I would not have someone make my permanent that could not get the temporary functioning. The temporary is a test run. If they are unable to provide you with a temporary that functions after adjustments and relines chances are slim to none they will be able to do so with a permanent.
This process takes a tremendous amount of communication to get things worked out. When things aren't working and you have communicated with the dentist to the best of your ability it may be time to consult with someone else, provided your were clear and concise and gave it your all to get perfection. If you have not been clear, concise and made your best efforts it may not be the fault of the dentist that your dentures are not fitting and functioning properly.
Best of luck and I do hope you get things sorted. There are a ton of videos on youtube that show how people navigated obstacles they had with their dentures/dentists during their journeys - it may be worth your time to see if you find someone who has similar problems to yours to see how they got found resolve.
One thing you should take advantage of is to take all the time necessary during your try-in appointment to make sure you love your teeth, since that's what you could not have had for your immediate dentures. I talk more about some important qualities a good denture must have at my Dentures Las Vegas website, but basically you are looking for a good balance between looks and functionality. Good luck!
As far as your permanent dentures, they should fit far better than your immediate/temporary set. The quality of fit also depends on the dentist you are seeing, and the type of denture you choose. I highly recommend a set that includes a wax try-in. This allows you to see what you final teeth will look like, and allows your dental team to ensure the best possible fit. If your set is an economy one, it may not include a wax try-in, but they still should fit far better than your immediate/temporary dentures.
I just received my permanent dentures a few days ago, and the difference is like night and day compared to my immediate set. My permanent set fits very well, and stay in even without adhesive (though I do need to use adhesive on the lower plate when I eat). They look great and feel quite comfortable (though yes, I notice they are there). I have no issues eating, though I'm having to learn to enunciate some words a bit differently as they do have a slightly different feel.
As Barbara and others have said, don't let yourself get railroaded by a bad dentist. You are the client, the dentist works for you. If you aren't happy, don't take "just deal with it" or anything else as an answer. The more of a thorn in the side you become, the more likely the dentist will comply. Personally, I don't like having to be aggressive unless necessary, as I can be very hostile and intimidating, and it isn't who I want to be.
Having stated that, when I need to be that way, I don't hesitate. I had some issues with the prior dentist that made my partials. After discussing my concerns with him and being ignored, I went over his head and contacted the company that owned the chain he worked for. I had gathered a list of complaints from other patients, and stated how poorly the dentist's work reflected on the company. The one thing no dental practice wants is a bad reputation, and within a couple of weeks, the cost of my partials was refunded.
Though the refund did not include the extractions, I had enough returned that I could begin saving for a new set. Don't give up, everyone has a weakness and a breaking point, it is only necessary to find it. We all stand behind you!
Of course, with my mouth open this wide and being so close, it might be evident they are dentures. However, they are indistinguishable from real teeth from a normal distance while eating, speaking, or smiling. Compared to my immediate/temporary dentures, there is a huge difference in both fit and appearance! This is not the kind of picture I would have been willing to take with my temporary set, so in the end you should be pleased with you permanent ones!
I was out shopping at Sam's Club the other day for my father and I. If you are familiar with that store, they often have salespeople pushing various products. In this case, it was a "Water-Pik Flosser", and the salesperson was very pushy. I tried to make a wide turn to avoid her, but she stopped me and gave me her speech, and complimented me on my "nice teeth". I thanked her, politely declined her offer, and said I did not need her product.
She was quite intent on making a sale, so she tried a high-pressure psychological trick as she pursued me. She put on a worried face and said, "Don't you want to take care of your nice teeth?!" Mildly frustrated at her refusal to accept the fact I wasn't interested, I replied "But ma'am, I do take extremely good care of my teeth. I take them out, brush them, and soak them in Efferdent every night!"
Her head dropped and she quickly headed back to her kiosk area. A woman who was close by absolutely lost it and started laughing. She came up to me and said, "That was the best response I ever heard young man. I have dentures too, and would have never thought to say that!" I smiled and told her I wasn't ashamed that I had them, but I sure was annoyed at the salesperson hounding me and wanted to deter her from pursuing the matter further.
Usually I can avoid the salespeople when they are out and about. Most of the time it is some guy selling cutlery. Regardless, I made the best of that situation, and managed to get a laugh out of it. Obviously, my dentures are indistinguishable from real teeth, so there is no need for me to feel self-conscious. I hope those of you reading this enjoy the story, and are able to get a good laugh out of it!
On 02/23/18 I had my teeth removed and an immediate denture placed at Foothills Smiles LLP. The denture was partially paid for with my last years (2017) insurance plan at Met Life. The remainder was billed to Delta Dental on 02/23/18.
The denture has never fit my mouth and has been 100% unusable by me. I have gone in 5 times for adjustments with no change in the outcome. Dr. Jarvis explained to me that these initial dentures were “healing” dentures and were only to be used until “permanent” dentures were made. He told me how they were far more detailed and would fit my mouth better. This was his solution after the 5th attempt to correct the denture had failed. Since this was all new to me, I trusted what the Dentist was telling me.
I was then presented with a bill for the “permanent” denture that I was surprised to see; I thought I had already paid for all of this. I was again assured that this was the correct next step. Since I was not prepared to pay for a second denture, Foothills Smiles opened an account for me with Smile Generations. They were billed 1999.20 for a denture. I have since found out that Delta Dental was billed that same day for an upper and lower denture.
It was not until I started doing some research and talking to others with dentures on a forum site, DentureLiving that I started to question what was happening next. I went back to see the Dentist and explained my concerns about a second denture. Why would I have him make a second one when he could not get the first one to fit? He understood explaining that he would refund any monies spent on the second denture thus far. That was 04/06/2018.
I have since found out that all adjustments associated with the first denture were to be included in the initial cost for up to 6 months. It seems that between my out of pocket payment and the payment made by Delta Dental for these adjustments that a refund is in order. It was not until I received an EOB from Delta Dental explaining why the claim was denied because adjustments were included in the initial charge, and have been wrongly charged.
I am requesting that all money paid to Foothills Smiles be fully investigated and refunded where possible.
Good for you Susan
I am so impressed by everything you did
Don't stop until you get all your money due you and the insurance company BACK
If you paid anything by credit card you can ask the credit card company to reverse the payment so that you get that money back quickly
Isn't it amazing that the second dentist saw what was wrong immediatley.
If for any reason your complaint does not get all your money back you still have options to get the balance back and we can talk about that if you do not get what you feel you are entitelled to
Do you think that being on this forum helped you speak up for yourself?
Do you think being on it helped you?
Please keep us informed on your progress
It would be good also to post all your charges for the dentures and the extractions
Way to go Susan
I'm still waiting on the appeal from my insurance co. but at least I have done my part in trying to get some of this money back. That being said I am still without functional teeth. I try to put on a happy face for my husband but this has been nothing short of a nightmare. I make dinner, or anything to eat for that fact and the night goes to hell in a handbasket. I try, really I try to eat anything other than mash potatoes and I am screwed. I pretend to eat dinner with him because that's what we have always done but in reality, I feel like a little kid trying to hide the food that I can't eat. I see what others have had to go through and realize I am not alone in having dentures that you can not use. =(
Aside from your appeal to your insurance company you can send a letter to your dentist asking for your money back and asking him to respond with in 7 days other wise you will sue
This is called a "Demand Letter" (look it up on the internet ) and it must be sent before any one sues
You can go to small claims court and sue for approx $5,000
Usually a dentist will try to settle this with you out of court
Let us know how you are doing??
Update. The dental credit card that the dentist had charged $1999 to and not done any services at all for has been credited to the account and I am free and clear of any charges by them. Insurance is still waiting for documents from the DDS that did all of this; then the appeal can move forward.I met with a new dentist to look into another possible procedure. Its called "Click tight" and primarily provides implants that will click the denture into place providing greater support than I currently have as well as allowing me to remove the upper palate of the denture that causes me so much discomfort. I liked everything he had to say, and it seems like the only thing I can do short of a full arch implant. The big question I have is cost. They either put in 2 or 4 implants. Obviously, four is preferred. I suppose, but the difference between 2 and 4 is about $7000. I have pretty much convinced myself that this is what I need to do. Now its just a matter of finding money, so I might be toothless forever.