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MAJOR Fault/Flaw. Couple Relationship. "Show All Information about This Relationship" Link; NOW, goes DIRECTLY to "ChangeLog". Address/Fix.

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MAJOR Fault/Flaw.

Couple Relationship.

After 'Selecting' the "Pencil" to GO to a "Couple Relationship" Page/Screen; and, WANTING to go to the "Couple Relationship" Page/Screen by 'Selecting' the "Show All Information about This Relationship" Link; NOW, goes DIRECTLY to the "ChangeLog" of a "Couple Relationship"; and, NOT, to the "Couple Relationship" Page/Screen.

Therefore, this is NO option to be able to "Delete" an INCORRECT Relationship NOW, there is ONLY the option to, "Remove" or "Replace" the, Husband; and/or, Wife, individually, through the "Pop Up" when selecting the "Pencil" to "Edit" a "Couple Relationship".

This Fault/Flaw appears to have ONLY started since the Up-Date/Release of the other day being Sunday 23 / Monday 24 June 2019.

Please address/fix this MAJOR Fault/Flaw ASAP.

'Thank You' in advance.

Brett

ps: As a "Work Around", you can eventually get to the "Couple Relationship" Page/Screen by "Deleting" the word "changelog" from the END of the resulting URL; and, "Refreshing"/"Reloading" that URL; but, that is not INTUITIVE or an option for 'newbies'; the inexperienced; or, even, the average, User/Patron!
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  • Interesting!

    There has been, neither, any response from:

    (1) Other regular Users/Patrons of the Forum; nor,
    (2) Any "Official 'FamilySearch' Representative".

    No acknowledgement that the aforementioned Fault/Flaw even exists!

    Am I the only one seeing this Fault/Flaw?

    Because, NOTHING has "Changed" - you still CANNOT go DIRECTLY to the "Relationship" page/screen of a "Couple", from the "Pop-Up", when selecting the "Show All Information about This Relationship" Link - it ONLY takes you to the "ChangeLog"!

    just curious.

    Brett
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  • So the design has changed. There is no relationship destination page anymore from the "Show all..." link. The bug is there should be a set of tools at the bottom of the fly-out to See All Changes, and Delete Relationship. Is there an issue not having a dedicated page to show all relationship stuff if the flyout has it all?
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    • Whomever made the decision to do away with having the couple relationship and/or family relationship only in a flyout (that can be closed accidentally) made the site worse than it was before.

      I consider this a major flaw (to use Brett's terminology), along the same lines of putting all the changes under Custom Events so that individual entries cannot be sourced in the future.

      Bad planning, definitely, on the part of FamilySearch.
    • Joe

      'Thank You' for the advice that the "Design" has "Changed".

      But ...

      That said ...

      I apologise in advance for, my angst; and, being so BLUNT ...

      'Yes' ... there is a MAJOR problem/issue with NOT being able to go to the "Couple" Relationship page/screen (ie. https://www.familysearch.org/tree/rel...)

      SERIOUSLY, who; or, what 'Group' of, INEPT ('Bright Spark' - with 'tongue in cheek'), Designer(s); and/or, Developer(s), literally DECIDED that the "Design" SHOULD "Change"; and, that "Family Tree" should DO AWAY WITH the "Couple" Relationship page/screen (ie. https://www.familysearch.org/tree/rel...)!

      The "Fly Out" for the "Couple" Relationship page/screen is utterly USELESS when it comes to doing SERIOUS work - great for a quick fix; but, THAT is ALL!

      What is WRONG with the new/younger BREED of, Designers; and/or, Developers, at "FamilySearch" - that DO NOT seem to be actively engaged in (BOTH) "Temple and Family History" Work.

      As I have stated in this Forum before ...

      "FamilySearch" NEEDS to 'let go' any, Designers; and/or, Developers, who are NOT actively engaged in (BOTH) "Temple and Family History" Work!

      Do not get me wrong, I know that MOST, Designers; and/or, Developers, are actively engaged in (BOTH) "Temple and Family History" Work; but, I definitely wonder about those who make "Changes" like this!

      I am NOT interested in ADDITIONAL "Tools"; especially, NOT, on the USELESS "Fly Out" - which I ONLY consider to be a 'Bell and Whistle' that could be dispensed with to go DIRECTLY to the "Full" page/screen for the "Couple" Relationship.

      DO NOT even consider any ADDITIONAL "Tools"; especially, NOT, on the USELESS "Fly Out".

      VERY SIMPLE, just put the "Link" from the "Show All Information about This Relationship" on the "Fly Out" BACK to the "Couple" Relationship page/screen(ie. https://www.familysearch.org/tree/rel...); and, GET RID of the "Link" to the "ChangeLog".

      SO very simple.

      Again, I apologise for, my angst; and, bluntness.

      Brett
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  • Joe

    'Thank You' for the advice that the "Design" has "Changed".

    But ...

    That said ...

    I apologise in advance for, my angst; and, being so BLUNT ...

    'Yes' ... there is a MAJOR problem/issue with NOT being able to go to the "Couple" Relationship page/screen (ie. https://www.familysearch.org/tree/rel...)

    SERIOUSLY, who; or, what 'Group' of, INEPT ('Bright Spark' - with 'tongue in cheek'), Designer(s); and/or, Developer(s), literally DECIDED that the "Design" SHOULD "Change"; and, that "Family Tree" should DO AWAY WITH the "Couple" Relationship page/screen (ie. https://www.familysearch.org/tree/rel...)!

    The "Fly Out" for the "Couple" Relationship page/screen is utterly USELESS when it comes to doing SERIOUS work - great for a quick fix; but, THAT is ALL!

    What is WRONG with the new/younger BREED of, Designers; and/or, Developers, at "FamilySearch" - that DO NOT seem to be actively engaged in (BOTH) "Temple and Family History" Work.

    As I have stated in this Forum before ...

    "FamilySearch" NEEDS to 'let go' any, Designers; and/or, Developers, who are NOT actively engaged in (BOTH) "Temple and Family History" Work!

    Do not get me wrong, I know that MOST, Designers; and/or, Developers, are actively engaged in (BOTH) "Temple and Family History" Work; but, I definitely wonder about those who make "Changes" like this!

    I am NOT interested in ADDITIONAL "Tools"; especially, NOT, on the USELESS "Fly Out" - which I ONLY consider to be a 'Bell and Whistle' that could be dispensed with to go DIRECTLY to the "Full" page/screen for the "Couple" Relationship.

    DO NOT even consider any ADDITIONAL "Tools"; especially, NOT, on the USELESS "Fly Out".

    VERY SIMPLE, just put the "Link" from the "Show All Information about This Relationship" on the "Fly Out" BACK to the "Couple" Relationship page/screen(ie. https://www.familysearch.org/tree/rel...); and, GET RID of the "Link" to the "ChangeLog".

    SO very simple.

    Again, I apologise for, my angst; and, bluntness.

    Brett
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  • Brett, Tom, users, 
    I reviewed the old and new screen. I like the dedicated old page more, but the flyout is more consistent with the site moving away from dedicated pages to flyouts. There are techical reasons for some evolution like this, and there is the aspect of the style adapting over time (go look at those old FS pages). Enough for excuses.

    What you can do is to show discuss/show how the flyouts are either less functional, or slow down your work. I didn't see anything in your reply above that helps me discern how the flyout is worse than the old dedicated page. If you can explain, with minimal accusation, what your workflow is and how it's negatively impacted I can voice your concern. That goes for any other user out there. What works and what doesn't with the new design?
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  • Ok, the only problem is the relationship fly outs will lose entry data if you click outside. Tom, has another thread about the static windows where context of the previous screen is obscured, so he likes in-line expansion. Different type of box but has issues.
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  • Still a major issue. We need to be able to open any relationship (couple or family) in its own window so we don't lose any data we've entered.
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  • FamilySearch

    Please REINSTATE User/Patron ACCESS to the "/relationship/couple/CoupleID" page/screen.

    You may feel/consider that the "Fly-Outs" are the way to go/the way of the future; but, that "Fly-Out" for the "Couple Relationship" is inadequate - I am certain that, unlike you, NOT "All" Users/Patrons feel that the "Fly-Outs" are the way to go/the way of the future, in fact, I am certain that there may be many that detest them like I do.

    I much PREFER (in fact, WANT) to access a separate (ie. the "old") "/relationship/couple/CoupleID" page/screen that those inadequate "Fly-Outs".

    If programming/coding "Changes" have rendered the "/relationship/couple/CoupleID" page/screen inaccessible; then, please ADDRESS/FIX those programming/coding "Changes" to ENABLE access to the "/relationship/couple/CoupleID" page/screen.

    'Thank You' in advance.

    Brett
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  • As I mentioned above those old relationship dedicated pages have been designed away in favor of the flyout. I'm not sure there are many users that use those URL's but the team has decided to no longer support those old pages. I didn't see anything in this thread, but if you can describe a persuasive case for why it should be reinstated (like some workflow, or functionality that went missing) that may cause a reconsideration. It would have to be something that a large population of users would want. Sorry, just telling you what I heard.
    • Joe

      'Thank You' so much for responding.

      I have seen a number of suggested reasons why Users/Patrons do not like the "Fly-Outs".

      I will try to provide a persuasive argument to enable the reinstatement the "/relationship/couple/CoupleID" page/screen; but, am considerable busy at this time; so, that may take some time.

      WHY, "FamilySearch" considers/feels the the "Fly-Outs" are the way to go/the way of the future, I cannot comprehend.

      Obviously, the "Design" and "Functionality" of "Family Tree" is NOT (principally) being "Driven" by the Users/Patrons; but, more so, by the "Designers" and "Programmers" (ie. Engineers) of "Family Tree", themselves.

      Maybe it is me; but, know-where have I ever noticed any request by the Users/Patrons for the functionality of "Fly-Outs" in "Family Tree".

      Have the "Fly-Outs", certainly; but, GIVE us the "Option" to "Disregard" them if we so desire; and, "Open" a "Full" page/screen like the (now) "Old" "/relationship/couple/CoupleID" page/screen.

      Brett
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  • Joe

    'Thank You' so much for responding.

    I have seen a number of suggested reasons why Users/Patrons do not like the "Fly-Outs".

    I will try to provide a persuasive argument to enable the reinstatement the "/relationship/couple/CoupleID" page/screen; but, am considerable busy at this time; so, that may take some time.

    WHY, "FamilySearch" considers/feels the the "Fly-Outs" are the way to go/the way of the future, I cannot comprehend.

    Obviously, the "Design" and "Functionality" of "Family Tree" is NOT (principally) being "Driven" by the Users/Patrons; but, more so, by the "Designers" and "Programmers" (ie. Engineers) of "Family Tree", themselves.

    Maybe it is me; but, know-where have I ever noticed any request by the Users/Patrons for the functionality of "Fly-Outs" in "Family Tree".

    Have the "Fly-Outs", certainly; but, GIVE us the "Option" to "Disregard" them if we so desire; and, "Open" a "Full" page/screen like the (now) "Old" "/relationship/couple/CoupleID" page/screen.

    Brett
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  • There have been several recent changes that are going to cause problems in the future.

    First, I am in agreement with Brett. The option to open a couple relationship section in its own tab or window needs to be restored.

    Second, I eventually see the time when the couple relationship area will have the ability to add a lot more information (It already does if you take into account notes). As such, the flyout will become cumbersome to use, because of its limited width and adding a scroll bar (like those that now exist when we open a hint flyout on a person's page) just narrows the width that much more.

    This is a lot like the lumping together (an original design flaw) "Other" categories in filtering the change log for any one "other" entry. Eventually, each entry is going to need to stand on its own for tagging purposes.

    We will need the same ability with couple relationships -- tagging sources to individual events, something that is not possible at this time with the current system.

    I really wish the developers would not do things that eventually will need to be undone, but they do. We are human and to err is certainly human, to use a completer while erring really makes a mess of things in terms of future needs.
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  • I’m extremely unhappy and frustrated.
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    3 Months on ...

    Is there any consideration being given, to RESTORING, the ability to see/get (if one so desires) the "Full" Page/Screen, for the "Couple" Relationship (NOT the "ChangeLog"), rather than ONLY seeing/getting the infernal "Fly Out"?

    Especially, as you have REMOVED the ability to go directly to the "Couple" Relationship "Full" Page/Screen, from the "ChangeLog" page/screen; due to, NOT wanting to "Maintain" the "Full" Page/Screen.

    You could, AT LEAST, give us BACK the ability to to go directly to the "Couple" Relationship "Full" Page/Screen, from the "ChangeLog" page/screen; and, "Maintain" the "Full" Page/Screen for the time being.

    'Thank You' in advance.

    Brett
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