Removed Pallet from Upper Denture

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Got dentures but they insisted on giving me an upper pallet, blocking tongue from roof of mouth.  I bought a Dremel Tool and used the plastic cutter with a little olive oil to cut out the center pallet.  I used a Dremel sanding drum to smooth edges.  I had no Dremel experience whatsoever but it was a breeze; no problems.  I did have to rig a little jig, to hold the denture. So far works great with Fixodent Plus.
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Thtat sounds interesting but how do your teeth stay in especially when you eat?
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My top teeth are gone. Can I get partial plate without that bulky pallet, and shape it in a horseshoe. Use fixodent to hold in.
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Would like to get dentures on top, but shaped like a horseshoe and use fixodent
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Need top dentures without the big pallet in mouth, and shaped into horseshoe without that faulty pallet. What would it cost for dentures, and forget the pallet, something like partial
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For all those interested in horseshoe denture check out Denture Store, Russell Klein on Etsy. I found this out on Utube and everyone seems to love the dentures and a great price also. 
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I ended up getting my current dentures from him and WOW! What a difference and I love them....I will NEVER go back to conventional dentures from a dentist EVER again...I ordered Ultra Thins with the horseshoe pallet and it cost me about 1300.0 for upper and lower
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The Fixodent plus locks in my uppers, rock solid.  I'm not sure that would apply to everyone, and denture professionals always say that implants are needed if you remove the pallet.  But I don't have implants and it still seems to work perfectly.

I had courage to cut out the pallet because when I had it, I could barely get my dentures out even after many hours; the Fixodent plus had them locked in so very well.
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Implants leave bacteria go into your body because the human tissue does not seal around the post. You have an idea here. the dentists would not want people to know what they do not need. 
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good news
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I have to have a full upper and i asked my dentist for a horseshoe all they said i would not work but after doing some research i found out to duse work watch this im going to show my dentest this video and if the still dont make me a set i will DIY it my self https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq-rNh5GnTIWEYETBn4xGdw
when you get on her page look out for this  DenSureFit on Horseshoe Upper Denture
 
she uses some thing called Densurefit have a look at her video and see 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbC5MbAKYBs&t=666s  Starting at about 13:03  Donna has some good info along with usually more chatty stuff that I don't need. You can also find more info on getting rid of the gag factor in the Fb group Do Your Own Dentures.
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I would say it is good to let the dentist make the denture first as he will. Then when all else is a fit you might consider the horse shoe deal. Make sure they stop the upper at the end of the hard palate. When it i over the soft pallet that is the gag factor.
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Could you take a picture of denture?
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I posted here at the bottom of this page about 5 months ago. I still do not regret cutting out the top denture. As for pictures I think the ones on this page represent the norm. I just used a marker to show about a 1" U leaving a lot of the sides. Used the dremmel disk to lightly etch the line and then cutting down slowly so as not to chip or slip. If you can handle an electric screw driver then there should be no problem. There are other tool ends for finishing the process of smoothing and rounding. I have experience with a dremmel but have never had a learning problem other than trying to do a precise job too fast. I would give it about a half hour. I think about half my tongue in the front contacts the denture. That is really no problem. It is a good thing to cut as little as you need while leaving all the sides and some of the top for extra support. I have temp dentures and have no thoughts of moving on to any others but I did get expensive temps and they are stronger and look good.

I have no regrets at all. You still need to keep up with relining as you go because no amount of glue will keep a loose denture in place for long and your bone structure may not be as even or level as it should be (you chew on one side and the other pops down). Before you attempt this you should be sure to have about as much upper bone as you do lower. If you do not have anything much to grab onto up there then you may need that pallet to help hold. I have fairly good bone all around though a bit uneven on top. After these 5 months I can eat pretty much anything and the dentures are like normal teeth and I can taste things again.
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I'm constantly gagging....especially when I talk or when I'm thirsty. And it's so thick there's not enough room for my tongue to move to pronounce words properly, much less food...I sound like I have a lisp or speech Impediment. Guess I'll be digging out the Dremel too.
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Call your dentist he/she can trim the palate back a little bit to stop that from happening . If you do it yourself and remove to much you will lose the suction.
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If you join the Facebook group, Do your own dentures you might pick up more ideas on this . 
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Hanelakai's Mama

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If I join FB group, (denture communities) does my FB family and friends see what group I joined?
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Could you take a picture of denture?
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Jeanne Roushey

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Could you take a picture of denture?
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I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE TOOL YOU USED I WANNA DO MINE ALSO
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Yes, I'll try to take a picture of the denture and some others of the tools.  I have to make an adjustment to the denture first; one edge is a bit hard on my tongue; it works okay but there could be long-term tongue irritation problems.  Hope to post pictures in a few days, maybe sooner.

(About what denture professionals would say about this:) There are many examples of professions and vocations developing blind spots.  One example: Decades ago physicians would bleed their patients to help cure them; now we know that was wrong.  I believe there are many cases where upper dentures would fix well without the pallet, because of improved adhesives and maybe other factors.  But I think denture professionals are blind to that possibility.  Not criticizing them, just trying to understand.

The tool is a Dremel 4000 but other rotary tool models would likely work too.  The cutting was done with the little cutoff wheel that is marked "Plastic."  A little drum with probably a 60 grit sandpaper was used to smooth things.  NOTE THAT IF YOU HAVE PREPAID ADJUSTMENTS COMING, AS WITH AFFORDABLE DENTURES' plans, this cutting might be seen by them as invalidating their obligation.  I'll also try to send pictures of the jig that I rigged to hold the denture in place during cutting.
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that service is not cheap either
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I told my dentist about this my dentures give me such a bad headache I can only wear them for 2 hours she is researching this for me can you show pics of your denture, do you still wear the horseshoe one??
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They actually make upper dentures without the palate......they are called Horseshoe Dentures
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I just got my new upper denture a couple hours ago. I am so angry because they are gagging and I cant even speak with them. I want my denture center to cut them back but they say the cant until later. I'm very happy to know some of you all have successfully made adjustments! I will find out how I can get this done. Thank you
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No one can understand what i am saying and i tend not to wear my upper denture.
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It would be my luck I would cut them wrong and break them
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I fixed the tongue thing and have a camera coming to take pictures (believe it or not, I have no cell phone).  Will post pics soon.  The cutting job was a little tricky and I did have to proceed carefully. 

INSTEAD OF YOURSELF, maybe someone in your circle of friends knows a model rail hobbyist; they are often handy with rotary tools.  Woodworkers and other kinds of hobbyists are also sometimes handy with rotary tools.  I had no experience with rotary tools but I was able to achieve success.  But then too I have always been kind of a general handyman.

I am thinking to contact denture providers with these two suggestions:  (1) Tell patients, "Bring in your palleted upper and we'll make a non-palleted copy for $X; then you take both home and see what works best.  (2) Provide new patients will an option to take home two uppers, one palleted and one not, for an extra charge.
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A question: what is the advantage of cutting denture?
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I removed the center pallet area from my brand new upper denture.  I found it was intolerable.  Now, without the center pallet area, my upper dentures hold fast (with fixodent plus).  My entire mouth is better without the central pallet area of the upper denture.
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I'm so sorry you're going through this. Have you taken it in for adjustments? I believe a lot of us had to go through with them sores but I went in 3 different times to have doc shave down that area which gave me sore spots. I'm not sure if I'd be able to live like that - sounds TOO painful. My husband of 20+ years had tons of advice and input in the beginning days of my dentures journey. He told me "your dentist don't know you the way I do, I've seen your face for over 20 years (regarding the change of my facial features but dentist says I still looked the same), I know your pain tolerance (regarding adjustments that my doc didn't want to do for me, he said I just need to -"get used to it") Next time you go to the dentist let me know in advance so I can take that day off and I'll go with you. I'll speak on your behalf!" My husband felt like the dentist wasn't listening to my pleads and concerns but if he came with me and spoke on my behalf, he'd be more willing to adjust my dentures for me - which he did with no problem! What I'm saying is - although your husband may (or may not) have 1st hand knowledge about dentures - trust his opinions bc more likely than not, he's right and you're dentist is wrong.
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You might want to join Do Your Own Dentures on Facebook for some ideas.
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i don't care HOW SMALL your mouth is-IF your dentist doesn't help you-it's because they don't know how-do some research and go someplace that can make you a denture that fits 'your mouth' and looks good-make sure you have a wax try-in-pick the size and color of teeth YOU want.  it makes me SICK-how many people are suffering physical and emotional pain because many professionals don't know what they're doing!  i pray you will get something good!  
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Took out the pallette of uppers but have problems still with mouth sticking out like a baboon.then there is the bottoms which push my jaw out.what a character I look like.it also seems they are way too thick.what a nightmare.daughters wedding coming up in August and either I go toothless or looking like something from s freak show.
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I took a dremmel to my original teeth...took a ton of bulk off, polished them up with a fingernail polisher - then went to Russel Klien in Etsy and got ultra thin dentures custom made by him for a fraction of the cost I paid to look like a monkey mouth - here I am at my last birthday dinner and no one can tell I have dentures - https://www.etsy.com/market/russell_klein_dentures

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This is a no-login free link to the pictures, in a .pdf file on Google Docs.  A down-arrow icon at upper right can be used to download the .pdf to your hard drive.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0P-9kr85GKNSnlzdFctS0RmakU
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I too DETEST my full palate (NOT spelled pallet, BTW). I've had it for 8 months and it's still horrible. I've lost about 50% of my ability to taste, it feels terribly uncomfortable to have that hunk of plastic stuck in my mouth and I take it out many times a day just to get away from the discomfort and the intrusive feeling I get from it.  When I remove it, it's always covered with thick, gooey spit that has built up on the surface. ICK! I've done a LOT of research on having the center part of the palate removed and everything points me in the direction of getting this done. I've told my prosthodontist I want him to do this procedure and he's very much against it. He says that (1) it will move around in my mouth and (2) food will build up underneath the palate and I'll have to take it out and clean it often throughout the day. But I already remove it a lot just to get some relief from wearing it. I think he's finally ready to give in to my request, though he doesn't really approve. He is an excellent dentist with a specialty in prosthodontics and has a great reputation. I'm confident that when he does remove the center part he will do a very good job and will make every effort to create a good and comfortable fit. He's very proud of his work and has over 40 years experience. He wants to keep the fine reputation he's built up and will do his very best to do so. I admire the people who have taken the DIY route but am too chicken to try it. I just CAN'T WAIT to get this big bulky thing out of my mouth and feel comfortable again! I'll write again after he does the work and give you people a thorough report on the results, both pro and con (if there are any cons). Should be a couple of months before everything's done and I've worn it for awhile).
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I took a dremmel to my original teeth...took a ton of bulk off, polished them up with a fingernail polisher - then went to Russel Klien in Etsy and got ultra thin dentures custom made by him for a fraction of the cost I paid to look like a monkey mouth - here I am at my last birthday dinner and no one can tell I have dentures - https://www.etsy.com/market/russell_klein_dentures
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So you have no trouble with them coming loose when you eat? I want to do this but I'm scared too. I am having such a horrible time trying to get used to wearing this top denture. I just don't think I will ever get used to having all this plastic in my mouth.
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the seabond strips are pretty good if you dont like the paste, I am having my palate cut out next week, the headaches from the top denture are killing me. I am going to have a soft reline at the same time as well
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I feel the same way. I cut the middle out of my denture as well. I'm just starting to wear it and so far it feels so much better. I actually wore it most of yesterday without feeling like I had a mouth full of hard plastic. We will see.
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Diane, are you still pleased with your horseshoe cut?
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Diane, are you still pleased with your horseshoe cut?
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Yes, I am. I had to go in for a little adjusting because one area of the denture was a bit too tight and it was hard to remove without some pain. He fixed it just fine and now I can put it in and take it out easily. I can taste my food much more and it fits fine and is really secure and doesn't slip around at all. I can eat most everything (with a few exceptions, like nuts or some chewy meat like steak) without pain. No regrets at all!
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I agree with Deb Dennis.  I would remove the post and pictures so others won't try it.  
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I have a horseshoe upper as do many others. Been wearing it for months. Love love love it. I can eat anything. Literally. Anything, except corn on the cobb. Today I was eating starbursts. Yesterday robin's egg candy . No popping. No slipping.
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I had sore throats, constat trouble swallowing and other issues with a full palate. I use poli grip powder adhesive. Its amazing the difference.
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I didn’t know they could be made that way.
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Debi Hilley

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They can, but not everyone's mouth can accomodate them. Mine has a super high palate, so this fits perfectly.
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How do you cut the palate off
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Sounds like my problem and I love the what you have done!
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Horsehoe uppers are actually very common overseas and with some old school dentists. If you have an extreme arch or extreme gag reflex this style is preferred. Wont work for everyone perhaps but tgey DO work.
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I wet the denture, lightly coat with powder, wet my mouth and insert. I have to redo it sometimes mid afternoon. I can handle that. I can literally eat anything. I think sometimes too much palate is taken out and that can be an issue, but if you notice, the front is wider than the sides. That sits in my mouth nicely. This is not an uncommon demture style in other countries. With my palatial tory, small mouth and denture.. well. If it wasn't for the horsehoe Id be withoit dentures.
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This sounds great , I am only on my 10th day and cant stand the pain but even worse the last couple days Ive been gaging while wearing them and i cant eat anything with them . I am going to the lab tomorro for an adjustment and I will ask about this for sure .... thanks for the info :) 
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I love the powder as well. I would rather reapply then deal with the paste.
When I tried the paste I was only able to place a small amount on the top pallet only because my extraction sites were still healing. It locked down the denture right in the middle but it would rock if I tried to eat and then the damn thing was stuck forever and it took all day to get it out to make it feel more comfortable plus I always had a sore throat from it.
I actually found a video that shows a way to use the paste and make it more secure. You can search Funk dentures on YouTube. I was seriously impressed and had not seen that process before and I’ve heard it’s quite successful. I am just happy with my powder and the process I’ve been using for the last week makes it even better.
After I wet the denture and apply the powder. I shake off the excess into a little Tupperware bowl. Then spray on top of powder already applied and sprinkle more. I repeat this process a few times and then swish with water before I place the denture in. It seems to be a nice slow build up of product and will last most of the day now.
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Thank you for your true self showing video... I have a full upper and can't stand it as I am no longer speaking correctly which is terrible as I am a Director of Sales  and always speaking. Because of your video I was able to hear your voice and how lovely your words came out. I have a dentist appointment tomorrow & going to have the palate removed. 
Thank you for your honest thought out video.. 
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I just opened up the palate on my dentures today. You can read about it https://www.facebook.com/groups/1669189236446247/      or youtube. https://www.youtube.com/upload    Short story is it works exceptionally well and I only use a bit of Fixodent powder.  I will be converting my other sets of dentures soon.
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Deb Dennis......I actuallyyy tried some adhesive this weekend when I was out with friends. I was happyyy. I chose what I ate carefullyyy but it was good with what I ate.  My dentist said that she will give me the horseshoe denture in a few weeks - I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!
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Well. I've been wearing mine for months now. I would not go back to full palate. Yes I need adhesive but I can eat ANYTHING I want to.
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I use poligrip powder. And there's enough palate to give you suction to talk and drink, just not eat.
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Debi Hilley

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Been in 24 hours using poligrip.
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Does the powder remain in you mouth when you remove your denture ?
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Hi Deb H...., I am getting a complete upper and partial lower,.they wanted to yank all the lowers out so I got a second opinion and they are doing the partial lower which is what I wanted to begin with but they are predominantly on one side,..I dont know how this is all going to end up but will see,..I only have 4 more to be pulled top at this point and have been walking around like this for over a year since all the others were pulled hoping the healing time to be less since for the immediate uppers nyway thats my story,..I also have a high palate,..
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I'm in the exact senario as you 4 upper teeth getting pulled this week and a partial on the bottom . I'm scared... terrified. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated ty in advance
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I think it's great that you found something to work for you <3 I would however not be so quick to suggest it to others because if it doesn't and they ruin the denture or damage it extensively it will probably no longer be covered under any warranty or may not even be able to be fixed leaving them needing a whole new denture entirely. Not everyones mouth will be able to accomodate it. Small adjustments like if there's a small bump pushing in causing pain when you can't get into see the dentist with a dremel or very fine sand paper is completely different than actually attempting to change the shape of your denture. While most say they won't do the horseshoe because you lose suction. There are still some that would be willing to do it for you as long as they make sure you are aware of the risks and the new issues it may bring. I imagine they'd have you sign something stating that you are aware of everything and giving up the right to have them make a new denture at no cost if for some reason you find it indeed does not work for you. I agree you don't necessarily need implants though. I have an extremely severe gag reflex. There are even certain textures of foods I can't eat because it triggers it. I honestly couldn't even put my denture in my mouth without violently throwing up. I thought my only option was going to be either just going toothless or somehow figuring out how to pay for implants and neither of those choices were viable. So I asked my denturist if horseshoeing was an option. He too was worried about the suction capabilities being lost. I was dead set that there was absolutely no other option than to have sofmething without a pallet but shockingly the gagging wasn't happening because the pallet was the issue. I was gagging because I was literally choking on my own tongue. It needed to be tweaked on the bottom to give my tongue more room to talk and eat. He also did smoothe out the back so my tongue was less likely to feel it as I kept feeling it on the back of the tongue. I guess I hold my tongue in a weird way. My point is, yes it may feel like you have no other options. And that may very well be true, maybe that is the only way that will work. But I gotta tell ya, I wish I had thought of this all sooner. I haven't had a single issue with gagging since from my dentures. I have suction on the bottom holding it so tightly you'd swear there were implants underneath them holding them secure. Please try other options before you go to this solution. I say this as someone that wishes someone had said the same to me so I could have been less focused on gagging and more focussed on coming up with a solution to make it stop. I know I couldn't afford another set if something happened, and some people can't wear adhesives. Some people don't know they can't use adhesives. It would be devastating to find out after you've done this and then be stuck with something you can't use without the means to buy something to replace them. I'm not telling people not to do this, I'm just saying look into what your options truly are, it may not even be what you think is wrong which is why you haven't found a solution yet. Ask questions, Be proactive and fight for your own health and well being, not only just for the issues that need corrected right now but the future as well. I see so many people on youtube doing major adjustments on their own and the problem is that people watch these and assume that this is so easy to do on their own, or that this works for everyone. No two mouths are the same. If you are really deadset on the idea by all means. Speak to your dentist and see what he can do. Or even check out Jo's dentures, they do horseshoe uppers by request I believe and it's a whole lot cheaper than throwing thousands of dollars out the window because you thought you could do it on your own and regardless there is no guarantee that if you do it will be successful, just my two cents, take it for what it's worth. 
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Donna,

I hate to give you bad news but I've had my dentures for 4 years and still can't speak right.  I would love to know what to do but my dentist just doesn't understand.  He's very nice but not sure he gets what is going on in my mouth.  I would love to just correctly again.  It's so embarrasing!!!  Any suggestions out there???
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Cracked denture
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Will an upper denture crack if you have missing lower teeth?
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If your upper denture is made well it should not  be affected.
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when the 'nice' dentist tells you, nothing can be done-it's because they don't know-it's not easy finding someone to make a denture that fits and looks good-i've been on this journey for 30 yrs. now-worst upper i had was using my 401 k money and going to a prosthodontist, many years ago-she was SO arrogant (because of her title) but kept sending it back to the lab-hoping for the best-the best never happened-and here i am today-starting all over again and just had appt. 1 with a new dentist that accepts my ins. but i told him i wanted 'close to what my real teeth looked like'...showed him my pic. with my natural teeth-and i'm going to try my best to get that.  i've learned a lot over the years and even worked for a dental lab. for a couple of yrs. before i retired-this is my ONE DREAM...to get this right-and it will be a shade of WHITE, not gray, tan or yellow-like 'they' want to give us.  i wish denturists could practice in every state-they are trained in dentures, UNLIKE DENTISTS.  
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Patricia Meyer

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Mary Wendling any update on your horse shoe denture journey???
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eleanorlebrecht .

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I just horseshoed 2 of my set of dentures and it is fantastic.
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Patricia Meyer

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I spent 6 months without teeth, because of crappy dentures and bone spurs, I finally got dentures that fit 2 months ago and I have done nothing but struggle, cant eat, cant stand the back of the denture touching the roof of my mouth, after 5 hours they gotta come out, I finally took out my dremel and horseshoed my palate, OMG the last two days I have been able to wear them for most of the day 9-10 hours and I was able to eat, I cut everything up very small, but I DID IT FINALLY!!! Maybe there is hope after all, since september when I had the extractions this has been a nitemare. I am using a paste and the fixodent powder and the top hasnt moved a bit, my bottom teeth I did have to reapply product half way thru the day, I can deal with that. I FEEL HUMAN AGAIN what an amazing difference.
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Starla Harmon Ryer

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and for 80k you too can have implants
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Josie

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It's not 80 grand and I could never afford them. :/ Some people can! I'm trying to be positive for people.
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My health centered dentist tells me that implants could cause whole body problems in the future because the human tissue does not seal around the post and so bacteria continually goes into the system. I would not have implants even if they paid me what they charge. If you make your own dentures you can have well fitting and good looking denture teeth. 
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Donnie

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i 'now' feel the same about implants-i've heard of people getting infections-my 87 yr. old mom got one and it really made her sick.   she only has 'one' implant
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I couldn't afford to get implants. I've checked it out and it's not something I can do at this point. Maybe I could win the lottery or something..lol..I'll just have to wait and keep saving for another denture that is custom made. That is the best option for me it seems. I'm grateful for the thoughts though and the shared ideas are great.. thanks very much
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Betty Has

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It would be wonderful if the rich would join this group and have raffles for one lucky person to get implants. Hopefully more would join.
That would be a life changer to someone lucky.
We would all be happy if you joined us. It would be like playing Bingo. Please join us.
You would make a difference in someone’s life and we would all raffle in to see who won.
This would be so exciting. If you know someone, pass the word!! Life is a journey;)