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Enhancement: OrdinancesReady. Please request TEMPLE DEPARTMENT to consider increasing number of BAPTISMS & CONFIRMATIONS from 5 to 10 or 20

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"OrdinancesReady".

Please request the "Temple Department" to consider increasing the number of available "Ordinances" for "Baptisms" and "Conformations" from the current Five (x5) to, at least, Ten (x10); or, even, Twenty (x20).

I know that 'I am going out on a limb' here with this suggested enhancement; and, expect a 'back lash' from regular participants in this Forum; but, only Five (x5) such "Ordinances" for "Baptisms" and "Conformations" through "OrdinancesReady" is simply not enough.

And, I know there are other avenues ( such as One's own "Temple" List; and "Temple File" ) to obtain extra Work.

But, as you are in the "Baptistery", provided that you do not monopolise a Session, why not be able to do as many of your Ancestry as possible!?

Admittedly, certain of the other Work takes much long; and, it may take you a while to get through everyone to completion; but, Five (x5) in not enough - 'more please'.

'Thank You' in advance.

Brett

( Let the Fun and Games begin! )
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  • I do not know how the interaction between the Family History Department and the Temple Department works.

    But I can suggest that you run this up through the Priesthood leadership of the Church. Take this issue to your Stake President. If he agrees, he can champion it up through his channels.

    By the way, most temples have a strict policy of limiting baptisms to five persons per child who is being baptized as proxy for their deceased ancestors. This is especially true for family trips to the temple. I don't know if this also came down from the Temple Department or if this is left up to each Temple Presidency to decide.
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    Tom

    I am heading to my local "Temple" next week; and, hoping to meet with a Member of the "Temple Presidency" on another matter, I may get a chance to raise the matter there, at least I hope that I may.

    I am already starting to "nudge" (you may say, "irritate') my "Stake Presidency" about "Temple and Family History" Work in the Stake, more to do with the "Family History" Work side, than the "Temple" Work side.

    And, 'by-the-by' ...

    It would appear that the various "Temples" around the World operate slightly differently; which, of course, is dependent on their patronage.

    On Friday night my youngest had x14 "Ordinance" Cards, just in case; and, as it was, each Youth in the Group was able to perform (limited to) x10 "Baptisms" and "Confirmations".

    So, I really do not know if there is a 'hard and fast' rule/policy on the number of "Baptisms" and "Confirmations" that can be performed (limited to) at "Temples" 'per se'. I tend to believe that the actual number is left up to the discretion of the "Temple", dependent on their patronage.

    Having visited "Utah", I can well understand why there would have to be a lower limit on the number of "Baptisms" and "Confirmations" by an Adult and/or a Child during a Session. Those Members in Utah are certainly a "Temple" going people, who put most of us to shame, the car parks were always full, when a "Temple" is open.

    Yet, in "Laie Hawaii Temple", I know that we had the opportunity to do well over x5 maybe x10 or more of our extended Ancestors/Family in one go; but, that may have been that it was not too busy and they were so eager to accommodate Members from another Country.

    But ...

    All said and done ...

    I accept that the number of "Ordinances" for "Baptisms" and "Confirmations" through "OrdinancyReady" is driven by the "Temple Department"; hence, the way I phrased my original post.

    Too difficult to programme/code in "OrdinancesReady" for differences in the many different "Temple" Districts; but, you never know, in time, that may be possible, we can live in hope.

    Brett
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  • Brett -- how long does it take you to drive to the temple?
    I know many places in the U.S. (such as Branson MO) that is a 3 1/2 hour distance in any of 3 directions to the nearest temple(s). I was thinking about this yesterday -- in that case, a 7-to-8 + hour round-trip just to do 5 baptisms seems to questions the time value invested (at least for remotely-connected relatives).

    But then I realized that if someone is going to drive that distance, they won't do it alone. They'll bring a group with them. So then each person in the group could bring not only his/her own 5, but 5 more gotten from someone else's account who isn't going on that trip.

    Does any of this apply to your circumstances? My location is a 20-40 minute drive to any of 5-6 temples, but I hope the "5'" limit wasn't designed with my circumstances in mind.
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    Jon

    'G'Day' Mate.

    Hey, 'Thank You' for joining in on this post of mine.

    I really appreciate the thought behind your response.

    But ...

    'No', I do no believe that application of the limit, of Five (x5), by the "Temple Department", for the "Ordinances" of "Baptism" and "Confirmations", through "OrdiancesReady" was designed with only the "Salt Lake Valley" in mind.

    'Yes', I remember, not so long ago, standing at the "Draper Utah Temple" and actually seeing Five (x5) other "Temples" - emotionally 'Breathtaking' for us 'plebs' from "Down Under".

    A 20 to 40 Minute drive for you guys, in the "Salt Lake Valley", would seem like an eternity; whereas, to most of us around the World it would be like being "instantaneous".

    Our "Aussie" Member friend lived in Herriman and her local "Temple" was the "Oquirrh Mountain Utah Temple" (on the Hill); but, the "Jordan River Utah Temple" was close at hand and her back-up, if her local "Temple" was closed. She had her "Bag" packed and ready-to-go in the Car so that she could "Drop-In", during work breaks; and/or, after work on the way home - that was unbelievable for us.

    But, I certainly do not 'begrudge' the number of "Temples" in the Valley; as, I already indicated, you Members in Utah are certainly a "Temple" going people, who put most of us to shame, the car parks were always full, when a "Temple" was open.

    And, anyway, in our travels it did not matter what "Temple" we got the opportunity to actually visit (subject to Maintenance Closures), ALL the "Temples" would 'bend over backwards' to accommodate us folk from "Down Under" - from the other side of the World. The "Temples" would "Stretch" the limit, just to fit us in, when and where they could.

    A memorable one was the "San Antonio Texas Temple", we rocked-up for an evening session and did not realise that it was a "Spanish" Speaking session that the session was already fully pre-booked out, we said no probs and that we would be on our way (we would not get another chance); but, the "Temple President" heard what was going on and called us back; and, asked us to wait for just a moment. He came back to us and said, no problems, that we were good to go in - he was so kind enough to put two (x2) extra seats in the back of the room. We were handed the "Headphones" and off we went. One of those sessions that I will never forget. But, the same happened everywhere we went - I think that us "Aussies" Members from "Down Under" were a bit of an exciting "Novelty" to the Members in the United States of America.

    As I indicated, from our experiences with our travels, it would appear that the various "Temples" around the World operate slightly differently; which, of course, is dependent on their patronage. I really do not believe there is a 'hard and fast' rule/policy from the "Temple Department" of the Church as to the number of "Baptisms" and "Confirmations" that can be performed (limited to) at "Temples" 'per se'. I tend to believe that the actual number is left up to the discretion of the "Temple", dependent on their patronage.

    Now ...

    As to you question ...

    Our circumstances "Down Under" ...

    We are very lucky ( and "Blessed" ) these days ...

    Prior to 1984 we had to travel to "New Zealand" for our nearest "Temple".

    Then, in 1980 our first "Temple" was announced, the "Sydney Australia Temple" [ my local ].

    Groundbreaking in 1982; and, Dedication in 1984, a few Months after I became a Member.

    Funnily enough, unbeknownst to me, my non-members Parents, out of curiosity, I think, went to the "Open House" for the "Sydney Australia Temple" before "Dedication" - I was 'blown away', at the time, I was interstate and did not get back to Sydney until 1985 when my 12 Months was up.

    Nowadays, we have Five (x5) "Temples" here "Down Under" [ ie. Sydney ( New South Wales ), Melbourne ( Victoria ), Brisbane ( Queensland ) { aptly located in the Suburb of "Kangaroo Point" in Brisbane, over looking the Brisbane River and the City }, Adelaide ( South Australia ) and Perth ( Western Australia ) ].

    Although our population is nowhere near yours in the United States of America, most Americans were astonished to here that you can fit Australia and the main land US on top of each other, about the same distance from Sydney to Perth here; as opposed to, New York (NY) to Los Angeles (LA) over there.

    But, depending on where you live "Down Under" it can still be quite a "Hike" to a "Temple"; and, you usually plan for a Whole Day or a number of Days, depending on you circumstances.

    But, compared to the Members from some countries around the World, we "Down Under" consider ourselves humbly "Blessed" with the availability of "Temples" here.

    We personally are only about 39 to 43 Kilometres ( about 24.25 to 26.7 Miles ) from the "Sydney Australia Temple" - depending on the route you take ( 'Toll-Ways' are not always the fastest ).

    This afternoon ( about 4:30pm ) "LDS Tools" and 'Google' "Maps" says exactly 1 Hour (Avoiding 'Tolls').

    I have never done it in less that about 2 Hours on a good run - an Hour and Half maybe after hours without being caught up with traffic or accidents.

    But, in the morning, during peak hour, it can take up to 3 Hours ( Avoiding 'Tolls' or not ), easy - and, that is provided you do not run into any "snags" ( 'No', not "Sausages" ) along the way.

    When we did the Work for my Parents in 2015, it took us 3 Hours to get to the "Temple" for the morning sessions; and, then there was a 4 to 6 Hours break for the "Sealings".

    Too far to go home and back again; and, the "Temple" in on a busy main road, the only real place to go was the huge Shopping Centre Complex across the road (no way); so, as I always carry my "Laptop" with me, we went over next-door to the "Australian Area Offices" of the Church, to the "Family History Department"; and, asked if we could park ourselves somewhere in there for a couple of hours. Quite happily working away with my Wife, I even got to help a Full Time Missionary, who was serving a Family History Mission, who had only arrived x10 days prior from Utah, with finding some of his missing Ancestors (ie. Grandparents).

    So, here "Down Under" a "Temple" visit is usually planned well in advance; and, as I said, usually a whole day visit; or, a few days, depending on the distance you have to travel.

    And, 'Yes', being restricted to only Five (x5) "Ordinances" of "Baptism" and "Confirmations" through "OrdinancesReady" can be way too little for us "Down Under", for a planned visit.

    You have to remember that "OrdinancesReady" is more for the Members like yourself in Utah for a "Quick' visit to the "Temple", where you just need some Cards.

    As our visits are usually planned well in advance, we would do our homework before hand and have our ( Many ) Cards already "Printed" and stowed away in our "Bags".

    But, in a pinch, on short notice, "OrdinancesReady" is a tremendous boon for ALL of us - no question there.

    And, dispute all that, in relation to my original post, I still consider that at least x10 to x15 would be better than just x5 - hopefully, in the future, it may be able to be controlled through "FamilySearch" according to your local "Temple" District ( but, subject to change if you are travelling - dependent on where you log-in at the time ).

    Again, 'Thank You'.

    I hope that all makes sense.

    Brett
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    Although Ordinances Ready only gives you five names, you can use these five names as a starting point to find many more.

    Go to each name and check the ordinance status of siblings, parents and children. Use the pedigree views to look both up and down on the relationship line you connect with. You are almost certain to find more people needing ordinances completed.

    You may find many that have been shared with the temple, but I would imagine that if you messaged the submitter, have the relationship as documented from Ordinances Ready, and explain that you got one name from there and would like to take care of more, that you could accumulate as many names as you need and complete work for entire families instead of just one in a family here and there.
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    Yes, if people are traveling distances without access to a computer to continually log in to get more names this might be helpful. I wonder if people can go on the temple's computers and print out more names?

    I have a lot of names, and much prefer only doing 5 at a time for one reason: I LOVE to have my children and grandchildren and nieces and nephews have more opportunities at the temple, instead of doing a bunch at one time it is important to me for them to go multiple times. But then I only live 1/2 hour away from 2 different temples, 45 from another, so it is not as difficult as for those who are a greater distance away.
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  • Tom

    We had that meeting with a Member of the "Temple Presidency" of my local "Temple" today.

    Unfortunately, the Presidency is relatively new; so, I number of the things that I raised were 'taken under advisement'.

    What came out of the meeting, for me, was that there is another factor, for my locale, that I suspected; but, had not really factored in.

    And, that is, the availability of personnel on duty at a "Temple".

    That has a big factor, if you do not have the personnel numbers, you cannot provide a the service.

    Quite different here, than over in the big "Temples" in Utah and the others states in the USA.

    Over there in those big "Temples", you could walk in just about any time of the day or evening; and, be accommodated with what ever "Ordinance" Work you needed doing, over here, it is quite different, particularly subject to personnel.

    And, as to limits set by the "Temple Department" upon the "Temples" per se ... as far as I understand, there is none - it is up to the individual "Temples", depending on patronage and subject to the availability of personnel on duty.

    Brett
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    • Most of the membership here in Illinois does not have extensive ancestry in the Church. Many are converts. All of those who have extensive membership going back a number of generations have already moved to warmer climates.

      I know that down under is experiencing a lot of dry weather, but here, we are expecting the high for Wednesday and Thursday to be below zero F. On Wednesday, the high is expected to be -17 F and on Thursday, the high is expected to be -4 F.

      That's to Polar Vortex for you.
    • Tom

      'Yeah' ... my local "Temple" was the only "Temple" here, for a number of years; and, since the other x4 "Temples" commenced operations, patronage has 'dropped off' significantly.

      'Yes' ... our Stakes, Wards and Branches must provide / supply Support "Duty" Personnel for a Group visit.

      Brett
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  • Christine

    As far as I am aware, "Temples" do not have computers were Patrons can go along to and just access their own "FamilySearch" account to look for "Ordinances" to do; and, "Print" the Cards. That would be a nightmare for the "Temples". The "Temples" have enough to do. Not to mention the need for those computers to be in a location for Patrons to access. A logistical nightmare. Granted, though, I good situation for Patrons.

    And, in relation to your comment ... "I LOVE to have my children and grandchildren and nieces and nephews have more opportunities at the temple, instead of doing a bunch at one time it is important to me for them to go multiple times."

    I agree that would be great if you had many Generations in the Church, like in Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Illinois, Missouri, etc; but, in other parts of the World, such is not always the case. I am a First Generation and my Wife is a Second Generation, one consolation for us is that she has a big family of Members.

    Even if you are limited to only x5 or so at a time / session, it would be nice to have the extra x5 or so 'in hand', just in case they could be completed; or, if needed by others, in your Family (for a Family visit) or the Group (for a Group visit). It never hurts to have a few extra 'up you sleeve' - just in case.

    Brett
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