When I get my permanent dentures will they be better then the immediate. Ones?

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It's going on 5 months that I had my teeth pulled and immediate dentures. I still can't eat crap. I live on pasta, scrambled eggs and mashed potatoes. I can chew anything. I've tried but I think the teeth are crap. In about 5 weeks I go in to get my permanent ones. And they are suppose to be the top of the line. I just hope and pray that I will be able to eat again. I've lost over 30 lbs so far. It is so depressing. Went to county fairs and couldn't eat. My birthday is coming up in October. Sure would be nice to go out for a nice dinner with my man. Just really regretting all this. I wish I would of had a second opinion. I wonder if there was something that could have been done besides pulling them all. Grrr. Very frustrated and depressed.
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Jeanne Roushey

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Hopefully.....2 years and I still have to eat mostly soft food. Gaimed weight back, all those carbs. Wish you well.
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Same here. I have done reline myself. I have had the dentist do relines. It still hurts to do any real chewing. We go out to eat and I get a baked potato or soup or pancakes. I don’t enjoy eating any more.
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This sound just like my story. I am so depressed, I cry every day, I have lost almost 30 pounds, nothing tastes the same, I am miserable, the more the DDS tells me that this is pretty good the worse I feel. I can not chew anything without this hunk of plastic coming lose and trying to float down my throat. They just ordered my permanent denture but I am so worried its just going to be more if the same. Now I get to pay AGAIN for a denture that does not fit.
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You will find permanent dentures are lots better. As teeth are sharper and fit loads better. Immediate dentures will not work as well due to teeth been out of line also teeth are blunt
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Barbara G

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There is something wrong if you still can not eat
U should go back to your dentist
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Susan Ozturkler

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I have gone back to my dentist 4 times now. I get it that these are "healing" dentures but I guess I was just so ill-prepared for what was to come. My Dentists tells me "I told you there would be some time needed for adjustment" sure but I had no idea he meant for my entire life! The first photo is my sitting in the chair waiting to have my teeth pulled, the second photo is 2 days later.
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One thing I cannot understand is why people who have major problems with their dentures go back to the same dentiat that won't make it right to get another set...i would find a new dentist.
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Barbara G

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Debi you are so right on
What do you think of the RK dentures???
Barbara
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I get that but everyone says the permanent denture is so much better fitting than this healing one. Am I just miserable because I have this hunk of plastic in my mouth that is NOT form fitting or is it because the DDS is bad?
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Debi Hilley

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Both possibilities are accurate. Lol hard to say. A dentist that won't fix a bad denture loses my respect.
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If he can't fix your temporary dentures why would you go back to him for your permanent dentures
Get your money back if he can't fix the temporary denture  and stay far away from him for your permanent dentures
Are you talking about your upper or lower denture???
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I had a similar problem. Had temp 10/16. These were never correct so I went to another office. I used aspen. When they made the perms they never seem rite. Each time went back to adjust. The owner and another dentist never really checked them. They just kept trying to adjust.oct of 17 they got a new dentist. First thing she did was check the bite. This was never done before this. As soon as she looked she seen the bite was off. She made it all rite,but in the process she took the time and remade them. Twice. Now minor adjustment. Maybe next appointment ask the to check the bite. Makes a big difference. Good luck.
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I also went to Aspen. when I went for adjustment I only saw the assistance. the first one was ok, The second one did nothing. also I was so sore that I was not sure if the adjustments were working or not. I went home and drew my top and bottom denture and highlighted the sore spot. Finally  on the third adjustment  I told her I was very uncomfortable and I wanted her to shave off more in the areas I had highlighted. I am now working on my fourth week and again I will highlight my sore spots so when I go back I can again show her. I am going to request the same girl and I don't want to see different assistant. They have a money back guarantee and warranty. If it is done correctly you should be ok. 
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This dentist fixed them. 2 other dentist never checked the bite along with the lead tech. Saddest part is the first dentist that I seen was the ownet
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I've had upper and lower partial, been for adjustments 6 times only had dentures 6 weeks, they checked my bite this time never before . Feeling better so far.
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HI  Eva Moore
So that's good information
Everyone should see that their bite is
checked
everyone should ask their dentist to check their bite when they go for 
just  another bit of information that we need to know and  have on our follow up 
Thanks for that input
Barbara
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Sometimes you already have paid for both temp and perm partial as a package. They don't want to give money back so they need to get your teeth right. I also had the pallet cut out more so I can taste food better.also I had the partial thinned out it was so thick and bulky. I'm feel much better, I can eat and now I can smile.
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Hi  Eva Moore
Well that sounds good
We must tell people when they have trouble tasting food that they should try having the pallet cut out and made thinner
Good move!!
Barbara
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i'm 2 months into this nightmare.... lived with a husband for 30 years with dentures...now I know why crunchy stuff and NEVER going on a roller coaster is now my life
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Hi Mickey Canfield
I certainly hope you will do bettter
Gather up ll the informtion on this ite
Like thinning an making the pallet smaller if you  are not comfortable.
Also have the dentist  check  your bite everytime you see him
Do it all.
Insist on being comfortable and document your dental journey on this site
Good luck
Barbara
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So, needing to know if immediate dentures are the permanent ones? The do all the soft liner stuff, so I'm thinking these ARE the permanent ones. Problem is, I don't like the way the teeth look, so I'm trying to find out if I get a chance to have them made better looking. Please help!
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I had healing dentures put in after my extractions (all teeth). It totally sucked by the way. That was May 2017. I still have them. I had implants in my lower jaw put in in April 2018. I am finally ready for my lower overdenture and a new upper denture. I held out until I was ready for my lower to be done. I really didn’t have a problem with the upper denture. The lower was a nightmare. I haven’t worn it in a year. All I want is to eat a potato chip. Lol. Is that too much to ask? Good luck to you!!!!
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A bit curious as to where you had it done..
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Hi  Renee Valis
Well   I hope your over denture is perfect
It should be
I would ask for my money back on the temporary because it never fit you
Good Luck
Barbara
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I have the same problem.
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Columbia dental college   posted the following information  on dentures supported by implants:


What Can You Expect From Your Implant-Supported Denture?

Your implant-supported denture will be more stable than a regular denture. You will find it easier to speak and you won't have to worry about the denture becoming loose or falling out of your mouth. You generally will be able to eat foods you could not eat before. However, you will not be able to chew hard or sticky foods because they can damage the denture.

If you have an implant-supported denture in your upper jaw, it can be made to cover less of your palate (roof of your mouth) than a regular denture. That's because the implants are holding it in place instead of the suction created between the full denture and your palate.


 
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Hopefully.....2 years and I still have to eat mostly soft food. Gaimed weight back, all those carbs. Wish you well.
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Jeanne Roushey

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Hopefully.....2 years and I still have to eat mostly soft food. Gaimed weight back, all those carbs. Wish you well.
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Jeanne Roushey

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Hopefully.....2 years and I still have to eat mostly soft food. Gaimed weight back, all those carbs. Wish you well.
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If you are months and or years into it and cannot eat you really need to speak with your dentist and get adjustments and relines to get yourselves sorted. 

I would not have someone make my permanent that could not get the temporary functioning.  The temporary is a test run.  If they are unable to provide you with a temporary that functions after adjustments and relines chances are slim to none they will be able to do so with a permanent. 

This process takes a tremendous amount of communication to get things worked out.  When things aren't working and you have communicated with the dentist to the best of your ability it may be time to consult with someone else, provided your were clear and concise and gave it your all to get perfection.  If you have not been clear, concise and made your best efforts it may not be the fault of the dentist that your dentures are not fitting and functioning properly.

Best of luck and I do hope you get things sorted.  There are a ton of videos on youtube that show how people navigated obstacles they had with their dentures/dentists during their journeys - it may be worth your time to see if you find someone who has similar problems to yours to see how they got found resolve.
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Your comments are very encouraging. Thank.s. It is a mental and physical experience.
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Could you tell me if a 12 year old denture thats so thin and worn down if the products used to made the denture could be the reason i feel sick to my stomake all the time. I dont have a medical condition jus wondering if u knw any tbing about this. Thk u
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Debi Hilley

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I wouldnt think the denture woukd but the adhesives could.
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Raechel Barentson-Frantom

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The people that comment on YouTube are all young. Very few middle aged or older people in YouTube.
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Barbara G

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Pain is pain and u should not accept it. You deserve better
Go back to the dentist
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Eva Moore

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Yes, keep going back til you get some satisfaction. You paid for a service and you should be satisfied.
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It's been five weeks since I had my remaining 16 teeth pulled.  I had so many teeth broken off that I had been gluing in with crazy glue for a year, I decided this would be the best option.  I also wish I had gotten a second opinion to try to save the teeth I had left, I would do anything to get those bad real teeth back.  Not all my teeth were bad, the molars were healthy, but everything was pulled.  That itself was nightmarish.  Looking back it was no different than an amputation. My toothless mouth looks hideous, I won't let my husband see me without my dentures in, and I'm not a vain person!  I couldn't even look inside my mouth for two weeks after the extractions.  I still have a hard time. But I have my immediate dentures. I am slowly getting use to talking and chewing.  Chewing will never be comfortable because the pressure on the bone and gum from the denture.  They've gotten very loose since the swelling has gone down.  I'm learning to use the paste effectively.  I find putting one layer in, wearing them for about a half hour, then remove and put another thin layer of paste on makes them very secure for longer.  I hate when my food slides under my upper palate while I'm eating, and my lower is always the first to come loose.  If even something as small as a blueberry seed gets under my dentures it is agony!  I am looking forward to getting my premium permanents, but I am even trying to figure out a way to get implants if possible.  I would really like to eat and talk normally again.  Good luck to all of you!  BTW, I really had to force myself to wear them all the time, never taking them out except to clean.  That is the only way to get use to them.  And it's not like it's normal, you just adapt.
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Hi  upndnglo

You said  " I am even trying to figure out a way to get implants if possible.  I would really like to eat and talk" 
I am a big proponent of implant,  I have permanent implants and I love them and they are just Like having  my original  teeth.
The least expensive implant systems  are over denture or clip on dentures and if cost is an issue you should start there.  Look it up on the internet

If a Dental college is near  you I would recommend getting a consultation there
Let us know how you are progressing
Good luck
Barbara
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Can I ask how many implants you have? Do they connect to a denture or are they individual teeth? How many are needed to secure lowers vs uppers? 
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Jeanne Roushey

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Yes I will when I get a few thousand dollars together.
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Cherryghost

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Try Russell Kline on etsy search him there . I have heard nothing but good things about him. Follow his instructions to a T. You do everything yourself but he is on call to help you.
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Debi Hilley

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Yep. Mine came from him. Extremely pleased.
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Barbara G

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Don't wait for more money. Get back to the dentist now
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Barbara G

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You can complain to the dental society and have them make an evaluation
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upndnglo

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Dentists are so friggin expensive!
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upndnglowr
Dentists are so friggin expensive!
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 Yes they are very expensive
And many  on this blog are not getting what they paid for!!

The question is why??
Why after   so much money   is paid are people still not able to wear these
dentures
 Too many are left with dentures that do it fit and hurt?
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After the first month, even your temporary dentures should fit properly.  If not, something is wrong, like Barbara said.  As for why so many have issues, that is a very valid question.  As far as my own history with dentists, I've had a lot of bad experiences myself, and dealt with plenty who are "just in it for the money" and could care less about the patient's needs or wants.

Same concept with my dad and general contractors work on his house, looking to "make a quick buck" off him.  The moment one suspects one is being toyed with, it is time to be firm about what the out come WILL be, or you won't be letting up.  A lot of so-called professionals assume clients will just "go away".  They really don't want trouble, or attention drawn to them. so often that is the route one has to take, unsavory as it can be.
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David Hahn
Hi David
Yes my friend was a person that went away and npw she has no money nd no denturess
She spent $5.000 Plus at her dentist in addition to what she paid to the surgeon for the xtractions (another big number)
Now sh is broke
My friend does not use the internet so there is another  problem 

I have asked Tod somewhere else on this site for information about RT dentures and hoping he will answer as he seems to know everything about RT dentures

She can not use her bottom dentures at all and now the tops are rubbing and she has no money and no dentist

The consulting dentist said the tops were too long and she needed another made for $1,500 or $2,000   He said the bottoms should be new and secured by implants
She can not afford any of these options.

Of course she is afraid of mail order but she can nt afford anything else?

Is there  any thing  you can think of  where   she could go to  a  denture  Lab ???  who could 
make her top denture shorter and do something  so the denture  does not continue to cause  a sore spot on her upper gums
Do you have any advise  you  can give to her??? 

Sorry to be such  a bother and sorry for this long saga
Barbara
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Hi Barbara,

No bother at all.  My own story of lousy dentists and lack of funds here and there due to poor relationship choices could fill a book, so I understand.  Fortunately, in my case, things have improved by being more cautious, and aggressive when I suspect deception or manipulation.  I'm happy to assist any way I can.

If I am understanding you correctly, the back of your friend's top dentures are digging into her gums correct?  If that is the case, I'm dubious regarding her dentist telling her she needs a new set.  Sounds more like she needs them adjusted (filed down) in the back.  If there is an Afforable Dentures near her, or even and Aspen Dental, they have on-site labs, and the Dremel tools needed to make adjustments.  

Odds are, there might be a small charge, but I can't see it being much.  They also accept Medicaid, and various insurance depending on the location.  Another jury-rigged solution would be to find a friend that owns a Dremel tool and file them down a bit.  As long as it was done slowly and carefully, it could be a last-ditch method.  I was able to do that in a pinch with my temporary dentures one time when I couldn't get in for a week.

Hope that is of some use,
David
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Hi David
Thanks
I will tell my friend about filing it down and Affordable Dentures???
She might do that.  She is really so good at make up and nail polishing I would imagine she could do something with a dremel tool   but she is difficult to move forward

She is a Afraidy  Cat but perhaps i can propel her forward
I feel so sorry for her

This idiot Money hungry dentist has just made her life miserable.  The $5,000+ just thrown out the window.  She handled the entire thing very very poorly but most people can be taken advantage  of by terrible people

What should she do or buy to stop the top denture from   rubbing again her gums   and  making her gums  sore??

Thanks again
Barbara
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Hi Barbara,

If she's good with nail polishing, I wager she might be able to file the areas down that are rubbing her gums, it depends on where the spot is (just do a tiny bit at a time, less is more).  Another trick is a product called "Benzodent", but any kanker sore or dental sore remedy containing benzocaine such as Oragel will help if she applies it to the sore area.

Sad how shady people prey on the trust of others, it can make one's heart grow quite dark.  I have been fortunate with my choice of dentist thankfully, but I also made my expectations clear and ensured I had a written guarantee.  Your friend's fear was likely an efficient means to exploit her.  I'm a "Dr. Who" fan and always remember when the antagonist "The Master" referred to humanity as "The human disgrace"...sad but true at times.

I wish her the best, and will of course, provide any data I can.  Just tell her "Fear is the mind killer".  Here's a good video I think is applicable when it comes to fear and anxiety:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jwcY0FEWyw&index=2&list=PLKPKBfajgiFPB8geWtSSmAdBSa0bJArwn&...
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Thanks David
I am going to forward your comments to my friend
You have been so helpful
Barbara
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I was dying the first 8 days. One area of my lower was digging in so bad I was in agony. My hub whipped out his dremel and ground that spot down slightly. The relief was immediate and dramatic. The only reason I didn't run to the dentist is because it's almost 60 miles away.
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I was dying the first 8 days. One area of my lower was digging in so bad I was in agony. My hub whipped out his dremel and ground that spot down slightly. The relief was immediate and dramatic. The only reason I didn't run to the dentist is because it's almost 60 miles away.
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I had the same problem and couldn't get appointment for two weeks, I bought a Emery board and filed the sore spots instant relief. You have to do what you can fo relief.
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I own a dremel and have diamond bits for it, For 15 years prior to these immediates I was doing my own crowns(which I purchased on ebay with the cement) on a post that was still there. I learned how to shape the crowns and this is so much easier.Funny how just a small shave can relieve all kinds of pain . I too use orajel (mouthwash and the gel in a tube) but only to put them back in after my morning ritual of salt rinses. I am only on day 5 and have went back 2x one for the initial follow up and once because of the pain.I heard the dremel running and I knew exactly what they were doing. The only thing I have irking me is the overbite that I have now that I never had before. Makes me feel like I have what I call "rabbit teeth" They are redoing the impressions and I am getting a new set that will hopefully be smaller.My real teeth were small and these things are just HUGE looking in my mouth,My son commented that it looks like I have too many teeth now..Anyone else have the weird overbite thing?
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Where did you go to have yours done?
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Nana PennyPockets
what did you have done for $20,000??
How did it turn out??
 Clip ons are the least expensive implant system
Barbara
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Well I'm into over a year since all my teeth were pulled and I had the early dentures and the permanent ones and still can't wear them.  I've been living on mac and cheese forever it seems.  Today I started the journey to having implants put in.  It will take 8 months for the healing and permanent teeth but at least there is an end in site.  This time I'm looking for dentist's with good reputations and am going to go into hock for the cost.  Estimates put it at just under $20,000.  - a fortune with only Social Security for income but I'm aiming to have a slice of pizza before I leave this wonderful world.  LOL.  I've gagged long enough trying to wear the dentures and refuse to give up totally.  There's a fix out there and I've decided to go for it. Lots of information on U-tube that has helped with my decision plus one of the dentist groups had wonderful information on their web site that I found very helpful.  Not pushing this dental group - but their info was top notch so passing it on. http://www.southoms.com/procedures/dental-implants/  Hope this gives some one else out here some hope and courage to get some answers and help.
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Are you getting implants on upper or lower and how many? The PPS area can be trimmed to stop the gagging. They can only trim so much on an upper until suction is lost. I don't encourage you to try this yourself. I have had people walk into our Denture Clinic with broken dentures after they've tried to adjust themselves. We don't charge for adjustments and they shouldn't where you had them made. Can you explain a little what is going on and why you can't wear them?
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You can still attempt to get your money back for the original denture
Send the dentist' a demand letter to try and get your money back for the original useless denture
That will help with the cost of the wonderful implants
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I am so sorry for your bad experience. I know several people with implants. They look great and work. I had all my teeth pulled. I am on intermediate dentures. I have to use paste and powder. I know how you feel about food. This is going on my third month. I will get permanent denture around Christmas. Hoping for the best.
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Kath don't give up. When you get your perms the new impression of your mouth will be different then the models they poured for immediates. You should ask them to show you the models so you can see the difference of what your mouth looks like in there after you've healed. It's pretty interesting how different peoples mouths look. I see them every day. If you're using "glue" for your upper you shouldn't really need it much with the new one.
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I should really remove them after 6 hours, clean and reapply.
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Everyone's mouth is different and so are the adhesives. Try that and see if it helps. If you get your perms 6 mths after extractions or even later your gums will have healed and should be a good impression of your mouth. Full upper shouldn't need adhesive except maybe if you're going to eat steak etc. Good luck with the new perms when you get them.
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I had 8 teeth pulled on top and the top denture is a frkg nightmare, every time I go in they do a soft reline that peels off or my top is off center, they told me they would be tight from the swelling, never felt tight ever! I cannot eat anything, wth? I had a partial before, never a problem! If u can’t do it, don’t advertise! American dental solutions, don’t ever use them!
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Hi  Dorothy Kordish
Ask for a refund
Send them a demand letter  (look up demand letter  on the internet)

You should not pay for something that is not working after many try's

You should not be using them.  Get a refund and go some where else

Its your money and your mouth. 
Do not put up with them
Good Luck
Barbara
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I hope everyone making your dentist your best friend.  You can go back as much as you need for adjustments,  If you can't eat after 5 months you really should have a sit down with your dentist.  I am 3 months since my extractions/immediates and at week 5 I was back eating regular foods.  Still haven't mastered biting an apple but no trouble with chicken, meat, grapes, salads,etc.  If you think you are bothering the dentist you're not.  Now if they make you feel that way, then you probably need to see someone else.  Remember, they don't know you're having a problem unless you tell them. 
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It's been almost 2 months for me and I have to even cut a grape in half to eat it.
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Barbara G

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Go back to the dentist. Insist on having him help you
You PSID good money to him
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Indeed!  $$$!
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Exactly.  My dental office told me, when I went in for my first reline, that if I had problems, just show up, no appointment needed.  I won't do that, though, but the gesture was very welcome.
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Mine said the same thing. Oddly, it’s taken 3 tries to actually get in. My lower partial feels like a torture device. And I know the bite is off. I can’t bite through jello right now. Hopefully that will be fixed in the morning.
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Hey Marcia, I am a lab tech who makes dentures full time, and can tell from an insider perspective that there is light in the end of the tunnel. Permanent dentures should always be better than immediate ones precisely because of the fact that your gums's and bone's shrinkage slows down significantly which allows for more space to work with and also because of a better impressions that can be taken. Given your lab tech and doctor do a good job, you should get a much better denture.

One thing you should take advantage of is to take all the time necessary during your try-in appointment to make sure you love your teeth, since that's what you could not have had for your immediate dentures. I talk more about some important qualities a good denture must have at my Dentures Las Vegas website, but basically you are looking for a good balance between looks and functionality. Good luck!
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Michael Burke

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All I keep hearing is that bottoms always pop out. I am 3 months into immediatesome and still can't eat without my bottoms coming loose. The only way to keep them in is adhesive and that doesn't work for eating. Is this normal?
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Remember, with adhesive less is more.  Some people feel they have to use a lot to make the bottoms stay in.  The opposite is true.  If you use less then they will stay put. Also, hot, hot (as in temperature, not spice) will cause the denture to loosen also,  
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Please lab tech contact me cynthia santos at greeneye096@gmail.com san jose, calif. 95126 I need help and answers to some important questions about my 12 yr old upper denture
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Cynthia Santos

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Thank you very much, Cynthia Santos
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Cynthia Santos

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My upper denture was made 12 years ago and iam still wearing them. My daughter makes fun of me tells me all the yime that gravity is pulling my face down. It hurys me because she is a certitfyed Oral Gacial surgical asistant for 25 yrs now she coukd of helped me but she rather make fun of me i jus need your professional help thk you cynthia santos
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My bottom denture kept coming loose too when I ate and the dentist told me to use a little powder adhesive and a little regular adhesive to hold them in place. She did tell me that I would have to reapply adhesive during the day and recommends inplants for the bottom which I can't afford.
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Barbara G

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Implants are the solution to bottom dentures
Pretend you are buying a Car and finance them
Get a refund from your dentist for the denture that does not work and put it toward the implants
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upndnglo

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With dentures, there will be bone loss over time and your facial structure will change. How mean that anyone would make fun!  Implants are the only way to avoid much of that bone loss.  I will be trying to get implants eventually.
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Renee Valis

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I got implants in my bottom jaw. I could not wear the lower denture at all. It cost a fortune but I thank God we could afford it. I truly feel bad for all the people out there who can’t.
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Dorothy Kordish

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R u serious? Do u have dentures
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Annie Huff Hamilton

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I will be at 2 years at the end of February with dentures. There is a major difference between your immediates (temp ones) and your permanent dentures. I can eat basically what I want. If you're not using an adhesive, I would give it a try. With my immediates, I had to have a ton of adjustments done for a proper fit. My permanent ones are thinner.
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Glenda Ivey

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I've had my immediate dentures for a while use adhesive but don't last long ..i think i have every kind on the market and my nottom is the worst so should i keep getting adjustments.
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The best adhesive I have found for my lowers is Olivafix.  I get 12-18 hours of hold every time.  It's a little expensive but I only use it on the lowers so a tube lasts a long time.  
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Cherryghost

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Where do I get some?
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Barbara G

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Glenda
It Lois like they will never work
You need implants
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Sana

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You can buy Olivafix from www.myswisscare.com
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Renee Valis

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My fav adhesive is Fixodent. I have to pry those suckers out at the end of the day!
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Susan Ozturkler

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I had all my teeth removed Feb 29th; recovery was far harder than I had anticipated. The worst part for me has been my physical appearance without any teeth in. Very depressed, have only been able to eat minimal soft food because this hunk of plastic flops around in my mouth going sideways and ends up cutting my mouth. I have been back to my DDS every week since my teeth were pulled. I have had soft realign, adjustments and more adjustments. Still, I have a hunk of plastic that flops around, and that is only the tops, have never been able to wear the bottom partial. He tells me these are healing dentures and says they look pretty good, that this is as good as they are going to get and I have to learn to adjust. I leave crying every time. I have tried powders, strips, creams; nothing changes this nightmare. The last time I was in to see him, it was one month after the surgery, and he said my mouth healed up nicely and he felt it was time to do impressions for the permanent denture and that one would fit much better. I have been reading on here that 5 or 6 months is normal for healing, not 1 month. I called the office explaining that if he was not able to get this healing denture right why would I let him make me another set? The girl said the healing denture would never fit it's just for healing. I said then why did I pay so much for it if it would never fit? Why not just have nothing in my mouth? I go see him on Friday morning, and I will be asking him these very questions. Why did I pay 2320.00 for Immediate dentures, upper and lower if they were never supposed to be worn to eat or function as teeth in any way? Now one month later he wants to charge me 3676.00 for a permanent set of dentures when he can not make the others work at all?
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Barbara G

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Dear Susan
I feel so sorry for you
This  dentist can not make dentures
Of course he wants to get you to order more dentures because he does not want to look at his terrible workmanship fr one more minute
why in the world would you consider doing anything more with him??  He thinks you can't figure anything out and he thinks he can talk you into spending even more money
Tell him you have not gotten a working denture top and bottom.  Tell hm you want a refund and get away from him.

Solve your problems by getting a refund from this man and putting that money toward a denture supported by implants
It's  more money  but it is a quality of life for you
Barbara
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Barbara G

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Susan
I forgot to ask whether you paid for this on your credit card
Because if you did it would make getting a refund much easier
Barbara
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Susan Ozturkler

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Barbara, I totally understand what you are saying, and I agree with you. When I called his office to say I was worried about these permanent dentures he wanted to make when he couldn't even get the immediate one close! She said I have to give him an opportunity to make it right. I said, um excuse me but he has had four opportunities and not gotten it right yet!
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Susan
Well if you sue him  he probably would settle with you
Give him another chance.  It looks better if you  sue if you gave him all these chances to make it right.
  Remember you want to be able to wear the uppers AND the lowers. Tell them that 
Say yes and go in the 5th time and see if he can give you uppers and lowers (not the permanent ones but these  temps)   that you can wear for the $2,000 + money that  you  paid.  They think they  can wear you out  and   you will give up but we know better
Good luck
Barbara
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Barbara G

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Susan 
I also wanted to say  I  don"t even know why dentists even sell  bottom dentures because they usually don't work at  all and just sit in a drawer
If you do anything with this doctor only let him try to  adjust  and fix the temps.  Do NOT ever let him make  the permanent ones

If the 5th time doesn't work  then proceed with the refund

I have implants and never had a moment of discomfort
They are perfect  with no follow up problems ever
Barbara
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Susan Ozturkler

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Thanks, I will let you know how it goes after the hike through the forest .. 
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Barbara G

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We are totally interested in what the dentist says and does to you or for you.  Your situation is very important to us because so may people are in the exact terrible place you are in with reference to the dentist and their unusable dentures
 So you are the leader here and we have to learn from your experience
Don't you have another appointment with your dentist and did you go???
One person on this site was going to Mexico to have her dental  work done and we sure would like to hear from her
Barbara
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First a little background. I have always had messed up teeth and have ALWAYS had a bad experience with Dentists, so at this point, I had to do something I only had 5 of my teeth in my mouth, and the few others were root canals with crowns. I am a paramedic here in Arizona, and I work a 24 her shift. Last night was another standup 24 meaning we never saw the station. This past month has been an enormous adjustment. Working a 24 hr shift means I have to take out the denture, clean it and put it away for the night, but I'm still working and need to have it in, and it's even worse when it wants to come out more than it needs to be in. I made my appointment the other day after I had explained some of my concerns so I knew the DDS would be ready for me.  My appointment was for today at 1030. I was in the exam room for a few mins before Dr. Javis arrived. Everyone in the office was very VERY nice to me today. I can't say I have always been nice to them. I explained how I had paid a lot of money for a denture I was supposed to be using for 6 to 9 months, and so far this is useless. He did some more adjusting and evaluating how it was fitting. He said I think at this point I have lost your trust and wanted to know what I can do to earn it back? I said what I would like is for you to make this healing/immediate denture useful to me. That will give me some time to evaluate what options I have. I said it had been brought to my attention that if I was not happy with the first denture why would I want to have the same dentist make my permanent denture? He said I understand and I will refund all of your money if you are not happy with my work. What we settled on is that he would continue to make adjustments until I am satisfied. He will return all money related to the making of the permanent denture until I  decide if I will have him make the permanent denture, someone else, or get implants. After I was done, I will say that I felt much better about things and he has gained some of my trust back. 
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Hi Susan,
You are in a good place.
Don't lose your advantage
The Dr sounds very nice but then again you are not going to marry him.  Don't fall in love with him.  We are talking about your teeth and your future life with these teeth.
You need someone that is nice but  can also make a good denture .  If you are sure you even want an unsecured denture.?  
Let Dr Javitz  try again but if it was me I would get a refund and get away from this place.
Below I am going to print something about a denture secured with only 2 implants that might interest you.  It probably is much less money then an all on 4 or anything else.  I Think
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LOWER TEETH?  Ball Attachment Denture

One possible option is to have two implants placed in your lower jaw and a denture made that snaps onto these implants. This option allows for your lower denture to be more stable while chewing than without implants. However, there will still be some movement of your lower denture, and sore spots will occur if any food particles, especially seeds, are caught underneath the denture. As with all removable replacement teeth, you still will need regularly scheduled periodic appointments for denture adjustment.

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I don't know anything about dentures attached with only 2 implants but it sounds good especially  if there is a money issue involved
My friend just got a dreadful set of unusable  dentures.  She  went to consult with another dentist (free consultation)  and he talked to her about this 2 implant restoration
Perhaps you would like to investigate it and tell us what you think.

Let everyone here know how it goes with you and this Dentist.    Tell us what you have deceided  to do
You are doing really good standing up for yourself and I am proud of you.  It must have been difficult to stand there and complain to this nice man.    Remember you come first and this dentist will be long gone out of your life in the future
Stay strong, stay well
Barbara
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Barbara G

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Susan,
Hi Susan
We need an update on how you are dong with  your Dr J
and your new dentures
Hopefully you are doing well and we would like to know how it is going
since  you made it clear that you want dentures that function well
Let us know
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Barbara G

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Susan
We would like an update on your progress
So far you are doing  everything right and standing up for your self. 
My dear friend has lost $5,000 and has no denture that is wearable.
We want to know  how you are making out and and any advise you have for us.
Like what should you do  when things go wrong with your dentures.
Please let us know where  you are  now in your Dental Journey
Barbara
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I’ve worn my temp for over a year now. It fits fine. I would definitely say wait until you let them make you a new one. There is a lot of gum shrinking that’s going to happen.
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Dorothy Kordish

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They do not care, already got their money & now we r a pain in the ass!
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Barbara G

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Dorothy Kordish

You are so right
BUT
don't let them  get with it

Barbara
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Im in the same exact boat asnyou 5 months with no teeth they made 2 sets of horrible temporary teeth I am going for a consult with another dentist this week Im over this other dentist I borrowed the moneg for my immediate denture and have never been able to wear it Im so over it
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Patricia Meyer
Patricia when you go for your consult ask the dentist to give you a written estimate of what he will be doing
Do not frighten him and let him think you are suing your first dentist

However you should indeed proceed to ask the first incompetent dentist for your money back
I would send the first dentist a "Demand" letter telling him how bad the other dentures are and that  you have given him opportunity to correct his poor work and now you want your money back
Send that letter certified return receipt requested
Look up   "Demand letter to your Dentist  on the internet
Good Luck
Barbara
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I had issues with the temps. Bottoms would not stay in but the tops did but need reigns as the healing happen. I guess your gums heal and that is why they need to keep doing reigns. This set I was able to eat with. Have a feeling that dentist has no clue about dentures. Good luck.
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Though the dental professional(s) that do the work have a large bearing on the final outcome, the answer to your question is yes, your permanent dentures should be far superior to your immediate (aka temporary dentures).  Your bones and gums are going through a tremendous healing process, and there will be a lot of change during the first three to six months.  With both my partials and full dentures, the immediate ones never really fit worth squat.  Think of them as "training wheels".  Relines will help with the fit to some degree, but until you are healed, you will likely always struggle with fit and/or comfort.

As far as your permanent dentures, they should fit far better than your immediate/temporary set.  The quality of fit also depends on the dentist you are seeing, and the type of denture you choose.  I highly recommend a set that includes a wax try-in.  This allows you to see what you final teeth will look like, and allows your dental team to ensure the best possible fit.  If your set is an economy one, it may not include a wax try-in, but they still should fit far better than your immediate/temporary dentures.

I just received my permanent dentures a few days ago, and the difference is like night and day compared to my immediate set.  My permanent set fits very well, and stay in even without adhesive (though I do need to use adhesive on the lower plate when I eat).  They look great and feel quite comfortable (though yes, I notice they are there).  I have no issues eating, though I'm having to learn to enunciate some words a bit differently as they do have a slightly different feel.

As Barbara and others have said, don't let yourself get railroaded by a bad dentist.  You are the client, the dentist works for you.  If you aren't happy, don't take "just deal with it" or anything else as an answer.  The more of a thorn in the side you become, the more likely the dentist will comply.  Personally, I don't like having to be aggressive unless necessary, as I can be very hostile and intimidating, and it isn't who I want to be.

Having stated that, when I need to be that way, I don't hesitate.  I had some issues with the prior dentist that made my partials.  After discussing my concerns with him and being ignored, I went over his head and contacted the company that owned the chain he worked for.  I had gathered a list of complaints from other patients, and stated how poorly the dentist's work reflected on the company.  The one thing no dental practice wants is a bad reputation, and within a couple of weeks, the cost of my partials was refunded.

Though the refund did not include the extractions, I had enough returned that I could begin saving for a new set.  Don't give up, everyone has a weakness and a breaking point, it is only necessary to find it.  We all stand behind you!

David
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Had my permanent dentures last week. Feels good no problem at all. Eating mostly every thing now. You will get there and will notice big difference with your second set
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David Hahn

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Despite the fact I don't really like having my picture taken and I am not exactly talented at selfies, I opted to take a close-up picture of my permanent dentures in place.  As you can see, they fit very well, and look like natural teeth.  Even the gum line is contoured to appear natural.  Keep in mind I'm intentionally opening my mouth wider to provide a better view, I don't naturally smile like a psychopath.

Of course, with my mouth open this wide and being so close, it might be evident they are dentures.  However, they are indistinguishable from real teeth from a normal distance while eating, speaking, or smiling.  Compared to my immediate/temporary dentures, there is a huge difference in both fit and appearance!  This is not the kind of picture I would have been willing to take with my temporary set, so in the end you should be pleased with you permanent ones!

David

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Susan Ozturkler

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I totally get that part about smiling. I never was a smiler and even showing my teeth now is very difficult.
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David, they look great! Congratulations and keep on smiling!
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David Hahn
David your teeth look great
Totally natural
Not one negative
Barbara
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Thanks Barbara, I appreciate your response and candor!  I know how worried I was about how my permanent dentures would look, so I figured the least I could do was share the outcome to reassure others of a positive outcome.
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Hi David I’m on my 6th day with my temperary dentures uppers and lowers it hurts to where them my gums feel like there more swollen miserable thanks Rod
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I'm sorry to hear that rod, the first month with temporary dentures was very difficult for me as well.  I had a lot of swelling, so much I was put on an anti-inflammatory steroid twice until it finally subsided.  Hang in there, it will improve!
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rod

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Thanks David I appreciate you contacting me back
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David Hahn

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Sure rod!  I completely understand, and want to help anyway I can.  Temporary dentures are a rough ride, especially that first month.  Just be sure to go back to the dentist for any sore spots you get.  I'm on week 2 of my permanents and I have one of those on the top right.  Just a little one, but it will get worse if not addressed.

Try Ibuprofen for the swelling, and if that doesn't help, check with your dentist.  Some people are more prone to it depending on a lot of factors.  For me, the first month I looked like a chipmunk/horse with my temps in due to all the swelling.  However I'd say by the third week I noticed the worst of the pain subsiding.  I used to joke with my father and do the Mr. Ed.."Wilbuuurr" imitation.  A sense of humor helps.

Often dentists don't prepare us for just how rough it really is going to be.  If I'm right, you are on day 8, one day over a week.  By 14 days you should notice a lot of the swelling is gone.  By three weeks, you should be able to start eating soft foods (my first challenge was mac&cheese, SO good after weeks of soup and Ensure).  Go with what you are comfortable with, and go slowly.  

Once you fully adjust, you should be able to eat nearly everything you used to, sans sticky candies and the like.  Until that point, you'll find cutting everything up helps.  Even though I can bite down just fine with my permanent dentures, I still have the habit of cutting up sandwiches from doing it for so long.

I know it can be VERY depressing at times.  Nonetheless, looking back I wouldn't have changed my choice.  I am no longer in constant pain, no one can tell I have dentures, and they are quite functional.  Was it a long road, oh my yes!  However, we are all here to help you!

David
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THANKS DAVID... I AM ON DAY THREE WITH AN UPPER IMMEDIATE... MINE HURT ON THE SIDES BUT MOTRIN IS HELPING ME,AND SALT RINSES
DID YOU LEAVE YOUR TEMPS IN AT NIGHT OR?
 I AM SO HAPPY I FOUND THIS WEBSITE...I WILL KEEP READING THE POSTS...SO THANK YOU EVERYONE..GOD BLESS YOU ALL....SANDRA
PS HAVE A DENTAL APPT TOMORROW MORNING..
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I had all mine out in January. Is it normal to have a tooth come through as now got tooth ache. Also I can feel the tooth
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Just some humor for the group, as well as evidence that permanent dentures are indistinguishable from real teeth:

I was out shopping at Sam's Club the other day for my father and I.  If you are familiar with that store, they often have salespeople pushing various products.  In this case, it was a "Water-Pik Flosser", and the salesperson was very pushy.  I tried to make a wide turn to avoid her, but she stopped me and gave me her speech, and complimented me on my "nice teeth".  I thanked her, politely declined her offer, and said I did not need her product.

She was quite intent on making a sale, so she tried a high-pressure psychological trick as she pursued me.  She put on a worried face and said, "Don't you want to take care of your nice teeth?!"  Mildly frustrated at her refusal to accept the fact I wasn't interested, I replied "But ma'am, I do take extremely good care of my teeth.  I take them out, brush them, and soak them in Efferdent every night!"  

Her head dropped and she quickly headed back to her kiosk area.  A woman who was close by absolutely lost it and started laughing.  She came up to me and said, "That was the best response I ever heard young man.  I have dentures too, and would have never thought to say that!"  I smiled and told her I wasn't ashamed that I had them, but I sure was annoyed at the salesperson hounding me and wanted to deter her from pursuing the matter further.

Usually I can avoid the salespeople when they are out and about.  Most of the time it is some guy selling cutlery.  Regardless, I made the best of that situation, and managed to get a laugh out of it.  Obviously, my dentures are indistinguishable from real teeth, so there is no need for me to feel self-conscious.  I hope those of you reading this enjoy the story, and are able to get a good laugh out of it!

David
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This cheered me up, am on second week with permanent dentures already eating snicker bars and chicken drum sticks. Mine look like normal teeth except the front behind bit. Has no bite just slopes. Thinking of sanding them down myself as can not eat normal sandwich. I can eat everything else any ideas welcome
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Haha.. That's a good one!
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Hi Tracy, I'm glad I could cheer you up a bit.  I certainly hope you are able to sort things out so you can eat more foods in due time.  The only issue I have is with thin leafy greens that get stuck to the upper palate.  I always take a drink immediately after to try to get it loose, which usually works.

As far as sanding them down, sometimes a DIY is necessary (last resort) if a dentist can't or won't do the work.  I went through a lot of that back when I had partials (that dentist was useless).  If it comes to that, keep modifications minor until you can get a good grinding surface on the back.

Hope that helps!
David
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I have "teeth envy" now that I have dentures! Every time I look at anyone in public, on TV, who have beautiful teeth, I wonder if they are real and if so, wish I had such perfect real teeth!  Then I remind myself, my teeth are real and perfect and MINE!  I paid for them and have the reciept! LOL!
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Hello, my denture friends! Sorry, it has taken me so long to update my denture saga. I took my denture to a different dentist. I explained what had gone on up until that point. He put my dentures, took it out, put it in, stood back and said, " I have no words for what this thing is!" He got right to work trying to fix it. When he was finished it fit my mouth better than it ever had, there was even some suction where none had been. Progress. I had forgotten my lower denture that day, so I would have to go back. When I got home and put the lower one in .. well as you will see its no wonder it never fit. But this story goes on. More to follow.
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Now for the rest of the story. If you recall the dentist that made my initial denture and was in a hurry to charge me for a permanent set. He had also agreed to refund any money spent on the permanent set. What follows is my appeal letter to the insurance company and the Smiles Generation Credit Card has already credited my account and has opened an investigation into Foothills Smiles.


On 02/23/18 I had my teeth removed and an immediate denture placed at Foothills Smiles LLP. The denture was partially paid for with my last years (2017) insurance plan at Met Life. The remainder was billed to Delta Dental on 02/23/18.

The denture has never fit my mouth and has been 100% unusable by me. I have gone in 5 times for adjustments with no change in the outcome. Dr. Jarvis explained to me that these initial dentures were “healing” dentures and were only to be used until “permanent” dentures were made. He told me how they were far more detailed and would fit my mouth better. This was his solution after the 5th attempt to correct the denture had failed. Since this was all new to me, I trusted what the Dentist was telling me.

I was then presented with a bill for the “permanent” denture that I was surprised to see; I thought I had already paid for all of this. I was again assured that this was the correct next step. Since I was not prepared to pay for a second denture, Foothills Smiles opened an account for me with Smile Generations. They were billed 1999.20 for a denture. I have since found out that Delta Dental was billed that same day for an upper and lower denture.

It was not until I started doing some research and talking to others with dentures on a forum site, DentureLiving that I started to question what was happening next. I went back to see the Dentist and explained my concerns about a second denture. Why would I have him make a second one when he could not get the first one to fit? He understood explaining that he would refund any monies spent on the second denture thus far. That was 04/06/2018.

I have since found out that all adjustments associated with the first denture were to be included in the initial cost for up to 6 months. It seems that between my out of pocket payment and the payment made by Delta Dental for these adjustments that a refund is in order. It was not until I received an EOB from Delta Dental explaining why the claim was denied because adjustments were included in the initial charge, and have been wrongly charged.

I am requesting that all money paid to Foothills Smiles be fully investigated and refunded where possible.


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Susan Ozturkler

Good for you Susan
I am so impressed by everything you did
Don't  stop  until  you get all your money due you and the insurance company BACK

If you paid anything by credit  card you can ask the credit card company to reverse the payment so that you get that money back quickly

Isn't it amazing that the second dentist saw what was wrong immediatley.

If for any reason your  complaint  does not get all your money back you still have options to get the balance back and we can talk about that if you do not get what you feel you are entitelled to

Do you think that being on this forum helped you speak up for yourself?
Do you think being on it helped you?

Please keep us informed on your progress
It would be good also to post all your charges for the dentures and the extractions

Way to go Susan
Barbara
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Hello Denture buddies,

I'm still waiting on the appeal from my insurance co. but at least I have done my part in trying to get some of this money back. That being said I am still without functional teeth. I try to put on a happy face for my husband but this has been nothing short of a nightmare. I make dinner, or anything to eat for that fact and the night goes to hell in a handbasket. I try, really I try to eat anything other than mash potatoes and I am screwed. I pretend to eat dinner with him because that's what we have always done but in reality, I feel like a little kid trying to hide the food that I can't eat. I see what others have had to go through and realize I am not alone in having dentures that you can not use. =(
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Hi  Susan Ozturkler
Aside from your appeal to your insurance company you can send a letter to your dentist asking for your money back and asking him to respond with in 7  days  other wise you will sue
This is called a "Demand Letter"   (look it up on the internet ) and it must be sent before any one sues
You can go to small claims court and sue for approx $5,000
Usually a dentist will try to settle this with  you out of court
Let us know how you are doing??
Barbara
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Hello Denture buddies,

Update. The dental credit card that the dentist had charged $1999 to and not done any services at all for has been credited to the account and I am free and clear of any charges by them. Insurance is still waiting for documents from the DDS that did all of this; then the appeal can move forward.I met with a new dentist to look into another possible procedure. Its called "Click tight" and primarily provides implants that will click the denture into place providing greater support than I currently have as well as allowing me to remove the upper palate of the denture that causes me so much discomfort. I liked everything he had to say, and it seems like the only thing I can do short of a full arch implant. The big question I have is cost. They either put in 2 or 4 implants. Obviously, four is preferred. I suppose, but the difference between 2 and 4 is about $7000. I have pretty much convinced myself that this is what I need to do. Now its just a matter of finding money, so I might be toothless forever.
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To  Susan Ozturk

Good for You  You are doing everything right.   $7,000 is high for 2 implants  (and 4 IS better)
  
Negotiate with the dentist and ask him to do the  2 extra implants for $4,000 extra instead of $7,000
Everything is negotiable
Price your plan out at a dental school
Price it out at 2 other dentists  or consider going to Costa Rico for the whole thing for 1/2 the price
 
Keep up the good work and keep us informed
Good luck
Barbara 
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Hi Susan
You are saying:
"insurance is still waiting for documents from the DDS that did all of this; then the appeal can move forward." 

It is important that  your  insurance gets their money returned so you will be able to have the insurance cover you when you go to this new dentist

How is that moving along for you and are you still wearing these ill fitting dentures until you get new ones???
Barbara  
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Barbara, 
I am trying to wear the upper denture that the DDS made back in Feb but every day there are new challenges. I don't have any other option but to wear it until I can do something else.

So the DDS I went to see would charge me 15K for 4 in upper and lower as well as make new dentures to fit. If they dropped it to 2 upper and 2 lower the price was like $8500. I like your ideas and think I will set up some more appointments and check Mexico. They are close, I live in Phoenix.

thanks for all your input and help.
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Susan Ozturkler
Good you are  going to be OK

Costa Rica charges $3,500 to $4,500 for a clip  on secured with 4 implants and includes   the dentures so that would be 7,000 to $9,000 for uppers and lowers
in  total
You have to do your research to pick out an experienced implant dentist in Mexico or here.
Get a copy of your panagram or X rays from you dentist here.

You can become our Mexican expert and our clip on expert
Are you near a dental  college?
Good luck
Barbara
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 Hi Susan

This company (Dayo)  has a very informative site about Mexican implantologists  that they say are very experienced:

Below  is a list of the cost of Full Mouth Dental Implants in Mexico with Dayo Dental: 

 Full Mouth Implant Supported Dentures:

Cost per Full Arch Implants

  • Implant Dentures with 2 Implants: $3,200 – $3,860
  • Implant Dentures with 3 Implants: $4,050 – $5,040
  • Implant Dentures with 4 Implants: $5,220 – $6,020
Barbara
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Barbara, 

Thank you for the info on Mexico. I have been down there with a friend before that has some implants done and I know the Dentists down there have a lot of backing with their reputation. Its only about a 2 hr drive down there, I should probably just go down there and check it out. I'll let you know =)
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Hi Susan
So  that sounds really good
You are only  2 hours away from Mexico/ What could be better?  I think   the only problem would finding  someone who has some good experience with implants
Tell them you  are on a Dental blog and if you do well you will give them good feed 
back.  Is this Dayo place there a good referral ?

How much money   can you recoup on your first failed work?   You should get all your money back.
I think your story is ready for a happy ending
We need your input ans success story
Barbara
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Barbara, I just read this entire thread. It sounds like you have some experience with all of this. Our insurance paid a portion of my bill for my extractions and then we paid $1700 our debit card, which in turn came out of our bank account. I was very naive going into this journey (and I usually check everything out before just jumping in), but I was in such agony for so long with my teeth, my daughter had a great experience with this dentist, but I didn’t listen to my gut instinct. I didn’t realize that Affordable Dentures was a very poor choice, after all, we paid for the top of the line, outside of doing implants. The teeth are pretty and I have no complaints about my upper, but they just can’t get the lower right and I have been told by the technician that it won’t ever fit properly. All they will do is a hard reline at the 6-9 month post E-day point (I am a little over 3 months now). I didn’t know there was a difference between immediate and permanent, I thought it was just a matter of doing a hard reline after your gums healed. My daughter just got her hard reline done and she’s happy, but she hasn’t had the issues that I have. There is a 7 year “warranty” on them. I told them when I went for my second soft reline that I wanted to see the dentist, but the technician said he wasn’t in. I left in tears. I feel like an idiot, because I check reviews on everything before purchasing it (you would think I would have done that with something as important as this). I screenshoted the demand letter above in case I need to go that route. Do you have any other advice? Any advice is much appreciated. I am so grateful that I found y’all here
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Barbara, I just read this entire thread. It sounds like you have some experience with all of this. Our insurance paid a portion of my bill for my extractions and then we paid $1700 our debit card, which in turn came out of our bank account. I was very naive going into this journey (and I usually check everything out before just jumping in), but I was in such agony for so long with my teeth, my daughter had a great experience with this dentist, but I didn’t listen to my gut instinct. I didn’t realize that Affordable Dentures was a very poor choice, after all, we paid for the top of the line, outside of doing implants. The teeth are pretty and I have no complaints about my upper, but they just can’t get the lower right and I have been told by the technician that it won’t ever fit properly. All they will do is a hard reline at the 6-9 month post E-day point (I am a little over 3 months now). I didn’t know there was a difference between immediate and permanent, I thought it was just a matter of doing a hard reline after your gums healed. My daughter just got her hard reline done and she’s happy, but she hasn’t had the issues that I have. There is a 7 year “warranty” on them. I told them when I went for my second soft reline that I wanted to see the dentist, but the technician said he wasn’t in. I left in tears. I feel like an idiot, because I check reviews on everything before purchasing it (you would think I would have done that with something as important as this). I screenshoted the demand letter above in case I need to go that route. Do you have any other advice? Any advice is much appreciated. I am so grateful that I found y’all here
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Karen I am so sorry.  You will have to go from you are
right  now

Forget about what you think you did wrong and go forward

I believe you should send the demand letter and send it certified return receipt   requested  and end it now
It does not have to be a masterpiece but say what you  have to say
Forget about them they are going to do nothing for you

Tell them just as  you said that  the bottoms do not fit and you are in pain.  Are the tops all right???
What kind of work is on the bottom jaw   
Say  something is radically wrong and want a refund other wise  you are going to sue and post your problems with them wherever you can in addition to to complaining  to the dental association and suing them

I would ask your insurance company for assistance at the same time??? 
Write to your insurance company and tel them the work is inferior (attach your demand letter) and ask them for assistance
I do not know how insurance companies handle this  but give it a shot

Now all this is a lot of work and effort   Try to get some help with it .   It is to difficult for you but you must try your best   The letter does not have to be a masterpiece but you must say everything
  
The dental place will probably call you in and try to make some adjustments and if they do that just see if it works because the court will want to see that you gave them every opportunity to make this right

If they give you a refund they also have to give you back or the insurance company back what the insurance paid for also
You can do this,   You have to be brave and fight for your self
Please let us know step by step what is going on
Actually  I don't know what they did  on the top jaw and how many implants etc that Affordable has done

Do you have your original contract with them??
Good luck
Barbara
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Karen in thinking this over I think it would be a good idea to call your insurance company and ask them for assistance

Tell them the dental  work has been terrible and you are in pain and Affordable   will not do anything to help you and you would like a refund and have your work done properly   at another dental place     See if they will help you??
Tell them Affordable   has multiple complaints against them on the internet etc
Barbara
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I am down with the flu (great timing,right?) but I think in the end that’s what I’m going to have to do. I just need to get past this fever so I have a clear head. I had my upper teeth pulled 36 years ago, but got a new upper at the same time that I got my lower teeth pulled. I just started having issues with the top. I actually got a lump on the roof of my mouth from it rubbing wrong in some way. That never happened to me with my old one. So, until I get over this awful flu I am wearing my old upper (as worn down as it is), it’s better than having my mouth hurt on top of being sick. I figure as soon as I get better I am going to call them, explain AGAIN that my lower is useless and the problem I’m having with my upper and at least go in one more time. One of my daughters has no problem speaking her mind and she is going to go with me. I will update after I have given them this one, last ditch effort to redeem themselves. Thank you for your feedback, I appreciate it so very much!
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I am down with the flu (great timing,right?) but I think in the end that’s what I’m going to have to do. I just need to get past this fever so I have a clear head. I had my upper teeth pulled 36 years ago, but got a new upper at the same time that I got my lower teeth pulled. I just started having issues with the top. I actually got a lump on the roof of my mouth from it rubbing wrong in some way. That never happened to me with my old one. So, until I get over this awful flu I am wearing my old upper (as worn down as it is), it’s better than having my mouth hurt on top of being sick. I figure as soon as I get better I am going to call them, explain AGAIN that my lower is useless and the problem I’m having with my upper and at least go in one more time. One of my daughters has no problem speaking her mind and she is going to go with me. I will update after I have given them this one, last ditch effort to redeem themselves. Thank you for your feedback, I appreciate it so very much!
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Posted by MAR
The medical facility is in Cancun Mexico. I did my own research online and have a friend that lives in Arizona close to the Mexican border. She told me that a lot of Americans go to Mexico to get their teeth done. So after I looked at all the reviews I picked Dayo Dental. There’s Sota Dental and others, but the reviews were scary. So, when I went to Cancun, the surgeon took a 3D scan and told me that I could get 6 implants on both arches. The more support for your permanent hybrid bridge is better, and that means a full set of teeth Vs all on four will support less. They picked me up for all of my appointments, and I had to get a full physical which showed that I had very high blood pressure. I was impressed with the level of care that they gave me. I got full sedation because I really didn’t want to hear or know what’s going on. Dr. Carrasco uses your own blood /plasma instead of bone graft to promote bone healing. I’m still reading more about this procedure called PRP. 

It took about 6 hours, since I had to get 12 implants and extracted all of my teeth. I woke up with an immediate denture to wear for 24 hours. The next day, I went back for an X ray and to see my progress. I stayed for a week after surgery to make sure I’m ok. I saw the surgeon everyday that week and he would adjust the denture almost daily because the swelling would go down and they would start hurting me. This is the part I hated the most! The swelling was terrible, and no amount of pain meds made me feel better. The good thing is that the worst part only lasted 4 days, and by the fifth day, I started to feel a lot better. He did a soft resign on my last day and I was on my way back home. Unfortunately, my dentures are starting to hurt and become loose. I bought some adhesive, so I’ll start that but I’m afraid because I still have stitches. 

I hope I covered everything. So, the teeth are permanent, but I can’t have them screwed in until the implants are healed.That will take about 4 to 6 months. I have to wear these dentures until I go back to Mexico for my permanent teeth. The all on six implants with everything I just mentioned including sedation costs $25,000 for a full mouth restoration, so all 12 implants, scans, sedation, physical, airport and appointment pick ups, bone grafts, temporary and permanent dentures is all included in the price. I only paid 60% this time, and I’ll have to pay the rest when I go back. Unfortunately, the airfare, hotel, medicine, and everything else is not included. I found great deals online and Mexico is really cheap unless you’re going to do the tourist thing in Cancun, which I didn’t. My hotel was $35 a day, and my airfare was $300. I don’t want anyone doing what I just did until I fully complete the procedure. I don’t mind being the guinea pig

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Below is fron the internet:

An implant-supported denture is a type of overdenture that is supported by and attached to implants. A regular denture rests on the gums, and is not supported by implants. An implant-supported denture is used when a person doesn't have any teeth in the jaw, but has enough bone in the jaw to support implants< /b>.

Implant-Supported Denture Article | Dentures & Dental Implants ...

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How did you Mexican dental implants work out???
We are waiting to hear
Barbara
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How much does a Snap-on Denture Cost in Mexico?
DestinationCost   
Los Algodones                               $2,600
Tijuana                                                600
Cancun                                          $2,000

quote from for the latest prices and specials.


What is a Snap on Denture?
  • A snap on denture is a type of overdenture that is attached to an implant instead of the gum.
  • This device is used when you lack any teeth in the jaw but do not have enough jaw bone to support implants.
  • Snap on dentures can be removed easily.
  • There are two types of snap on dentures: bar-retained and ball-retained.
  • Both types of denture are made of acrylic material, which imitates the appearance of gums, along with porcelain or acrylic teeth that do not look artificial at all.
  • A minimum of three dental implants are required in case of bar-retained dentures.
  • In case of ball retained dentures, the minimum number of implants required is two.
  • Alternative names: Snap on smile, snap in dentures, implant supported dentures, and implant supported overdentures.
Why Choose Mexico for Implant Supported Dentures?

Some of the advantages of getting snap on dentures in the North American country are as follows:

  • Pay only about 30% of the US prices.
  • Choose a Mexican border town, such as Tijuana or Los Algodones, and cut down further on travel time and costs.
  • Other major Mexican cities too such as Cancun and Puerto Vallarta are well connected with regular flights to and from the US and Canada.
  • Most of the cities have their own international airports.
  • Additionally, the border towns are not very far from American airports.
  • Our dental clinic professionals are English-speaking; hence you won’t have to countenance any language problems.
  • You can get same-day service in Mexico for getting dentures over implants. In other words, it is not difficult to get an appointment and patients are rarely put on a waitlist.
About Dental Clinics We Work With


Los Algodones
  • Been providing quality dental care since 1985
  • Receives over 2,500 patients annually
  • 17 dental specialists with experience ranging between 5 and 30 years
  • Serves patients primarily from the US and Canada
  • Dental specialists have undergone refresher courses at the Harvard School of Dental Medicine, International Center of Laser Education, Indianapolis, and Mega’Gen Implants Factory in Seoul
  • Kavo Everest CAD / CAM technology
  • American Dental Association (ADA) member
  • Full 2-year warranty for any kind of dental work
  • On-site fully equipped dental laboratory
  • Stay at the only hotel in the border town at special tariffs (as low as $30 per night)
  • All payment modes accepted – cash, traveler’s and personal checks, debit/credit cards, and money orders
  • Free phone calls to the US and Canada
  • Internet access
  • Well appointed waiting area
  • Free parking facility

Special Promo: Get FREE hotel stay with dentures on dental implants in Los Algodones if the cost of your dental work exceeds $1,000.

Tijuana
  • Largest dental facility in Tijuana
  • 90% of the patients are from the United States and Canada
  • Been providing quality dental care since 1974  


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