The Pilot search interface and filtering are what we want. Produces much better results. Please keep pilot.

Will there eventually be a way to browse by location or by individual records instead of needing to search through so many records that are not even close to the requested search locations, dates or needed records.
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  • I’m disgruntled, but a little better after this morning's response from your rep.
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    You need to incorporate some of the features from Pilot: search for a surname by exact spelling or exact and close; let the patron choose the time period, don't make us choose a preset span of years; let us choose the area, down to the town or township, by county (or list multiple counties, a small improvement over Pilot#, by state, nation, etc.; it would also be helpful if we could choose other geographical areas #in my case the Western Reserve of Connecticut in Ohio needs to be recognized by the service#; the fields should be able to recognize and list options as characters are typed in #both preset options and previously requested options would be helpful); and refining a search should be easier to save typing and scrolling down, display the fields that were used in the previous search and provide a button to expand any given area upon request. Let us choose to view data from all resources or data from one or more of a list of resources. Also, keep those links to images of the original records. People who know what they are looking at won't mistake "Ardelia" for "Kendeld" (this is an actual error I discovered in a transcription). This should bring Beta up to the level of usefulness of Pilot. I'm likely to have more thoughts on the matter, but this is a good start. In the mean time, please don't take Pilot away from us.

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    Beta has a long way to go to equal Pilot in usefulness.
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  • I’m frustrated
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    Why can't I get the same information on this site as the one for just the Texas Death Index thru 1976? I put in father's surname Burson, mother's maiden name Ray, died Texas. On this site it says no results, but on the one I use all the time, and really like, I found Arthur Thadeus Burson born 1883, died 1960. I don't like sites that dump all vital records into one search. I like the Pilot Program for Texas deaths. When I'm looking for a death I want death records.

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    This site not working like Pilot Program.
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  • I’m frustrated
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    Pilot site searches are easier and more complete than Beta. Clicking on the map on the Beta site is missing the hotspot links to drill down to locations. Search results do not include the birth, marriage, death dates in the results list like they do in Pilot which means we have to click forever trying to find the results we hoped to find if we don't know the parent or spouse name. There needs to be a division in the results ... i.e. These match pretty close. Horizontal line ... These have a lower match percentage listed below the line. The search field placements on the Beta site are terrible. Why do we have to scroll up and down the screen to populate the fields? Use the Pilot field placements that on together at the top of the page ... no scrolling required. The "Close, Exact Partial" filters on Pilot are missing on Beta ... This is a ugly miss by the developer. The list can go on but why take the time to list them? Rather, have real users sit with your page developer and use the two search pages side by side in their personal data searches. They'll recommend the Pilot search fields and access - every time - or so have the 10 folks I've asked to do the comparison.



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  • I’m unhappy
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    The pilot search engine that you had previously was much better than the new one. I was able to do a broad search and loklk at amll chunks uusing the selection tabs at rhe top of the page.
    I can not even get the current search engine to find the same records. You suceeding in "improving" a very useful site and making it totally useless.

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    Beta bad, pilot good.
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  • I’m Very SAD
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    Why are you getting rid of the pilot? It is much better than the Beta. On the Beta, I had entered 1921 as the birth year, as per the birth certificate. I ended up with inforamtion prior to the birth, as in a marriage in 1850. I think your pilot program is the best research tool on the internet. I love the ability to go specifically to a certain region in the world. Quite frankly, I am not at all pleased with the Beta search. I have been recommending Family Search for a while but I can't with the Beta search.

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    Why get rid of Beta?.
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  • I’m frustrated
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    This is the second week running that I've gotten an "unable to display page" notice on the betafamilysearch site when I try to browse the record collections. The pilot.familysearch.org site always worked perfectly for me--I wish you could leave it as it.

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    Pilot site worked, beta site doesn't!.
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  • 2
    Absolutely! Systems analysts always are so proud to design systems that increase results. Many of us are trying to limit the results. If you really want to help, design a system that lets us design the desired universe (eg death certificates) then to make inquiry to that limited universe (eg state, county, county etc).
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    The debate seems to be entirely between Pilot and Beta - and yes, so far I prefer Pilot but I accept that it may not have sufficient flexibility to cope with the increasing number of databases coming on line.

    Most of all, what I want to do was managed best in the old family search, where, once in the IGI, I could select a region of the world, and if, e.g. the UK, could then pick the country and county and decide if I wanted baptisms or marriages, or make a blanket search, select my own time frame up to +/- 20 years, or none at all. It was quick and efficient and didn't give me irrelevant results.

    With the FSBeta, the only way to be I need to go to 'browse by location' to be sure of being in the right place, but can then only search a specific dataset. If I do too many searches, eventually the system decides that I want to broaden my search from, say India (frequently used by me) and I am suddenly provided with results from various states of the USA. I don't want them! I would rather be given a 'nil' result than a bunch of totally irrelevant hits.

    On the plus side - thanks for adding updates to dataset availability.
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  • I’m feeling sick about the beta
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    I hate the Beta Site. The search stinks.
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  • I’m sick at heart
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    Aaaaahhhhhggg the "search" on the pilot site is So much easier than the Beta Site. I really think the Beta site search Needs a lot of work. It supplies too much information and too much information you don't need. The PILOT site is so much better. the Beta site really is a pain. I work in a library and use this frequently. I DREAD the beta site. I can get so much more info in the pilot site faster.

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    The beta site search is horrid!.
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  • I’m banging my head aginst a brick corperate wall.
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    The YADA YADA YADA reply I got today.... does anyone really listen?

    We are sorry that you are having problems searching in our Beta site.
    The search experience will be different at the beta site; some search features found on beta are not as fully developed as those on Record Search. Our engineers are working to incorporate the strengths of the Record Search search engine onto the beta site. Meanwhile, as this site is developing, here are a few pointers to get you started.

    Start your search by locality, it is located below the search boxes on the home page. You will then be able to filter by area of the world, country, and collection as well as filter by years and types of records. Once you have narrowed you results, then add the specific data and search.

    You can help shape the way the search engine is developed by clicking the feedback button while on any search results page. The search environment is captured as part of the feedback and sent directly to the engineers.

    We wish you success in your family research. If we can be of further help, please contact us again.
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    Totally agree about needing to improve the search process; what good is 1,000s of hits if only two are on the mark (right time period, location, collection, etc). Ancestry has the same problem - if you're trying to show a paying customer the vastness of your holding great (not really), but if you are trying to FIND relative data, to NARROW the search, don't follow in their footsteps.
    Additionally, more and more collections are being added to (or moved over to) Beta. Of course Pilot useage will shrink, but the STATISTICS will NOT prove anything other than the fact statistics can be manipulated.
    It also took me nearly an hour to post this comment. It kept asking me to login, but wouldn't allow me to. Signed in using another tab, but first tab still didn't see me as signed in. Seems like feedback is not always welcomed.
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    The Pilot search interface and filtering works much better than the Beta one. Why was there a need for change?
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  • I’m disheartened and disappointed
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    Really upset about the beta site for all the reasons stated by others. It's clumsy to use and the search criteria are very poor by comparison with the pilot. The beta site is a retrograde step which is very peculiar. Whatever you do, make sure you consider this very carefully before launching. The pilot site is so much better and it would be a dreadful waste to ditch it. I know I will not use the beta as a resource in future.
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  • 1
    I can only agree with the many comments in support and praise of the Pilot. For all and intents and purposes it is perfect and should be kept. Please forget the Beta.

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    Pilot-yes & Beta-no.
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  • I’m saddened by the loss of my favorite website:pilot.familysearch.org and I'm losing sleep (to get all that I can from pilot before it goes away)Please keep it???
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    Isn't there a way to keep the pilot site up without adding any more records?Just leave it as it is?That way those of us who love pilot can search there first and if we can't find it there,we could go to the beta as well...That would be great!
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    I really hope beta will add ALL the search filters of pilot(place,date,collection,last name,first name,record type,role,event type) With the beta search I have to go through pages of irrelevant records and it just makes me want to give up.I adore pilot and hope that beta will take users comments and suggestions into consideration.I know that many have the same concerns on the message boards of not only the getsatisfaction.com/familysearch website but other genealogy sites as well.
    Thanks for listening.Even if the new site turns out to be a search disaster we still appreciate all the hard work you all do!
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  • I’m frustrated
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    So many comments relate to this very issue! AGREED!
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  • I’m worried the pilot site won't be available!
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    I agree with all those touting the effectiveness of Pilot's search filters. I use them constantly when working with English parish records. On the initial search I ask for a specific surname in a specific county, then filter by date, by type of record, by role (parent or child in a christening, etc). Whenever I try to use the beta site I get frustrated and just go back to the pilot. What will I do if it is suddenly gone!
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  • I’m cautiously thankful
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    I agree. One of the best values in the record search pilot (aside from the genius of the whole indexing program) was the ability to filter any field by content (collection, name/initial, date, event type). It may not make much difference to newbies but it makes a huge difference when a researcher has a pretty good idea of where/who/when they are looking for data and are specifically looking to prove/disprove unsubstantiated information.

    Please reinstate the field filtering.

    Overall, this is great work, a huge improvement on the early incarnations of FamilySearch. Keep it up!
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  • I’m am wishing the beta site would be scrapped and the pilot site would be kept around
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    I am really not happy with the beta site at all. I thought the overall functionality of the pilot site was far, far superior. I have been avoiding using the beta site for months specifically because the beta site lacks everything that made the pilot site great. I would sight specific examples, but it's so much easier to just say that the pilot site is wonderful and the beta site is not. I do not like the beta site at all.
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  • 2
    I so agree, we need pilot back. It was the perfect search engine for the data, was very easy to use, offered such a vast array of means to find the information we sought and was accurate. I have had over a dozen heart attacks and with each one I lose a bit more of my quick thinking and the new site is so hard to use, I can't even find information that I know was there at one time. I am having to rebuild my entire genealogy from scratch as I had a computer crash, and my new computer wouldn't except information from my external drive nor would it work with my old program. Why do people insist on messing up perfection. The Pilot program was the best I have ever used.
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  • I’m frustrated, disappointed
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    I agree completely! The pilot site was way better. Why mess with a good thing? You had the best search site out there! And then you went and messed it up!

    The ability to check a box to narrow the results was a Godsend. You could narrow the results by location, by type of record (BMD, etc.), it was fantastic!

    Please bring it back! Or keep them both and give us a choice.
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  • I’m stopped in my tracks, majorly frustrated
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    I'm with Ruby Tuesday (& everyone else here). PIlot was fantastic. My Family History students were excited -- & I was excited to show them all the great features, far & away best in its class! Those of us who index regularly were happy to show off the results here for others to search.
    **replying to the employees & programmers ... Sure it takes time to engineer all that into Beta -- so WHY roll out Beta before you have that done?? Sorry folks, this is a big thumbs down. When Beta has got all the narrowing features in it, a la Pilot-- then proceed with the roll out. Until then, give us back Pilot the way it was. PLEASE, PLEASE, PRETTY PLEASE!!!
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  • I’m frustrated and disappointed
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    This is not praise. This is a complaint. You did so well with the Beta site. Most importantly, you could narrow down searches. I am absolutely disappointed with the live site. I would like to reiterate what many searchers are saying. Please go back to the pilot or beta searches. PLEASE

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    Give us back the beta search PLEASE.
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  • I’m frustrated
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    The Pilot search engine is vastly superior to any and all forms of the Beta search engine. The inabiliity to include parents' names in Beta makes it nearly worthless. Why can you not replicate the Pilot search engine in Beta?
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  • judy you can search by parents. you just need to use the drop down relationship tab in advance search.
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  • I’m sad
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    The search area is far to basic for me and does not give me the choice I need. If I search for a person in Wiltshire and give two dates, the reuslts inlcude US Census details well after the last date. As well as using this website, I am also teaching those new to family history how to use it, and this will frustrate them more than it does me, so I am sticking to the orignal version until I have to change over.
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  • I’m disappointed and frustrated.
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    I was able to get amazing results by changing filter choices in individual collections in the pilot. The same records cannot be found using the Beta search. Also, the way the information was displayed in the pilot was much easier to check than the current pulldown preview function. Please, please bring back the pilot search - if only for individual collections.
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    I won't rehash the comments others have written, because I pretty much agree with all of them. When comparing other research media ( rootsweb, ancestry, HQ, etc), the filtering of the pilot was vastly superior. HQ needs exact spellings and limited years without browsing. Ancestry does overkill and often isn't even close. My search often involves the name "Homrighausen" and its frustrating when I have to go through 300 names of Hendricks, Henrichs, Henriques, before I get to anything close. The Pilot program solved many of these issues. The Beta interface is ineffective. If I enter an individual, want birth data, then click on the specific database I want to search, I still get a lot of stuff that's unrelated; even if I choose exact matches. I'm currently deciding whether to use FTM 2011 or keep my FTM 16. The reviews there mimic the posts here. The original versions, with whatever flaws they may have had, are vastly superior to the new ones.
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  • I’m frustrated
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    I am not sure if we are all talking about the same thing here but to be honest I think that the blue and white pilot interface was the best ever! I loved looking at all the census records and using the 'negative' button...now with the new search tool information that I used to be able to obtain from the pilot is not even coming up when I use the same search keywords! I so appreciate all the work the indexers do but the new concept does not do it all of the data justice.
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  • I’m frustrated
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    I agree with you. I get very frustrated that I can't narrow my search. When I specify a state I still end up with a lot of stuff I can't use; when can narrow it down enough to find what I really want...
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    FamilySearch
    Would like to be able to search birth records by using parents name.

    Would like to use marriage records using both groom and bride names

    Can not stand thousand of entry and no filters.

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  • I’m frustrated
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    I find this new system not as good as the old one. Is the old style still available???
    A lot of the items are repeated many times and goes more into USA when you are looking for someone in England. At lease in the old system you could pick a town or city and look.

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  • I’m crying
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    Please, please bring back the filters that were in use in the record search pilot site it was soooo much better.
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  • I’m frustrated
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    I personally feel that the new search engine used on the new beta format is more difficult and cumbersome to use.....Also the old pilot vs the beat searches differently, making it far harder to complete the task at hand

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    Please bring back record search pilot. This search engine is too fuzy. I routinely search by exact location and I do not trust this engine to know what I want, so I have to keep entering in the location with all the variations I can think of. I miss being able to limit my search by multiple databases and a lot of other features.

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  • I’m waiting
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    Bring back Record Search. You can do so much more with record search than with the new familysearch.org>.
    Record Search which has been retired: There you could enter first & middle name, last name, father's first and /or last name, spouse's first and/or last name, mother's first and /or last name, events, year range, location AND wheather or not you wanted an exact & close match, an exact match or an exact, close, & partial. Once you click enter you can click on 8 different filters: place, date, collection, gender, first names, record type, role, and event type.
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    New familysearch.org ONLY allows you to enter first name, last name, event, place, from year, to year, and/or relationship. Once you click enter you can click on ONLY one collection at a time to narrow down the search.

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  • I’m upset, frustrated, angry, irritated, distressed
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    Is there any way I can access the old Record Search? I was having wonderful success with it and since it has been shut down, I have made very little progress. The new Beta Search is supposed to contain the same records, but I can't even find records I easily found with Record Search. The search engine is inferior, does not take as much information into account, and is very awkward to use. At first I thought you would surely go back to the Record Search format, but it has been months and you are still using this new tool. Is the old Record Search available anywere online? Is there anyplace else I can go to access the records? Why in the world did you change to an inferior product???

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    I'm upset that the New Beta is inferior to old Record Search.
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    I really liked the old searching format on the pilot record search page. I especially liked that you could do "and filters" searches, a search feature I haven't seen anywhere else. Most databases searches, including labs do "or" searches. I have family that moved around a lot. So I loved that I could type in their name and click on searching in "Virginia, Tennessee & Pennsylvania." I also liked that you could do multiple filters, such as "place: Virginia & Tennessee filter. And record type: 1900 Census & Chicago marriage records 1920." Is it possible to keep that feature on the labs search engine?
    I also liked the layout of the pilot page better, with search results in one column, and the record in the next column.

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  • I rather prefer the search fields on the Pilot vs the Beta, though I like Beta's presentation of search results better. It would be nice to be able to qualify more than one life event in the same search: sesrch for one who was born at such and such a date *and* resided in such and such a place, or something like that. I also like Pilot's ability to narrow search results by several different factors all at once, including gender, collection, and various tine-related factors.

    Please don't leave us with only the Beta. I find that I need to use Pilot and, occasionally, supplement it with Beta.

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    Pilot is generally better than Beta.
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  • I’m frustrated
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    Your beta version was SO much better. I could search for married couples with two last names, or deaths by parents' names. That way I could bypass transcription errors. Searching now is SO limited - as to be almost useless.

    Your preview function - rolling over a name, and getting a preview - was invaluable.

    I don't know why you decided to reduce functionality when you were doing so very, very well before. Who decides to REDUCE functionality? Why would you do that?

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    Why would you *reduce* functionality?.
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    The advanced search abilities from the old pilot site need to be carried over to this site. Namely: Search by parent names, spouse name, birth place/date. The search by location does not appear to be functional. Also need the ability from the old site to filter by multiple criteria, instead of the drill-down methodology in this site.

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    There was nothing wrong with the old way and I find that it was a better way to search and filter. This new way doesn't work for me at all. When I am searching, I don't want to have to search through dozens of files. And why do I have to sign in to get a copy of a death certificate? With the old way, I was able to view a name and see if they had been married, to whom and who their children were. With the new way, that is not possible unless you check each file. By the time the company who made all the changes in the first gets around to deciding what they are going to do, we will all be dead.
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    Why is the pilot so different from the real version? Isn't that the point of a pilot...to "test" or get a feel for the user's experience with your product?
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    The pilot version gave me better results than the new version on historical records. Its harder to narrow my focus. And I usually end up getting results from too many localities. Or with names which are not even similar to the ones I'm searching.

    Looking for my Scottish ancestor brings up hundreds of results in Mexico. Not helpful.
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    I REALLY miss the filters that were at the top allowing you to narrow your search to a few collections, or all surnames starting with one letter, etc. The current version only allows a search on one collection at a time or all collections. I also liked being able to narrow down the selection by 'Role' i.e. principal, mother, or father. It is so much harder to find records now without knowing all parameters because so many other records show up that can't be filtered out. Too many records are returned without the capabilty of filtering and I have to re-enter criteria if I decide I want to look for a spouse instead of a parent.

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    I wish we could have just kept the pilot and improved on that instead of launching something completely new and different. I'm glad familysearch wants to improve and make changes for the better, but I really think the pilot was better. It was much faster searching too....for some reason this new search takes FOREVER! And yes, I miss the old filtering :(
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    Please keep the search pilot because it has the advanced search option. This helps when searching for parents, etc... It would also be nice if there was a sort option such as by name, date, parent, or other.

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    I really love the left module in the pilot that displays all of the names together in one place but it looks like it is going away in the new version of the site... is that right? It allowed me to look at multiple records without having to hit the back button or navigate back to where the list was. Please incorporate it - it is much easier to use that way!

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