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The Strategy Guide to solve EteRNA Puzzles

Let's discuss useful strategies require to solve EteRNA challenge puzzles .
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  • mpb21's strategy guide for solving EteRNA puzzles

    Notes

    Effect of Energy:
    When considering energy, lower is generally better. There is a box which has the total energy (in kJ - kilojoules http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilojoules)

    See this article about free energy as it applies to EteRNA: http://getsatisfaction.com/eternagame...

    Orientation of the pairs:
    Also the orientation of the pairs is important. In a stack, a G-C pair is not (generally) equivalent to a C-G pair.

    Basic Strategy
    My strategy for solving the EteRNA challenge puzzles is as follows. This strategy should work for puzzles of all difficulty levels.

    -Step 1:
    Fill all stacks with AU pairs of random lengths of 1-3. There are several things to be aware of when doing this to pay attention to that will be discussed later in the advanced strategies section below.
    -Step 2:
    Replace AU pairs with GC pairs as needed to stabilize structure into desired shape. Use as many as needed to stabilize it REGARDLESS of the number of allowed GC pairs.
    -Step 3:
    Once the structure is stabilized, go through the GC pairs and remove as many as needed to get under the number (if applicable). This is generally the hardest part in the more difficult levels. One good and quick way to start is to change each of the GC pairs to GU pairs and see if it maintains the structure. This will quickly remove some of the extra GC pairs that were placed earlier.

    Next, if you still need to reduce the number of GC bonds, what you can try is to change the GC pairs to AU pairs, which are the next strongest bonds. Be sure to try the AU pair in both orientation (i.e. AU and UA) because they are not always of equal strength.

    -Step 4:
    Start on one end of the molecule (or anywhere, it doesn't matter) and change the A of EVERY AU pair into a G. Check to see if the structure is still in the target shape (ring around structure icon stays white). If it maintains the structure, keep it and move on. If not, undo (press Z key) and move on.

    -Step 5:
    Win!

    Advanced strategies

    There are several things to pay attention to when completing the levels (especially the harder levels)

    When placing the AU pairs in Step 1, there is several things to consider.
    First: GU-UG stacks are not generally stable. Meaning the if the stack contains alternating GU stacks, it will probably not be stable
    For example: The stack
    N-N
    G-U
    U-G
    N-N

    Is generally not stable, where N stands for any nucleotide (although it is possible to stabilize it by changing the flanking nucleotides (N here)).

    Thus, when you are placing the AU pairs in Step 1, having perfectly alternating AU pairs is not a wise strategy because it will limit the number of GU pairs you can place in Step 4. Therefore placing AU lengths closer to 3 or sometimes 4 may be better

    Second:
    The reason that the lengths should be "random" or at least not in a repeating pattern, is so that the sequence of one side of the stack is specific to binding to the other side of the stack and no other stacks or loops

    In some puzzles there are some loops that can be particularly difficult to keep closed. For example, in the Saccharomyces Cerevisiae puzzle, the top most loop is often very difficult to solve. The loop is structured as a loop closed by a two pair stack

    Putting two GC pairs in the stack is not sufficient to keep the loop closed. So the way to keep it closed is by modifying the nucleotides adjacent to the stack in the loops.

    For example, in the Saccharomyces Cerevisiae puzzle, putting two G's in positions adjacent to the loop, stabilizes the stack and keeps the loop closed.

    loop
    A G
    CG
    CG
    G A
    A A

    This sort of technique is also applicable to other types of loops as well. If you are having problems getting loops to close, try changing some of the nucleotides in the loop to G and see if it helps the free energy.

    Good Luck!

    If you are having trouble with loops, check out the Loops Guide:
    http://getsatisfaction.com/eternagame...
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    I use exactly the same strategy - developed by trial and error. It would be good if we could see our solution after the fantastic winning display is finished. I often can't remember exactly what I've done to win.
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    This is great -- and it also prompted an interesting conversation on chat about how to make more difficult puzzles.

    It would also be great if others posted their own strategies below!
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    although I'm brand new (only playing a few hours), I already want to voice a STRONG second to mummiebrain's idea above (" It would be good if we could see our solution after the fantastic winning display is finished. I often can't remember exactly what I've done to win.") - I also would love to be able to study the finished configuration.

    Also, kudo's to Matt B. for the strategy guide.
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  • I’m happy
    @Madde: Yes, Madde, I have done it; the button on the left now says "Stay." Clicking it puts you back in the puzzle, where you can now still interact. :)
    • @Madde: Oop, you were correct, Madde, and I was wrong. After clearing (or it may be after session), it does seem to be gone for good, This is a shame, I wish our solutions were cached locally for our study later if we want them; sometimes I wish I could go back and look at a certain puzzle for a certain question I have in mind, and it is more often not right after I complete the puzzle, but much later. Unfortunately, I now see, that later is not an option.
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    While solving puzzles, you might have encountered Unpaired Bases as shown below. You can use strategy 1 or strategy 2 to fold an RNA into target mode.

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  • I’m concerned
    This is a very helpful guide, but I feel like by following it I defeat the purpose of the entire program. I could easily program an algorithm to follow exactly this guide and eliminate the human element all together whilest dramatically reducing the amount of time necessary to fold the RNA
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    • Aviel:

      That's a great observation.

      In fact, we are planning to study and formalize player strategies to test them against existing algorithms for RNA design. However, mbp21's awesome strategy does not mean that it's time for EteRNA to pull up stakes yet! The heart of EteRNA is The Lab, where player designs are scored based on real experimental synthesis and validation. Mbp21's strategy, as great as it is, will likely not always yield RNAs which synthesize properly. If not, we must hypothesize new criteria for successful synthesis, and develop new strategies which satisfy these criteria. There has never been a game quite like EteRNA before. It's going to be an exciting ride, and we're just beginning!
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  • so to clarify, for energy, preffered is closest to 0, or farthest from it,

    also felt this would be a place to note my observation, in the solutions that fold closest to native, there energy seems to be in the middle of the found results, -22-34Kj, with the lowest ones being about 2 and greatest near 58
    • Ryan. The energy situation is somewhat intricate. Energy depends on two things: sequence and conformation (a.k.a. shape). A basic biochemical assumption is that Nature always finds the minimum energy conformation for any sequence. Indeed, because of the relative simple rules of RNA self-assembly, EteRNA automatically solves for the "best" (minimum energy) conformation for any sequence you make. (Or at least, the best conformation given EteRNA's simple energetics model.) Therefore, just because one sequence has a lower energy in EteRNA (higher negative kJ) doesn't necessarily mean that it's better than another sequence with a higher energy, since both conformations are energy minimal with respect to their sequences. One of the things which we'd like to figure out through the lab is if lower energy really is globally better, i.e. more likely to form in nature.
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  • The new tools that became available today are really useful for developing new strategies, or improving upon existing ones.

    For example, now it's easier to fill stacks with either A or U, and then tweak them using the "Pair swapping" brush. This is specially useful in the Brassica napus puzzles, where you can start by changing one of the chain sides to U, and then start swapping them from top to bottom, trying to get as many white areas as possible in the puzzle thumbnail. After that, strategy is the same as in the original post.

    Also, when a puzzle requires a lot of G-U pairs, you can try swapping as many A-U pairs as you can without losing the target shape, then replacing A with U.
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    As Matt Baumgartner mentioned in his excellent tutorial (above), Step 3 (removing as many G-C pairs as possible) "...is generally the hardest part in the more difficult levels." Matt's further explanations on HOW to do this are sufficient in themselves to get you well on the way to conquering every single puzzle in EteRNA, regardless of level.

    However, as I have progressed in EteRNA puzzle solving skill, I have noted a few little "tips & tricks, " and explanations which may be helpful in certain situations on certain puzzles. I thought it might be helpful to those interested in getting better at EteRNA, if I published them here:

    1) If you are having an especially difficult time on one puzzle or on one stack in a puzzle, instead of starting over, try simply "re-seeding" the one difficult stack with a different random scattering of Uracils. This is easier and faster than a full re-start, and is often sufficient to get you rolling again.

    2) A trick to get rid of a stubborn G-C pair that will often work is to move the Cytosine to the other end of the stack; Often, in a stack with a Cytosine on one end, it seems to make little difference which end the Cytosine lives on, and the opposite end may have a better loop for placing adjacent "Guanine Hooks," (as I've come to call them). Once you successfully move the target Cytosine to the other end of the stack, you can resume your normal routine of solving, and many times, it will now work on the new end where it had failed before on the original end.

    3) I strongly suggest developing the habit of using the the "tagging" feature (Ctrl-Click on a base) to mark the Cytosine you are trying to eliminate - this will save you endless grief by helping you not lose your place when glancing elsewhere, or losing your focus for a split-second, or when returning after an interruption.

    4) Now that we have the "swap brush," it is easy to flip A-U pairs or G-U pairs in the stack. Always try this, and if it works, great, but if not, you may find that it still will - if you attack it more thoroughly and methodically, with a system of progressive binary swaps:

    Starting with the pair just beyond your marked "target" Cytosine, swap pair 1, then z-out, pair2, z-out... pair n, z-out, etc. in binary progression, i.e.: in a 4 pair stack: Flip sequentially by itself /themselves, first pair 1, then pair 2, then pair 3, then pair 4, then flip together pairs 1&2, 1&3, 1&4, 2&3, 2&4, and 3&4; then, 1&2&3, 1&2&4, 1&3&4, then 2&3&4, and finally 1&2&3&4. Rarely will you have to go all the way through such a progression to reach a success, so it is not perhaps as daunting as it may seem at first glance - the results will convince you of the worth of it.

    5) Converting adjacent Adenines in loops to Guranines has already been covered by both Matt and Sneh above, but there are a few details I have discovered that I have not yet seen mentioned elsewhere that I have found to be useful to keep in mind on certain occasions:

    .....a) Sometimes it is not the first adjacent Adenine that is the key for substituting with a Guanine in order to eliminate your target Cytosine.

    .....b) First, it may not be a single adjacent at all, but a pair of adjacents on opposite sides of the stack.

    .....c) Further, it may even be a triplet or quadruplet of adjacents oddly spaced in one loop or in loops on opposite ends of the stack, so it will help you if you are by nature patient and methodical in discovering these permutations. (This is another time when a binary progression of Guanine placements in the loops, similar to the binary progression of base-pair flips in the stack - will often yield a successful result).

    .....d) Finally, each permutation of base-pair flips in the stack will affect the results you achieve with "Guanine Hook" placements in the loops, so if one round of "G-Hook" placements fails, you will sometimes find it will still succeed if you try again after a different pair-flip in the stack.

    .....e) Surprisingly, sometimes "adjacent" Adenine in a loop might be more accuately described as first available Adenine even if not adjacent. This is especially true where multiple stacks meet a large loop right next to one another; the stack-ends seem to have a sort of "pass-through" effect, such that the first available Adenine after two or even three stack ends, can act just as if it was adjacent to the stack you are working on. This odd phenomenon has saved my bacon on multiple occasions.

    6) Remember that every single change you make anywhere in the whole puzzle affects the interplay of energies in the entire puzzle - from end to end - so one sucessful Cytosine-to-Uracil conversion on one end of the puzzle, or even one simple base-pair flip - just may - break open the other far end of the puzzle where you may have thought you had exhausted all possibilities for progress. I suggest making it a habit to perform multiple passes to take advantage of this fact.

    7) Referring to Sneh's post above where he mentions "Strategy 1 and Strategy 2 with accompanying diagrams, you may eventually find yourself in a situation where you have employed "Strategy 2" and achieved elimination of your target Cytosine, however you may also, simultaneously, (as I did) also find that this Strategy pushed you up over the Constraint limit for Consecutive Guanines. The way to fix this is to swap one of the pairs on the end, resulting in a third hexagonal configuration that I might term "Strategy 3" to associate it with Sneh's existing terminology. It looks something like this:

    ....A - A
    ....-... -
    ....- ...-
    ...G - U
    .G.......G
    ...U - G
    ....-... -
    ....- ...-
    ....A - A

    (please pardon the crude spacing hack - will replace with graphic later)

    ...where the string of 3 consecutive G's in Sneh's "Strategy 2" has been broken up in to two diagonal pairs of G's instead.

    I now find I use this third hexagonal variaton more often than either "Strategy 1" or "Strategy 2" from Sneh's post above, although, all three find uses regularly.

    8) When stabilizing, we so frequently place either G-C pairs or G-U pairs on stack-ends that it is easy to forget or overlook that you can still use an A-U pair on a stack end, and there are many times where this provides that magic combination! - Remember to try A-U pairs on stack ends where you are having trouble! In fact, while trying to eliminate unwanted Cytosines, it is often useful to once again employ the same binary progression strategy used above in flipping base pairs in the stack, or selecting Guanine Hook locations in the loops. you can cycle through stack-end-pair combinations similarly:

    From G-C to G-U, to U-G, to U-A, to A-U. being sure this way to not miss that one combination that will reward you with sudden multi-colored searchlight beams and Champagne Bubbles! :)...l (that is Champagne, isn't it?) :)

    9) If all seems futile, go for a 30-minute walk, come back, and re-seed all your random Uracil placements. Somtimes the "luck of the draw" will advance you where otherwise dozens upon dozens of swaps would not even have been sufficient to find that winning combination.

    I've been trying to recall some of the other interesting little things I've noted over the past few weeks, (I know there are a few I'm forgetting), but they are just not coming to mind just now. I will add them later if and when they occur to me again.

    I hope at least one person finds at least one thing in this list that they can use to better their game.

    Best Regards,

    -d9
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  • My pattern

    1
    I paint one side and all loops in red, with preference for outside.
    I paint the other side in blue.
    I put an AU at the crossing between every stack and loop with blue on the other side than the stack except for little symetrical loops in the middle of a stack.
    I put GC only at wierd angles.
    At this point, often most of the stacks are whites with problems in angles and loops.
    2
    If a stack is not white, I put all it in the other side or I put an AU in the middle always in the reverse side , if it dont works at random.
    So stacks are like this
    AU or GC depending on the angle
    UG
    UG
    AU
    UG
    UG
    UG
    UG
    AU or GC depending on the angle
    3
    For loops, I put just the yellow needed to minimize energy never blue or green.
    4
    I move the GC until all is white and conditions requested are met : no strategy for this step
    5
    I try to replace every AU by one UG to have a place in competition
    • Very Interesting Variation on Matt's popular method, Marie! - It sounds to me like it would eliminate much of the clicking on same bases characteristic of Matt's method, and get you to a solution sooner & quicker. It seems to skip - or combine - the first steps and go straight to where you would eventually end up any way - Very much looking forward to trying your method. Thanks for posting it,

      -d9
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    Here's my own mutated variation on Sneh's original method:
    1. From the all-yellow initial state in target view, do a walk around the structure adding blue where ever there is an unpaired yellow. Do not bother making this intentionally random, just run blue bases up one side of every stack.
    2. Next, examine the little image in the top left corner that shows a summary of your current solution where red indicates bad sections and white indicates good sections.
    3. Using the Swap Bases tool (the 5 key), begin flipping yellow-blue pairs while watching the solution summary for the global impact of each flip. This is the phase I spend most of my time in. My goal is to get as much of the summary to the white state just by performing base flips with only yellow and blue bases. I think of this phase like lock-picking in reverse. Each time I flip a base, it's like adding another notch in a key that prevents it from fitting other parts of the puzzle. I'm trying to jigger the bases so that, for the most part, they cannot line up in any way other than the target solution. Little changes can have a big impact and it pays to experiment all around.
    4. When I have ceased to make further progress with base-flipping, I toggle between target and natural mode. I note places that can only be fixed by adding red-green pairs. These are areas that line up properly in natural mode, but still lack the necessary bond strength to form the desired loops and bulges. I add the minimum number of red-green pairs necessary to lock down the structure. I don't add red-green pairs in areas that are already all white in the solution summary at the top.
    5. If the puzzle has a minimum red-blue pair count, then I replace yellow bases in yellow-blue pairs with red in order to satisfy this requirement. Since these are the weakest bonds, one must avoid inserting too many of them in a row, lest the structure become too weak to hold together. Usually, I can get at least 2 in a row, sometimes 3. Note that this method starts by flooding the puzzle with intermediate bonds, then inserts the strongest bonds, and finishes by adding the weakest bonds.
    6. For very tight loops that refuse to stay closed, I may add extra unpaired red bases, but this seems to be a rare occurrence in the puzzles.
    7. There are also situations where it is only necessary to flip a red-green or yellow-blue pair to get everything settled, and it is worth the time to probe for these trivial solutions. Flipping pairs is a deceptively powerful way to tweak a structure, and it is also quite interactive since the operation is its own inverse (as long as you are in target mode, a second click will easily undo your change).
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  • I’m happy
    So, with minor differences, we have a pretty effective common algorithm.

    But then I don't really see the point of the game (he said, after spending ten hours playing with it!).

    On the one hand, if there were a point to hand-solving, I might ask for this or that additional feature. On the other hand, it would seem a modest program could churn out a dozen ranked solutions in a couple of seconds.

    In particular, it seems an AU painter feature would be nice, or even a better replacement for an all-A starting point.

    I suppose I also remain unclear what the point of the synthesis lab is, compared to the game. Yes the folding algorithm needs validation, but how does pattern X relate to whatever the physical validation reveals?

    --

    FInally, my two cents to the algorithms, perhaps known to those trained in the field but new to me, was that swapping the AU pairs sometimes does make a difference, but the news is that most of the time it does not! That allows the easier painting of blues on the starting patterns and generally allows the random lengths of AU alignments to work.
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    Clean Cut Strategy Guide to Solving Puzzles:

    #1: When starting a puzzle, determine if we are limited by the number of Red-Green pairs. If we are not, color every single paired match in target mode on one side first, with all red, or all green (but only ones that are side by side). If we are limited by the number of Red-Green pairs, color a single side Blue (but only ones that are side by side) so we have a Blue-Yellow lane.

    #2: Begin flipping ONLY those pairs that are at the edges of their "lane", i.e. before a bubble/circle and pay attention to the amount of redness in the puzzle's thumbnail at the top of your screen. Play around with flipping them a bit, until the entire puzzle turns white. If we are limited by the number of Red-Green pairs, and we have gotten as much white as we can from the Blue-Yellow pairs, choose to place these Red-Green pairs ONLY at the edges of circles or bubbles. Consider the Red-Green pairs as "pinchers" in your lane, that create these bubbles for you.

    #3: When we need to create Red-Blue pairs to fulfill the puzzle objective, if we are not limited by the number of Red-Green pairs, this means you will only need to turn the green dots blue. You can typically select green dots at a minimum of 3 dots away from the edge of any lane, without an issue. If there is a problem, typically flipping ONE pair at the beginning of any lane will allow you to begin at the second dot, instead of the third, and fill in many more Red-Blue pairs than you would normally be able to find without issue. If we are limited by the number of Red-Green pairs, typically you can use the same tactic with the Blue-Yellow pairs.

    Following this, you can typically solve any puzzle in under a minute. I'm currently on the 4th page of puzzles, and still blowing through them in under a minute using this. If you do end up running into a problem, re-evaluate where you have placed your limited Red-Green pairs, and try flipping more Blue-Yellow lane edge pairs.

    Very simple. To leave the tricks for the bottom:

    Hexagon shaped dot pairs will need to have either Red-Green / Red-Red / Red-Green, or if we are limited, will need to have Blue-Yellow / Red-Red / Blue-Yellow.

    Pentagon shaped dot pairs will ALWAYS need to have two pairs of Red-Green, with the point/top dot of the Pentagon left Yellow.

    ALWAYS give the Pentagon shaped pairs your Red-Green dots first, with Hexagon and larger circles second.

    So, basically 4 simple, repeatable steps. Energy has no bearing in these patterns. It's simple force of attraction, and we know that Red-Green is more powerful than Blue-Yellow. Use accordingly.

    This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
    Clean Cut PATTERN guide to solving puzzles.
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    After reading @korsen, "Pentagon shaped dot pairs will ALWAYS need to have two pairs of Red-Green, with the point/top dot of the Pentagon left Yellow. ", I reviewed my handful of Level 4 solutions. I found a few pentagons with GU and AU pairs matched with one GC pair and one where no GC pairs were required (try Xenopus tropicalis).

    It took more than one minute to solve these puzzles, but my goal was to push as high as possible in the level 4 competition rankings, assuming that gaining skill at placing difficult GU pairs would be rewarded in the lab design and synthesis phases (TBD). I've gleaned from some of the staff and more experienced player postings that while extreme designs may quickly solve a puzzle, they won't likely fold during synthesis (see "RNA Lab: "Christmas Trees," "Cub Scout Projects," and "Optical Illusions"). For me, having one of my designs gain high marks when synthesized would be the ultimate prize and of course the points would be nice too!
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  • I think I agree with Aviel Menter. I thought the whole point of this was to have people reinventing the wheel. I did inquire about calorie management, but I knew that I could go through a tedious trial and error that would get me to the same results.
    I enjoy thinking about the structure of uracil and the ways it makes RNA so different from DNA. I think that too much explicit guiding can prevent breakthroughs.
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  • Other strategy guides to puzzle solving have been made in the meantime and since they are not mentioned here, I thought I would add them.

    Puzzle solving guide

    Brourd's Loop boosting guide

    Jennifer Pearl's Challenge Puzzles Quick Solve guide

    Brourd's Puzzle solving guide

    Hoglahoo's Reverse Spore Walk-through

    Drake's Advanced puzzle solving guide

    Switch puzzle guide

    Also check my PROFILE. There I will have an updated list.
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  • Solution Algorithm:

    Premise:
    Considering that the strand starts its fold from a perfectly straight orientation, the bases are going to be drawn to pairs very close on the stack, so start at the hairpins to setup the target shape, working towards the ends last.

    Drawbacks:
    This algorithm assumes the strand starts with all A's. I suspect that this default for all the challenges is skewing the solutions. I'd love to see some variation of starting stack.
    This solution doesn't minimize energy, but DOES focus on achieving the desired shape with the strongest base pairs.

    Step 1:
    Place G-C pairs at the neck of each hairpin, enough to start the strand folding the right way. Especially if you are limited on the number of G-C pairs allowed, this is the best mechanical use of these strongest pairs. Use up the allowed number of G-C pairs at the beginning of each new zipper.

    Step 2:
    Continue the zippers with A-U pairs, the second strongest.

    Step 3:
    When a zipper is interrupted by a loop, resulting in an angle, where the zipper resumes it probably needs a strong G-C pair up front to fold correctly, perhaps with the addition of the side G. If the fold occurs at the wrong angle, place a C base to prevent an undesired A-U.

    Step 4:
    If the fold is incorrect at this point, work from the natural fold view to interrupt undesired pairs by changing the bases in these regions, then fixup in the target view.

    Step 5:
    Now that the desired shape is achieved, add in the required number of weak G-U pairs. Three places they can go without ruining the target shape:
    5.1: right after the strong G-C's at the neck of a hairpin.
    5.2: between stronger pairs at the middle of a long zipper. The longer the zipper, the more weak G-U's it can hold without losing shape.
    5.3: right BEFORE a zipper splits into a loop.

    Optional energy reducing step:
    Once desired shape is achieved, randomly swap out bases in loops to reduce loop energy, randomly flip base pair orientations to reduce energy, randomly swap out one base pair for another to reduce energy.
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