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How do I connect people from a Pedigree Resource File Tree to a current Family Tree?

A family tree in the Pedigree Resource File is part of my Tree. I've tried looking them up by the Pedigree ID and it says they don't exist, yet the Tree is viewable!
Why have a Resource File Tree if you can't access it and connect/merge all the info onto your own tree???
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  • Or onto FamilySearch Tree.

    This has been a problem since the beginning of FamilyTree. Last time I heard it was on the engineers list of things to fix. It would be nice to get an update on where they are now on moving individuals from PRF to the Tree other than entering each individual one at a time by hand.
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  • First, welcome to the community support forum for FamilySearch. FamilySearch personnel read every discussion thread and may or may not respond as their time permits. We all share an active interest in using the resources of this site and as users, we have various levels of knowledge and experience and do our best to help each other with concerns, issues, and/or questions.

    Second, FamilySearch FamilyTree is a single tree that is a collaborative effort, built around an open-edit model, allowing any person, including yourself to add to and make changes on any person who lived throughout history, including all of our deceased relatives.

    There is no "my tree" in FamilySearch FamilyTree — it is a tree for all mankind. If you have found errors, you need to know why those errors are there. It could be that someone incorrectly combined another person's tree with your relative. It could be that someone found a source that they thought applied to your relative, but it did not. It could be that someone knew that their information was correct and entered that.

    There are sites that support independent trees and building them. FamilySearch is not one of those sites.

    Third -- the Pedigree Resource Files have been uploads of GEDCOM files by individuals that started with the Ancestral File uploads back in the days of the old CD-distributed system found in most Family History Centers and in the Family History Library.

    Back in those days, no sources for the information contained on them was included with the file. Later changes to the GEDCOM standard allowed additional information and included limited sources. Unfortunately, most people who attempted to add sources failed to understand what constituted a good source citation. That continues to be a problem, even with some of the source citations in the FamilySearch historical record index entries. Basically, to be complete, a source must contain sufficient information for a later person to come along and be able to go to the original document and locate where in that source the information can be found. The means first, the place (repository or location, whether it is in a private collection, at a library or some facility, such as a government office), then the publication title and author if a published book, or folder, or other place at that repository where the information can be found), and finally, where in the publication or folder that the information can be found (volume, page, etc.).

    Consider that "Genealogy (Family History) without documentation (sources) is mythology" -- U.S. National Genealogical Society.

    So, at best, the Pedigree resource files are, at best, and because they do not contain sources, a place to get hints as to what might exist for various people. At no time should a GEDCOM or any of the files in the Genealogies collection of FamilySearch be considered anything more than a place to look for hints at what might be.

    Now, to your request. As has been noted, this has been requested before. The problem is that the tools to make a valid comparison is lacking. Even the source linker is incomplete when it comes to comparing a source against any given person's profile record.

    There is a major and current problem when a person uploads a GEDCOM file to be included in the Genealogies section and then performs a compare. The results allow the person to use a limited amount of information (very limited) and add persons, add information, or change information in the existing tree. The problem is that because the compare function is so limited, that duplicates are easy to create and that changes and/or additions to existing information can easily replace valid information without considering what was previously present in the record. While these changes are recorded in the individual change logs for the persons involved, it takes a lot of work and time to correct bad information that is so easy to transfer.

    So, most of us with extensive experience strongly recommend that all persons in the Genealogies collection file (whether it is a PRF, Ancestral File file, or uploaded GEDCOM, be carefully compared on a one-to-one basis with existing persons in the massive Family Tree (which has over 1.2 Billion person profiles in it -- at the last count I had).

    To make life easier, it would be nice if we could download a GEDCOM of a given file, rather than have to deal with the file one person at a time. Then we could upload it into one of the fully certified family tree management programs (Ancestral Quest, Legacy, or Roots Magic) and use that program (even the free versions work well) to add data to the massive tree in FamilySearch. Unfortunately, that ability does not exist within FamilySearch.

    So right now, the only solution is to continue what you've been doing, work with one person at a time from a given PRF and perform due diligence in making sure you are working with the correct person. Be sure to check to make sure that the information does not already exist in a historical record, which can be linked to the person in the tree using FamilySearch's "Source Linker".
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  • It is my understanding that FamilySearch has already developed a way to connect the FamilySearch "Family Tree" with the Pedigree Resource File, or what is called "Genealogies." FamilySearch just refuses to employ, or connect the two databases, ("Genealogies" to the FamilySearch "Family Tree") today.
    • Searches of "Historical Records" do return (and end of the found records) those in the Genealogies section, including the IGI.

      The Genealogies are problematical at best, mostly because they are not sourced. That makes them "mythology" (per the U.S. National Genealogical Society).

      As far as joining the two, no. I would not be for it, any more than I am for continuing to use the flawed GEDCOM compare/add/change process when uploading a GEDCOM file.

      Unless and until FS comes up with a truly complete feature to compare entries against what is existing in the massive tree (complete with existing reason statements, notes, and discussions), I am not in favor of doing any connections, simply because we will then have more of the same old, same old with the GEDCOM compare/add/change process.
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    I see nothing wrong with adding a Pedigree Resource File or "Genealogies" link as a source to the same person in the FamilySearch "Family Tree."
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