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Checking that parents have been sealed before sealing children to them

I have several child to parent sealings to do but after looking at the parents a little closer I see that although I was able to reserve their ordinances, they can't (or maybe shouldn't) be done yet because the parent's work his incomplete and they are not sealed to each other.

Is there a way to determine that all necessary ordinances are performed prior to the sealing of children to their parents?

How do YOU manage this?

I would like to see the parent's ordinance statuses on the reservations list and possibly a flag on each ordinance to show that it is ready to be done or waiting for other ordinances I have reserved or in the more difficult to manage case that the ordinance is waiting for someone else to complete prerequisite ordinances. In the final case perhaps the ordinance shouldn't have even been available for me to reserve.
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  • On the reservation list the parents will be listed just to the right of where the child is listed. Click on the parent name for their ordinance status with completed ordinances shown in gray.
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    Yeah that's basically what I've been doing but it would be nice to not have to manually drill into each one which could be alleviated if the data came back in the initial data load.

    I guess the other side to my suggestion really goes back a step to when I am about to reserve the SP ordinance. If the parent's haven't been sealed because their endowments haven't been done and their endowments have been reserved and possibly shared with the temple system then it may be years before I can actually complete the sealing to parents. This I'd rather know before I reserve the ordinance. That's why I'm suggesting the ordinance should be flagged as "waiting" rather than show as available to be reserved.

    My personal process is that once I've done their endowment and if available, their sealing to spouse, then I look at the status of their parent's ordinances and if I can't complete their sealing then I unreserve the SP for the child. I don't see any reason to "sit" on the reservation and constantly check to see if the prerequisites are met.

    I am open to recommendations to simplify things if anyone can suggest an alternate process.
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  • The system forces you to request the SP even if you don’t want it. I would prefer that the SP not be reserved automatically when other ordinances are requested/reserved. I and some others have suggested this in the past and it is my feeling that familysearch will not budge on this issue.
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    • Pardon me

      This forum asks for “suggestions”. That is what I provided.

      DON’T BE NEGATIVE! This is not the place to stomp out a discussion.

      Thumper’s Rule:
      “if you can’t say something nice just say nutt’en at all”
    • Stating facts is not being negative.

      The system does not work that way and I would object very much if it did, all for the reasons already stated -- that there are instances where we are instructed to do the work for the child, including sealing to the parent, but not permitted to do the work for the parents to whom the patron is not related.

      That is why I said, "See my response below."

      Facts are facts and because of the bigger picture, the system does not work that way and very likely never will.
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  • I understand and am happy to work within the bounds that are set. I just want to know if I am correct to complete everything up to the Endowment and then unreserve the SP or should I hold onto it?
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  • Parts of what I am going to mention here has been debated too much on this board, but I do have a question for pondering on this topic.

    The instructions we have are that "Whenever possible, parents should be sealed to each other before the children are sealed to the parents." (Emphasis added.)

    Clearly if we are working on our relatives and have a child whose parents' ordinances are our responsibility and can be reserved and completed by us, those parents need to be sealed before we seal that child to them.

    We have also been clearly instructed by Ron Tanner on this board that if we have the spouse of a relative, we are to do all of that spouse's individual ordinances including sealing that spouse to his or her parents, even if the parents have no ordinances done, because it will never be possible for us to do ordinances for that spouse's parents.

    In the situation you describe, in which you have the sealing to parents reserved but the parents ordinances have been shared with the temple and may not be completed for ten years, since it is not possible to complete the ordinances for those parents does this also fall in the category of "Whenever possible" not being possible? Should we go ahead and complete those child to parents sealing just like we have been instructed to do for spouses?
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  • To Gordon’s well written question in his last paragraph. My personal feeling is that the “not possible” exception (Ron Tanner’s unrelated spouse- sealing to parent) should not be extended to the situation outlined. It has been my experience that you can get those shared temple names of the parents released either by the person who reserved them or by contacting FamilySearch, then get them done yourself. But I am currently within a day round trip drive to a temple. Only my opinion.
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  • "Is there a way to determine that all necessary ordinances are performed prior to the sealing of children to their parents?"

    Yes, but...

    It is not necessary that all parent ordinances be performed prior to the sealing of children to their parents.

    As Gordon mentions, this has been debated in numerous threads and people get it in their head that absolute order must be followed in performing the sealing ordinances.

    And as Gordon points out, the key words are "Whenever possible".

    There are times when a patron is not permitted to perform all necessary ordinances because the couple is not related to the patron (or no relationship has been established through research). But, a child of the parents is married to a relative of the patron and is therefore either an aunt/uncle or cousin through marriage to a relative. Patrons are responsible for completing the work of the spouse of the patron's relatives.

    So, the problem boils down to this:
    * Complete the ordinances for a spouse of a relative? -- yes, complete all the work for the spouse of a relative, including sealing to their parents.
    * Complete the work for the parents of a spouse of a relative? -- no, not permitted.

    The following is extracted from https://www.familysearch.org/ask/sale..., a member-only viewable article"

    Below are reasons the ordinances could show as done out of order on a record:
    -The names are from an extracted record. For example, if the extracted record was a marriage record, only the marriage information was available, so only the sealing to spouse was performed. The individuals still need their personal ordinances.
    - Ordinances were inadvertently or intentionally performed out of order in error.
    - Duplicate records for the person can be in Family Tree. Merge any duplicate records to correct the problem. The system displays the earliest ordinance date for each ordinance.

    "How do YOU manage this?"

    I follow the instructions, performing all the work for a spouse of my relatives, including sealing them to their parents. Note that the sealing belongs to the child, which is the spouse of my relative. I do no work for the parents of that child.

    My reasoning is that it is up to the relatives of those parents to complete the work and so I leave it for them to do. I add sufficient sources and complete as much as possible to establish who these unrelated people are, and I will chase down any duplicates to merge them, but if ordinances are available, I will not reserve them.
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  • Thank you for clarifying the process. I appreciate the feedback.
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