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4 Temple cards per page

3 of 3 Suggestions to improve the Family Name Card Print sheets.

I've seen some temples print out 4 cards in a 2x2 grid in landscape orientation. Make this option available for patrons to print at home.
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    This has been requested in the past. FamilySearch personnel have reported that a large number of printers (including many old models) were tested before they settled on providing only three cards per page. Evidently, there are some "letter" paper sizes and printers that do not support margins to resolve the problem. Also, not all of the printers could output Landscape printed pages.

    In North American (the United States and Canada), we use letter-sized paper that measures 8.5 x 11 inches.

    Most of the rest of the world use a ISO (International Standards Organization) standard of 8.3 x 11.7 inches. Printer-based margins (which vary from printer to printer) prohibit printing 4 cards on the ISO "Letter" sized page.

    The instructions say that the printer should be set to print "Portrait" mode to print the correct size. Note that you have demonstrated a page using "Landscape" mode.
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  • I've done a little more research on this. Here's a link to a discussion page on printer margins.

    https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3...

    It is largely agreed that 0.25 is the largest minimum margin in any modern printers.

    I've attached 2 images that show the margins for a 4 card, landscape arrangement on both Letter size & A4 size paper.

    The letter size paper has 0.50 margins on all 4 sides. The A4 size paper has 0.60 inches left & right and 0.38 top & bottom, which is well within the 0.25 margin goal.

    So, save paper, faster & easier to cut. No brainer.

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  • I've already provided the reason for the decision that was told to us by FamilySearch when this was raised before: "FamilySearch personnel have reported that a large number of printers (including many old models) were tested before they settled on providing only three cards per page. Evidently, there are some "letter" paper sizes and printers that do not support margins to resolve the problem. Also, not all of the printers could output Landscape printed pages."

    At issue are older printers. Remember, FamilySearch is international and not everyone has access to today's modern printers. As such, the design with only three cards was adapted.

    Now, if needed, I suppose that someone from FamilySearch can respond, but normally the will not take the time from their busy schedule.
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  • Understood that this is why they've done what they've done. I'm providing an alternative conclusion.

    Here's my thinking:

    1. I'd guess that 99% of all printers can print 4 cards per page.
    2. 100% of people can get prints done at the temple, if they happen to be in the 1% that can't print at home.
    3. If an estimated 10 million family cards are printed every year. Currently that is about 3.33 million sheets of paper. It could be reduced to 2.5 million sheets of paper. That would save approximately 830,000 sheets of paper. That is about $11,000 worth of paper saved, and about 83 trees.
    4. I just did a test and it took me about 2 1/2 minutes to cut 30 cards. That's about 5 seconds per card. 10 million cards would take about 14,000 hours. A 25 percent savings would save about 3500 hours, which is about 430 eight hour work days.
    5. I've already seen 4 cards per page printed at the Salt Lake Temple.

    Given these 5 reasons, why don't they just make the 4 cards per page layout the standard, perhaps leaving the 3 cards per page as an option.

    Thanks,
    David
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    • Is there a way to pass this suggestion on to the Temple Department?
    • You can go up through your Priesthood leaders, starting with your Stake President. Be sure to provide him with printed documentation and your arguments, which are very good, by the way. Ask him to escalate your request to the Brethren and have it passed to the appropriate general authority.
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  • David

    This post of yours is so great.

    The only additional "Tweak" that I would suggestion to this post of yours is, as I responded in one of your other posts to do with "Temple" Cards:

    Additionally, make those "Dashes" surrounding "Each" Card much thicker, similar to the size (thickness) on the Image of the original post (or, better still, even thicker than), for quicker and easier (and better) "Cutting" with "Scissors".

    Extend dashed cutting edge lines ... [ 2 of 3 ]

    https://getsatisfaction.com/familysea...

    Again, great post.

    Brett
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  • I can definitely see how the current layout is more user friendly. My own printer won't automatically detect whether it needs to print landscape or portrait, and I know a lot of people have problems figuring out printer settings. But every time I print the cards, I think to myself, "gee, that wastes a lot of paper."

    Maybe add a note on the page recommending people recycle the excess paper? I don't know... perhaps the best way to save paper is to just bring the barcode number to the temple and have them print it there. I am glad we have that option. It is nice to have multiple options for multiple circumstances.
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  • One error in your calculations David is the assumtion that everyone prints a "full" or complete page of cards. I find many people will only print a single card which is significantly more wasteful. I do not believe that the majority of the the users really are concerned about paper costs. If they were they could print FORs and have the temple print the cards. The FOR could have many cards provided with a single sheet and the cards are printed with paper provided by the temple. Also another conservation issue would be to require cards be printed with all ordinances, I tend to print Bap/Conf on a card and print Init and endowment on separate cards because I provide them to other family members. As you can tell printing several cards for the same person is also wasteful but satisfies my needs better that printing a single card. I do not know exactly why the 3 card setup was chosen and how that decision was made, but ti works find for me and there is minimal fiddling to make sure the printer is appropriately configured,.
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  • David

    Do not get too discouraged by any of the responses.

    This post of yours is a great post; and, 'food for thought' for "FamilySearch".

    Who knows, things may have "Changed" significantly since "FamilySearch" did its testing on the various printers and browsers.

    And, another 'spin' on the matter is that, "FamilySearch" could so easily just adjust or 'tweak' the actual "Size" of the Cards; so, as to fit Four (x4) or more Cards on an A4 (or American Standard) sheet of paper (either, Portrait or Landscape) with sufficient 'margins' to suit, just about, all printers and browser set-ups.

    I am certain that this suggestion of yours IS, at least, being considered (or reconsidered, as the case may be) by "FamilySearch" as we speak.

    I would suggest that you, 'stay tuned for up-dates/releases', who knows what may transpire over time (but, just don't hold your breath).

    I am always the optimistic pessimist.

    Good luck with this suggestion of yours.

    Personally, I hope it comes to fruition

    Brett
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