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Why doesn't the catalog list item numbers?

It looks like there are multiple items for this film number. Where are the item numbers?
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  • I’m confused
    This is a problem on all title records in the catalog. Item numbers are essential to guiding patrons to the records they need!
    • Solution to the problem depends on the film and its source. Most of the films created by the Genealogical Society of Utah have title boards at the beginning and end of each film. If there are multiple items on a film, there will be title boards at the beginning and end of each item. There will be a large gap between each item. Sometimes the beginning of each item will indicate a new item ("Item 1", "Item 2", etc.), sometimes not. Films not created by the GSU may or may not have title boards or item designators, just a gap. When rolling through a film and looking for a particular item, Item 4 for example, begin rolling and count the number of gap that pass by on the reader view screen. Stop and check to see if the contents of the record in this item match what you are looking for. If not, keep rolling. There may sometimes be a lesser gap within an item that may seem like a full item break but is not. If you do not find what you're looking for, make sure you go to the absolute end of the film to make sure you haven't missed what you're looking for.
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    Michael, you have marked this question as answered, but I believe you misunderstood the question. The problem is not related to the films themselves but to the catalog entries for the films. In looking up title records in the catalog, I have found in many cases that film notes (and hence film numbers) are missing entirely. When the film notes are there, a film number is listed but never an item number. If the catalog is to be helpful to patrons, it must contain the essential information being provided by the catalogers. This includes item numbers as part of the film notes, and I think Deborah's initial question was why the item numbers are not listed in the catalog records.
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  • Yes, it seems I misunderstood the question. My answer is valid for another question. ;) I guess what I should have said:

    The catalog shows a listing of the record contents and is sourced a few different ways.
    1. The catalog description is based on the film operator's report made at the time of the filming. This may be based on information from the archive or church where the filming takes place.
    2. The description is based on the FH Dept cataloger looking at the filmed record and making notes based on observation.
    3. Description based on third-party vendor notes of films purchased by the FH Dept.

    That said, my experience is that every effort is made to make the catalog as descriptive as possible within the bounds of standard cataloging processes. If there is ever a question or misunderstanding of a catalog record, including non-description of item numbers, the FH Dept has a method of submitting corrections. This is through the Microfilm Action Request form (Help Center document ID 100078, or Distribution Center item number 31760).

    Lastly, which film are you interested in? I would be happy to do a lookup and see if there is something amiss.
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  • Michael, this problem applies to all of the records in the beta catalog. I have compared several against both the old patron catalog and against OLIB. (I am an FHD cataloger.) In other versions of the catalog, item numbers are present, but not a single film note in the beta catalog contains item numbers. As far as I can tell, we are not addressing a cataloging problem, but rather a data transfer problem. If we receive MARs in cataloging on this issue, there will be nothing we can do on our end. (If you need examples, I have done place searches on Lviv and on Minsk, as well as other areas, where I know that the films were cataloged with item numbers. As already stated, none of the item numbers appear in the beta catalog.)
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  • I’m frustrated
    I completely agree with Catherijne's concerns
    I am researching records related to India.
    Here is an example from the BETA Library catalogue relating to wills.
    Note Location Film Number
    Index of wills 1704-1783 FHL BRITISH Film 510705
    Bengal wills, rg. 154 v. 40 1728-1733 FHL BRITISH Film 506793
    Bengal wills, rg. 155 v. 9 1733-1739 FHL BRITISH Film 510706
    Bengal wills, rg. 154 v. 41-46 1739-1747 FHL BRITISH Film 506793
    Bengal wills, rg. 154 v. 47-52 1747-1766 FHL BRITISH Film 506794
    (http://fsbeta.familysearch.org/s/cata...)

    Here now is the same entry from the "old" Library Catalogue
    Index of wills 1704-1783 FHL BRITISH Film
    510705
    Bengal wills, rg. 154 v. 40 1728-1733 FHL BRITISH Film
    506793 Item 1
    Bengal wills, rg. 155 v. 9 1733-1739 FHL BRITISH Film
    510706 Item 4
    Bengal wills, rg. 154 v. 41-46 1739-1747 FHL BRITISH Film
    506793 Items 2-7
    Bengal wills, rg. 154 v. 47-52 1747-1766 FHL BRITISH Film
    506794
    Bengal wills, rg. 154 v. 53-55 1767-1774 FHL BRITISH Film
    510706 Items 1-3

    (http://www.familysearch.org/eng/libra...)

    If you are looking at the microfilms it is certainly easier if you know which item you are looking for, rather than having to look through the whole film.

    Help us! Bring back the item numbers in the Library Catalogue!
    Cheers
    Maureen
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  • I’m Who cares how I feel! I just want it fixed. LOL
    I have an issue with the new Library catalogue too. I compared film notes for film 498108. I've attached screen shots of the film notes in FSI vs beta FS

    Here are the film notes (which don't actually make sense) from beta:
    Parish register printouts of Norbury, Derbyshire, England ; christenings, 1813-1848 FHL BRITISH Film 1001470 .

    Here are the same film notes from FSI:
    FHL BRITISH Film
    Baptisms, marriages, burials, 1813-1815, baptisms, 1816-1817, marriages, burials, 1816, baptisms, marriages, burials, 1817-1833, 1835, 1834-1836, 1848. FHL BRITISH Film 498108 Item 2

    Why this difference is highly significant to my research: Only last night I received from a newly found cousin whose family paid attention and HAS the data my family never knew or cared enough to find out an actual birthdate. I've been searching for years for the christening of this ancestor born in 1833, confirmed by census after census and have looked in vain for that christening so I can get his parents. The cousin has the actual birthdate: 13 Dec 1833, so this child was almost surely christened in early 1834. Looking at beta I would continue to spin my wheels not knowing the years are out of order. By looking at the notes in FSI Library catalogue I can see that the years are out of order and I can go straight away to the christening records for 1834 which comes AFTER 1835 on the film.
    There's just not enough information on these new film notes to be useful. We are loosing a great deal of functionality on this particular example.
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  • Thanks for all the feedback on this issue. Your suggestions on ways we can improve the product are very valuable. We will be adding film item numbers to the catalog search results items in the very near future.
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