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  • If our heart rate monitors provide calories burned, stop recalculating them.
    Or at least let os choose if we want the recalculation.

    Your formula is way to high most of the times!
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  • I have to agree with Soren Reinke... your calculations Endo often seem to be overestimated for basic walks, and conversely under-estimated even when my HR has been higher and I've done harder terrain over the same distance and time... Hopefully you can look into these issues as we enjoy using your application and it would be a shame for these points to be overlooked when clearly it's affecting a lot of users.
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  • I had expected more of Endomondo. If a correct calorie calculation is not available shortly, I will switch training app.
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  • Other suggestions regarding the same problem.

    Endomondo overriding kalories measurement from Heart Rate Monitors, and also ignoring the puls rate.

    http://getsatisfaction.com/endomondo/...
    http://getsatisfaction.com/endomondo/...
    http://getsatisfaction.com/endomondo/...
    http://getsatisfaction.com/endomondo/...

    Please vote them all up, so the problem will get fixed :-)
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  • I’m mad
    Why can't we just manually edit this field already!?! I can't think of any other app that doesn't let you do this, as I pointed out forever ago:
    http://gsfn.us/t/2e694
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  • I’m frustrated
    I have an HRM (the endomondo app doesn't utilize it's readings, though) and so I know the calories I've burned. I manually add my elliptical workouts right now (since I don't like doing them with my phone) and I have to edit the time to get the calories burned right (usually adding more--it was actually under calculated, which is rare!). I can enter them manually in runkeeper. should I just remove data from my profile to let me manually enter them? although there may be instances I'd rather have the calculated calories than none at all. ugh.
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  • We can see that many of our users have strong feelings about the way we calculate the calories. We appreciate all your feedback and we are pleased to say that we have now started looking into more accurate ways of calculating the calories burned. The plan is to include measurements like weight, height, age, distance, time, speed, heart rate and more.

    Making the calorie calculation more precise has now become a priority on our development plan and we will bring any news regarding changes in calculation at this topic.
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    More precise calculation is fine, but let the USER decide if we want to use your calculation, or our heart rate monitors calculation, and make the field user editable.
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  • Would be possible to add some factors that increase or decrease the consumption of calories counter if you are traveling uphill or downhill, depending on the slope of the instantaneous path?

    (sorry for bad english)

    This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
    Calories counter.
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  • I’m annoyed
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    It seems like Endomondo, does not understand the problem!

    We want the site to USE the calculated calories sent from our heart rate monitors, not have you calculated it (very wrongly at the moment).

    Let the user choose if, we want your calculation or our heart rate monitors value!

    At the moment, the heart rate monitors number is used, until the second where you change stuff like type of sport.

    Sorry to say, but that really is BAD design, not usefull at all.
    No matter what you do, the heart rate monitors will always be able to calculate it more correctly than you are.
    • and I don't have a polar or zephyr HRM, but a new balance one, and it IS accurate because it has a chest strap. while I'm all for using the HRM's values, I don't think it would be fair to only take that from the ones that sync with endomondo, because there are other HRM companies out there. so having the option to type that in for those of us who have other HRMs would be awesome, too.
    • Id say only recalculate IF the gpx upload does not have the information in it!

      And then use a more current algorithm that will include HR....
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    It's a lot quicker to change a field type on the website to editable than to write and test new calculation algorithms. So why not make the field change immediately?

    And while you're about it, please do the same for cadence, which suffers from the same problem - other apps and devices calculate it better than Endo.

    It seems that it is going to take some time for the Endo apps to catch up, especially since these accuracy issues seem to have a low priority with you (as an example, the Endo apps use the gps for distance measurement even when an ANT+ sensor is being used). So, in the meantime, why not keep us happy by making these fields editable - if distance, time, heart rate, etc can be edited, then why not energy and cadence?

    Cheers, Alan.
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    For those of us who bought the Zephyr, we would very much like endomondo to take the HR into concideration when calculating the calories burned, as the zephyr itself does not do this. (same goes for polar BT I guess).

    Having additional variables, like up-hill, down hill etc. sounds to me to only be beneficial.
    " include measurements like weight, height, age, distance, time, speed, heart rate and more. " Sounds perfect :)
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  • Please note that the Pubmed article mentioned is available full text from many library systems, including the State of Florida's electronic library (for residents).
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    This website has all the equations to estimate/calculate burned calories from heart rate:

    http://www.shapesense.com/fitness-exe...

    As I have the Polar bluetooth heart rate monitor, which doesn't calculate anything but only sends the heart rate to the Endomondo phone app, I would love it, if Endomondo would take the heart rate into account, when calculating the calories burned. However this is only a good way of estimating burned calories when the user is working within 41% to 80% of his VO2-max.

    You could make it possible for the user to choose one of the following within the mobile app or the website:
    [1] Show calories burned based on gps data (distance, duration, climb) combined with the activity type and body info.
    [2] Show calories burned based on heart rate measurements from the connected bluetooth heart rate monitor combined with weight, age, height but WITHOUT VO2-max.
    [3] Show calories burned based on heart rate measurements from the connected bluetooth heart rate monitor combined with weight, age, height AND WITH VO2-max. (More accurate than [2], but this requires the app to be able to estimate the VO2-max - see further down)
    [4] Show an average of [1] and [2] OR [1]and [3].
    [5] User input of calories from the users own heart rate monitors with build-in calculation.

    As mentioned in [3], to include VO2-max requires the app/website to be able to estimate this. This could be done in several ways. I don't know which is more accurate:
    Cooper Test
    - http://sportsmedicine.about.com/od/fi...
    Bleep Test
    - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-st...
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  • Eva (Community Manager) November 10, 2011 13:28
    Hi all,
    thank you for the comments and suggestions.
    Let me inform you that the work on a new way of calculating calories is in progress but it is too soon to respond to your inquiries.
    I will get back to you as soon as I know more.

    Cheers, Eva
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    Hi Eva et al.
    Not everyone has a heart monitor, and the simple distance based calorie calculations are of no use. For example, on my regular commute I usually set endomondo to "Cycling, transport" and see about 635 kcal. Today I left it set to "Cycling, sport" and scored 1087 kcal for the same trip!

    In these activities it shouldn't matter which I choose. A similar case would be walking, fitness walking and running.

    For those who wonder "how hard can it be?", the endomondo team has to evaluate the formulas for 40-plus sports, taking into account heart monitors or not, distance, time, altitude change, weight, and possibly load carried, ambient temperature, star sign, etc, etc. All for a product I use for free.

    Considering what I paid (zero), I thinks it's a great product :-)
    -- Andy
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    • It's not that hard to get a better calculation, there is plenty of scientific literature on the subject - but all are only estimates and must be interpreted as such.

      Also, because many users will have access to better data, the value should be editable - that could be implemented in minutes.

      And yes, I accept it's free or very cheap (Pro), but if the objective is to attract and keep users then it is of the utmost importance that attention is paid to fixing the core issues. Ignore them and we will all drift away - its not as if there aren't plenty of alternatives now.

      Cheers, Alan.
    • Since I'm no longer following this topic, why do I keep getting emails about it. Does this mean I have to filter out all endomondo and 'getsatisfaction" email? Yes? Spammy much? Yes.
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  • I’m frustrated
    Getting this right has my vote!
    The stats are relly WAAAAAAY off on my summary. overinflated not by a percentage, but my several orders of magnitude!
    Should be 150, and comes thrus as 400+ - Cant possibly be right.
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  • Eva (Community Manager) December 16, 2011 14:03
    Hi all,
    the new way of calorie calculation will be introduced early January 2012.
    You can look forward to a more precise formula, also based on heart rate if you are tracking with a heart rate monitor.
    In case you import your workouts from some device containing calorie information, it will be possible to keep the imported calorie value even if you edit the workout.
    But I will get back to you with detailed information once we launch it.

    Cheers, Eva
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  • As of Monday 19 Dec 2011 my calories disappear when I change the type of workout from the default to Running and Mountain Biking. Any Ideas?
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  • I’m bummed out
    I just bought the pro version and then spent $100 on a zephyr hrm to discover that it does not increase the accuracy of calories burned. Can i get a ballpark timeline for when accurate calorie calculation will be added?
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    The problem I have with a generic calculation is this: I am an inline skater; I have gotten a LOT faster over the past year. So I can now cover 20 miles a lot faster than I did 6 months ago. However, even though I'm doing the same distance in less time; Endomondo shows that I burned FEWER calories than if it had taken me longer. That makes zero sense to me since my body is working twice as hard..?

    (I too, have the Zephyr HRM and thought it would factor into the calorie counts...)
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  • I walk in the mountains - at times quite steep, and other times I walk a similar distance along a relatively flat road - but the calories shown are not that different (even though I use walking/hiking). It is rather frustrating for us who walk and sweat very steeply upwards for 5 km to end up showing almost the same calorie use for someone who has walked the same distance but along a flat road... Any solution to this? Thanks

    This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
    more accurate calorie calculation....
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    • ok, thanks - I hope so. Had read through the questions and answers, but the one where someone asked about taking in to consideration how steep the walk is was not commented to. Hope you come up with a solution soon, as we have a challenge for 2012 that is based on calories used. So for those of us who press ourselves it's hard seeing someone sail past in the challenge from just walking long a road....
    • also to note - zumba exercise, for example, consumes between 400 and over 600 calories, and even more if you push yourself. But yet an hour of zumba comes up as under 300 calories on Endomondo......
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    It has been two months sense an update to this blog. What is the status of the heart rate and calorie calculation?? I am to the point now I am going to jump ship!

    V/r
    Frustrated
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  • just as an example - one was hiking only upwards - in part a pretty steep walk, whereas the other was a walk along a road after dinner, yet the program indicates similar amounts of calories burned. Hope the update you are working on will be able to take in to account elevation, pulse etc. The program is great for showing distance (although one of our group who has a HTC phone, has very strange readings for speed!) and the map is nice to see where you've gone. But for working out and competing it's disappointing. If you are able to iron out the major issues, I would be interested in the pro version. But not until then. Good luck finding an answer :-)
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  • Hi Eva,

    Any update on the release date for this new feature?

    Thanks.

    Speedy
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  • Hi

    I haven't found anything for gym workout so I have choosed Aerobics as a type (please put something for mixed Gym workouts - Cardio+Weights).
    I was surprised that calculated calories was about 500 for more thant 2 hours :D
    I'm burning almost the same amount while sitting near PC .

    Also i think there should be posibility to enter calories manualy for manualy created (not imported) workouts.
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  • Eva (Community Manager) January 26, 2012 12:29
    Hi all,
    let me give you some heads up on a new calorie calculation formula.
    We are now in a testing phase and we should be able to introduce it within 2 weeks.
    Cheers, Eva
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  • Hi

    I hope for at better calculation for Weight training! The calculater says about 228 Kcal per hour. Most books and internet pages says about 400 - 520 per hour (depending on weight and intesity).

    Thanks,
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  • I’m frustrated
    After cycling (Cycling Sport) My garmin 500 will show 1600kcals burned then when I import the garmin file to endomondo it shows 6500kcals burned...this is obviously massively wrong.

    Can anything be done to improve kcal reporting.

    This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
    Cycling Sport Kcals are off from what garmin reports after and upload.
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  • I’m frustrated
    I have a very regular cycling route. Endomondo calculates 2000 calories. Fitbit calculates 700. I'm going with Fitbit for now. Please let us know when the new algorithm is released because it doesn't seem like it's out yet.
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  • Is there any chance that knowledge of VO2 Max is going to get incorporated?
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  • without altitude differential or incline angle for data collected thru treadmills values cannot imho represent real calories.
    1km in same time burn different calories..
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  • Hi, I find that the calculation for weight training is way off. I end up having to put in 2 hours to bring the calories burned up to a reasonable amount.

    If you look at multiple sources you will see the light vs vigorous workout varies wildly. Would it be possible to make this an editable field or to have 2 categories of weight training (light/vigorous)?

    Thanks.
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  • I do a variety of cardio and weights in one session - my Garmin said I used up 1381 Kcal, but if I select 'weight training' as an option here it shows as only 408 Kcal - why not just use the data provided from my Garmin device???
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    How is the testing going? Im trying to decide on what app to use with a new heart rate monitor i bought and the biggest issue is if it uses heart rate information to help calculate calorie burn. I would like to use endo with my blackberry 9860 if the heart rate information is used.

    Just wondering what the status of this is?

    Thanks
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  • the new feature seems to be "installed"......... Thank you for hard work Endomondo, but i think the calculated calories are to high, excample run:

    10.94 km in 1h:20m with a Ø 146 Heart Rate
    with Heath Rate: calories burned 1092
    without Heart Rate 805 calories

    or
    9.08 km in 1h:16m with a Ø 133Heart Rate
    with Heath Rate: calories burned 884
    without Heart Rate 551 calories

    this is a increase of 30% - 50%.........i think this is a little bit to high.
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  • Hey Eva,

    Bungee seems to think the new calorie calculations accounting for synced HRMs is up and running. Can you confirm that that's true? Is it in both the free and pro versions? Could we get a run down of how it's working now?
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    Ah hah! Just found this on another thread. Looks like the new calculation has been added to the website so far, and will soon be out on the mobile apps. (hopefully *ver* soon.)

    from: https://getsatisfaction.com/endomondo...

    We have introduced a new calorie calculations on the website.
    The calories are now calculated based on the following data: body
    measurements (height, weight, age, gender), sport, distance, time, speed and
    heart rate. The more data you provide the more accurate we can calculate
    your calories burned.

    The calculation methods are based on ‘The compendium of physical activity’
    http://sites.google.com/site/compendi...
    and Keytel LR, Goedecke JH, Noakes TD, Hiiloskorpi H, Laukkanen R, van der Merwe L, Lambert
    EV. Prediction of energy expenditure from heart rate monitoring during
    submaximal exercise. J Sports Sci. 2005 Mar;23(3):289-97. PubMed PMID:
    15966347.

    If you import your workouts from other devices/files with calorie data, you
    have an option to keep the original calorie data when editing the workout.
    You just have to un-check the "Always update calories" box before saving the
    workout.

    Calories in the app are still calculated by our original simplified calorie
    formula, but the updated calorie calculations will be implemented soon in
    the app as well.
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  • I load my commuter bike pretty heavily, and since most of my rides are one version or another of my commute it would be nice to take the load weight into account. The bi.cycle Android app does this for me, and routinely comes up with a calorie count roughly double that of Endomondo.

    I find on the other hand that when I'm going for a distance ride on my half-recumbent (Bike-E) that the two apps come up with very similar calorie counts.
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  • I'm not sure the new calculations are correct. I did a walk the other day and the app had 368 calories burned and when I uploaded the walk it said I burned 660 calories.

    My bike ride a day earlier seemed correct when I uploaded it.
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  • I’m happy
    I mostly do weighttraining, biking, spinning, running and walking. for these workouts the calculations match what I find in other calculation-services. So I like the update!

    For future enhancements I hope that the hr can be used in percent of max rather than absolute hr values.
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    Simply making the calories editable would be enough for me (and many other, based on what I read).
    I can make good use of my heart rate monitor (which can't connect to Endo).

    I guess that mangling with the database could also help, but I'm not sure if the Endo server backend re-calculates or just uses the calories provided by the app...
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  • I’m confused
    Whaaaat?

    In summary
    Same time, same HR today as yesterday and Endomondo thinks I burned 418 kcal vs 252 kcal yesterday. What is going on?

    In some length
    I've been using my Zephyr heart rate monitor. It uploads to Endomondo and calculates kcal. I'm no expert, but it wasn't changing when I switched sports, so I assumed it was working. All was well.

    Yesterday:
    time: 29 min
    avg hr: 151
    max hr: 185
    kcal: 252 (updated to 455 after test editing 'sport')

    Today:
    time: 26 min
    avg hr: 154
    max hr: 184
    kcal: 418

    So...what happened in the last 24 hrs? It seems that either the kcal calcs were not working at all, or are now completely out of whack.

    For reference:

    Me:
    Female
    26
    Start Weight: 238.5
    Current Weight: 217.25
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  • I’m happy
    I have been using Endo with HRM for over a month since they introduced HRM based calculation and tallying the calories with two online calculators. So far, they seem to match. Either Endo's calculations are correct, or all three are using the same incorrect formula :-P

    http://www.shapesense.com/fitness-exe...

    http://www.braydenwm.com/calburn.htm

    I am not too concerned with accuracy - the relative values based on my intensity and average BPM are enough.
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  • Yeah, Endomondo's old calculations (as of yesterday) were with in a handful of calories of both of those sites. It's the change that I saw today that's confusing. I don't want to have to run them through some other calculator to get an appropriate estimate. Hopefully it's a glitch some developer pushed and when I wake up tomorrow the calcs will be back in order.
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  • And we're back! I clicked edit again, pressed save and we're back within a normal range. BIZARRE!

    New estimate is 237.
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    Generally there seems to be a lack of understanding about how energy expenditure (EE) is calculated. This is entirely understandable since it is a relatively complex calculation that relies on many different assumptions, and without having a Master's in Exercise Physiology one can't be expected to be familiar with the underlying principles.

    Perhaps what might help is realizing that the real accuracy of the calculation is not that important. I posted on this thread somewhere earlier about the varying degrees of accuracy of the different equations, and the limitations inherent in all of them. You should be ok with the fact that predicting EE from an app like Endo is reasonably accurate, but might be more or less depending on a lot of different things.

    Therefore the more useful element is not how accurate, but how reliable is the tool. For example, if I run 8km today in 40 min, and Endo says I burned 553 kcal, then how much does it say I have burned when I do the same route in the same time tomorrow? Given day to day (or really meter to meter) variations in GPS, if it is slightly different than the previous day, but reasonable close, then I have a good tool that estimates my EE.

    This probably means relative changes in my workouts will be meaningful----for example, if I then do a 10 km run at about the same pace, I will see I have expended a bit more energy. Just bear in mind that unless using heart rate to predict EE, changing the mode of activity can have a huge impact on the EE estimate.

    So it is a guide more than anything else. It is not an exact measurement, so approaching it as such will only cause you endless headaches trying to reconcile in your own mind why it is different than some other device or app that you incorrectly deem to be more accurate.

    I don't doubt Endo has some work to do tidying up the app, although personally find it pretty easy to use and generally a fine app. I don't get crashes, it is easy to navigate and is inherent, and there is lots I can do within the app before, during and after a workout. As a free or very cheap for the paid version, it has plenty of other features beyond estimating EE.
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    • Thanks, Maxi---I understand the "if you can't do it well, don't do it" argument. However, the point is that Endo's calc is as good/bad as any out there when it comes to the accuracy. If we apply that argument, then none of the devices should be predicting EE, or at least not until they can be 100% accurate. I think that is short sighted, because even thought it might only be 80% accurate, it is still useful if it is reliable.

      Because they are using data from the GPS, there will always be more margin of error until that technology is perfect, but generally on a day-to-day basis the error is the same. That makes for decent reliability.

      I also have read the comments here about being able to edit the fields in the workout, including the EE value. I have no view on that, I am an Exercise Physiologist, not an app developer! Personally I would never use that feature, and it seems like something that should be allowed, but will defer to the Endo team to weight in there!
    • Please note that I wrote "anyway, I do think that the EE is quite good".
      I agree with you on the reliable vs accurate dilemma.
      Buuuut: for example, I did a 50km (31miles) bike route with a partner. I have considerably better fitness condition, so I spent less calories during the trip. My heart rate never was more than 60%, average ~40%. And, as you can imagine, my partner got quite different numbers. This fact was correctly captured by our heart rate monitors (we both have the exact same model). And what happened with Endo? I think you have already figured this out, right? Endo computed the same EE for both of us (same route, same time) when, in fact, the EE was quite different!

      Again: I have my own heart rate monitor (which can't connect to Endo). I configured it with my height, age, weight, heart rate while resting, gender... it seems to me that my heart rate monitor does a MUCH better job when calculating calories. And, again, I don't really need accuracy (well, up to a certain point). I prefer reliability over accuracy and my heart rate monitor does exactly that, as I mentioned with the 50km route example before.

      This is why I strongly think that the calories field should be editable. I am not whining about Endo doing a poor job estimating EE, since it actually does a pretty good job. But when you have an external source such as a heart rate monitor... well... you know :)

      As a developer myself, I can't think of a strong technical problem that prevents the Endo team from allowing edition of the EE. It seems more like a decision.
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