pay for a full set of teeth. I may also cut a little bit more out but time will tell.

I will leave you with some possible good advice. I got my dentures from a reputable place that specializes in them for $1500 each. I could have got them for $800 each through my plan but wasn't sure of the quality. Probably there are much cheaper out there. What I did NOT do was let them pull my teeth. I got a "dental plan" off the net (just do a search) and pay $15 a month for a list of a hundred or so dentists in my area that use this discount plan. Regular pulls were $80 and surgical were $110. That was half of what it costs anywhere else here in Alaska. So I could have saved more on dentures I suppose but I saved about $2000 in extractions. $6000 roughly for all.

Still, by all means discuss this with your dentist as there may be some that will help you and I know money is tight for most people. I have always been a diy kind of guy and am willing to take the risk instead of arguing with the dentist and going in multiple times as they cut off a centimeter. I also have a healthy credit card.
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Thank you. It is very comforting knowing I'm not the only one who has difficulty with the full pallet. I get discouraged when the denture techs keep saying you have to get used to it. I cannot, as I gag, cant speak or eat. I will definitely be pushy to get adjustments I need.
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Donna,

I hate to give you bad news but I've had my dentures for 4 years and still can't speak right.  I would love to know what to do but my dentist just doesn't understand.  He's very nice but not sure he gets what is going on in my mouth.  I would love to just correctly again.  It's so embarrasing!!!  Any suggestions out there???
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Mary Wendling any update on your horse shoe denture journey???