Call for Open Discussion on Updating the Eterna 'About' page

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Hello Eterna players and developers,

This is a call for an open discussion on ideas for updating the 'About' page found through the 'Help' menubar to include helpful links and tips for players. This came up during the discussion of what can we improve about Eterna during Eternacon. To get the conversation started a few ideas have been presented by one of the developers and I would like to get your thoughts on these.

What was presented is that we could have the 'About' page contain the following entries: Mission, Products (would link to papers, nova, etc.), Tips/Info (this would have links to things we players think we need), and Contact (ways to get in touch with developers). There was also the idea of changing the 'About' title to something else such as 'Info'.

Let me know what you think about these ideas and what you think should be in each one. Your ideas could be implemented if the 'About' page gets updated. The more input the better. Have a great day Eterna!

Jennifer Pearl

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I agree. 
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LFP6, Player Developer

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Seems more appropriate as an idea. Changed it to such.
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jmf028

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maybe instead of info, call it "Links". I see this title in other sources with the same subcategories under it.
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Jennifer Pearl

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Can you post a link for me? I would like to look at some examples of what people have already done.
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Astromon

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Hi, I would like to see a study rna type submenu in the about menu maybe with video's and interesting articles about rna. Thanks!
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I have a great suggestion in my opinion. when I look at a lab design for example the microRNA lab I want to be able to press the back button to see how they started the painting of the nt's. This way players will be able to better understand the thinking behind the solution or if you like designs. Thanks!
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Hi averice. Is this an idea for something that would be available in a lab?
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Yes. It's good to look at others designs especially when having a little trouble in a lab.

it would be great if I could see a design then press the back button and see the puzzle designed backwards to the very beginning. then I could go forward to see the line of thought that helped design the RNA. I think that would make a great Tool and I think you could develop it. somehow make the site record each paint to each nt in the labs from beginning to end and deleted unless a submit is recorded and synthesized later after tweaked. Thanks for answering my question in the first place and have a great day!

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Hey astromon & jen -- I like this idea of being able to review move histories. Indeed, we have a way to implement it. We can, in principle, record the solutions as well as 'movesets' that led to them.

However, we feel like players should grant permission to save their move histories, and are working on a way to ask players to 'opt in' to such history saving. Perhaps we are being too careful, and most players would welcome archiving their move history. If you or others have different thoughts on this, could I ask you to open a new getsat thread to start the conversation and ask other players to respond?
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I had never seen this page before, but it does look like it could contain lots of useful links to the many Youtube videos about RNA and EteRNA; as well as links to the best eterna scripts with a description of what they do. Calling it 'info' is probably better than 'about'. About suggest something short, but info could be limitless. ;) :)
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I agree very much! Indeed! Thanks! Keep up the great suggestions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Those are some great suggestions so far. What if we changed the 'Tips/info" to "Tips/Links" and put links to some of the things averice and Malcom suggested?
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Or just "Links", as "Tips" is kind of associated with the "strategy guides" submenu
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Jennifer Pearl

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What if 'Tips/Links' is 'Links' or 'Links' and we made 'About' become 'Info' for the main menubar. (I was feeling like having 'Links' twice in the menus is redundant let me know if you think I'm wrong)
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It really depends on what we want out of the Eterna about page. Currently, the page acts as an introduction to the biochemistry behind RNA, the various functions of RNA as a molecule, a basic introduction to the role players have within the game and the vision for the future of Eterna and RNA research.

Some of the goals that we set out to accomplish have already been achieved (eternabot) and some we are just starting on (RNA biocomputers), along with the development of initiatives like Eterna Cell and projects related to that. In parallel to this is the expansion of the potential role players will have in the future of Eterna.

Ultimately, the About page should highlight what we have accomplished, what we are doing, and what the future of Eterna and RNA research may be. Converting it to a list of links about RNA does not say much about Eterna, the science, the development team or the players who participate in it.

Events or aspects we should highlight:

Eternabot
PNAS paper
Eternacon
Role of the Player
Future Developments
Past accomplishments

Potential things to highlight or mention:

Selected Press Coverage
Das Lab
Community
The biochemistry behind Eterna
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I haven't jumped in to this conversation so far, but I'd just like to say that in my opinion, you nailed it Brourd.
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We can put a lot of that stuff under 'Mission' and 'Products'. I was thinking that the links could be more along the lines of here are link to a bunch of important stuff with some descriptions. 
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I like it, brourd. I think I had proposed 'mission' and 'products' as subitems to Jen, but not wedded to it.
Others: keep it coming on what needs to be in the page and menubar, and proposals for how to organize. 
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I agree a bunch.

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P.S.  I suggested the wording 'products' as a menubar item to Jen, but I think 'creations' might be a better name. We're not a for-profit company after all, but we are creators. 
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Something that hasn't come up yet -- a subset of the audience of eterna are academic scientists themselves, some of whom are actually using eterna on-line tools or experimental pipelines for their RNA design work. You may have encountered them on chat or seen their submissions...

Is there some place they could easily find on the cite that tells them how to cite our work in their scientific publications? For people using our data, they could cite our PNAS (and other upcoming) papers. For people using our experimental pipeline, it would actually be great if they cite the Keck and NIH grants that have supported their development.  

I can't think of the best place to put this.

Perhaps under the 'About' menu, there could be a 'For Scientists' link? In that case, perhaps the menu should be called 'Info', instead of 'About'?

Then there could also be a 'For Players' (which could have the tips/guides) and a 'For Teachers' (links to Nova)? And a 'For Everyone' with eterna-medicine stuff and 'Creations'?
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I think that we could have a 'For Education' submenu that links into that stuff
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rhiju , I think that is a great idea. Going with your plan will connect different people with more and unique skills to help with our goals. The more connections the better for success I think for Eterna. Thanks and keep up the great work and ideas!
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It sounds like there is a consensus that updating the 'About' page is a good idea. There have been a lot of good ideas and I wanted to summarize them for everyone.

There has been a consensus to change the 'About' page to 'Info' as 'Info' puts less limits on the scope of the menu. A concern was made that having 'Tips' in the menu implies something along the lines of player guides which are already available. There was an idea presented that we could put 'Links' in place of 'Tips'. Someone else also suggested that we put link to helpfull YouTube videos and stuff about Eterna and Eterna scripts. This goes along with a suggestion to have a sub menu for studying RNA which could be a part of a 'Links' or 'For Players' section.

The importance of being able to present a picture of who we are and where we are going was also brought up and was agreed upon by a few people. It was suggested that we highlight our accomplishments such as (to quote Brourd). 

Eternabot
PNAS paper
Eternacon
Role of the Player
Future Developments
Past accomplishments

We were also reminded that there is a quite community among us of scientists, teachers and researchers who do work using Eterna. We need to include a place for them to find out how they can reference Eterna in their work and give them a path to get things to help them out. We could have a 'For Teachers' section and maybe a 'For Education' section.

How does everyone feel about these ideas? I think this is a good place to start from. As Rhiju said please continue to discuss and if you have any ideas including ones for a different direction please bring them up and we can discuss them. We will also be discussing a summary of the comments so far at next weeks devchat so if you want you ideas to be included in the devchat please post your ideas before next Friday. We will still take ideas after that date of course but will be summarizing the current comments at that time. 

Have a great week everyone!

Jennifer
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To me the more tips and vids the better. Thanks
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Tips help beginners, so tips could go under a Help heading.  The question is where should "Help" be placed?  On the main page?  
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I like this idea. The help heading could be under the 'For Players' section.  Maybe under the help heading there could be a link to the strategy guides or wiki. :)
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sounds good to me.
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about page related discussion at dev chat:
[15:52] Jennifer Pearl So about the 'About' page it looks like there is support from the community to update it

[15:54] Jennifer Pearl There was a valid concern that the about page needs to have good info for people to understand who we are and whre we are going and were we have been

[15:55] Jennifer Pearl along with that it was brought up that we already have a player page so we should maybe stay away from "tips"

[15:55] Jennifer Pearl (maybe guide people to the tips

[15:55] rhiju @jen, how can we guide players to tips

[15:56] machinelves well noticed brourd! yep - can we make the whole button clickable?

[15:56] Jennifer Pearl have a set of links to where the tips live. Im thinking maybe a comprehensisve tip guide like the comprehensive eterna guide

[15:57] rhiju @jen, ok to have that on the wiki?

[15:58] rhiju then it could be updated by players

[15:58] rhiju living 'tips' page

[15:58] machinelves i'd like to see the about page as a kind of orientation & FAQ, like to answer these questions: what is eterna, where do i start, why am i here, who are you people?!?

[15:58] rhiju but we could link off the 'for players' page in the 'info' menu

[15:58] Jennifer Pearl I think that would work. We can do that and then revisit it in a few months or so and see what people think.

[15:58] whbob Tips help beginners, so how about under Help?

[15:59] Jennifer Pearl @rhiju I was refering to the wiki idea

[15:59] machinelves when i land on a website and don't know what is happening, i look to the about page like a life preserver in an ocean of data. just tell me the most essential facts about what is happening here, and why i should click on another link

[15:59] rhiju @elves, whbob -- good points -- if you have a sec, put in these ideas at the forum thread (https://getsatisfaction.com/eternagame/topics/call-for-open-discussion-on-updating-the-eterna-about-...)

[16:00] Jennifer Pearl There would definitly be stuff to help players and guyide them but it would be mostly links to other stuff

[16:00] machinelves people who already know the site will know to nav to things like wiki. but for first time orientation, about is the beacon of sanity in a million pages that make no sense the first time you are here

http://eternawiki.org/wiki/index.php5/2015.08.14_Dev_Chat