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Duplicate Mother

Happy Mother's Day! Do You Have Two Mothers Like Harry Does?
On the page
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/per...
you may view the records of my great-uncle Harry. He has two mothers,

Olive Ann Ramsey KL67-MNL and
Olive Ann Ramsey KL67-MNL,

Screen capture below...

Perhaps you will say, C'mon Woody, don't waste our time; just disconnect the second mother.

Well, I would. But there's no button to do that.

Previous discussions, not precisely relevant but maybe, who knows?
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  • The recommended procedure is to enter the husband's name for the second marriage, note the new entry's PID, and then once complete, merge the new entry into the original. That will pull the two records together and get rid of the second entry.
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  • Woody, if you open that second Olive (has no father) you'll see there is a child (Harry). Harry also shows in the upper family with Charles as a father. This could actually be legitimate, say Olive and an unknown biological father, and then a second family with Charles as the Step dad. But in this case it looks like an error by a user. 

    Here's how you fix this. Goto the Person page of Olive. And open up the bottom family and click on the pencil next to the child and Remove the child.
     
    • Surprised you haven't encountered this previously, Woody. I get this behaviour all the time when coming across merges. In cases where you are sure the child is that of the two parents (in this, case Harry the son of Charles and Olive) do exactly as Joe says. For the reason statement I usually show something like, "Child now correctly positioned beneath both parents on Tree".

      The other time you will see a similar layout on a person page is when a female (say Olive) had an illegitimate child.
    • I think I HAVE encountered this previously and probably whined about it on this forum and got about the same answer but you see I have so much good stuff in my head sometimes I can't find something I want. It's sort of like that big government warehouse full of crates, which one is the Ark of the Covenant?
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  • If you look at the change log, you will see that another user was working on merging and fixing relationships last December and while doing a merge of Charles Lamoreux • LYJT-NJ7 and Charles Andrew Lamoreux • 2DXL-ZVN lost relationships by not moving them over properly during the merge..

    The best thing to do is to go to Charles Lamoreux • LYJT-NJ7 by searching by the ID number, restore him, then re-do the merge correctly. This will properly merge relationships and best clean up the database. In addition, it will properly bring over any temple ordinances if previously done rather than discarding them.

    Here is the page you need to get to:



    Just click Restore Person over on the right hand side. That will put him back where he belongs in that empty husband spot. Then properly do the merge.
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  • I saw a hilarious cartoon, it fit certain situations, this being one of them. Samantha is walking her little dog. She meets Jeanie coming the other way. They exchange pleasantries, then one of them makes a remark that is misunderstood and it turns ugly. Jeanie does her little wavy arms thing, folds them and twitches her eyelids and poof! the little dog becomes a skunk. Then Samantha wiggles her nose and the skunk becomes a pit bull and starts biting Jeanie. So Jeanie turns it into a clam. But Samantha turns it into a shark. Jeanie turns it into a turtle. Samantha turns it into a snake. Jeanie turns it into a vulture. Samantha turns it into a frog. Jeanie turns it into an octopus. Samantha turns it into a horse. Jeanie turns it into an elephant. Samantha turns it into a pink elephant. Jeanie turns it into a weasel. Samantha turns it into a grasshopper. Jeanie turns it into a sea lion. This is so ridiculous that they both start laughing and they are reconciled. Then they unitedly turn the thing back into the original little dog.

    But, says the caption in the last panel, the dog was never the same again!

    I fear that if I followed all the advice here poor Harry would never be the same again. I have done what Tom said was recommended and it seems to have fixed it.
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  • This is an "all roads lead to Rome" situation. One of the great things about Family Tree and the skills of its designers and programmers is that there is often more than one way to accomplish a task and users can find the way that works best and most efficiently for them.

    All three of the suggestions above would have worked.

    My only objection with Joe's suggestions is that it carries the risk of creating one of those blue boxes on the sealing to parents line on the ordinance page which states the parents involved are no longer attached to the child. The other two suggestions, since they merge relationships rather than detaching relationships, never results in that blue box.
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  • Joe's method is the one I have always used - although I don't know where I got the idea from in the first place!

    However, as I have mentioned in previous posts, knowing the "best" way to act in some instances is difficult for patrons who are not LDS Church members - as we do not realise what problems might be caused when it comes to ordinances, sealings, etc.

    Must remember to try "Tom's method" next time. The only problem I have found doing things my / Joe's way is that I forget whether I should be removing the child or (one of) the parents!
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  • Here it is a year later and just after Mother's Day again and I am finding the same incorrect connection exactly. Since it's happening lots of times (see Paul's post above), there ought to be either

    1) a fix for the problem, including the merge process (family members cannot be aligned)

    2) put workaround instructions where folks can find them.
    • Woody, this requires a bit of work on the part of the user (you). You need to see if there are any children attached to that other marriage. If they are, they either need to be merged with their equivalent and then removed from the "couple" or if they have the same ID, just removed from that couple portion.

      I had to do that earlier with a situation in which I was cleaning up some records and ran into exactly the same problem. By removing the child, the second couple box "went away".
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  • Maybe there could be an add-on to Firefox which would, on invocation, open a popup with instructions for whichever of the three hundred thousand workarounds for FSFT is relevant.
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  • After some fiddling, I've come up with a procedure which I will recommend: We have what looks like two copies of the same family, but one of them is missing one of the parents:

    Mr. A (husband)
    Mrs. A (wife)
    Children B,C,D

    Mrs. A (wife)
    Children B,C,D

    My solution: Add Spouse for the second family, and copy/paste in the ID of Mr. A. Quick and simple and everything seems to fall in line.
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