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I’m very frustrated and mad

2yr Temple reserve for Temples also!

you put a time limit on names in America, How about put a time cap on temples holding Names!!!!!! I wished that was the same for temples that take names from the share. Meaning a temple only can keep a name for 2yrs and then must spend it on this would help the temple with share names. I am very mad over this issue, Yes I understand it takes time for temples to them, but I also feel some times names get lost.
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  • Ron Tanner (FamilySearch.org Product Manager) August 02, 2016 14:36
    The temple does not take names and hold them. The system allows users to share their names with the temple and it remains in the pool of names the temple can draw from for those who come without family ordinance cards. Today they come off the list when done or when the sharer requests them back.

    We are reviewing how this works and determining if changes should be made.

    What is the issue that is prompting this statement?
    • For me it is male names that sit for three or more years since the last ordinance was performed. This is a "known" issue.
    • As someone whose names are clearing much faster than some of the people who post here, I have normally blessed my good fortune and been quiet when this issue was raised. All my names shared with the temple are currently finishing in less than two years. And I normally have over 1,000 going at a time, so really can monitor them.
      But first in first out really is the only fair way to do the work, even if that means some of us lucky ones have to wait longer. I know I actually have refused to request a ward record change following my move to another state for over a year now because I did not want my names moved to a new temple district where they might take much longer to complete. We should not need to game the system in this way.
      I do have a problem with certain sealing ordinances just sitting in my shared with the temple file. Sitting there long after others I submitted later in time were completed and removed from the system. Not sure if there is a computer glitch there or not.
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  • Ron, I am Prompting this statement, because I feel names are too slow and I am not sure who is at fault, I also have some name that have been printed and stuck, with no movement for long periods of time. I always thought temples took from the share and Held them, but I am wrong. so I just feel their needs to be a better way of getting name to temples evenly, at the same time they should not keep them for long periods of time. I might had said this in the wrong format of words or wording, but I am just getting ticked at how slow some temples are and others are quicker.
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    Distribution of shared names is, as I understand it, based on where you actually live and your shared ordinances go to your local Temple. So if you live in an area where there is a Large LDS population (such as western US States), the shared ordinances get done much quicker than in areas around the world which have smaller LDS populations. I have loads of male ordinances still from 2011.( Having a disability and not being able to easily travel to the Temple or sit through Temple sessions, I greatly rely on others. Otherwise I would get them done myself)

    It would seem to me (what do I know?) that it would be a good Idea if there was greater movement of shared ordinances from Temples in LDS strongholds to those in other areas of the world. This would mean that there would be less of a disparity in the time that ordinances are on the shared lists. I believe that this type of movement happens to a limited extent now, but only if Temples with a high turnover of names is running out of shared names.

    It seems that if you are outside the 'Utah bubble' you are more likely to have to wait much longer for shared ordinances to be done. HOWEVER..... I recognize that there may be some very good reasons why it is the way it is and I support the Brethren in whatever they deem to be the best way of dealing with this.
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  • Colin if you have some names from 2011 you should tell Salt Lake and really get mad they are not done. I have also suggested to let people choose where their names get done, some temples are quicker and others are slower, yes that includes that western bubble area that your are talking about.

    It bothers me some to the point that I am speaking up and trying to get people talking about ways to get the names more evenly to temples that need them, some people from smaller temples have complained on here about not have enough names. so I am unsure what is going to happen, but the share does need improvements. I also have some name that were and are printed at temples and have been stuck for some time, I had this happen at least three times. so who knows how to put it and what to say, but people need to really look at this issue.

    Colin another suggestion is un-reserve them and re-serve them, I done that, but some times it helps and other times it don't . all I can say is good luck and I hope your names get done.
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  • Tmanning I am not trying to rig the system, I am just complaining how slow and trying to get people to speak up and come up with ways to fix the issues with system.
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    I am not saying you were. I was referring to my ability to keep my own names on the faster track by keeping my Church membership in a temple district i no longer live in.
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  • I’m Hopeful, the church will get the issue fixed in the future.
    Yes, I know you were referring to that so all is good to me, I should have stated more, in reguards of the timing issues, my points are how some temples are slow and others are quicker and it is very extremely not fair.
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  • I live in what has been called the western bubble and because we have a big lds membership in my area there are quite a lot of people in our area doing there own family names which is what they should be doing. The frustrating thing is that the people whose names we have shared with the temple now sit for 3 or more years at least. Especially the males. I do wish that the temple names put on the shared temple list did not stay in my temple district. I don't care what temple does the work but it would sure be nice to see the temple work getting completed. I wish that the temple list was just one big list and it didn't matter what temple reserved the names. When you share a name it should go into one large pool (not done by temple district) and then every temple printed cards from that one list.
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  • I’m hopeful that info helps
    The church is changing the way the name go through the share, it is very high up on list of things that the church is currently doing, they say it should be done in some time in 2019, lots of People that got mad over how long the names are taking, when they get fininshed it should speed names up and fix most issues. they are trying to move the share to a first in first out way of doing them, if they get it to work, it should fix most issues of name going very slow.
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  • There may be some improvement and equality than can be done by changing the internal process but the primary reason it takes so long is the size of the pool and the number of temple patrons who draw from the temple names rather than taking their own name, family member names or friend or ward member names. As long as this situation remains there will be a backlog that will take time to work through.

    One not well published change that has been made is than any name assigned to the temple will be released to any user if they can demonstrate a relationship that is consistent with church policy and they specifically request through support to have the name released to them. This allows more members to do ordinance work for related family members. It does take a few days to process the request but may be worth considering for those who wish to take a family name to the temple
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    Jennifer, the problem of names sitting with a number of years between initiatory and endowment is caused by two problems.

    Currently, names are assigned to the patron's local temple district. When a temple needs names to give to patrons, it requests those names associated with the ordinance from the current system. Those names are then "pushed" to the temple for their use.

    The system is the same that was used with newFamilySearch, according to Ron Tanner when he announced that the temple reservation and ordinance section was being reworked with new software that could handle the increased load. He also said that it would resolve "stuck" ordinances and place all temple-shared names in a single pool.

    Under the new system, for which a lot of resources have been dedicated, a temple will request names for a specific ordinance, and then "pull" those names from the overall pool. Those names will be supplied on a first-in, first-pulled basis, meaning that the name that have been sitting the longest will be pulled. This is going to result in a vast improvement in the way the names are handled.

    But...

    That will not resolve the second problem where patrons reserve many thousands of names and share them with the temple. We recently had a discussion with a patron who was complaining that the system was losing the names he had reserved.

    It turned out that there were several problems. One was that he was not validating that he was actually related to the persons involved. It turned out that he simply taking all persons with a given surname and reserving them and then sharing them with the temple. He said he had over 28,000 names reserved.

    The new system will not resolve that kind of problem. We have seen others complain about the system being slow to load the temple list -- that they have well over a thousand names that they have shared.

    During the discussion another patron mentioned that there is consideration given to limiting the number of names a patron can share into the temple system to about a thousand names. That would resolve a lot of the problem created by patrons who grab names, do not validate their relationship, and reserve them and share them into the temple system.

    To me, that is in conflict with the idea that we are to prepare a record of our ancestors and relatives that is "worthy of all acceptation" when it is presented to the Lord in the temple.

    Unfortunately, FamilySearch does not stress the importance of quality over quantity. Far too much of the site is aimed toward numbers, numbers, and numbers, regardless of the quality of the work. That approach has placed a low priority on the feature that would allow us to correct/change/add to FamilySearch-Indexed records. It is something that has been needed from the very beginning of the current indexing program, which goes back about a decade or so in time.

    Time is not the problem, in my mind. It is those individuals who want to have entered the most names and had their work done, all without taking the time to do the research needed to validate the records.

    I've recently had a problem with a person in that I have a death date (thanks to a Find a Grave record (and photograph), but nothing to validate the date or provide a place where the death took place. So these things take time.

    The thing that I've personally done is to restrict my reservation to less than 200 persons, so that I may be able to complete their work. For relatives, there are enough people "harvesting" names without contributing to the research, that the names I leave documented, but did not reserve, are being picked up by relatives and the work is getting done more quickly.
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  • Tom I could not say it better,, Cheers, I hope and pray they get it done soon, many people are really waiting on it.
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