Can I browse a collection that has not been indexed

The San Francisco Mortuary films, some were indexed and some way pointed. Does the new FSbeta allow for browsing a collection? If not, you cannot find a person unless they had been indexed.
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  • The ability to browse or move to previous/next image has not yet been added to the beta test. When this feature is added more collections will be able to migrate from Record Search to the Beta test. For the present image only collections remain on Record Search, the browse capability for indexed collections like US Census and other collections with images is not available. Once the feature is added in the coming weeks you will be able to test it.
    New features will be added to the test site as engineers work through the transfer process.
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  • Today we released a new version of the website that allows the navigation forward and back in an image set.

    If you land on a census or probate record for example, you will now be able to see the next or previous image in the set.

    Please try it out and let us know what you think.
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  • I’m frustrated
    Sadly, this does not appear to solve the problem unless I misunderstood. The
    entries in the early years, as you know, could not be indexed given the stated
    format. All that could be done was a name and a date. I have (today) been to
    both the beta site and the pilot site. Entering a surname does not do any good
    because the names have not been indexed. Entering a date does not do any
    good---both sites want a name. Going forward and/or backwards a page does not
    do any good because one must get to a page in the first place, and those pages
    in the early ledgers are not accessible. At one time all the ledgers were
    there. Now one must order in a film out of storage and hope that it, among
    many, many films is the "right" one.

    Did I miss something? A number of my ancestors were in these ledgers, which I
    have looked at out of storage at San Francisco Public Library. Try the name
    FARLEY in 1850 for starters.

    Nancy Peterson, Research Director
    California Genealogical Society
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  • Cullen Brimhall (Help and Support Product Manager) September 15, 2010 23:24
    Rose,

    We have decided to put up all the images we have even if the index doesn't exist so that people can at least browse them with way points. Better than nothing right? Some of them are on the site now, others will come over time. Below is a screen shot of where to look for this browsing feature. Just click on the California Area funeral collection and then drill down into San Francisco at the bottom.
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  • I’m Sad
    Why did you change the ability to browse through the entire record of Philadelphia Marriage Indexes? The old system allowed me to go through the record alphabetically, to find both the bride and the groom. Now, the system "decides" which image to provide.

    This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
    Can no longer browse the Philadelphia Marriage Index.
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  • I’m sad
    Are Irish church records available to browse? I don't see any 'View Images' link as shown in the screenshot above
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  • Kathleen, the collections available for Ireland at present are:
    Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881
    Ireland Deaths, 1864-1870
    Ireland Marriages, 1619-1898
    Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
    These are index only collections. The first three contain Source origins and you can use the film number and reference to locate the film number in the Family History Library Catalogue for details of the record. You may find https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Phot... helpful to either order a microfilm or in the case of single events to order photoduplicate of the event entry.
    Ireland Civil registration Index is an index of the General Register Office Ireland index volumes. There is no genealogical information beyond what you see in the index so we caution you not to order the microfilm only to find identical information to the online index.
    You will fine https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Irel... helpful if you are using the index to search it contains tips and explains several aspects of the organisation of records.
    If you need further assistance on any Ireland searches you can send feedback using the feedback button to send an email case to support @familysearch historical records. There are no image collections for Ireland at present .
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  • Thanks for the reply, I understand that the civil records are just an index, but if the image could be viewed then it should be possible to find for a marriage the name of a spouse as you can't search on any of the sites by film number volume etc.

    Do you is there any reason there are no image collections for Ireland if they are available to be viewed on microfilm and have already been indexed?
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  • Kathleen,
    The GRO Ireland Index does not include the spouse name in the marriage entry you will only see the given name, surname, Registration District , volume and page number. year or year / quarter appears at the top of some but not all images.
    Before 1878, registration indexes were arranged alphabetically by year. Since 1878, indexes have remained alphabetical but have been divided by each quarter of the years (e.g. 'January, February & March' etc.). Most registration indexes list only the name of the individual registered and the district, volume, and page number of that person's registration entry.
    There is prior to 1908 some dificulty with the typesetting used by the printers who compiled the GRO Ireland index. One example is the need to search for Mac or Mc prefix surnames as M' since this is the typeset used prior to 1908.
    The Ireland Vital Records collections https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Irel... were compiled decades ago from many record sources and at different periods. Unlike the Family Search indexing efforts nowadays they were compiled as index only and unless the source record is in future included in a FamilySearch indexing project it is not possible to attach images to the indexes. The entry fields used were aso much simpler than modern indexing might employ. It is possible to use the film number and reference to locate the original entry source. There are some errors in the older indexing and researchers need to use the index as a pointer to the source in much the same way as one would an IGI entry rather than the index entry itself.
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