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No results in- Search Results from User Submitted Genealogies

I'm seeing inconsistency when from a tree person I Search Records in FamilySearch. Usually at the bottom of the list of Search Results from Historical Records is the section labeled Search Results from User Submitted Genealogies.

Sometime I see the section sometimes I don't- for people who have records in Genealogies section. I can find results if I go to the Search tab- and chose Genealogies.

It's inconsistent when I search from a tree person.

Any explanation?
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    Since most of the files in Genealogies are not sourced (they were uploaded via GEDCOM and few people actually sourced there local files), I do not find them useful.

    But as far as the search routines not working consistently, that is another matter.

    Please provide some examples of searches, by supplying what parameters you are using in your search. This would include screen shots as well as filters that you are applying.

    Note: if you provide a collection filter, such as a census year, the filter will only provide those records found in that collection. It will not provide any results beyond the collection(s) that is being used.

    Places are funky at best with respect to the genealogies. First, that area of FamilySearch has some old and clunky code and that could be impacting the results. The search routine that is used when using Search... Genealogies... may not be the same as Search... Records. But as a user, I don't know.

    Perhaps someone familiar with what search routines are used against Genealogies will be able to fill in the missing information.
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  • Thanks Tom for your response.

    I'm fairly familiar with the limitations of the GEDCOM uploads. I have heard many complain that FS has no way to preserve a copy of "my pedigree"- only the common pedigree. I have been telling people that there is a place- Pedigree Resource File. As I started looking around to see how it works- that's when I noticed the search inconsistencies.

    Joseph Smith Barney- KWNJ-BJ7 is an example. I go to his person page in the tree. I click on search records- family search....

    I get a long list of Historical Records - Utah Deaths, Billions Graves, census etc. scrolling to the bottom it shows there are at least 10 more pages to look at. But there are no "Search Results from User Submitted Genealogies" - image 1

    If you go to Milton Alvin Barney- KWCV-HG6- and his tree person page, click on search records you get the Historical Records and at the bottom is shows 1 Result in "Search Results from User Submitted Genealogies" image 2
    If you click on the link it takes to a Ancestral File submission that show Joseph Smith Barney as Milton's grandfather.... So Joseph Smith Barney does have some records in the Genealogies section. image 3

    If you search specifically in the Genealogies section -image 4, you get a whole list of results for Joseph Smith Barney. image 5

    But again if you search from the Tree Person page- image 6 you get no results (image 1)
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  • I verified the same behavior with a different name. I do not see the logic in what appears. On the other had I do not really use the information in Genealogies or use it minimally so I have never noticed the behavior.
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    Searching from a person's detail page through the FamilySearch Tab must be designed to not include the genealogies section except for some few that sneak in.

    I though at first that it had something to do with the fact the the detail page search fills in birth, death, and marriage information. However, I removed all of that and still did not get any results from the genealogies section.

    If instead, you go to the main search page for historical records and put in just Joseph Smith Barney's name then search, at the bottom of the page you get 3290 results from the genealogies section.

    Likewise, Milton Alvin Barney has one result from the genealogies section searching from his detail page, but 1,336 when just searching from the main search page.

    I have no idea what underlying factors lead to this difference.
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    The only thing that I can think of is that everything involved with the GEDCOM section, including the Genealogies databases, is using older code, perhaps even code from previous systems, even going all the way back to the Ancestral File / IGI CD system.

    Just a thought on the matter -- I really don't know what is involved, other than it appears to be very inconsistent, something that should encourage FS to raise the priority on getting that entire section rewritten and eliminating the problem with the current flawed GEDCOM process.
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  • Searching "User Submitted Genealogies" at the same time as Searching Historical Records can be very useful. The situation re indexing of some Devon parishes is a mess. It turns out that in one or two, the information extracted for the IGI is either the only, or the only indexed (I forget which), version of the data. Now a search of Historical Records should pick up those extracted records. However, where the same event was present both in extracted records and User Submitted Genealogies, then my understanding is that, to avoid duplication, only the User Submitted Genealogies records were kept. Hence there are holes in the Historical Records that are filled by the User Submitted Genealogies.

    It was therefore useful for me to see where possible holes and possible solutions exist - then I could check the Bishops' Transcripts (say). It can, of course, be done by using two screens but it's not something that would normally be done unless you got the prompt that you get from seeing "User Submitted Genealogies" at the same time as Historical Records.
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  • I sent in "case" to Familysearch support- they responded Genealogies are available by searching Records not from a tree person.

    If you want complete/consistent results- then searching from Historical Records is the answer.
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