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Hey! WHEN & WHY were the original LABELS of the "Utah Mormon Pioneer Overland Travel Database & associated "Companies", REMOVED / DELETED

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Hey!

I have just noticed that the Original "Labels" of the (1) "Utah Mormon Pioneer Overland Travel Database, 1847-1868" ( ie. Early Utah Mormon Pioneers ); and, (2) the "Companies" associated with that Travel, have been REMOVED / DELETED!

WHEN did this occur?

And, more importanty, ...

WHY did this occur?

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We just received an e-mail from "FamilySearch" Headed "[ Name ], you have a pioneer relative" with the body of the text being "You share a rich legacy of poineer courage and sacrifice. Get to know more about your relative by discovering his or her pioneer story" with the "Name" ( [ "Birth and Death years" ] ) and "PID" of the Ancestor.

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We ceratinly DID NOT need the aforementioned e-mail, as we were well aware of the fact that that Ancestor was an "Early Mormon Utah Pioneer" from England; and, we have added work to their record and that of their Family.

But, just of of curiosity, we accessed their record.

And, 'Lo and Behold' ...

The "Labels" for the (1) "Utah Mormon Pioneer Overland Travel Database, 1847-1868" ( ie. Early Utah Mormon Pioneers ); and, (2) the "Companies" associated with that Travel, that were ATTACHED have been REMOVED / DELETED!

This seems to be the case for ALL such individuals / persons in "Family Tree"!

Further investigation of the "Labels" Feature indicates that the "Labels" of the (1) "Utah Mormon Pioneer Overland Travel Database, 1847-1868" ( ie. Early Utah Mormon Pioneers ); and, (2) the "Companies" associated with that Travel, NO LONGER exist.

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AGAIN, I would like to know ...

WHEN ...

And, more importantly ...

WHY ...

were the ORIGINAL "Labels" of the (1) "Utah Mormon Pioneer Overland Travel Database, 1847-1868" ( ie. Early Utah Mormon Pioneers ); and, (2) the "Companies" associated with that Travel, REMOVED / DELETED.

Those aforementioned "Labels" were the original premise of the "Labels" Feature!

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Regardless,

PLEASE immediately RESTORE / REINSTATE the ORIGINAL "Labels" of the (1) "Utah Mormon Pioneer Overland Travel Database, 1847-1868" ( ie. Early Utah Mormon Pioneers ); and, (2) the "Companies" associated with that Travel; and, also

PLEASE immediately RESTORE / REINSTATE those "Labels" to the individuals / persons in "Family Tree" to which they were originally attached.

'Thank You'.

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Submitted for your immediate response.

Brett
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  • Don't know if they're doing this consciously, but for whatever reason, only the Beta Family Tree has this feature still in tact and still working. They've just moved the button for it, to the right margin "Tools" section called "Edit Labels".

    I assume they're now just waiting for the Beta system to go live. But that could still be months & months.
    • Jon

      In the "Production" ( "Live" ) Environment:

      They should have never REMOVED / DELETED the Original "Labels" of the (1) "Utah Mormon Pioneer Overland Travel Database, 1847-1868" ( ie. Early Utah Mormon Pioneers ); and, (2) the "Companies" associated with that Travel.

      And,

      They should have never REMOVED / DELETED the "Labels" of the (1) "Utah Mormon Pioneer Overland Travel Database, 1847-1868" ( ie. Early Utah Mormon Pioneers ); and, (2) the "Companies" associated with that Travel, from the individuals / persons to whom they were attached.

      Certainly NOT Without, ... Warning; and / or, Advice.

      The NEW design / format in the "Beta" ( "Test" ) Environment is far from acceptable; and, still has a long way to go; and, is a LONG, LONG way off from being applied to the "Production" { "Live" ) Environment!

      Even so, the REMOVAL / DELETION the Original "Labels" of the (1) "Utah Mormon Pioneer Overland Travel Database, 1847-1868" ( ie. Early Utah Mormon Pioneers ); and, (2) the "Companies" associated with that Travel; and, from the individuals / persons to whom they were attached, in the "Production" ( "Live" ) Environment should NOT have been affected by the goings on in the "Beta" ( "Test" ) Environment!

      What is going on; and, why were not we told or advised of such an IMPORTANT change in the "Production" ( "Live" ) Environment?

      That change not only impacts on many "Deceased" individuals / persons recorded in "Family Tree", that change also impacts upon many "Living" Users / Patron ( all-be-it, Members of the "Church" ) associated with those "Deceased" individuals / persons recorded in "Family Tree".

      Brett
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    The following is speculation on my part...

    This may be the result of the fact that the vast bulk of the Church no longer has any Utah pioneer heritage and the very few members would be able to take advantage of the feature.

    I know that my own ancestry has no LDS lines into Utah and only one line has any LDS heritage at all.

    Or...

    This could be in preparation for a new label system. I do know that there was a lot of concern over the wording of labels and what labels might mean. For instance a World War II war hero in something like the Battle of the Bulge would mean something entirely different to one side of that battle as it would to another side of that battle. The idea of one occupation being included and another excluded might also raise a lot of concern.

    My personal feeling is that the idea was not a good one, aside from the idea that the label might provide a means by which a group of people who took part in some event could be found via each of them having the same label. I think that was driving the original intent, but I'm speculating on that, also.
    • And this may have been nothing more than a glitch or introducing a new system for entering the label. I noticed that a URL to where a person can be found in relationship to the label can be found (source reference) is now an available option.

      It would be better if the system allowed source tagging and the actual source for the label was attached as part of a source, rather than be independent.
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    'Thank You' for joining in on this post.

    In relation to your speculation, if I may comment further:

    (1) I am bemused at the suggestion that ... "vast bulk of the Church no longer has any Utah pioneer heritage and the very few members would be able to take advantage of the feature".

    (2) Just as aside: We must be some of the "Lucky" ones then. 'Yes', we are Members of the Church; but, we are not even from the North American continent, we are from "Down Under". And, yet, through research we found out that, firstly, my wife has Ancestry to "Early Mormon Utah Pioneers" from England; and, later, I also have have Ancestry to ( later ) Mormon Utah Immigrants from "Down Under". And, not only have we "Helped" Family and other Members from "Down Under" connect to "Early Mormon Utah Pioneers"; but, while recently travelling the World we have also "Helped" newly met extended ( international ) Family and Members from the USA, Canada, England and Scotland connect to "Early Mormon Utah Pioneers". By the way, I am not trying to boast here. I am just making a point about how there may be many Members of the Church worldwide who are not even aware that they actually have Ancestry to "Early Mormon Utah Pioneers".

    (3) 'No', not all Members of the Church will connect to Ancestry with "Early Mormon Utah Pioneers"; but, with some decent research, I would not be surprised if many actually do. And, 'Yes', most likely, that the vast majority of Users / Patrons of "Family Tree" who are not members of the Church, will NOT care in the least whether or not they have Ancestry to "Early Mormon Utah Pioneers" ( of course, the later, being an understatement ).

    (3) Now, regardless of the fact that "Family Tree" ( not just "FamilySearch", for research purposes ) is also well utilized by non-members of the Church, the ORIGINAL premise of that "Feature" of "Labels" was, in fact, related to (1) the "Early Utah Mormon Pioneer Travel"; and, (2) the "Companies" associated with that Travel.

    (4) It is the expansion of the "Labels" feature to the many other Labels that has certainly got out of hand. And; 'Yes', I, for one, which wish the "Labels" feature would have NOT expanded beyond original "LDS" eccentricities.

    (5) 'Yes', there is certainly concern with the "Wording" and "Meaning" of the NEW expanded "Labels"; and, rightly so.

    (6) 'No', I doubt that this current situation is, either, (1) a glitch; or, (2) the introduction a new "Label" system. Personally, I suggest it is simply ( an unfortunate mistaken attempt ) to placate Users / Patrons who are not members of the Church.

    (7) 'Yes', thank goodness, that the "Sources" relative to the "Utah Mormon Pioneer Overland Travel Database, 1847-1868" are sill in "FamilySearch"; and, are still attached to individuals / persons in "Family Tree" - I hope that that is not next on the "Hit" list.

    (8) As I stated in this post; and, persist with, that the Original "Labels" of (1) the "Utah Mormon Pioneer Overland Travel Database, 1847-1868" ( ie. Early Utah Mormon Pioneers ); and, (2) the "Companies" associated with that Travel, have been REMOVED / DELETED; and, also, that those "Labels" have been REMOVED / DELETED from the individuals / persons in "Family Tree" to which they were originally attached. And, again, I ask the questions: WHEN?; and, more importantly, WHY?, was this done. I want clear and definitive answers to those questions.

    (8) But, what is more DISTRESSING and CONCERNING, is that the the REMOVAL / DELETION the Original "Labels" of (1) the "Utah Mormon Pioneer Overland Travel Database, 1847-1868" ( ie. Early Utah Mormon Pioneers ); and, (2) the "Companies" associated with that Travel; and, the REMOVAL / DELETION of those Original "Labels" from the individuals / persons to whom they were attached, was done WITHOUT, consultation; or, advice, to the Users / Patrons who ARE Members of the Church.

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    What is going on; and, why were we not told or advised of such an IMPORTANT change, especially, in the "Production" ( "Live" ) Environment?

    That change not only impacts on many "Deceased" individuals / persons recorded in "Family Tree", that change also impacts upon many "Living" Users / Patrons ( all-be-it, Members of the "Church" ) associated with those "Deceased" individuals / persons recorded in "Family Tree" - especially, on the "Family History" research that they have done.

    First and foremost, "FamilySearch"; and, its genealogical "World" tree facility, "Family Tree", are websites / databases, of and pertaining to, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saint" ( LDS ); and, 'Yes', they are also well utilised by Users / Patrons who are not members of the Church; but, I am of the belief that those Users / Patrons who are not members of the Church, would NOT: begrudge; or, be threatened, by the inclusion of "Labels" that also pertain to the LDS Church or LDS Church History.

    Although, as I previously stated, the new "Labels" have got well out of hand; and, they will continue to do so - there is no end to the many possible "Labels".

    If there is a new proposal or enhancement in "Family Tree" for displaying and promoting (1) the "Utah Mormon Pioneer Overland Travel Database, 1847-1868" ( ie. Early Utah Mormon Pioneers ); and, (2) the "Companies" associated with that Travel, similar to "Labels"; then, lets hear about it, here and now - sooner rather than later!? If not; then, there is a problem!

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    Sorry, off my "soap box".

    And, I am sorry if I offend or alienate Users / Patrons who are not members of the Church - that was certainly not my intention.

    Brett
    • No worries, Brett. I found it interesting that you connect with early LDS members through England.

      Have you, by any chance, tried the feature again? When I tested this some five hours ago, it was working for me. I just checked again, and it is still working for me -- Chrome on a Windows 7 computer.

      At this point in time, I really have no valid complaint, other than it would be nice to have a "Famous Entrepreneurs" category. Mine happens to be Milton Hershey, the founder of Hershey Chocolates. but for the most part, I would have to use BYU's Relative Finder to see if I currently have any connection to any of the current list of categories.

      A bit more speculating.

      A glitch is still possible, but it could be caused by the removal of certain labels and no good cleanup routine. Only those who had previously used the label feature could tell us if that has happened or not. I have not used labels on any of my relatives, which may be why I am not seeing any problems.

      Something for the engineers to look at.
    • Tom

      'No', all gone.

      I just checked some of the Ancestors who are "Early Mormon Utah Pioneers"; and, those "Labels" have ALL gone.

      And, those "Labels" DO NOT appear in the ADD "Label" feature any more.

      I checked using, both, "Chrome"; and, 'Microsoft' "Edge".

      Brett
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  • We have confirmed something happened with these specific labels in production and are investigating. Other labels are still working.
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    • Brett -- I however see no change, no progress, no improvement, no fix, no extra labels.

      My great-great-grandfather William Nash Thomas KW68-NJ7 is still missing his Mormon Pioneer Overland Travel label (I thought it was "Trail" not "Travel"), and my Chrome Windows 10 browser still hangs when I try to add it.
    • Jon

      In the "+Attach Label" list, you do not see the ( Renewed ) "Label" for "Mormon Overland Pioneers" at the very BOTTOM of the list!?

      That is a problem; and, even more so if it still "Hangs" for you when you try to attach any "Label" - no problems for me in "Chrome" or 'MS' "Edge".

      I took a look at your Great-Great-Grandfather: 'Yes', no such "Labels" attached ( as a "Pioneer" or with a "Company". As I had never looked at him before ( and the attaching of "Labels" in NOT reflected in any "ChangeLog" ), can you confirm that those "Labels" had been attached to him previously!?

      'Yes' we know it as the "Mormon Trail"; but, in 'history.lds.org' database it is headed "Mormon Pioneer Overland Travel 1847–1868" ( https://history.lds.org/overlandtravel/ )

      Brett
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  • Right Brett - the last category for a label I see at the bottom of the list to choose from, is "War of 1812". I'm using Chrome on Windows 10.



    And William Nash Thomas KW68-NJ7 still has his two labels attached in the Beta system.

    • Jon

      In the "Production" ( "Live" ) Environment, as I can see the ( Renewed ) "Label" of "Mormon Overland Pioneers" in both "Chrome" and 'MS' "Edge", with Windows 10, all I can suggest is that if you have not already done so ( for a while ) try "Clearing" out all the "Cookies" relating to "FamilySearch"; and, see if that makes any difference.

      I had asked previously what particular "Cookies" relating to "FamilySearch" need to be "Cleared" for certain new features to viewable; but, never received any response. So, all I can suggest is all "Cookies" relating to "FamilySearch". I am still not certain if the "Cache" needs to be "Cleared" / "Emptied".

      If that does not work; then, I am at a loss to explain why I can see the renewed "Label" and you cannot!

      I hope this helps.

      But, be aware, that at present, there is as yet no provision to add the higher level "Label" of "Mormon Overland Pioneers", you can only add the "Companies" associated with those Pioneers - a flaw / fault with the higher level "Label".

      In the "Beta" ( "Test" ) Environment there IS provision to add the higher level "Label" of "Mormon Overland Pioneers" as well as being able to add the "Companies" associated with those Pioneers.

      Hopefully, the flaw / fault in the "Production" ( "Live" ) Environment will be remedied.

      Brett
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  • Brett -- you're right, it apparently was a cookie / cache thing.

    But now it says I don't have sufficient rights to add this label to this person:


    And there are 4 copies of the Horton D. Haight Company sub-labels, without any specifying which year of each company. Doesn't seem to matter which one I pick. I've tried two of the four. One on Windows 7 Chrome, the other on Windows 10 Chrome.
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  • Jon

    Good to hear I was of some help.

    'Yes', I did run across that problem when I was trying to add the high level "Label" of of the "Mormon Overland Pioneers" ( which is not available yet ); and, then, the 'Sub' "Labels" of the "Companies" associated with those Pioneers; but, as what I recall now, when I tried it, it was that I could NOT do so to just any individual / person in "Family Tree", it appeared to be only available to those with "Sources" of the "Mormon Pioneer Overland Travel 1847–1868" attached ( of which your Great-Great-Grandfather does have ) - not certain, did not really go into it.

    But, 'Yes', there are issues / problems.

    I hope there are only issues / problems because this RENEWED "Label" of the "Early Utah Mormon Pioneers" and the 'Sub' "Labels" of the "Companies" associated with that Travel is still "Word in Progress".

    They sure DID break the "System" when they Removed / Deleted the ORIGINAL "Label" of the "Early Utah Mormon Pioneers" and the 'Sub' "Labels" of the "Companies" associated with that Travel.

    I will do some more testing and see if anything crops up, I will keep you posted.

    Brett

    ps: My time is being taken up with the "Alternate Names" that were REMOVED ( "Deleted" in a systematic programmed sweep ( ie. "Purge" ) by "FamilySearch" recently - a post that also raised.
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