Hello,
So, it's become a race to see who can make the most alts to vote for governor, and it's really past the point of ridiculous. I've read that this is a problem on a lot of servers. So tonight several alliances on our server have had a discussion, on what we hope is an idea to help alleviate some of this problem.
What if you have to be active for at least one month and have all your troop donations complete before your voting window were to pop up? This would mean that you can't just make an alt and vote, it would have to be an active account voting. Now this is just one idea of many that were thrown out in our group, but everyone seemed to favor this one idea the most.
That would mean you wouldn't have a governor for the first month on any server. But it would still be fair.
Take care
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My idea is simple. Your vote for Governor should only count if you own a Lord or Lady of the Realm (i.e. King or Queen).
Get a King or a Queen and you get the ability to vote.
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Scott, it's always been a problem, in fact if you will look at previous posts on this forum, I have commented on this issue, several times over the past few weeks, even when our side held gov.
It's just now that we have come up with what many have found to be an excellent solution, as you can see by the likes and votes...and I can assure you those likes aren't all Vanir players.
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If u really want a fair solution about GOV..than this function should be give automatically to that player who kill most valuable troops ( total attack + defence of troops that u killed).In this case discution about voting in wc will finish and no one can contest value of Gov.
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Oh but one more thought krazeyes, hence the one month no vote and the troop donation requirements...has to be both items completed in order to vote....making it double duty for alts.
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yup the gov position has lead to some alliances making tons of alts just for voting
in 2 hours one guy got over a hundred votes went from trailing to leading Time to either fix it or scrap it.
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I would like to encourage Evony to consider the original writer's idea. I think it is sound. You cannot limit one account to each ip as we have 4 people in this house that play :-( REALLLY (It's actually a multi-generational house with a house on top of a house but we all use the same internet service). So that idea is BAD!! But the original author is on to something I think! ATLEAST you would have to play 50 alts and boy that would be pretty darned impossible :PP
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I have a friend who has alts. I dont have alts because i think it's just stupid. But she has 73 alt all over 3 million prestige with lvl 15 star sets and she gets about 1mill anything(besides mech transporters and horses) everyday its not impossible but nearly impossible ;)
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I say just do something....anything is better than nothing....stop promoting the cheating and more alts...make the change..
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you wanna stop promoting the cheating...get rid of vanir
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Again you are here to do nothing but Vanir bash...take it to the game...this is not the place.
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I agree with the original idea, and perhaps a prestige of 100k as well before a vote can be cast.
I play evony on my laptop, and my son plays it on the home computer, both are through the same router, and so will always have the same ip address.
Am I supposed to tell my son he cant play anymore because only one player per household?-
I think the pres requirement for voting needs to be scrapped all together- it is way to easy to get pres off FB little by little, and play the account JUST ENOUGH it can vote- voting needs to be restricted to actual active accounts, not just accounts someone makes and spends very little time on getting where it needs to be just to vote-
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ok this post is now 17 days old, and evony has responded with nothing...not under consideration, not planned, not acknowledged, not in progress...nada...what's that tell you about how Evony cares about what we want as players? 38 players have posted likes...34 agree they have the same problem..28 people are participating in this convo...yet we are ignored by Evony....
How's that make ya feel folks for feeling appreciated by Evony as players...your concerns mean nothing to them it seems.- view 1 more comment
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well there you go...38 vanir alts!!!!1
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Ding, first off I do NOT have an alt...never have never will....so your accusation towards my post here is just flat rude and accusatory and belittles the players who have voted and placed their thoughts on this thread, out of concern for how the voting is being done.
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It seems that if certain alliances are winning a governor's race for the week, rival alliances magically pull together hundreds of votes within the span of a day or two. It has been observed that rival potential governors have a great increase of Facebook allies during the same span. Putting the pieces of the puzzle together, it would seem as if the competition is getting their alliances to create multiple new accounts in order to sway the vote in their favor.
As such, it is suggested that players not be able to vote unless they are part of an alliance, AND out of beginner's protection.
While this may not solve the issue in the long run, it would place a deterrent from abusing this loophole within a short period of voting time.
This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Governor Voting (spam votes).- view 1 more comment
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would not work, they would still vote with alts,, and everyone would complain, since there would be no transparency,, and most people would complain and say Evony, just picked sides, and awarded the Gov spot. I know I would not trust Evony to be honest about it,,, over a week goes by, and all we get is,,, "oh gee,, I thought we already answered this,,, " great work there,, way to stay on top of things
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Hi Thantium, yep people who create alts and vote with alts, would do so, and probably at a more rampant pace than they do already, especially if they had no clue what the vote tally is. I think the answer is to just make it difficult for them to use an alt to vote...then it would slow it down tremendously...
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Ding your the 1 that must have the alts cause i sure dont takes 20 hrs a day every day farming on my account just to feed the troops. You must be 1 of Mayhems many alts!
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I also think that if you do not log on for a certain amount of time your account sshould be removed from that server. I know this is beyond the alt conversation but this needs to happen as well. Will also remove some alt in the process. Lack of activity means removal from the game.
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Thought a little about this issue. So I will give a idea.
Since the GOV is voted on by everybody and they are there for the people of the server, Maybe they get booted from their alliance as soon as he/she takes the job and is unable to join an alliance during their term they are not able to attack anybody and if somebody places one of their cities in suppression or colonizes it they are unable to use thier powers until such time that his cities are free.
Or maybe if any of his cities are being attacked --flashing scroll?
This would give a little more incentive for the GOV working for the people and not any such alliance-- we already can't see what we are writing in AC as GOV. So there is no great lost there. It gives less incentive for an alliance to make tons of alts just to get the position in there hands. Still allows them to "control" the position but has a penalty for not doing a good job. Might also need a min. # of cities the gov is required to have and if it goes below that powers are suspended.
Just think of it the Gov goes to help somebody from his Klan and some alliance attack all his cities so then people are using besiege to save the GOV and restore his powers! would make the game pretty interesting. -
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Haven't heard a peep recently. They show it as being in progress, but not sure where on the list, they have this as far as being a priority. To me, it's extremely important, but to Evony probably not so much.
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yo peep's anyone had any other good ideas to achieve this besides everyone making alts to. lol
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rofl Brian there is a lot of drama isn't there? sometimes I do think we are already watching Lifetime on Evony hehe
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I agree with Brian Welchel, just remove governor all together. they are really limited in their power. The alts are just cluttering up the play field. On all the servers we all go thru the same mud slinging crap each week and it is really getting old. The only real advantage to having a governor is to raise loy but we have held up loy on many cities that the owner was not on at the time of attacks and it all comes down to excellent teamwork by the alliance.
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Hey babbit, yep I'm to the point I'm very fed up with all the governor voting with alts. It continues to happen week after week, and Evony's progress on fixing this seems to have come to a stand still. Bard said it correctly, if you don't make alts to keep up with the votes, you loose...and we have lost the vote continually for weeks now. Doesn't matter how many votes we can be up by, they make as many alts as it takes for them to win governor on the last day. I'm sorry, I'm not about to sit around and make alts to vote, I have much better things to do with my time.
Time to speed it up Evony...this fix is taking too long.- view 3 more comments
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uhmm no one asks you to read the posts here....you can excuse yourself from this thread at anytime and you don't have to listen to the "snivelers"
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Why have a governor? To me it does not improve the game and gives a one week advantage to an alliance that has proved it's self already. I spent one year as the uinderdog of not having the gove power and we struggled to cap 12s, 14s and above was impossible. We only gained governorship when huge players left over the queen fix, then the food multi-tap fix... Now we have control of governor for sometime and it's too easy to hold cites, and somewhat boring as the oppostion attack less too.
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Think I'll switch off notifications as this is a flamming thread more than anything else, dont wnat my mail spammed with the nonsense it just got.
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*hug* Frederick, I'm sorry you've had to endure the flaming in this thread. Sadly, it was never my intention when I created this topic, for people to come along and flame....several of us had come up with what we found to be a nice solution to fixing the alt vote. I totally understand why you are turning your notifications off on this thread, and I appreciate your thoughts that you did add.
Take care -
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Alts are created for many reasons, that's why..
farming
governorship
uprising
drafting
All, and maybe more, need looking at -
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I agree with Burkert here. as alt are for various reason.
1) For Spying and stealing and releasing vallies from red alliances. Basicly there throw away trash account one is willing to loose if found out or wiped out.
2) Cities given to them by player who quit or from scratch alts for feeder or draft cities for HC's
3) To hold extra cities or Heroes for use later on by alliances.
4) To provide uprising or to colonize a city about to be taken.
5) when the loosing alliance needs that extra 20 or so votes to win win Gov.-
its funny when Burkert posted this he was in the same alliance with me on na25 fighting an alliance that held gov- when we got gov, yes it changed things drastically.. its IRONIC i read this now- because i JUST found this thread a couple days ago and was in WC talking about it and recruiting people here to put more influence onto the changes evony needs to make
Whats Ironic? the alliance Burket and i played in split into 2 that are not red with each other- they hold gov the side of the fence im on is utterly frustrated with their 24x a day loy raising with gov power on the same player-
Upon bringing notice to this thread in WC burkert (Iroh on na25) jumped all over me about how unfair it is to take the Gov ability and how they 'EARN' that with their dedication and activity in voting....
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Has a timeline been set by evony for when this will actually be fixed? 1 month? 2 months? 3 months? this is creating a major imbalance on most servers and need to be fixed urgently...
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none that I know of. It has to be the most complicated catch 22 issues of the game considering the pro's and cons of Alts and how you could adress them without causing a bigger issue then the alts have created.
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hi clowishnebula, we have not heard of a timeline on this, just shows in progress. Take care.
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:O I see no hello to meeeeeeeeee. What are they going to do Angel as I am not sure they want to agreess this issue. Really going after things people use to stay compeditive but not adress this yet.
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Hi bard hun, sorry I didn't hello you too...btw I forgot your in game name...was gonna whisper you the other night but couldn't remember.
I agree...this doesn't seem to be much of a concern of evony's. I've even sent in CS tickets about alts being used around HC's to cover all the places to port...and when I say alts...I mean they appeared overnight after we hit an HC once...and do you know...those alts were allowed to stay and are still there? Evony did nothing but leave them where we still can't get to that HC. It's like our customer service complaints often fall on deaf ears...so why shouldn't this as well.
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I dont think they ever even read the customer service tickets unless its reguarding a payment- every CS ticket i have ever submitted not related to a payment has received the same generic response i get on all the others- all of them with 0 further response.. that they are 'investigating' and 'cant tell me the results blah blah blah'
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Enough already! The govenor idea is a failure, we all get it. Whatever the original goal was, it has led to cheating and frustration!
Let's stop trying to fix a failue. We learned this game without govenors, we liked this game without govenors, and we can play it again tomorrow without govenors.
It's time to end the mistake. Remove the govenor function, its voting, and its powers. The players and the game really don't need it! -
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My idea is simple. Your vote for Governor should only count if you own a Lord or Lady of the Realm (i.e. King or Queen).
Get a King or a Queen and you get the ability to vote.
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too easy these days when bots can be set to complete your quests for you-
you wouldnt even need to cap your level 8 and 10- the person with the alt could set the bot up for a day or 2 (many many bots from the same PC)- then from his main account break and loy a 8 down let the alt cap it- then a 10 boom they have multiple voting alts..
granted it would make it more difficult- there are people here with no jobs, no wifes, no girlfriends that sit here all day every day and do this type crap- Cant seem to stop players from operating multiple accounts- so .. whatever if they are running a few 'legitimate accounts' that are actually attacking and defending- whatever- its game status - title, whatever allows it to vote cant help that.. fact is advanced accounts that have been used and not just created to vote can vote- its the being able to put very little work in to vote that needs to be stopped. -
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KING/QUEEN? really? i have the troops to get queen in like 2 weeks but i dont do it for like 8 weeks. thats just stupid in my opinion. maybe something like you have to have a lvl 5 resource field and a lvl 5 townhall etc. something easier but harder than 1k prestige to vote.
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I agree with Draknor, Get a King or a Queen and you get the ability to vote
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Draknor has by far the best and simplest solution!!
It makes internal sense for the game and solves the problem. SO easy to implement from a coding perspective as well. Win-win-win- view 2 more comments
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lol draknor what server u on must not have any red to attack if they all vote for the same player
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Just make it random so that when someone logs into Evony they win governor for the week (or day). Just make it totally random without being affected by player interaction. Any player interaction involved in deciding governor and it will be exploited somehow.
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I say just get rid of Governor, the office serves no purpose other than maybe getting other ppl to do evony's job. We only vote to minimize the time that an idiot get the office and abuses it.
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I agree that players have learned how to abuse the system. That's why we are here talking about it. Let's focus on a solution to the problem of stopping the alts from unfairly stuffing the ballots.
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i normaly dont bother posting thing but your allance uses more bots and alts than any i have seen on evony. i have atked and nocked down citys only to find out there running a bot. people who are in a allance that uses them shouldnt come here and complain about things there doing.
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Any partial fixes don't go far enough...on my server we have people with 10 alts, all on bots and multiple 15 star sets....how long does it take to meet any of these intermediate requirements when people use alts with bots and literally have a billion troops(or more) under their control.
the ONLY solution is to get rid of the alts and get rid of the bots. All the other suggested cures are just bandages to hide the real problem. -
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Look at this. Eight months on and nothing has been done about it. It's pathetic. Sort it out evony, you're driving your own players away.
A simple and big problem in the game which was reported ages ago has not yet been fixed. I'm sure there is an easy solution around it.
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Yeah i bet Evony would respond to issues- not just this 1, but ALL issues the players felt needed to be addressed if all the spenders did a boycott on swiping their credit card..
Imagine that- course we all want to port around and attack and excal our hhs, imagine if the players/alliances red and blue just held a big temporary truce, nobody spent a dime and told evony now they have figure that out without any income...
bet that thar would getcha some results lol -
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Although this IS an old post it is definatly a topic that needs to stay in circulation until dealt with..
I play on na25, where 2 players alone have created alt alliances consisting of 30-40 20k pres accounts- they used these accounts to surround their 16s with so nobody could get withing 10-15 miles of them THANK YOU EVONY FOR MAKING THOSE 1 CITY ALTS CAPABLE!!!, but these 1 city alt accounts created for surrounding and voting to effect the Gov position- are STILL voting in whatever favor they are turned toward..
i AGREE, and suggested in my own alliance that maybe an account should reach furstin title to be able to vote- or even make it to where each days vote costs you say- 5-10 BLUE GEMS.. these 1 city alts created to farm do not have titles to take furstin packs off FB to be botted to collect gems for voting- Of course the people doing these alt accounts to vote would cry about this- but the reality of the situation is this . 1. if you do not yet have your 15 set, you are constantly farming gems to acquire it or get closer to it. you will have some spare gems to vote with . 2. if you do have your 15 set, you are still farming npcs and getting plenty of gems to vote with- i have had my 15 set for a while now and have in excess of 10k each red and blue gems.
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post note.. 'i cant win gov?' lmao im not even a canidate
as for using alts to save spots on doorsteps? lmao whos alts is it that surround our 0,0? i believe those belong to you guys.. we cant get rida those friggin things cuz they are all botted.. we try daily to get rida those but soon as u see them hit in WR you send them res for the 10 mil food to comfort on ur stupid lil waitres command in your bot- you forget, when i was away and returned the phone conversations i had about the accounts that were botted and 1 ur own guys will tell you how furious i was to find out the person i left in control of my account for a months and a half ran 1 on MY account in that time...
to the message board- pardon my rampage, these are the people we deal with that constantly break the rules and slung mud, that contest every rule change evony suggests because it takes their backdoors and loopholes away ,, same people that cried when speech texts became limited because they can no longer just set their hc up to speech every 50 minutes because they run out of them pretty quickly.. This is the same guy when i hit his HC would send me the commands to the bot to speech every 50 minutes in whisper and tells me 'im going to bed have fun!"
THIS IS WHY EVONY NEEDS TO RESPOND. its not that its just gotten outa hand, but its become flagrant.
'your just as guilty of what you are accusing others of,'
yeah and im here complaining about it to evony and the evony community- yet they arent.. just come here to slander me because they mock those trying to get changes made ,, any1 checking on na25 can see what the real deal is. -
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PS Duck, why dont you come here and post legitimate threads pretaining to the topics in discussion/thought and solutions?
it appears you just come here for unwarranted slander, which you just got called on-
Try actually contributing to the evony comminity with thoughts comments and suggestions instead of just using these boards (the evony forum included) to sling mud on players actually making suggestions commenting on others input and using the Evony boards for what they were meant for. -
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Another thought-
perhaps the issue in general is being wrongly addressed-
The GOV position is meant to save a player's city who is not online at the time broke and under loy- thus buying them some time to get online and raise loy manually- Gov power is NOT (i dont believe) supposed to prevent a city cap indefinatly as it is overused to do. We are seeing 24 loy raises on the same player a day on our server.
With this being said, the alt voting would become obsolete if Evony were to restrict the amount of times a certain player can be raised in a 24 hour period by the Gov- OR not allow the Gov to raise a single player's loy every hour- or perhaps put a 2x/2 hr limit it on it- Your offline, broke, your city is being loyed, the Gov can raise you 2x this would buy you 3 hours (1 hour to loy down, Gov raise, another hour to loy down, Gov Raise) if your happyself isnt on by the end of that 3rd hour.. The alliance holding GOV has had the benefit of a power giving the alliance and absent player a chance at saving the city.
Remember guys- i know alot of you out there wont like this idea, because some of you are involved and benefitting from these 24x a day raised. but this is a wargame- not a collect hcs and hhs never for another player to ever be able to capture them from you. In this wargame, for sure.. we need to see more captured cities and heros. -
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on my server i made over 1k alts, told my crew the email/passwords so they could vote etc. Only made em cus the other side were at it and its stupid really but IMO evony is to blame for letting people manipulate the game so easily and on top of that they dont really do much about it.
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Hey evony if this guy is linked here thru his FB he logs into evony with - there is your proof of cheating right there.. BAN HIM!!!
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Jeez this is crazy...
thread was created 11 months ago, has a very large following, not yet 1 opposition i have seen reading through it- probably because anyone opposing this idea would be spammed as being the ones creating these alts to vote..
WHATS UP EVONY?!?! EVERYBODY WANTS THIS CHANGE AND ITS FAR PAST DUE! -
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it's not just alts to vote for gov imo. to be honest, most people can't play fair as it is and build countless alts botted down, not just for gov, but to draft more troops than they can build and/or loose in a fight. i honestly think that the main reason that evony hasn't simply disbanded the alts and teh bots is because the servers would simply disapear. i myself didn't use to bot. but seeing how it's taking 3k in browns and another 600 in blues just to get me to 9 stars (which is redicuous) i'm just not so into evony to play for 24 hours anymore.
however, the gov thing needs to be addressed. on na39 there has been one gov for 9 months straight. everytime we get close to changing it, they run away again with the votes.
if it were up to me, there wouldn't be 2 votes from the same mac address, the last gov wouldn't be allowed to run for gov again, it would simply not count that vote at all completely waisting the vote entirely. -
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Easiest and simplest solution,make people confirm email addresses,if you have to make an email and then make an alt it would take a lot longer to produce them,also raising required voting to 100k pres would kill voting alts completely it would take hours vs minutes to get them working,most wouldn't even bother
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This topic is over a year old. Dave any update on this. The abuse of governor powers far outweigh the benefits of having a governor. Why not remove from game, governor powers are easily abused. An alt account voted in as governor and used by multiple players to raise city loyalty on cities they leave completely undefended. its brazen. voting alts etc. Just drop governor from game, disable the damn thing. Will force players to use speech texts, comforting, trucing or got forbid troops. lol Alliances will have to send food, gold and reinforcements to save a city. Remove it from game and just see how more active servers get btw evony will also financially benefit from disabling governor. Think about it...
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Evony doesnt even read these.. its ridiculous.. complain to them through the 'CONTACT US' option in game, and they refer you here while things are 'In Consideration' for 1-2 years at a time.. and no official responses really from Evony. no solutions.. nothing..
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Still no answer I see. Was hoping something would happen with this. On CC5 now the votes can be in excess of 2000. Alt city... Also HC's are surrounded by these voting alts making attacks take hours.
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