Please put the 'sources' section back in the main page

Please put the 'sources' section back in the main page, instead of as a separate tab. It is more difficult to use when switching between tabs is required
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    Ron Tanner (FamilySearch.org Product Manager) on September 11th, in the https://getsatisfaction.com/familysea... discussion wrote, Sources: Yes they are on a tab on their own. This is not to diminish their value. Indeed we are trying to surface them more so when looking at a conclusions and the associated sources. We wanted to make it more efficient for users to compare with the data on the vitals. It is very cumbersome to scroll down and then back up. The intent is to open the sources and then click back to the vitals then click back to sources. This is much better than scrolling down and back. I acknowledge that the sources tab needs updating (and the team is working to do so) so that it will not scroll back to the top, but keep the view that it was when you last clicked.

    The person page and other parts of Family Tree interfaces are undergoing changes because of a required technology upgrade. It is requiring a re-write of much of the code. The goal is to be faster and more efficient in bringing only the data needed down to the browser. With these updates we download 2.5 MB less data to provide the page. This is a significant increase in speed. Then we only bring down more data if needed for other tabs. If you don't click it, it will not bring the data down.


    More comments are available in that referenced discussion.

    FamilySearch is a world-wide site and as such, reducing the amount of material that needs to be downloaded will dramatically improve the performance of the site for those remote locations with very slow internet speeds. 2.5 MB is a huge amount of data when a user has only slow internet connections available.. There is still additional work that is ongoing from what I understand, but eventually the results should yield very fast profile page loads.
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    Though there have been some Family Search users that have wanted the sources back at the bottom of the Person page, there are many of us who are happier with them being on a separate tab! We like the faster downloads, and also when the families are large (with many children, and even multiple spouses), the scrolling is VERY onerous!
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    • By legacy trees I'm speaking loosely of the sorts of trees already on file before our collaborative tools were made available. For example, Ancestral File trees available to be searched at https://www.familysearch.org/search/f...

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    • Good morning, Tyler. Yes, that is what I thought you were talking about -- the trees that exist in read-only format in genealogies. That includes those that are currently uploaded via GEDCOM files.
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    'Yes' , please put the "Sources" Section back on the principle "Person/Details" page/screen and not as a separate 'Tab'.

    And, 'No', is NOT just 'some' Users/Patrons want the the "Sources" Section back on the principle "Person/Details" page/screen, its MANY.

    And, I would suggest that MORE Users/Patrons want the "Sources" Section back on the principle "Person/Details" page/screen than those who do not.

    There are MANY User/Patrons who would prefer to "Scroll" down to the "Sources" Section than have it on a separate 'Tab'.

    It is MUCH MORE onerous to have to go to the separate 'Tab', than it is to scroll down.

    It is much more preferable to "Scroll" down and suffer the negligible (ever so slightly slower) down load speed, than to suffer the use of a separate 'Tab'.
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    • That's a valuable perspective. Thanks.

      We'll see what it looks like when it comes. If we can make the site better, we will. Every decision is temporary.
    • Peggy, I have a number of profiles that have a lot of sources (one has more than 30) and a lot of event entries (more than 40 in one case). It takes seven (I counted them) clicks to move down the details page to just the family section.

      I have gotten into the habit of opening the sources in their own tab, so I can bounce between an open source and an open event that I am reviewing or correcting. Clicking once to get to the source and then once to get back to the event is a whole lot simpler than scrolling while looking for the event (if staring from the source) or source (if starting from the event).

      Besides a dramatic increase in performance (not noticeable with high speed internet connections and plenty of local memory) Tyler has announced what he sees happening down the road and the possibility that an option may be offered that combines what is currently details and source tabs into a new combined tab for those who find scrolling easier than the single click actions that I use.

      As Tyler said, "We'll see what it looks like when it comes."
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    1) FS does not load any faster than before
    2) if the change is to reduce data download for slow internet, then make the source tab *an option* - don't force it on everyone
    3) the sources used to be easily visible when clicking on detail in vitals, so I don't understand how opening a separate tab makes it easier to link the sources and vitals
    4) did you test this with people that do lots of research to see if this change is better? I think I know the answer
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    • David, we are working on making the header stay at the top of the screen when you scroll down so that it will be easy to toggle back and forth between the sources tab and the details tab.
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    The problem with the sources being on a separate page is if I'm checking the sources I have to keep going back and forth between the source page and back to the details page to check the source info with what is on the family search details page for that person - it's a pain!
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  • An update, I'm sorry its so long:

    * We are evaluating ways to make the details of a user available in the same view as the source information. This will likely be a separate tab that is designed either for that purpose, or with the ability to customize. This will allow there to be an expensive view that shows "everything" without the common view being as expensive. This might take a moderate amount of time to materialize.

    * In the short-term, we expect to make the header on the sources page "sticky" so that it never scrolls off the screen. This allows you to scroll thru your sources list and keep your place as you toggle between it and the conclusions you are comparing them to. This will give you most of the benefits of a split screen view without needing to know how to split your own screen.

    * The sources are critical to making good choices. Making them part of the edit dialog is a step toward making them impossible to ignore. This approach has been started and despite a rocky start, we think we are on the right track -- but we're not finished. We want more source information to show during the editing of a conclusion. We want the sources to show on more of the conclusions. We've gone as far as our existing support layers can take us for now. Further improvements to this bullet will take some time.

    * Redesigning the details page has resulted in dramatic performance improvements as measured in test results and on user machines, both in America and across the world in the Philippines. We often use the Philippines as a sort of worse case scenario for testing our performance. We have a lot of Church members there that need the site to complete their worship, and it is far from our primary data centers in America. The nearly intolerable latency of the internet between our data centers and the Philippines is a terrible impediment to overcome.

    * Redesigning the details page has also made the tool tolerable on mobile devices. I myself do almost all of my computing on a computer with a nice monitor and pointing device. It's hard for me to imagine doing anything non-trivial on a mobile phone hardly larger than my palm. But, the world is changing. Mobile devices are eating up the digital world -- including our own user base. We expect that it won't be long before most of our users interact with the site almost exclusively via mobile devices and tablets. The old page had been perpetuated right thru this mobile revolution and was ill adapted to these devices. The new page -- imperfect as it is -- is much more usable on a mobile device. This mobile segment is going to only grow in importance for every web property in the world.

    * Separate from the performance improvement, this redesign is allowing us to retire a lot of old code. The teams that maintain Family Tree have chosen to seamlessly integrate new technology into the code base as it has emerged and become necessary. We've done this since moving off of new.familysearch.org. With the rate of change in web development, and the longevity of that code base it has led to a very complex code base. Having to download all of the supporting code for those competing ways of doing things is also part of what made the old page so large and slow. This has been a long time coming. Refreshing the technology stack of an application is invariably necessary, though we hope to limit the noticeable user impact as much as we can. From this perspective, the latest changes to Person Details are really the next chapter in a story that began with our release of a re-written landscape pedigree view last summer. There are pieces of Family Tree still in the old codebase. They have to go for technical and performance reasons. For example, you probably notice a lag as you switch between the person page and the watch list. That slowness is unavoidable so long as we don't retire the old code that is now serving the watch list.

    I hope this update is helpful. Again, I'm sorry it is so long.
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    Yes, thank you very much for the explanation. It really helps to know why things are done as well as what changes being considered. Hopefully someday we will get to the point where every user can decide whether to use a default or customize the items according to their own liking, convenience and computing environment constraints.
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  • The more info on one page, all editable simultaneously (without popups) the better.
    • From the Official Response:

      * Redesigning the details page has resulted in dramatic performance improvements as measured in test results and on user machines, both in America and across the world in the Philippines. We often use the Philippines as a sort of worse case scenario for testing our performance. We have a lot of Church members there that need the site to complete their worship, and it is far from our primary data centers in America. The nearly intolerable latency of the internet between our data centers and the Philippines is a terrible impediment to overcome."
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  • This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Put Sources Back on the Bottom of a Person's Page.

    Please put "sources" back where they used to be located, at the bottom of the person's page. I liked to click on sources when doing a merge, to compare vital information. The internal location for sources, as it exists now, is unhandy in many ways. I see Family Search as a workshop, and I prefer to have my tools handy.
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