Editable posts possible?

Is it not possible for the poster to edit content she has already posted?
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  • I’m wanting this fixed
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    I would like to be able to edit or delete any posts or comments. I always make typos and don't want to have those permanently hanging around.

    I would also like to be able to edit which aspects can see a post. Right now it looks like I need to delete a post and re-post it to change from one aspect to many or to public.
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    Yep, gotta agree. Deleting and reposting is not a viable solution as it breaks the "likes" and replies.
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    What about editing, what about typos? What about to change my mind?
    I'd like to edit my posts, comments and status updates.
    Deleting on DIASPORA is now possible. Why not 'edit my post'?
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  • Hi everyone,
    Thanks for your feedback!
    Right now Diaspora doesn't allow for editing comments. Editing comments creates a sticky situation. If I create a post or a comment and people like it, I could then change it to something else. Currently if you want to edit a post or comment, you have to delete it and then create a new one.
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    • Yes, most edits I (find I can't) make would take place immediately after I post and notice something wrong. Please allow editing until someone likes!!
    • I don't think that this is a serious reason not to allow posts to be edited.

      On my blog, at wordpress.com, there is no limitation on my ability to edit a post, and so it would be possible for me to (unscrupulously) edit a post to say something completely different. I've never heard of any complaints about such behaviour, though.

      However, unlike Wordpress, Diaspora gives users an effective remedy to this. We have the ability to unlike posts we have previously liked, and remove our comments. Particularly if this was combined with some form of update notification system, I can't see it being a huge problem.

      In the end, the arguments for this (user freedom and enhanced functionality) are much stronger than the arguments against.
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    Allow editing of comments within X minutes of positing; if you feel it necessary, require explanation text. Typos are annoying and should be correctable!

    This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
    Let us edit for typos in our comments..
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    Right, currently if we want to edit a post or comment, we have to delete it and then create a new one. We would like to be able to edit our comments instead.

    If I like a post and it is later edited by the author, I would rather be notified of the edit *than* [edit: Oof, I didn't see this extra word or 3 days!] and have the option of unliking the comment. Someone liking a post should not be a bar to correcting typos or editing a thought.

    I've seen so many posts and comments where someone made a typo or forgot to add a hashtag and the choppy attempts to modify the original post where it would have been much cleaner and clearer to allow the edits.
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    @Dan Goldenberg
    i See the point. But ...
    1. there is no comment and no people like it: edit is possible
    2. there is a comment or I LIKE: see @Ghidora solution: notify them

    Case 1 should always be possible.

    cheerio
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    I'm a professional writer and I tweak 95% of my posts after I've hit the Share button. Perhaps I've noticed a typo; perhaps I've thought of a better way to phrase something to communicate my thoughts ... for whatever reason, editing is absolutely necessary to me. It's a deal breaker if it isn't present.

    I like Ghidora's idea of edit notifications. They should be enabled by default in Settings with the option to turn them off.

    Many thanks for all your efforts!
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    One way could be to visually add 'last edited {time}' to the post.
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  • Personaly I think we should be given some number of minutes like 30 or 60 minutes to be able to edit a post or a comment, after that it's blocked, except for being able to delete the posts, we should be able to delete our posts.

    I knew a forum who did that where you had an hour to edit or delete a post and after that it was frozen, it was to prevent trolls to be able to edit or delete inflammatory posts and avoid getting banned.
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    • I agree with this, Kevin. I have never had a problem with edited posts on LiveJournal in over a decade there, and it doesn't even note that they've been edited.
    • I would certainly think best case is let folks have control over their data, including editing it at any point. Worst case scenario would be the Digg style of editing for a limited time. Although the amount of time needs to be longer than Digg allows, IMHO.
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    A delete and repost produces the same problems as an edit. If you delete a post it disappears and all the replay to your comment don't make sense. You read this comment and can't understand why this was writren.

    I support instead of this delete and repost, the idea to allow to edit AND to have the possibility to look to the old version.
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    Could A spell-checker could be incorporated to correct typos and those who comment/like be notified when the author edits her post?
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    Personally I would like to be able to blog with my diaspora page and not sure if that is possible right now since I just signed up today. If not, perhaps it will be something they will include. This is important for me to own blog content and I hear blogger which is now bought up by google is not going to be supported, it never felt like it was much supported any how. So folks will be looking for blog alternatives and one thing I would do is to update a posting as to progress on a topic rather than have upteen postings about the same subject. The argument for deleting instead of editing is poor. For instance I would track BMI over several months so you could see the progress. There is always the possibility that an account can be hacked and content changed. That is always possible so to prevent editing because of possible content change is a poor excuse. If the like button could signal content change would give heads up for liker to see the changes would be one way to give someone the chance to unlike if they don't like the changes. I concur with the idea that the whole point is to own and control content with diaspora and well editing is a huge way to do that.
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    I like the idea of having a time limit to edit a post, only 30 minutes or so. That way, you wouldn't be tempted to constantly tinker with it, but could fix misspellings or incorrect links, etc. This would also allow you to change with whom you want to share the post; it doesn't have to go as far as Facebook's in-line sharing settings, but if I accidentally send a post to Public that I only wanted to share with Family, I could fix this with a quick edit rather than deleting and reposting.

    Just my $0.02.
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  • To change the visible range of a post is dangerous. If someone commented it as it was restricted and the range is changed to a wider area then this comments are visible to persons the commenter don't wont. So this new feature of Facebook is again an example how they ignore the privacy of the users.
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    As noted above, this is a big issue to many of us.

    Diaspora is Open Source, and we have control over our data, except to fix spelling and grammar errors?

    This does not make sense. Sure some could abuse it as noted (changing after someone liked it), however, users will learn soon enough who those people are that change the whole meaning of what they post and they just won't like their stuff anymore.

    I would think that as Open Source software, it would be best to allow people to have full control over their data to edit postings and comments, even if deleting isn't wise in the scheme of things for postings at least. Certainly should be able to delete comments.
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    I say allow for indefinite editing of comments. I realize this would allow the original poster to change the content of the post even after people have liked it. But so what?

    First, create a notification back to the person that liked it to give them the option to check it out and unlike it. Furthermore, if a person makes a habit of creating posts and then changing them drastically, people will stop liking their posts in general. It's an issue that solves itself, really, once the edit feature is enabled.
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  • I’m hopeful.
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    Editable posts and comments is one thing Google+ got right. We should err on the side of giving users the freedom and the power to do what they want. The vast majority of the people will act appropriately and not abuse these features. The way to foster a lively, free-flowing community is to trust that the people will do the right things, rather than try to preempt every "sticky situation" with restrictive tools.

    Please allow editing of both posts and comments!
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    Kevin Kleinman wrote about this topic in the Diasporial blog, here:

    Editing posts and comments – to add it or not?

    Do go vote in the poll on the sidebar.

    The github post is here.
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  • I’m waiting for this to be fixed...
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    As far as I'm concerned, the option to edit both posts and comments is absolutely essential for all the reasons already enumerated above.

    In fact, since Diaspora is all about freedom from 3rd party control, I'm shocked this feature wasn't built in the from the beginning, and I won't be using Diaspora unless/until this feature is available....

    Very disappointing....
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  • I’m excited for data
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    As far as I am concerned an edit notification to users who have liked, shared, or otherwise promoted a post more than covers the possibility of the post being maliciously changed. I don't think there is a need to place a limit on the duration of editability, especially since there is no knowing when new information may surface about a post or an inaccuracy found.

    Having said that, ideally, what I would like to see is a change log so that if a post is edited I, and others, can see what changes were made and when. Of course, part of this is the infinitely curious and data hungry side of me that wants to be able to monitor and analyze such occurrences to tease out meanings from the patterns of such changes. I would love to be able to programmatically analyze post changes and discover reasons and meanings in the changes. What was changed? How long after the original post? How many times was the post changed? What words, when misspelled, are most likely to be fixed? etc, etc.

    Another reason that I would like to see this is because I can be a little bit... obsessive, depending on my mood, and sometimes wish to go back and edit the terminology and phrasing on a post that is sometimes a year or more old. This may be because it still gets referenced by others or simply because it still holds meaning to me. At the same time I would like to be able to preserve the historical accuracy of the post and a change log is a great way to do that.

    If you disagree feel free to tear me to shreds. I just thought I would share my thoughts. :-P
    • I totally agree with the first paragraph from MMcCubbing and partly agree with the rest. Meaning yes, there should be a log of when any changes are made with the date, but what those changes are may be asking a bit much, don't you think? It's likely difficult enough to do editing across pods as it is. ;-) Maybe not, I don't know. I don't do programming for this type of thing, especially across a distributed network.
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  • This reply was removed on 2011-10-14.
    see the change log
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    As soon as some kind of text markup was offered on Diaspora* (big fonts, bold, images, hyperlinks, etc.), there was a need for preview and/or editing. That's why you won't see Facebook users asking for this feature so loudly (and indeed, you don't feel the need for it on FB)...

    But nothing is worst than finding a typo (or a bug in the way Markdown parsed your entry - which can be pretty often), and being unable to edit it :-(
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    I like the idea of simply adding an addition to an edited post's timestamp, for example:

    "about 10 hours ago" -->
    "posted 10 hours ago, edited 1 hour ago"

    Since comments also have a timestamp, readers could see when a comment was made before an edit to the main post. (Likes however, do not have a timestamp.)

    This keeps it simple: “When building a new feature, first create the simplest thing that works.” http://blog.diasporafoundation.org/20...

    Timestamps might need to become more explicit:
    "posted about 1 months ago, last edited 1 months ago" -->
    "posted 9/15/2011, last edited 9/16/2011"

    Maybe add time as well as date? This gets into complexity about which timezone people are in, what date format to use, etc.

    If/when you wanted to go beyond the simplest thing that works, a notification to everyone who commented or liked a post might be good too. If you wanted to go all out, you could give the person editing the post a box where they could describe the edit ("fixed a typo") and that could be included in the notification so people wouldn't feel the need to go check their comment if it was a minor post (and they trusted the person who posted it). And of course a full history of a post would be cool. But these are definitely beyond the simplest thing that could work.

    (I wish Kevin had included "edit with timestamp" in his poll. This allows unrestricted editing, but is transparent about it when it happens.)
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  • I’m hoping for a working compromise
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    Notifying people and maintaining a time log are a nice idea, in theory, but what happens for the poor subscribers to my posts when they discover how often I fine-tune, tweak and otherwise edit my posts?

    The time log would soon be longer than the original post, and they would drown in the flood of notification messages as all changes are made.

    Why isn't it sufficient simply to:
    -- note once at the foot of the content "this post has been edited from the original" and then...
    -- link this text to a separate screen view with:
    ` the original posting date/time
    ` the edited dates/times

    This strategy provides the editing function so many of us (writers) want, and it notifies those who are curious/interested of content changes without inundating readers/subscribers with meaningless log/tracking messages.
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    • Thanks for sharing this excellent example! Looks like this could be quite doable....Hope Diaspora will reconsider their position on this issue!
    • Yes I hope this changes. I will not use Diaspora unless it includes this eventually. Why do other people's opinion on editing and rich text editing affect everyone? Can't they choose to conform everyone for their own viewing, but leave the customization available for people who want more permanent communication styles? This Could be more similar to a BBS, or AIM, or even smart phones...where you can choose what conversations you actually want to stay up... I hate that everything I say floods away with time.. life is already like that. I liked the internet originally because I can wait to reply, think of a response I'd actually want to give.

      Computers wait for events to happen. They do not exist in time. Why should we try to accomodate its bias of time when we use it? Our minds are on the sun + night's time, not the computers. You guys are locking in decisions too quickly. Let's think about this for a longer time before we decide. We're not a business.
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    Why all the concern? I mean a notice to those who've liked or commented would be nice, but really, If someone was the type to radically change the content of their post to such an extent that you would feel compelled to remove your like, are they the type of person who would (a) matter, or (b) be someone you'd be following/responding to anyway?

    I just want to be able to fix the URL or a typo when I screw up.
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  • The ability to preview posts would also address a bunch of the concerns. If that's not possible, the ability to edit a post for a certain period of time, say 24 hours would also work.
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    • Previewing posts *might* be helpful, but when you're talking about usability and making a quick status post: "Hey , great game last night!" you don't necessarily want to preview that post.

      I think that there are really only two options that should be considered - whether to keep a log or simply note that that post/comment/etc. was edited. And which one to use really depends on how much benefit we think people will get from seeing the history of the post. My personal opinion is that simply marking the post as edited is sufficient, because most people won't really care about the history, and if someone doesn't want the history available, they'll delete the post and create a new one. Sure, you'll always have trolls that might try to take advantage of the ability to edit, but I suspect that the people who don't want the annoying drama will simply block the trolls. At least that's what I'd do, and encourage people to do if they complained about other people's behavior.
    • Amen. Couldn't agree with you more.

      Thanks for the clear, concise and well-considered summary, Wayne.
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    I'm interested. What developers think about this topic?
    Because I have a grate hope and this is the main issue which stops me from switching to Diaspora. If this is against their main idea I'll stop hoping and will enjoy with other services.
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  • I’m Concerned our pleas may be falling on deaf ears.....
    I agree with vinterneti: this issue was a complete deal killer for me, and unless we do have editing capability, I too, will "stop hoping" and will use other services.

    However, I wonder if the Diaspora team is even aware this discussion is continuing since this question was long ago marked as "Answered".

    Q. Is there anyone here from Diaspora who is reviewing this thread?

    Q. If so, is there any chance the Diaspora team will take our collective feedback into account in reconsidering the option of providing editing capabilities within Diaspora?
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    • This is only my opinion. This is my own demands for MY choice, not for developers. :-)
      I don't plan to share posts like "I had macaroni today". Any substantial post needs editing. That is why I don't use Facebook.
      This option is important for me. Why don't tell this to developers, they don't put feedback button with no reason.
    • I agree with you again, vinterneti. This request is by no means a "demand". It is simply an honest statement of preference upon which my usage decision will be based.

      Similarly, I don't use FB for the very reasons Birch Wind mentioned above.
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    So apparently the answer is we get a rev history sometime soonish. Meaning Di will be a bit more like WikiP. Not my favored solution but an honest solution nonetheless.
    This is a good example why OSource projects have such a hard time getting traction in their early stages of release.
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    Yeah, I don't want my old versions hanging around. I'd rather have the latest time stamp when I've made a change (or a record of all time stamps). If the mangled versions are still there, I'll delete and re-post, and that is annoying. I want to have control of my data. This history doesn't allow that.
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    Can I rich-text edit my posts?

    I don't like being constrained by the design of the overall site.

    Why should I care if someone wants to use comic sans? To conform the design to one style might better be personal business. I apprehend that the option to customize my VIEW of everything is of prime importance to how I perceive my whole social interaction.

    For example,,, I would want to see the choices made by the people who chose comic sans...that says something about their character, whether or not one thinks its a nice font is irrelevant to the other person's expression of hymself.

    The choices people make are important, it helps one identify who they are. En F'b your relationships begin to feel bland, sexy, but too equal. For me, it's ruined my ability to tell the difference between my friends! I left them when we all went to universities in separate parts of the country and now I can't seem to raise them out of the rough of community/family/friends...they're all lumped together. In non-simulated ordinary reality I think of them in different channels.

    @MeineWenigkeit "I'm okay with simple formatting options, but the most people would be irritated by such an editor and would abuse it. I'm very glad Diaspora doesn't look like this: http://www.dokimos.org/ajff/"

    "In matters of taste there can be no argument."- a giant sand worm

    Abuse is too subjective in a simulated environment. You can block people, or you could be able to conform all incoming messages. But do not use procedural rhetoric to force everyone to follow one design.

    Diaspora is open source. To me that is creating and building things not on our own but without mediators. And customizability is part of that lifestyle. We should let the overall design echo the features, the interactions of our actual social lives. Of course, some people tune out everyone..hence the conformed design of any entry into the "system of me". I wouldn't like to keep my irritations from ruffling me once in a while. It takes all kinds of people to make a world.

    And I just also wish to remind that user experience designers and web designers have all the power in persuasion in this communicative interaction (design, interface, all of the elements are the ecosystem). So (and i'm speaking for myself as well) we should respect them. At the same time, they should also respect us, because we're their constituency; The reason designers and web developers are able to run a collaboratory website is they have the people's trust and participation. On Facebook, this is betrayed by advertising and web2.0 "elegance and efficiency" conventions...what makes them so elegant and efficient?
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  • With such approach everything should be forbidden. And internet - at first.
    Because everything could be used with "evil intention".
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    This is such a simple matter. Someone called it a sticky situation if you edit a post people liked, or change it after someone commented... Simple answer: you can edit how much you want until it's been liked or commented on! It's about spelling and grammar errors, and I'd bet 99.9% of edits are within half a second of posting!
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