Dear attractive and brilliant members of the Evony team, I come here today, as suggested by one of your staff, with a plea. A plea to consider the effects of one little stratagem, and how it greatly changes the game we all play and enjoy in a negative way.
Issue:
As many of you know this strat can be had for free on FB. This is not an issue, the issue itself is that this can be used without limit and in combination with closed gates to not only keep a Historic City indefinitely, but I feel to wholly go against the heart of what this game is about: strategic war. Currently on NA1, and I fear other servers, people do not need to fight to keep their cities. They need only shut their gates, and apply this stratagem periodically. Losing none of their army while still keeping their city. This renders loyalty and grievance features irrelevant as game features. This frustrates people that cannot play the game how I, and many others feel it was intend to play.
Suggestion:
Limit the use of this stratagem when applied to a Historic City to once per day or once per X hours perchance. Reconfigure how to allow the art of war to be reestablished so that tactics, troop wave types and endurance of massive armies of great alliances tell the tale of how great wars will be fought and cities won, a long and aggressive battle, and tug of war of hundreds of people involved....rather than a simple application of a stratagem to win indefinitely by a *single* person.
Thank you for your consideration.
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At this point I think the evony age 2 game as a whole has become nothing short of a joke. It is supposed to be a game of war and stratergy when instead it has turned into a pathedic version of farmville. Speech text and comforting should both have a 24hr cooldown. The fact that players can sit back and speech text and comfort 24/7 not only makes the game unattractive but totally pointless.
How the evony dev's can sit back and watch whole servers being ruined by the continual speech texting and comforting is beyond me. The colinisation system also does not work because as soon as you colinise someone they are demoing their academy and workshop, dropping out the alliance and letting their alliance mates hammer away at them absolutely massacring your troops in the process. So if we cant attack, and its pointless to colinise, what are we to do? It seems sit around and build massive digital armies that never get taken out of the bubble wrap is the answer.
Some of the servers are at the point where it is a total stalemate. Evony I implore you to issue a 24hr cooldown on the comforts and speech texts, It would promote war and overall improve the vast majority of players satisfaction from the game. -
I am so fed up with how people can speech text with no cool-down and comfort. I am a paying player and will quit very soon if this is not fixed! HOW on earth can you allow someone to NOT loose a city? This isn't very battle like, especially with something called a Speech Text? How does that relate to a real battle in real life?
Why do I port and spend money to hit players that just close gates? It's pathetic and I will go on EVERY site and say what a rip off this game has become!!!! -
At the moment it is possible to keep an HC with absolutely no battle or skill involved. In Age1 when you could attack ALL of a players cities, it was possible to remove all res and gold so there was no way to comfort. In Age2 this is impossible and we have players holding HCs with gates closed 24/7. How is this the way the game is intended to be played?
You need to update the strategy of the game to work for Age2, the same systems used in Age1 don't apply here. What is the point of playing now if we cant take HC, can't attack, can't colo bc of backdooring?
Put a limit on the number of texts used daily, a limit on the number of comforts per hour, any one of the numerous solutions to prevent someone keeping gates shut for months and months on end. -
Put a time limit on speech texts and a longer time limit on comforting...let's say 2 hours for comforting and 6 hours for speech texts. Because the way it is now, if the defender is on-line you have 0 chance to take the city. So, why spend the money on ports, excaliber etc just to sit through an endless round of closed gates/speech texts?
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If you wanna limit the speech text and comforting, then limit also the amount of attackers and attacks.
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If we are paying to play this game, speech texts should also have to be paid for. The way the strat is setup, is plays to significant a role in the application of strategic warfare. It can in effect give players reason to not pay or play all together when the game becomes unfair. As Evony is a business, this issue can be easily fixed, insuring a strong financial future. Thank you Evony staff for reading this post as well as the others in regards to making your decision on the Speech Text Strat.
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Spech texts are a major issue especially when players use bots on when they are offline,instead of spech texts from fb how about truce agreements?This would improve gameplay,evony added a 24h cooldown on leaving an alliance to fix moving hcs around for truce ;hope they fix the whole issue by removing speech texts from fb posts.
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Whether you consider them strats, items, or whatever, the abuse is definately evident. There needs to be a limit placed on them in the interest of fairplay. No one should be allowed to hold an HC without EVER having to fight...and THAT is EXACTLY what happens on many occasions. Gates are left closed with or without an army behind them and text after text after text ad nauseum is applied before the 5 loyalty threshhold is reached.....
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Gov needs to go completely!! This will balance the servers 100% fair.
Texting / comforting needs to be limited to force all players to fight to the very last troop they own, defense skills should win the right to keep a HC not comforting. This will also balance all servers. -
Pedro Salvador:
How would you feel if you spent $10USD at a minimum! (not taking into account the money you spent on armour and stars~used to fight with) and found a nice jucy khans/sentinel/3OO target and we closed our gates and moved resources to a safe location.. you would either give up or waste hours pounding on an 'unbreakable' city.. Without any reward, i.e $10USD down the toilet, plus the random port to take you home.
Some of us enjoy warfare and keep our gates open to fight as we have a mutual respect with our opponents, even if they outweigh us in terms of share troop numbers or star sets.
An example of this is Dremora, he ported on me and I kept my gates open, even though he did kill a lot of my layers. A month later samurai/3OO ported on him and gave him a fair fight in which he kept his gates open. However do to great alliance teamwork neither alliance capped the HC's, no need really for multiple speech texts use?.. I think in all honesty player that are dependent on speech text and comforts for days and weeks! on end, do not deserve to have a HC, and that their alliance is weak to not support them to fight the enemy. -
It would make the game more appealing to the older players as well increasing the profits the game is bound to make from such changes. I do not speech text and consider them useless where as others live on them. Like President Obama says its time for a change shake things up a bit. Make this a WAR game tired of the hide and seek elementary strategist that are ingame. I for one vote for this change however adversely it will effect me.
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I completely agree, I'm not even a big attacker but I am very well aware to just what lengths players will evolve themselves to be just to save "face" regardless of it being a game, even to the point of NOT playing at all! Or at least not needing to :P To have endless supply of speech texts and other methods of which you can completely "hide" away is a little crazy to say the least.
Now I can understand, to create new players, future purchasers, methods need to be taken to help small players vs the big guys, lets be honest, the quit rate is high for newbies :P But these things like speech texts only help big players TO keep things they clearly aren't worthy to hold. That little saying "too much of anything can be bad for us" comes to mind.
I am completely for Nailbomb's 2 new stratagems, they sound well thought up and would work nicely verse players who are more "hoarders" than strategists. Then nothing will be needed to lower the other items already present, although a "cap" should be placed limiting use, or clear cooldown period.
I would be excited for these changes if they were to be put underway. -
That is another issue that is leading to a disheartening of the core of this game; war. The issue Nailbomb brings of of comforting to forever keep loyalty from reaching 0 in HCs.
I believe that issue as well can be helped, while keeping the spirit of tactics strong with simple limitations. Be it a limitation on HCs, or a limitation via threshold(s) where comforting is less effective and cannot be looked at as a city-saver, but as a mechanism to buy an alliance time to regroup and send reinforcements before the loyalty fully drops.
I'd also like to note that the practical advantages of balancing this for Evony as a company is promoting buying of teleports, Excalibur buffs and other items one would use real money on. I believe it would benefit everyone, and give the community as a whole a greater sense that buying an item is going to count for something based on their own skill playing the game. This promotes player moral and in turn more purchases and higher revenue for Evony. -
I agree that this problem needs to be fixed so that everyone may enjoy the game in the way that it was intended on being played. It sometimes becomes frustrating spending my hard earned money on ports only to have the defender shut gates and comfort their cities indefinitely using a variety of different methods with the main one being sending a small chunk of gold in from another town and praying. I know that most of my members that have left the game has been because of this issue.
Not to mention Atlantis on NA1 having the ability to have closed gates for 7+ months and comforting around the clock. Its become quite the joke.
I think if this issue was to be addressed and somehow fixed this would do wonders for the overall game play and restore faith in players spending money on ports knowing that they can actually fight troops on the other end and not just bounce off the walls.
Maybe a quick fix for the problem (for AGE2 only) could be that Evony releases two new stratagems for purchase in shop and on the wheel;
QUICK FIX
1. Ram the gates down (Force Gates Open)
- Cooldown: 6 hours
- Forces the gates open for 1 hour on the city in which the stratagem is used on.
2. Plant a spy to sabotage (Disable Loyalty)
- Cooldown: 24 hours
- Disables the ability to make use of speech text or comforting for 2 hours on the city in which the stratagem is used on.
LONG TERM FIX
I do however personally think that comforting on HCs should be removed all together leaving a grievance removal only. The owners would need to defend their HCs using troops of their own or reinforcements of their alliance while they remove out the grievance for the loyalty to start to go upwards.
1 + 1/2 hours is plenty of time to get reinforcements sent to the HCs under attack to begin to repel the attacks and attempt to restore the cities loyalty to 100.
The amount of grievance removed on each comfort would not be large enough to counter the effects of the attacker winning over and over and over otherwise we just end up with the loyalty loop problem when the HC is in -15 mode.
HCs across the server should be considered as elite assets and if you decide to take one you should be expected to be able to defend it properly and without using 24/7 comforting methods. This idea I think should at least be done on all 14,16s & the 18 on AGE2 servers.
I think most would agree that this would be a good fix to a huge problem across all evony servers today and allow for a more realistic representation on conquering cities and a small defeat towards account sharers and botters alike.
Kind Regards,
nb
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*clap* *Clap* *clap* *clap* congrats to dumb-a$$ evony for making a space age evony! WHAHHAHAHAH this proves that that will do and have done nothing to improve game play.... My suggestion, play as a time filler, don't take it too seriously DO NOT GIVE THEM ANY MORE $$$$$$ and D NOT PLAY THEIR NEW LAME GAME!!!
Evony u thieving trolls... no updates? no fixes? ya slimey bastardds -
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evony dont give a sh!t about this problem, ive seen tons of topics posted asking to sort this problem out but yet no reply from any member of staff in any of the topics. they created this "feedback" site so they dont have to reply to peoples emails now, another reason to ignore what they want and take cash from people.
this problem is already out of hand and evony devs are just being lazy and money greedy, i wont be recommending this game to anyone and will be quiting soon. thanks evony for your ignorance towards people who pay your wages.
the game is impossible to play and pointless due to the bots comforting, i use to really enjoy this game but this bullsh!t is just stupid now.
SPEAK UP EVONY STAFF AND TELL US WHY YOUR NOT FIXING IT!!!!! -
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lmao? are you serious, lol you have an alliance for a reason if a state capital gets hit then the rest of the alliance should also port in to help, its called war! you seem to be full of useless ideas, get rid of ports? wtf is that all about, how else can we fight? oh that sounds great sending a mech wave 400miles across the server, great strategy that is
the issue here is closing gates and managing to hold hc's forever, go to work and come home and the attackers are still sitting on 11 loyalty, its getting a bit boring now.
how fun would headquarters in call of duty be if someone couldnt be killed when they are at the objective, wouldnt be very fun well this is the same concept if you think that you should have an hc and never get attacked then maybe you should go play viva pinata because in my eyes hc's are just a small game of king of the hill.
A good alliance can hold a state capital by using reinforcements and porting in to help when attackers port in, to be honest you actually sound like someone who uses the comfort/speech strategy and has never attacked an hc since you played the game. -
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I was kidding though I expect a stand Evony reps will take because there told to.
I say get rid of ports because all these people who brag how big anbd great was stratigist. Doesnt take any to port in. All the suden appear next to an enemy. in a organized single camped wave kill the wall and quite a few troop. Includin the fact a lvl 100 Heroew or lvl 150 HH is used and Monarch.
Before they can RI they have to see it in War Reports first. Which take how long. Long after the first hit lands clearing the walls I can garentee that much. An HC is far worse since you cant truce it or port.
Useless because I dont much care to change the rules to give me free easy wins Evony. In real you March to war you dont tranport and fly in Magical Castles of BS.
The guy who own the HC or city you think everyone has the right to use port to attack come home. Finding his account trashed because the loosers poked and tested to see if there on line to find an easy targt because attacking someone takes balls not attacking someone while off line.
Comfort and Speach only buys some time and does a little to level the playing field clearly goin against defenders.
Clearly your the sort who thrives on that cheap shot. Evony is dying so might as well get your way. DDO, WOW and LOTR is free to play now. There doing pretty well now. -
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Looking forward to the changes coming in May and looks like this will bring the fight back to many servers where people can enjoy PvP as it was meant to be played. (If implemented right) :D
I know the feedback from members and other alliances has all been positive and every body will be looking to buy many of one type of the strats, that's if it is not able to be countered with another rendering it useless.
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What positive. I have not seen any outisde the handfull crying for Evony to make it more easy for them to attack a red HC and take there HH's. So I dont see that as Positive. What so ever there. lmao
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I understand this is an Age 2 thread, but the talk about the changes coming in less than two weeks heavily implies that all of the Aether-1 stuff is focused on Age 2. If that plays out, then there are going to be a lot of upset / disappointed people, especially in light of the clue chasing...
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What you never read about cause and affect. Unlike the games crappy Combat Mechanics of using ports as a sound stratigy. Account sharing is the cause and affect of the events of how the game has been acceptably been run over with groups of power players and heavy coiners. People game play addapt to get by through such challenges. I am pretty sure its not going to change just to make it more easy for you to get that gimp win win.You want the ballance to tip to make you happy and more easy for you to get what you want to achieve. Unfortunately there thoudands of others who play so I am afraid there going to have to be considerd as well into the effort of a ballance game. I am sure Ciz PC games are still made or Age of Empires which Evony is said to have taken the game grom. Thats a all you controlled game.
I state the facts not simply desires of one self to get there own way. Though I dont have alts, Bot or use account sitters unless I am at work and unable to have access to a PC when this class of loosers most likely choose to attack thinking they have a easy win. -
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Ok, lets see. First any pay sight claiming to be free will never have a level playing field. Any time you can buy an advantage it can't be level. People are complaining because others use fb and tools in the game to hold HC's, when that is not the problem. The problem is they just pissed away their cash to attack someone who paid nothing and can't have their way. I agree the way speech texts and comforts are used is against the way the game should be played, but I also don't believe buying your way to the top was the way either. Don't waste your money on a toy that is "almost" what you want then complain because it's broken. It was broke from the start and no one is going to fix it. There are to many issues to fix. The best evony can do is follow thru on their aprilfools joke and start a different site. Either its a pay sight or a free sight but until that happens it will never be fair. Remember there are only two fairs, state fair and county fair.
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Zach, this issue has nothing to do with paid for advantages. Thats a whole other issue.
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well that you may be wrong but still it goes into an area Evony will never change.
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Zachary you make no sense... It has nothing to do with your comments or examples. It's about how to make the game fun and challenging. Buying your way to the top? WTF has that got to do with ANYTHING when people talk about SPECIFIC issues to counter holes in the game... A RAM was ALWAYS used for breaking down or through things.. the game should reflect this. stick to facts and don't go on about "buying this and that".
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BARD: "Though I dont have alts, Bot or use account sitters unless I am at work and unable to have access to a PC when this class of loosers most likely choose to attack thinking they have a easy win."
HAHHAHA I don't have bots/account sitters unless I am at work... you are a fool, in other words... Yes I do cheat, like I accuse everyone else of... -
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just give up they wont sort the problem aether-1 will be just as big of a joke, bots will be made for that and the whole circle will continue, i dont even think evony even look at this site its just here to stop people spamming there inbox
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were you expecting something better. Not going to happen. It will be more negineered to squeez more coin sales out of everyone. Less free to play forever. lmao
Rams were never verry affective. So the reason siege war fare took anywhere from a week to some time years.
Yes it more about purchasing your way along as more towards a realistic ballance. When you add a unrealistic event like ports and various strats. It throws reality out the window. Also frying horses and super trooper HH's. -
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each level of HC should have a different level of comforting ability?
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an HC12 is basically useless until something is done about undraftable troop counts, so no big deal about letting them be able to comfort and maintain possession. . .
an HC14 has some regional power, and should only be held by a higher committment type of player, with limited comforting ability
an HC16 controls a state, and i would say should have a bare minimum of comforting ability
Atlantis should have no comforting ability. . .
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or another option would be to allow HCs an 8 hour truce with no option for comforting for 16 hours afterwards? Evony doesnt need to be a game designed only for 24/7 players, because noone can do that, and it just about forces account sharing to happen.
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another option would be to decrease the comforting ability of an HC determined by the length of time it has been occupied by the same player. say for 30 days its normal, then diminishes by 10% per month after that, eventually to a point where no comforting/ speechtexting can be done by that player in that HC
In addition to this, all higher level HCs that come under attack (HC14s, HC16s, Atlantis) should be IP monitored by evony, and any jump from locations should draw a red flag and either be banned or suspended. I know of one HC16 account that's IP jumps continents all day long, insta-ban in my opinion.
I beleive the IP monitoring of the accounts will control the issue very well, and some of the alliances in here complaining about speechtexts/ comforting will become just as weak in a short period of time as the players they are complaining about. Once account sharing suspensions/ bans have levelled the playing field again i don't beleive there will be so many complaints about speech texting/ comforting. . .
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lol. Let A battering ram be as effective as it was in real siege war fare. Meaning not very much at all.
As for limiting comforting for a HC. Ya have to fracken joking right. Or simply irked you cant capture a certain reds HC so ya want Evony to make it more easily do able for you. Your sugestion is right up gimp.
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Yes I want evony to make it so an hc is capable on na22 we broke rome (300 500) 4 days ago we are doing a comforting battle its been troopless since. The 16 is being bot comforted everytime it goes to 10 loy so it resets to 15. I have to wait 6 min before loy drops 1 point with 1 push of a button she can erase 30 min of what I did. What they are doing is supressing her other cities so we cant attack them and they are doing it every 8 hours. At some point there needs to be a stop to the comforting the battle has been over for days.
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ok lets say this today conforting bots are in the game if they put a warehouse in thier historical city and use the aid of a conforting bot while not online and come on right before a designated time for server reset then they are not catching the botters .... or in this case the cheaters in this game .... i love the game but if we could figure a way against these cheaters and having fair play for all then it would be greatly appreciated .... on na 39 we hit a lvl 14 historic city non stop for 3 days and never got it past loyalty 9 due to a conforting bot doing disaster relief ..... and i feel thats what 90% of the main complaint is here .... personally i think those accounts should be banned from login in indefinately and not put on vacation that way they loose thier historical heros and everything either play right or dont play at all....
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I agree Josh we finally capped Rome it took us 6 days to do it, and the way we managed was we figured out her bot wouldn't login after maint it took between 30 and 50 min so what we did was when we got the 15 min to maint warning we let the bot comfort this way we knew we had an extra 14 min on top of normal maint plus the additional 30-50 min after. Then we unloaded on it getting grievance to 100 hopefully to 12 loy or lower. Now just before maint when you get the 1 or 2 min warning you besiege all waves in every 1 of their cities and ambush them if the bot isn't programed properly it cant use the advanced by hidden path strat. In the last few weeks we stole 3 16's from this alliance with this method and they just basically gave 1 to us and said im done on this server and the latest person just NPC it not even wanting to try and defend it.
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